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I am thinking about having an electric vehicle supply equipment (EVSE) installed.
In the interest of future proofing for an electric pickup truck coming on the market about a year from now, i would like to have 1 AWG wire installed for 100 amps @ 240 Volts (residential).
But my EVSE today is only supposed to draw 32 amps @ 240 Volts, so would it be safe to have wiring installed that is intended for up to 100 amps, and use a 40 amp breaker today incase the current 32 amp evse decides to malfunction, the smaller circuit breaker would trip at 40 amps, and switch out the breaker to 100 amps when the time comes ?
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I am thinking about having an electric vehicle supply equipment (EVSE) installed.
In the interest of future proofing for an electric pickup truck coming on the market about a year from now, i would like to have 1 AWG wire installed for 100 amps @ 240 Volts (residential).
But my EVSE today is only supposed to draw 32 amps @ 240 Volts, so would it be safe to have wiring installed that is intended for up to 100 amps, and use a 40 amp breaker today incase the current 32 amp evse decides to malfunction, the smaller circuit breaker would trip at 40 amps, and switch out the breaker to 100 amps when the time comes ?
Thank You.
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I am thinking about having an electric vehicle supply equipment (EVSE) installed.
In the interest of future proofing for an electric pickup truck coming on the market about a year from now, i would like to have 1 AWG wire installed for 100 amps @ 240 Volts (residential).
But my EVSE today is only supposed to draw 32 amps @ 240 Volts, so would it be safe to have wiring installed that is intended for up to 100 amps, and use a 40 amp breaker today incase the current 32 amp evse decides to malfunction, the smaller circuit breaker would trip at 40 amps, and switch out the breaker to 100 amps when the time comes ?
Thank You.
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I am thinking about having an electric vehicle supply equipment (EVSE) installed.
In the interest of future proofing for an electric pickup truck coming on the market about a year from now, i would like to have 1 AWG wire installed for 100 amps @ 240 Volts (residential).
But my EVSE today is only supposed to draw 32 amps @ 240 Volts, so would it be safe to have wiring installed that is intended for up to 100 amps, and use a 40 amp breaker today incase the current 32 amp evse decides to malfunction, the smaller circuit breaker would trip at 40 amps, and switch out the breaker to 100 amps when the time comes ?
Thank You.
electrical wiring electric-vehicle
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Sure, you can always upsize the wire.
However, a dramatic upsize introduces two complications.
- the much-larger wire will not fit on the device. It will need to be pigtailed to a suitably sized wire, such as a 6 AWG.
When dealing with #1 wire, it's not as simple as using a giant orange wire-nut the size of a salt shaker. You have to use a connector such as a Polaris, which is an insulated lug terminal. You could also use uninsulated lug terminals or split bolts, if you don't mind lashing it under unbelievable amounts of electrical tape. You do need to insulate neutrals.
- You are probably dealing with aluminum wire (I hope)
Generally all terminations sized for #1 wire are aluminum friendly; why wouldn't they, since aluminum is normal and expected at these sizes. You just have to take care to use terminations rated for aluminum; a Polaris is fine, however I would not use a split bolt unless the smaller wire is also aluminum. Aluminum is fine to use at these sizes.
But yes, definitely lay the heavier wire. The only case where I wouldn't is if the wire was in conduit, and the run is very short. In that case, the pigtail adapters for the larger wire might be more expensive than just doing the whole run in the smaller wire. It could be changed for the larger wire later.
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You can run larger cable and use a smaller breaker but not the other way around. If your planning on 1 AWG for 100 Amps then you're talking about aluminum cable. You'll have to pigtail at both ends to a 8 AWG because the 1 AWG won't fit in the 40 Amp breaker or receptacle. That future 100 Amp load could be a strain on your panel so check into that along with your other planning.
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Yes, having larger wire is always fine. Depending what size wire the terminals on the 40 amp breaker are listed for you might need a pigtail of wire that fits that breaker connected to your 1 AWG, but that's a common problem with a straightforward solution. You should consider using aluminum wire for a run this big, if you are presently looking at copper.
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Sure, you can always upsize the wire.
However, a dramatic upsize introduces two complications.
- the much-larger wire will not fit on the device. It will need to be pigtailed to a suitably sized wire, such as a 6 AWG.
When dealing with #1 wire, it's not as simple as using a giant orange wire-nut the size of a salt shaker. You have to use a connector such as a Polaris, which is an insulated lug terminal. You could also use uninsulated lug terminals or split bolts, if you don't mind lashing it under unbelievable amounts of electrical tape. You do need to insulate neutrals.
- You are probably dealing with aluminum wire (I hope)
Generally all terminations sized for #1 wire are aluminum friendly; why wouldn't they, since aluminum is normal and expected at these sizes. You just have to take care to use terminations rated for aluminum; a Polaris is fine, however I would not use a split bolt unless the smaller wire is also aluminum. Aluminum is fine to use at these sizes.
But yes, definitely lay the heavier wire. The only case where I wouldn't is if the wire was in conduit, and the run is very short. In that case, the pigtail adapters for the larger wire might be more expensive than just doing the whole run in the smaller wire. It could be changed for the larger wire later.
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Sure, you can always upsize the wire.
However, a dramatic upsize introduces two complications.
- the much-larger wire will not fit on the device. It will need to be pigtailed to a suitably sized wire, such as a 6 AWG.
