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My manager just started allowing smoking cigarettes in the office today because he and another guy like it. I hate it and I'm having trouble breathing. I'm considering walking out this afternoon but I know I'm pretty valuable and my manager's said he'd hate to lose me. Would it be professional to just go home early and email my manager that I'm working from home until there isn't smoke in the office anymore?
I know that this is probably illegal but I don't know how to stop this.
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My manager just started allowing smoking cigarettes in the office today because he and another guy like it. I hate it and I'm having trouble breathing. I'm considering walking out this afternoon but I know I'm pretty valuable and my manager's said he'd hate to lose me. Would it be professional to just go home early and email my manager that I'm working from home until there isn't smoke in the office anymore?
I know that this is probably illegal but I don't know how to stop this.
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nj.gov/health/fhs/tobacco/regulations
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ALso, fda.gov/tobacco-products/compliance-enforcement-training/…
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My manager just started allowing smoking cigarettes in the office today because he and another guy like it. I hate it and I'm having trouble breathing. I'm considering walking out this afternoon but I know I'm pretty valuable and my manager's said he'd hate to lose me. Would it be professional to just go home early and email my manager that I'm working from home until there isn't smoke in the office anymore?
I know that this is probably illegal but I don't know how to stop this.
management negotiation health new-jersey
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My manager just started allowing smoking cigarettes in the office today because he and another guy like it. I hate it and I'm having trouble breathing. I'm considering walking out this afternoon but I know I'm pretty valuable and my manager's said he'd hate to lose me. Would it be professional to just go home early and email my manager that I'm working from home until there isn't smoke in the office anymore?
I know that this is probably illegal but I don't know how to stop this.
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nj.gov/health/fhs/tobacco/regulations
– Mister Positive♦
9 hours ago
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ALso, fda.gov/tobacco-products/compliance-enforcement-training/…
– dwizum
9 hours ago
add a comment |
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nj.gov/health/fhs/tobacco/regulations
– Mister Positive♦
9 hours ago
1
ALso, fda.gov/tobacco-products/compliance-enforcement-training/…
– dwizum
9 hours ago
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nj.gov/health/fhs/tobacco/regulations
– Mister Positive♦
9 hours ago
nj.gov/health/fhs/tobacco/regulations
– Mister Positive♦
9 hours ago
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1
ALso, fda.gov/tobacco-products/compliance-enforcement-training/…
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ALso, fda.gov/tobacco-products/compliance-enforcement-training/…
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Be careful of ultimatums
You have every right to want a smoke-free work environment and are entitled to one by law. In your shoes I would consider quitting myself. However, if you want to actually give them a chance to fix the problem you are simply more likely to achieve your goal by not making demands.
{Boss},
I had to leave early today because the smoke was bothering me. I would also like to request that you discontinue smoking in the office as it is a serious health concern and not something I would like exposed to.
The e-mail is a good idea because it leaves a "paper trail". If your boss doesn't comply then ramp it up. Send a stronger e-mail citing the sources Mister Positive and dwizum added in the comments.
According to {sources}, it is very much illegal to smoke in the workplace. If it is going to continue then I am not going to put my health at risk by coming in to work. I hope you can do the right thing here.
Don't threaten lawsuits or regulatory committees unless you are prepared to quit. I know I would be but you need to make that choice.
2
Yes, I did not mean add them to the email, but to keep as part of the proof for later.
– Solar Mike
9 hours ago
2
I think in this case an ultimatum is a good idea. Second hand smoking is a real health risk. Smoking affects people differently and what is considered light smoking to one could be devastating to another. COPD and lung cancer aren't joking subjects and can develop even with light exposure to smoke.
– Dan
8 hours ago
3
A phrase I have found useful to signal that I would leave over this without actually saying it is deal-breaker. As in, "I'm sorry, but I'm allergic to cigarette smoke so smoking in the office is a deal-breaker for me" (followed by "can we address this?" or similar).
– Monica Cellio♦
6 hours ago
3
@MonicaCellio No need to lie. 99% are not allergic to smoke, they just find it disgusting, filthy and unhealthy. "I'm sorry, but smoke in the office is disgusting, filthy and unhealthy. And illegal on top."
