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I'm trying to write some science fiction where they've had nuclear fusion working for quite sometime, interplanetary travel is no problem, and they're debating making the next step to a radical new, more efficient energy solution to run their space stations. What would that solution be? Antimatter reactors?
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I'm trying to write some science fiction where they've had nuclear fusion working for quite sometime, interplanetary travel is no problem, and they're debating making the next step to a radical new, more efficient energy solution to run their space stations. What would that solution be? Antimatter reactors?
energy nuclear-physics fusion nuclear-engineering
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Nobody knows what is likely to be next - the advantage of science fiction is you could possibly be right. However, if you say things are not possible then you are likely to be wrong... Someone said once that no-one would need more than 256K of ram...
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– Solar Mike
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Next big thing would be getting rid of all the nuclear waste (contrary to popular believe, fusion produces quite a big, due to neutron capture of the steel hull of the reactor).
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– lalala
8 hours ago
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The steel in the reactor isn't really that big, and waste disposal for a decommissioned spaceship reactor could just be dumping the thing in some useless orbit. The real trouble with the neutrons is you have to carry additional radiation shielding if your reactor makes them.
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– EL_DON
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I'm trying to write some science fiction where they've had nuclear fusion working for quite sometime, interplanetary travel is no problem, and they're debating making the next step to a radical new, more efficient energy solution to run their space stations. What would that solution be? Antimatter reactors?
energy nuclear-physics fusion nuclear-engineering
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I'm trying to write some science fiction where they've had nuclear fusion working for quite sometime, interplanetary travel is no problem, and they're debating making the next step to a radical new, more efficient energy solution to run their space stations. What would that solution be? Antimatter reactors?
energy nuclear-physics fusion nuclear-engineering
energy nuclear-physics fusion nuclear-engineering
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Nobody knows what is likely to be next - the advantage of science fiction is you could possibly be right. However, if you say things are not possible then you are likely to be wrong... Someone said once that no-one would need more than 256K of ram...
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– Solar Mike
9 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
Next big thing would be getting rid of all the nuclear waste (contrary to popular believe, fusion produces quite a big, due to neutron capture of the steel hull of the reactor).
$endgroup$
– lalala
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
The steel in the reactor isn't really that big, and waste disposal for a decommissioned spaceship reactor could just be dumping the thing in some useless orbit. The real trouble with the neutrons is you have to carry additional radiation shielding if your reactor makes them.
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– EL_DON
7 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Nobody knows what is likely to be next - the advantage of science fiction is you could possibly be right. However, if you say things are not possible then you are likely to be wrong... Someone said once that no-one would need more than 256K of ram...
$endgroup$
– Solar Mike
9 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
Next big thing would be getting rid of all the nuclear waste (contrary to popular believe, fusion produces quite a big, due to neutron capture of the steel hull of the reactor).
$endgroup$
– lalala
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
The steel in the reactor isn't really that big, and waste disposal for a decommissioned spaceship reactor could just be dumping the thing in some useless orbit. The real trouble with the neutrons is you have to carry additional radiation shielding if your reactor makes them.
$endgroup$
– EL_DON
7 hours ago
$begingroup$
Nobody knows what is likely to be next - the advantage of science fiction is you could possibly be right. However, if you say things are not possible then you are likely to be wrong... Someone said once that no-one would need more than 256K of ram...
$endgroup$
– Solar Mike
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
Nobody knows what is likely to be next - the advantage of science fiction is you could possibly be right. However, if you say things are not possible then you are likely to be wrong... Someone said once that no-one would need more than 256K of ram...
$endgroup$
– Solar Mike
9 hours ago
1
1
$begingroup$
Next big thing would be getting rid of all the nuclear waste (contrary to popular believe, fusion produces quite a big, due to neutron capture of the steel hull of the reactor).
$endgroup$
– lalala
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
Next big thing would be getting rid of all the nuclear waste (contrary to popular believe, fusion produces quite a big, due to neutron capture of the steel hull of the reactor).
$endgroup$
– lalala
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
The steel in the reactor isn't really that big, and waste disposal for a decommissioned spaceship reactor could just be dumping the thing in some useless orbit. The real trouble with the neutrons is you have to carry additional radiation shielding if your reactor makes them.
