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If I save a file (.odt,.txt, jpeg, etc) to my hdd (not ssd), move to trash, then cut /paste the files in the trash to a usb, would this hold up to the best forensic equipment trying to recover the files from my hdd afterwards?

Basically, I'm trying not to leave a trace of the file, obviously. Also, I'm thinking that if I don't want to "trash/delete" the files, since then they 'are' recoverable, what about just moving them to a usb (after I no longer need them) and scrubbing the usb with the dd command: sudo dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sdx bs=8192.

So the question becomes, if I follow this method, are they still located on my hdd?

I would test it with PhotoRec, but since I am NOT deleting the file(s), it doesn't seem like using PhotoRec would be a viable option here.

Website article states the following:

"If you cut a file or a folder, it does not disappear, but instead becomes transparent. When you paste that file/folder, it is moved to the new location and disappears from the original location.

https://www.issco.unige.ch/en/research/tutoriel-informatique/EN/copy_cut_delete_move_and_paste.html

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  Cut/paste is just move, which across drives is just copy-then-delete. So your assumption that you aren't deleting the files is not valid. Does this change your expected outcome?
  
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  "moving them to a usb … and scrubbing the usb with the dd command" ?!? I must be missing something here, because that makes no sense whatsoever. If it's what it sounds like, it's the equivalent of making a photocopy of a document and then running the photocopy through a shredder. What's the point?
  
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  If you want to make a file irrecoverable by forensics, no need for such a raindance, use the shred command. Note that this doesn't delete the file name from various places in the filesystem.
  
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  @Fox So, cutting and pasting is equivalent to deleting. I was hoping this was not the case.
  
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  @xenoid Yes, I thought the names would still be there somewhere. QUESTION: What happens if I save it to the desktop, then move it to trash so I know I am done with it, but then move it to a junk folder in documents (cut/paste), for instance. If I shred it from the documents directory, is there a copy of it saved on the desktop?
  
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If I save a file (.odt,.txt, jpeg, etc) to my hdd (not ssd), move to trash, then cut /paste the files in the trash to a usb, would this hold up to the best forensic equipment trying to recover the files from my hdd afterwards?

Basically, I'm trying not to leave a trace of the file, obviously. Also, I'm thinking that if I don't want to "trash/delete" the files, since then they 'are' recoverable, what about just moving them to a usb (after I no longer need them) and scrubbing the usb with the dd command: sudo dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sdx bs=8192.

So the question becomes, if I follow this method, are they still located on my hdd?

I would test it with PhotoRec, but since I am NOT deleting the file(s), it doesn't seem like using PhotoRec would be a viable option here.

Website article states the following:

"If you cut a file or a folder, it does not disappear, but instead becomes transparent. When you paste that file/folder, it is moved to the new location and disappears from the original location.

https://www.issco.unige.ch/en/research/tutoriel-informatique/EN/copy_cut_delete_move_and_paste.html

linux cut paste trash

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  Cut/paste is just move, which across drives is just copy-then-delete. So your assumption that you aren't deleting the files is not valid. Does this change your expected outcome?
  
  – Fox
  1 hour ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  "moving them to a usb … and scrubbing the usb with the dd command" ?!? I must be missing something here, because that makes no sense whatsoever. If it's what it sounds like, it's the equivalent of making a photocopy of a document and then running the photocopy through a shredder. What's the point?
  
  – Ray Butterworth
  57 mins ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  If you want to make a file irrecoverable by forensics, no need for such a raindance, use the shred command. Note that this doesn't delete the file name from various places in the filesystem.
  
  – xenoid
  45 mins ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  @Fox So, cutting and pasting is equivalent to deleting. I was hoping this was not the case.
  
  – topencrypt
  35 mins ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  @xenoid Yes, I thought the names would still be there somewhere. QUESTION: What happens if I save it to the desktop, then move it to trash so I know I am done with it, but then move it to a junk folder in documents (cut/paste), for instance. If I shred it from the documents directory, is there a copy of it saved on the desktop?
  
  – topencrypt
  30 mins ago
  
  
  

  
  
  
  

 | 
show 2 more comments

If I save a file (.odt,.txt, jpeg, etc) to my hdd (not ssd), move to trash, then cut /paste the files in the trash to a usb, would this hold up to the best forensic equipment trying to recover the files from my hdd afterwards?

Basically, I'm trying not to leave a trace of the file, obviously. Also, I'm thinking that if I don't want to "trash/delete" the files, since then they 'are' recoverable, what about just moving them to a usb (after I no longer need them) and scrubbing the usb with the dd command: sudo dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sdx bs=8192.

So the question becomes, if I follow this method, are they still located on my hdd?

I would test it with PhotoRec, but since I am NOT deleting the file(s), it doesn't seem like using PhotoRec would be a viable option here.

Website article states the following:

"If you cut a file or a folder, it does not disappear, but instead becomes transparent. When you paste that file/folder, it is moved to the new location and disappears from the original location.

https://www.issco.unige.ch/en/research/tutoriel-informatique/EN/copy_cut_delete_move_and_paste.html

linux cut paste trash

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https://www.issco.unige.ch/en/research/tutoriel-informatique/EN/copy_cut_delete_move_and_paste.html

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