– gnasher729
5 hours ago
2
@gnasher729 I actually have the diagnosis; smoking in enclosed public places (like restaurants) used to be not only legal but common, which is how I found out. :-( If you don't actually have an allergy you can still be, and report being, sensitive to it. In a workplace situation I have some allergies and some sensitivities; both are equally problematic for sustained exposure, so it doesn't much matter what the formal designation is -- if we can't fix it I'm not going to work in that location.
– Monica Cellio♦
5 hours ago
|
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You tagged your location as New Jersey. To be clear, what your employer is doing is very much illegal. Here are some references:
https://www.fda.gov/tobacco-products/compliance-enforcement-training/report-potential-tobacco-product-violation
https://www.nj.gov/health/fhs/tobacco/regulations/
You said,
I know that this is probably illegal but I don't know how to stop this.
Regardless of you quitting or not, your boss faces serious legal trouble and exposes himself to lawsuits for enacting this policy. If you're comfortable expressing that to your boss, you should do so. If you're not comfortable or he retaliates, it would make sense to no longer go to work, report him to the proper authorities, and call a lawyer.
IANL but I suspect that not turning up to work due to an ongoing health issue, which is exasperated by a literally toxic work environment, which the employer is doing nothing to rectify seems completely legal to me. It is upto the employer to create an environment which is safe for the employee to work in. Not only would you be clear, but your employer would need to continue to pay your salary until he rectifies the work environment, which could be much more costly than just stopping the smoking.
– Aron
1 hour ago
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Inform your manager that due to the "Smoke-Free Air Act of 2006" his actions are illegal.
Politely request he bring the office air quality up to code.
(I am not a Lawyer, this is not legal advice.)
They probably don't know it's illegal and tipping them off to that too soon may make it harder to get a paper trail should the OP need one.
– David Schwartz
1 hour ago
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Be careful of ultimatums
You have every right to want a smoke-free work environment and are entitled to one by law. In your shoes I would consider quitting myself. However, if you want to actually give them a chance to fix the problem you are simply more likely to achieve your goal by not making demands.
{Boss},
I had to leave early today because the smoke was bothering me. I would also like to request that you discontinue smoking in the office as it is a serious health concern and not something I would like exposed to.
The e-mail is a good idea because it leaves a "paper trail". If your boss doesn't comply then ramp it up. Send a stronger e-mail citing the sources Mister Positive and dwizum added in the comments.
According to {sources}, it is very much illegal to smoke in the workplace. If it is going to continue then I am not going to put my health at risk by coming in to work. I hope you can do the right thing here.
Don't threaten lawsuits or regulatory committees unless you are prepared to quit. I know I would be but you need to make that choice.
2
Yes, I did not mean add them to the email, but to keep as part of the proof for later.
– Solar Mike
9 hours ago
2
I think in this case an ultimatum is a good idea. Second hand smoking is a real health risk. Smoking affects people differently and what is considered light smoking to one could be devastating to another. COPD and lung cancer aren't joking subjects and can develop even with light exposure to smoke.
– Dan
8 hours ago
3
A phrase I have found useful to signal that I would leave over this without actually saying it is deal-breaker. As in, "I'm sorry, but I'm allergic to cigarette smoke so smoking in the office is a deal-breaker for me" (followed by "can we address this?" or similar).
– Monica Cellio♦
6 hours ago
3
@MonicaCellio No need to lie. 99% are not allergic to smoke, they just find it disgusting, filthy and unhealthy. "I'm sorry, but smoke in the office is disgusting, filthy and unhealthy. And illegal on top."
– gnasher729
5 hours ago
2
@gnasher729 I actually have the diagnosis; smoking in enclosed public places (like restaurants) used to be not only legal but common, which is how I found out. :-( If you don't actually have an allergy you can still be, and report being, sensitive to it. In a workplace situation I have some allergies and some sensitivities; both are equally problematic for sustained exposure, so it doesn't much matter what the formal designation is -- if we can't fix it I'm not going to work in that location.