$endgroup$
– EL_DON
7 hours ago
$begingroup$
The steel in the reactor isn't really that big, and waste disposal for a decommissioned spaceship reactor could just be dumping the thing in some useless orbit. The real trouble with the neutrons is you have to carry additional radiation shielding if your reactor makes them.
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– EL_DON
7 hours ago
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The answer is still fusion, but with different fuels. The easiest fusion reaction to do, and the one current research focuses on, is deuterium + tritium. But tritium has a 12.5 year half life and doesn't occur naturally. It has to be transmuted from lithium inside the power plant, right next to the reactor. This is a huge added complexity. The D+T fuel also emits high energy neutrons, which irradiate the surrounding materials and require shielding. You could pick a harder fusion reaction like hydrogen plus boron. Then the reactor itself has to be way higher tech, but things like fuel and shielding get a lot easier. There's also helium3 + deuterium to look into.
If you want to get really stupidly exotic, try to steal rotational energy from a rapidly spinning black hole, which is like the one thing you can take from it.
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Fusion isn't likely to be a very efficient way to harvest electrical energy in the physics sense (efficiency = energy harvested per energy consumed) even today. It is so popular an idea because it is a promise of a cheap and limitless energy production, not an efficient production.
If what you are after is efficiency, hydropower plants are already close to 90% efficiency today, much better than fusion is hoped to be. If you can make the station so big that you have lots of water, gravity and water cycle powered by Sun in it, then you can put a hydroelectric power plant there.
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You could just capture the solar energy used to drive the water cycle directly instead of wasting power on all that.
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– EL_DON
8 hours ago
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Direct conversion of solar energy into electric energy is not very efficient. Capturing part of it that gets stored into potential energy of water is.
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– Ján Lalinský
8 hours ago
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That's a small part, though. I think this solution will be far less efficient than direct capture if you normalize to the same total as used for direct solar.
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– EL_DON
7 hours ago
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This solution also suffers from lower power density. You could make a more compact nuclear solution or a thin photovoltaic array. An artificial water cycle machine would be enormous. This would only be practical if you were making some sort of garden art project with low population density.
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– EL_DON
7 hours ago
add a comment |
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Forget about antimatter as a fuel; the problems of producing it in quantity & storing it safely are insuperable. I suppose in science fiction anything is possible,but in the real world,much of science fiction fantasy is impossible & always will be. I'm afraid interstellar space travel falls under that heading too. As for energy to run the space station,all space stations are likely to be in the inner solar system,so what's wrong with solar energy? To have a fusion reactor on board a space station is likely to be very tricky,so why not have it on Mars or somewhere similar & beam the energy up to the space station by laser? On the other hand a nuclear fuelled (radio isotope) generator is quite feasible,& for safety reasons could be some distance away & connected to the station by cable.Then there is the question of avoiding space maladies like muscle & bone wastage,so why not insist that all astronauts go for a run on a treadmill every day & use the power generated? Or if you had a classical,wheel shaped space station,the running track could circle the perimeter & if all astronauts were made to run in the same direction,the space station would rotate in the opposite direction. This would create artificial gravity which would make life more normal for everyone.
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The answer is still fusion, but with different fuels. The easiest fusion reaction to do, and the one current research focuses on, is deuterium + tritium. But tritium has a 12.5 year half life and doesn't occur naturally. It has to be transmuted from lithium inside the power plant, right next to the reactor. This is a huge added complexity. The D+T fuel also emits high energy neutrons, which irradiate the surrounding materials and require shielding. You could pick a harder fusion reaction like hydrogen plus boron. Then the reactor itself has to be way higher tech, but things like fuel and shielding get a lot easier. There's also helium3 + deuterium to look into.
If you want to get really stupidly exotic, try to steal rotational energy from a rapidly spinning black hole, which is like the one thing you can take from it.
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add a comment |
$begingroup$
The answer is still fusion, but with different fuels. The easiest fusion reaction to do, and the one current research focuses on, is deuterium + tritium. But tritium has a 12.5 year half life and doesn't occur naturally. It has to be transmuted from lithium inside the power plant, right next to the reactor. This is a huge added complexity. The D+T fuel also emits high energy neutrons, which irradiate the surrounding materials and require shielding. You could pick a harder fusion reaction like hydrogen plus boron. Then the reactor itself has to be way higher tech, but things like fuel and shielding get a lot easier. There's also helium3 + deuterium to look into.