When dealing with #1 wire, it's not as simple as using a giant orange wire-nut the size of a salt shaker. You have to use a connector such as a Polaris, which is an insulated lug terminal. You could also use uninsulated lug terminals or split bolts, if you don't mind lashing it under unbelievable amounts of electrical tape. You do need to insulate neutrals.
- You are probably dealing with aluminum wire (I hope)
Generally all terminations sized for #1 wire are aluminum friendly; why wouldn't they, since aluminum is normal and expected at these sizes. You just have to take care to use terminations rated for aluminum; a Polaris is fine, however I would not use a split bolt unless the smaller wire is also aluminum. Aluminum is fine to use at these sizes.
But yes, definitely lay the heavier wire. The only case where I wouldn't is if the wire was in conduit, and the run is very short. In that case, the pigtail adapters for the larger wire might be more expensive than just doing the whole run in the smaller wire. It could be changed for the larger wire later.
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Sure, you can always upsize the wire.
However, a dramatic upsize introduces two complications.
- the much-larger wire will not fit on the device. It will need to be pigtailed to a suitably sized wire, such as a 6 AWG.
When dealing with #1 wire, it's not as simple as using a giant orange wire-nut the size of a salt shaker. You have to use a connector such as a Polaris, which is an insulated lug terminal. You could also use uninsulated lug terminals or split bolts, if you don't mind lashing it under unbelievable amounts of electrical tape. You do need to insulate neutrals.
- You are probably dealing with aluminum wire (I hope)
Generally all terminations sized for #1 wire are aluminum friendly; why wouldn't they, since aluminum is normal and expected at these sizes. You just have to take care to use terminations rated for aluminum; a Polaris is fine, however I would not use a split bolt unless the smaller wire is also aluminum. Aluminum is fine to use at these sizes.
But yes, definitely lay the heavier wire. The only case where I wouldn't is if the wire was in conduit, and the run is very short. In that case, the pigtail adapters for the larger wire might be more expensive than just doing the whole run in the smaller wire. It could be changed for the larger wire later.
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Sure, you can always upsize the wire.
However, a dramatic upsize introduces two complications.
- the much-larger wire will not fit on the device. It will need to be pigtailed to a suitably sized wire, such as a 6 AWG.
When dealing with #1 wire, it's not as simple as using a giant orange wire-nut the size of a salt shaker. You have to use a connector such as a Polaris, which is an insulated lug terminal. You could also use uninsulated lug terminals or split bolts, if you don't mind lashing it under unbelievable amounts of electrical tape. You do need to insulate neutrals.
- You are probably dealing with aluminum wire (I hope)
Generally all terminations sized for #1 wire are aluminum friendly; why wouldn't they, since aluminum is normal and expected at these sizes. You just have to take care to use terminations rated for aluminum; a Polaris is fine, however I would not use a split bolt unless the smaller wire is also aluminum. Aluminum is fine to use at these sizes.
But yes, definitely lay the heavier wire. The only case where I wouldn't is if the wire was in conduit, and the run is very short. In that case, the pigtail adapters for the larger wire might be more expensive than just doing the whole run in the smaller wire. It could be changed for the larger wire later.
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You can run larger cable and use a smaller breaker but not the other way around. If your planning on 1 AWG for 100 Amps then you're talking about aluminum cable. You'll have to pigtail at both ends to a 8 AWG because the 1 AWG won't fit in the 40 Amp breaker or receptacle. That future 100 Amp load could be a strain on your panel so check into that along with your other planning.
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You can run larger cable and use a smaller breaker but not the other way around. If your planning on 1 AWG for 100 Amps then you're talking about aluminum cable. You'll have to pigtail at both ends to a 8 AWG because the 1 AWG won't fit in the 40 Amp breaker or receptacle. That future 100 Amp load could be a strain on your panel so check into that along with your other planning.
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You can run larger cable and use a smaller breaker but not the other way around. If your planning on 1 AWG for 100 Amps then you're talking about aluminum cable. You'll have to pigtail at both ends to a 8 AWG because the 1 AWG won't fit in the 40 Amp breaker or receptacle. That future 100 Amp load could be a strain on your panel so check into that along with your other planning.
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You can run larger cable and use a smaller breaker but not the other way around. If your planning on 1 AWG for 100 Amps then you're talking about aluminum cable. You'll have to pigtail at both ends to a 8 AWG because the 1 AWG won't fit in the 40 Amp breaker or receptacle. That future 100 Amp load could be a strain on your panel so check into that along with your other planning.
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Yes, having larger wire is always fine. Depending what size wire the terminals on the 40 amp breaker are listed for you might need a pigtail of wire that fits that breaker connected to your 1 AWG, but that's a common problem with a straightforward solution. You should consider using aluminum wire for a run this big, if you are presently looking at copper.
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Yes, having larger wire is always fine. Depending what size wire the terminals on the 40 amp breaker are listed for you might need a pigtail of wire that fits that breaker connected to your 1 AWG, but that's a common problem with a straightforward solution. You should consider using aluminum wire for a run this big, if you are presently looking at copper.
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Yes, having larger wire is always fine. Depending what size wire the terminals on the 40 amp breaker are listed for you might need a pigtail of wire that fits that breaker connected to your 1 AWG, but that's a common problem with a straightforward solution. You should consider using aluminum wire for a run this big, if you are presently looking at copper.
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Yes, having larger wire is always fine. Depending what size wire the terminals on the 40 amp breaker are listed for you might need a pigtail of wire that fits that breaker connected to your 1 AWG, but that's a common problem with a straightforward solution. You should consider using aluminum wire for a run this big, if you are presently looking at copper.
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