– Monica Cellio♦
5 hours ago
|
show 3 more comments
Be careful of ultimatums
You have every right to want a smoke-free work environment and are entitled to one by law. In your shoes I would consider quitting myself. However, if you want to actually give them a chance to fix the problem you are simply more likely to achieve your goal by not making demands.
{Boss},
I had to leave early today because the smoke was bothering me. I would also like to request that you discontinue smoking in the office as it is a serious health concern and not something I would like exposed to.
The e-mail is a good idea because it leaves a "paper trail". If your boss doesn't comply then ramp it up. Send a stronger e-mail citing the sources Mister Positive and dwizum added in the comments.
According to {sources}, it is very much illegal to smoke in the workplace. If it is going to continue then I am not going to put my health at risk by coming in to work. I hope you can do the right thing here.
Don't threaten lawsuits or regulatory committees unless you are prepared to quit. I know I would be but you need to make that choice.
2
Yes, I did not mean add them to the email, but to keep as part of the proof for later.
– Solar Mike
9 hours ago
2
I think in this case an ultimatum is a good idea. Second hand smoking is a real health risk. Smoking affects people differently and what is considered light smoking to one could be devastating to another. COPD and lung cancer aren't joking subjects and can develop even with light exposure to smoke.
– Dan
8 hours ago
3
A phrase I have found useful to signal that I would leave over this without actually saying it is deal-breaker. As in, "I'm sorry, but I'm allergic to cigarette smoke so smoking in the office is a deal-breaker for me" (followed by "can we address this?" or similar).
– Monica Cellio♦
6 hours ago
3
@MonicaCellio No need to lie. 99% are not allergic to smoke, they just find it disgusting, filthy and unhealthy. "I'm sorry, but smoke in the office is disgusting, filthy and unhealthy. And illegal on top."
– gnasher729
5 hours ago
2
@gnasher729 I actually have the diagnosis; smoking in enclosed public places (like restaurants) used to be not only legal but common, which is how I found out. :-( If you don't actually have an allergy you can still be, and report being, sensitive to it. In a workplace situation I have some allergies and some sensitivities; both are equally problematic for sustained exposure, so it doesn't much matter what the formal designation is -- if we can't fix it I'm not going to work in that location.
– Monica Cellio♦
5 hours ago
|
show 3 more comments
Be careful of ultimatums
You have every right to want a smoke-free work environment and are entitled to one by law. In your shoes I would consider quitting myself. However, if you want to actually give them a chance to fix the problem you are simply more likely to achieve your goal by not making demands.
{Boss},
I had to leave early today because the smoke was bothering me. I would also like to request that you discontinue smoking in the office as it is a serious health concern and not something I would like exposed to.
The e-mail is a good idea because it leaves a "paper trail". If your boss doesn't comply then ramp it up. Send a stronger e-mail citing the sources Mister Positive and dwizum added in the comments.
According to {sources}, it is very much illegal to smoke in the workplace. If it is going to continue then I am not going to put my health at risk by coming in to work. I hope you can do the right thing here.
Don't threaten lawsuits or regulatory committees unless you are prepared to quit. I know I would be but you need to make that choice.
Be careful of ultimatums
You have every right to want a smoke-free work environment and are entitled to one by law. In your shoes I would consider quitting myself. However, if you want to actually give them a chance to fix the problem you are simply more likely to achieve your goal by not making demands.
{Boss},
I had to leave early today because the smoke was bothering me. I would also like to request that you discontinue smoking in the office as it is a serious health concern and not something I would like exposed to.
The e-mail is a good idea because it leaves a "paper trail". If your boss doesn't comply then ramp it up. Send a stronger e-mail citing the sources Mister Positive and dwizum added in the comments.
According to {sources}, it is very much illegal to smoke in the workplace. If it is going to continue then I am not going to put my health at risk by coming in to work. I hope you can do the right thing here.
Don't threaten lawsuits or regulatory committees unless you are prepared to quit. I know I would be but you need to make that choice.
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answered 9 hours ago
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Yes, I did not mean add them to the email, but to keep as part of the proof for later.