If you want to get really stupidly exotic, try to steal rotational energy from a rapidly spinning black hole, which is like the one thing you can take from it.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
The answer is still fusion, but with different fuels. The easiest fusion reaction to do, and the one current research focuses on, is deuterium + tritium. But tritium has a 12.5 year half life and doesn't occur naturally. It has to be transmuted from lithium inside the power plant, right next to the reactor. This is a huge added complexity. The D+T fuel also emits high energy neutrons, which irradiate the surrounding materials and require shielding. You could pick a harder fusion reaction like hydrogen plus boron. Then the reactor itself has to be way higher tech, but things like fuel and shielding get a lot easier. There's also helium3 + deuterium to look into.
If you want to get really stupidly exotic, try to steal rotational energy from a rapidly spinning black hole, which is like the one thing you can take from it.
$endgroup$
The answer is still fusion, but with different fuels. The easiest fusion reaction to do, and the one current research focuses on, is deuterium + tritium. But tritium has a 12.5 year half life and doesn't occur naturally. It has to be transmuted from lithium inside the power plant, right next to the reactor. This is a huge added complexity. The D+T fuel also emits high energy neutrons, which irradiate the surrounding materials and require shielding. You could pick a harder fusion reaction like hydrogen plus boron. Then the reactor itself has to be way higher tech, but things like fuel and shielding get a lot easier. There's also helium3 + deuterium to look into.
If you want to get really stupidly exotic, try to steal rotational energy from a rapidly spinning black hole, which is like the one thing you can take from it.
answered 8 hours ago
EL_DONEL_DON
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Fusion isn't likely to be a very efficient way to harvest electrical energy in the physics sense (efficiency = energy harvested per energy consumed) even today. It is so popular an idea because it is a promise of a cheap and limitless energy production, not an efficient production.
If what you are after is efficiency, hydropower plants are already close to 90% efficiency today, much better than fusion is hoped to be. If you can make the station so big that you have lots of water, gravity and water cycle powered by Sun in it, then you can put a hydroelectric power plant there.
$endgroup$
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You could just capture the solar energy used to drive the water cycle directly instead of wasting power on all that.
$endgroup$
– EL_DON
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
Direct conversion of solar energy into electric energy is not very efficient. Capturing part of it that gets stored into potential energy of water is.
$endgroup$
– Ján Lalinský
8 hours ago
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That's a small part, though. I think this solution will be far less efficient than direct capture if you normalize to the same total as used for direct solar.
$endgroup$
– EL_DON
7 hours ago
$begingroup$
This solution also suffers from lower power density. You could make a more compact nuclear solution or a thin photovoltaic array. An artificial water cycle machine would be enormous. This would only be practical if you were making some sort of garden art project with low population density.
$endgroup$
– EL_DON
7 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Fusion isn't likely to be a very efficient way to harvest electrical energy in the physics sense (efficiency = energy harvested per energy consumed) even today. It is so popular an idea because it is a promise of a cheap and limitless energy production, not an efficient production.
If what you are after is efficiency, hydropower plants are already close to 90% efficiency today, much better than fusion is hoped to be. If you can make the station so big that you have lots of water, gravity and water cycle powered by Sun in it, then you can put a hydroelectric power plant there.
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
You could just capture the solar energy used to drive the water cycle directly instead of wasting power on all that.
$endgroup$
– EL_DON
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
Direct conversion of solar energy into electric energy is not very efficient. Capturing part of it that gets stored into potential energy of water is.
$endgroup$
– Ján Lalinský
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
That's a small part, though. I think this solution will be far less efficient than direct capture if you normalize to the same total as used for direct solar.
$endgroup$
– EL_DON
7 hours ago
$begingroup$
This solution also suffers from lower power density. You could make a more compact nuclear solution or a thin photovoltaic array. An artificial water cycle machine would be enormous. This would only be practical if you were making some sort of garden art project with low population density.
$endgroup$
– EL_DON
7 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Fusion isn't likely to be a very efficient way to harvest electrical energy in the physics sense (efficiency = energy harvested per energy consumed) even today. It is so popular an idea because it is a promise of a cheap and limitless energy production, not an efficient production.