– Solar Mike
9 hours ago
2
I think in this case an ultimatum is a good idea. Second hand smoking is a real health risk. Smoking affects people differently and what is considered light smoking to one could be devastating to another. COPD and lung cancer aren't joking subjects and can develop even with light exposure to smoke.
– Dan
8 hours ago
3
A phrase I have found useful to signal that I would leave over this without actually saying it is deal-breaker. As in, "I'm sorry, but I'm allergic to cigarette smoke so smoking in the office is a deal-breaker for me" (followed by "can we address this?" or similar).
– Monica Cellio♦
6 hours ago
3
@MonicaCellio No need to lie. 99% are not allergic to smoke, they just find it disgusting, filthy and unhealthy. "I'm sorry, but smoke in the office is disgusting, filthy and unhealthy. And illegal on top."
– gnasher729
5 hours ago
2
@gnasher729 I actually have the diagnosis; smoking in enclosed public places (like restaurants) used to be not only legal but common, which is how I found out. :-( If you don't actually have an allergy you can still be, and report being, sensitive to it. In a workplace situation I have some allergies and some sensitivities; both are equally problematic for sustained exposure, so it doesn't much matter what the formal designation is -- if we can't fix it I'm not going to work in that location.
– Monica Cellio♦
5 hours ago
|
show 3 more comments
2
Yes, I did not mean add them to the email, but to keep as part of the proof for later.
– Solar Mike
9 hours ago
2
I think in this case an ultimatum is a good idea. Second hand smoking is a real health risk. Smoking affects people differently and what is considered light smoking to one could be devastating to another. COPD and lung cancer aren't joking subjects and can develop even with light exposure to smoke.
– Dan
8 hours ago
3
A phrase I have found useful to signal that I would leave over this without actually saying it is deal-breaker. As in, "I'm sorry, but I'm allergic to cigarette smoke so smoking in the office is a deal-breaker for me" (followed by "can we address this?" or similar).
– Monica Cellio♦
6 hours ago
3
@MonicaCellio No need to lie. 99% are not allergic to smoke, they just find it disgusting, filthy and unhealthy. "I'm sorry, but smoke in the office is disgusting, filthy and unhealthy. And illegal on top."
– gnasher729
5 hours ago
2
@gnasher729 I actually have the diagnosis; smoking in enclosed public places (like restaurants) used to be not only legal but common, which is how I found out. :-( If you don't actually have an allergy you can still be, and report being, sensitive to it. In a workplace situation I have some allergies and some sensitivities; both are equally problematic for sustained exposure, so it doesn't much matter what the formal designation is -- if we can't fix it I'm not going to work in that location.
– Monica Cellio♦
5 hours ago
2
2
Yes, I did not mean add them to the email, but to keep as part of the proof for later.
– Solar Mike
9 hours ago
Yes, I did not mean add them to the email, but to keep as part of the proof for later.
– Solar Mike
9 hours ago
2
2
I think in this case an ultimatum is a good idea. Second hand smoking is a real health risk. Smoking affects people differently and what is considered light smoking to one could be devastating to another. COPD and lung cancer aren't joking subjects and can develop even with light exposure to smoke.
– Dan
8 hours ago
I think in this case an ultimatum is a good idea. Second hand smoking is a real health risk. Smoking affects people differently and what is considered light smoking to one could be devastating to another. COPD and lung cancer aren't joking subjects and can develop even with light exposure to smoke.
– Dan
8 hours ago
3
3
A phrase I have found useful to signal that I would leave over this without actually saying it is deal-breaker. As in, "I'm sorry, but I'm allergic to cigarette smoke so smoking in the office is a deal-breaker for me" (followed by "can we address this?" or similar).
– Monica Cellio♦
6 hours ago
A phrase I have found useful to signal that I would leave over this without actually saying it is deal-breaker. As in, "I'm sorry, but I'm allergic to cigarette smoke so smoking in the office is a deal-breaker for me" (followed by "can we address this?" or similar).
– Monica Cellio♦
6 hours ago
3
3
@MonicaCellio No need to lie. 99% are not allergic to smoke, they just find it disgusting, filthy and unhealthy. "I'm sorry, but smoke in the office is disgusting, filthy and unhealthy. And illegal on top."
– gnasher729
5 hours ago
@MonicaCellio No need to lie. 99% are not allergic to smoke, they just find it disgusting, filthy and unhealthy. "I'm sorry, but smoke in the office is disgusting, filthy and unhealthy. And illegal on top."
– gnasher729
5 hours ago
2
2
@gnasher729 I actually have the diagnosis; smoking in enclosed public places (like restaurants) used to be not only legal but common, which is how I found out. :-( If you don't actually have an allergy you can still be, and report being, sensitive to it. In a workplace situation I have some allergies and some sensitivities; both are equally problematic for sustained exposure, so it doesn't much matter what the formal designation is -- if we can't fix it I'm not going to work in that location.
– Monica Cellio♦
5 hours ago
@gnasher729 I actually have the diagnosis; smoking in enclosed public places (like restaurants) used to be not only legal but common, which is how I found out. :-( If you don't actually have an allergy you can still be, and report being, sensitive to it. In a workplace situation I have some allergies and some sensitivities; both are equally problematic for sustained exposure, so it doesn't much matter what the formal designation is -- if we can't fix it I'm not going to work in that location.
– Monica Cellio♦
5 hours ago
|
show 3 more comments
You tagged your location as New Jersey. To be clear, what your employer is doing is very much illegal. Here are some references:
https://www.fda.gov/tobacco-products/compliance-enforcement-training/report-potential-tobacco-product-violation
https://www.nj.gov/health/fhs/tobacco/regulations/
You said,
I know that this is probably illegal but I don't know how to stop this.
Regardless of you quitting or not, your boss faces serious legal trouble and exposes himself to lawsuits for enacting this policy. If you're comfortable expressing that to your boss, you should do so. If you're not comfortable or he retaliates, it would make sense to no longer go to work, report him to the proper authorities, and call a lawyer.
IANL but I suspect that not turning up to work due to an ongoing health issue, which is exasperated by a literally toxic work environment, which the employer is doing nothing to rectify seems completely legal to me. It is upto the employer to create an environment which is safe for the employee to work in. Not only would you be clear, but your employer would need to continue to pay your salary until he rectifies the work environment, which could be much more costly than just stopping the smoking.
– Aron
1 hour ago
add a comment |
You tagged your location as New Jersey. To be clear, what your employer is doing is very much illegal. Here are some references:
https://www.fda.gov/tobacco-products/compliance-enforcement-training/report-potential-tobacco-product-violation
https://www.nj.gov/health/fhs/tobacco/regulations/
You said,
I know that this is probably illegal but I don't know how to stop this.
Regardless of you quitting or not, your boss faces serious legal trouble and exposes himself to lawsuits for enacting this policy. If you're comfortable expressing that to your boss, you should do so. If you're not comfortable or he retaliates, it would make sense to no longer go to work, report him to the proper authorities, and call a lawyer.
IANL but I suspect that not turning up to work due to an ongoing health issue, which is exasperated by a literally toxic work environment, which the employer is doing nothing to rectify seems completely legal to me. It is upto the employer to create an environment which is safe for the employee to work in. Not only would you be clear, but your employer would need to continue to pay your salary until he rectifies the work environment, which could be much more costly than just stopping the smoking.
– Aron
1 hour ago
add a comment |
You tagged your location as New Jersey. To be clear, what your employer is doing is very much illegal. Here are some references:
https://www.fda.gov/tobacco-products/compliance-enforcement-training/report-potential-tobacco-product-violation
https://www.nj.gov/health/fhs/tobacco/regulations/
You said,
I know that this is probably illegal but I don't know how to stop this.
Regardless of you quitting or not, your boss faces serious legal trouble and exposes himself to lawsuits for enacting this policy. If you're comfortable expressing that to your boss, you should do so. If you're not comfortable or he retaliates, it would make sense to no longer go to work, report him to the proper authorities, and call a lawyer.