If what you are after is efficiency, hydropower plants are already close to 90% efficiency today, much better than fusion is hoped to be. If you can make the station so big that you have lots of water, gravity and water cycle powered by Sun in it, then you can put a hydroelectric power plant there.
$endgroup$
Fusion isn't likely to be a very efficient way to harvest electrical energy in the physics sense (efficiency = energy harvested per energy consumed) even today. It is so popular an idea because it is a promise of a cheap and limitless energy production, not an efficient production.
If what you are after is efficiency, hydropower plants are already close to 90% efficiency today, much better than fusion is hoped to be. If you can make the station so big that you have lots of water, gravity and water cycle powered by Sun in it, then you can put a hydroelectric power plant there.
answered 8 hours ago
Ján LalinskýJán Lalinský
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You could just capture the solar energy used to drive the water cycle directly instead of wasting power on all that.
$endgroup$
– EL_DON
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
Direct conversion of solar energy into electric energy is not very efficient. Capturing part of it that gets stored into potential energy of water is.
$endgroup$
– Ján Lalinský
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
That's a small part, though. I think this solution will be far less efficient than direct capture if you normalize to the same total as used for direct solar.
$endgroup$
– EL_DON
7 hours ago
$begingroup$
This solution also suffers from lower power density. You could make a more compact nuclear solution or a thin photovoltaic array. An artificial water cycle machine would be enormous. This would only be practical if you were making some sort of garden art project with low population density.
$endgroup$
– EL_DON
7 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
You could just capture the solar energy used to drive the water cycle directly instead of wasting power on all that.
$endgroup$
– EL_DON
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
Direct conversion of solar energy into electric energy is not very efficient. Capturing part of it that gets stored into potential energy of water is.
$endgroup$
– Ján Lalinský
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
That's a small part, though. I think this solution will be far less efficient than direct capture if you normalize to the same total as used for direct solar.
$endgroup$
– EL_DON
7 hours ago
$begingroup$
This solution also suffers from lower power density. You could make a more compact nuclear solution or a thin photovoltaic array. An artificial water cycle machine would be enormous. This would only be practical if you were making some sort of garden art project with low population density.
$endgroup$
– EL_DON
7 hours ago
$begingroup$
You could just capture the solar energy used to drive the water cycle directly instead of wasting power on all that.
$endgroup$
– EL_DON
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
You could just capture the solar energy used to drive the water cycle directly instead of wasting power on all that.
$endgroup$
– EL_DON
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
Direct conversion of solar energy into electric energy is not very efficient. Capturing part of it that gets stored into potential energy of water is.
$endgroup$
– Ján Lalinský
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
Direct conversion of solar energy into electric energy is not very efficient. Capturing part of it that gets stored into potential energy of water is.
$endgroup$
– Ján Lalinský
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
That's a small part, though. I think this solution will be far less efficient than direct capture if you normalize to the same total as used for direct solar.
$endgroup$
– EL_DON
7 hours ago
$begingroup$
That's a small part, though. I think this solution will be far less efficient than direct capture if you normalize to the same total as used for direct solar.
$endgroup$
– EL_DON
7 hours ago
$begingroup$
This solution also suffers from lower power density. You could make a more compact nuclear solution or a thin photovoltaic array. An artificial water cycle machine would be enormous. This would only be practical if you were making some sort of garden art project with low population density.
$endgroup$
– EL_DON
7 hours ago
$begingroup$
This solution also suffers from lower power density. You could make a more compact nuclear solution or a thin photovoltaic array. An artificial water cycle machine would be enormous. This would only be practical if you were making some sort of garden art project with low population density.
$endgroup$
– EL_DON
7 hours ago
add a comment |
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Forget about antimatter as a fuel; the problems of producing it in quantity & storing it safely are insuperable. I suppose in science fiction anything is possible,but in the real world,much of science fiction fantasy is impossible & always will be. I'm afraid interstellar space travel falls under that heading too. As for energy to run the space station,all space stations are likely to be in the inner solar system,so what's wrong with solar energy? To have a fusion reactor on board a space station is likely to be very tricky,so why not have it on Mars or somewhere similar & beam the energy up to the space station by laser? On the other hand a nuclear fuelled (radio isotope) generator is quite feasible,& for safety reasons could be some distance away & connected to the station by cable.Then there is the question of avoiding space maladies like muscle & bone wastage,so why not insist that all astronauts go for a run on a treadmill every day & use the power generated? Or if you had a classical,wheel shaped space station,the running track could circle the perimeter & if all astronauts were made to run in the same direction,the space station would rotate in the opposite direction. This would create artificial gravity which would make life more normal for everyone.
$endgroup$
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Forget about antimatter as a fuel; the problems of producing it in quantity & storing it safely are insuperable. I suppose in science fiction anything is possible,but in the real world,much of science fiction fantasy is impossible & always will be. I'm afraid interstellar space travel falls under that heading too. As for energy to run the space station,all space stations are likely to be in the inner solar system,so what's wrong with solar energy? To have a fusion reactor on board a space station is likely to be very tricky,so why not have it on Mars or somewhere similar & beam the energy up to the space station by laser? On the other hand a nuclear fuelled (radio isotope) generator is quite feasible,& for safety reasons could be some distance away & connected to the station by cable.Then there is the question of avoiding space maladies like muscle & bone wastage,so why not insist that all astronauts go for a run on a treadmill every day & use the power generated? Or if you had a classical,wheel shaped space station,the running track could circle the perimeter & if all astronauts were made to run in the same direction,the space station would rotate in the opposite direction. This would create artificial gravity which would make life more normal for everyone.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Forget about antimatter as a fuel; the problems of producing it in quantity & storing it safely are insuperable. I suppose in science fiction anything is possible,but in the real world,much of science fiction fantasy is impossible & always will be. I'm afraid interstellar space travel falls under that heading too. As for energy to run the space station,all space stations are likely to be in the inner solar system,so what's wrong with solar energy? To have a fusion reactor on board a space station is likely to be very tricky,so why not have it on Mars or somewhere similar & beam the energy up to the space station by laser? On the other hand a nuclear fuelled (radio isotope) generator is quite feasible,& for safety reasons could be some distance away & connected to the station by cable.Then there is the question of avoiding space maladies like muscle & bone wastage,so why not insist that all astronauts go for a run on a treadmill every day & use the power generated? Or if you had a classical,wheel shaped space station,the running track could circle the perimeter & if all astronauts were made to run in the same direction,the space station would rotate in the opposite direction. This would create artificial gravity which would make life more normal for everyone.
$endgroup$
Forget about antimatter as a fuel; the problems of producing it in quantity & storing it safely are insuperable. I suppose in science fiction anything is possible,but in the real world,much of science fiction fantasy is impossible & always will be. I'm afraid interstellar space travel falls under that heading too. As for energy to run the space station,all space stations are likely to be in the inner solar system,so what's wrong with solar energy? To have a fusion reactor on board a space station is likely to be very tricky,so why not have it on Mars or somewhere similar & beam the energy up to the space station by laser? On the other hand a nuclear fuelled (radio isotope) generator is quite feasible,& for safety reasons could be some distance away & connected to the station by cable.Then there is the question of avoiding space maladies like muscle & bone wastage,so why not insist that all astronauts go for a run on a treadmill every day & use the power generated? Or if you had a classical,wheel shaped space station,the running track could circle the perimeter & if all astronauts were made to run in the same direction,the space station would rotate in the opposite direction. This would create artificial gravity which would make life more normal for everyone.
answered 8 hours ago
Michael WalsbyMichael Walsby
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Nobody knows what is likely to be next - the advantage of science fiction is you could possibly be right. However, if you say things are not possible then you are likely to be wrong... Someone said once that no-one would need more than 256K of ram...
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– Solar Mike
9 hours ago
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Next big thing would be getting rid of all the nuclear waste (contrary to popular believe, fusion produces quite a big, due to neutron capture of the steel hull of the reactor).
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– lalala
8 hours ago
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The steel in the reactor isn't really that big, and waste disposal for a decommissioned spaceship reactor could just be dumping the thing in some useless orbit. The real trouble with the neutrons is you have to carry additional radiation shielding if your reactor makes them.
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– EL_DON
7 hours ago