You tagged your location as New Jersey. To be clear, what your employer is doing is very much illegal. Here are some references:
https://www.fda.gov/tobacco-products/compliance-enforcement-training/report-potential-tobacco-product-violation
https://www.nj.gov/health/fhs/tobacco/regulations/
You said,
I know that this is probably illegal but I don't know how to stop this.
Regardless of you quitting or not, your boss faces serious legal trouble and exposes himself to lawsuits for enacting this policy. If you're comfortable expressing that to your boss, you should do so. If you're not comfortable or he retaliates, it would make sense to no longer go to work, report him to the proper authorities, and call a lawyer.
answered 9 hours ago
dwizumdwizum
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24.6k104783
IANL but I suspect that not turning up to work due to an ongoing health issue, which is exasperated by a literally toxic work environment, which the employer is doing nothing to rectify seems completely legal to me. It is upto the employer to create an environment which is safe for the employee to work in. Not only would you be clear, but your employer would need to continue to pay your salary until he rectifies the work environment, which could be much more costly than just stopping the smoking.
– Aron
1 hour ago
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IANL but I suspect that not turning up to work due to an ongoing health issue, which is exasperated by a literally toxic work environment, which the employer is doing nothing to rectify seems completely legal to me. It is upto the employer to create an environment which is safe for the employee to work in. Not only would you be clear, but your employer would need to continue to pay your salary until he rectifies the work environment, which could be much more costly than just stopping the smoking.
– Aron
1 hour ago
IANL but I suspect that not turning up to work due to an ongoing health issue, which is exasperated by a literally toxic work environment, which the employer is doing nothing to rectify seems completely legal to me. It is upto the employer to create an environment which is safe for the employee to work in. Not only would you be clear, but your employer would need to continue to pay your salary until he rectifies the work environment, which could be much more costly than just stopping the smoking.
– Aron
1 hour ago
IANL but I suspect that not turning up to work due to an ongoing health issue, which is exasperated by a literally toxic work environment, which the employer is doing nothing to rectify seems completely legal to me. It is upto the employer to create an environment which is safe for the employee to work in. Not only would you be clear, but your employer would need to continue to pay your salary until he rectifies the work environment, which could be much more costly than just stopping the smoking.
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Inform your manager that due to the "Smoke-Free Air Act of 2006" his actions are illegal.
Politely request he bring the office air quality up to code.
(I am not a Lawyer, this is not legal advice.)
They probably don't know it's illegal and tipping them off to that too soon may make it harder to get a paper trail should the OP need one.
– David Schwartz
1 hour ago
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Inform your manager that due to the "Smoke-Free Air Act of 2006" his actions are illegal.
Politely request he bring the office air quality up to code.
(I am not a Lawyer, this is not legal advice.)
They probably don't know it's illegal and tipping them off to that too soon may make it harder to get a paper trail should the OP need one.
– David Schwartz
1 hour ago
add a comment |
Inform your manager that due to the "Smoke-Free Air Act of 2006" his actions are illegal.
Politely request he bring the office air quality up to code.
(I am not a Lawyer, this is not legal advice.)
Inform your manager that due to the "Smoke-Free Air Act of 2006" his actions are illegal.
Politely request he bring the office air quality up to code.
(I am not a Lawyer, this is not legal advice.)
answered 9 hours ago
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They probably don't know it's illegal and tipping them off to that too soon may make it harder to get a paper trail should the OP need one.
– David Schwartz
1 hour ago
add a comment |
They probably don't know it's illegal and tipping them off to that too soon may make it harder to get a paper trail should the OP need one.
– David Schwartz
1 hour ago
They probably don't know it's illegal and tipping them off to that too soon may make it harder to get a paper trail should the OP need one.
– David Schwartz
1 hour ago
They probably don't know it's illegal and tipping them off to that too soon may make it harder to get a paper trail should the OP need one.
– David Schwartz
1 hour ago
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nj.gov/health/fhs/tobacco/regulations
– Mister Positive♦
9 hours ago
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ALso, fda.gov/tobacco-products/compliance-enforcement-training/…
– dwizum
9 hours ago