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If I had a recording of some music, I could play it backwards. This is pretty simple.
If I had some music recorded, could I flip it around a note like in this image? If possible, how does that work?
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If I had a recording of some music, I could play it backwards. This is pretty simple.
If I had some music recorded, could I flip it around a note like in this image? If possible, how does that work?
sound
asked 4 hours ago
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If by "recording" you mean a midi file, I'm sure you could write a transformation algorithm to accomplish the task. But "how does that work" seems a little too broad.
– David Bowling
4 hours ago
@DavidBowling I mean like an MP4 or OGG file
– Stormblessed
4 hours ago
I'm not sure that those formats store audio information in a way that would allow this kind of manipulation (I don't think so). The answer will really come down to the particulars of the file formats in question, so may be off-topic here. It sounds like a question that topo morto may have some insight into; I'm sure that he will be along sooner or later....
– David Bowling
4 hours ago
Unrelated: You could, for the most part, physically turn the sheet music upside-down, except for some symbols that would be hard to read.The notes would all be mapped to new locations.
– user45266
4 hours ago
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If I had a recording of some music, I could play it backwards. This is pretty simple.
If I had some music recorded, could I flip it around a note like in this image? If possible, how does that work?
sound
asked 4 hours ago
StormblessedStormblessed
1596
If I had a recording of some music, I could play it backwards. This is pretty simple.
If I had some music recorded, could I flip it around a note like in this image? If possible, how does that work?
sound
sound
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StormblessedStormblessed
1596
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StormblessedStormblessed
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StormblessedStormblessed
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If by "recording" you mean a midi file, I'm sure you could write a transformation algorithm to accomplish the task. But "how does that work" seems a little too broad.
– David Bowling
4 hours ago
@DavidBowling I mean like an MP4 or OGG file
– Stormblessed
4 hours ago
I'm not sure that those formats store audio information in a way that would allow this kind of manipulation (I don't think so). The answer will really come down to the particulars of the file formats in question, so may be off-topic here. It sounds like a question that topo morto may have some insight into; I'm sure that he will be along sooner or later....
– David Bowling
4 hours ago
Unrelated: You could, for the most part, physically turn the sheet music upside-down, except for some symbols that would be hard to read.The notes would all be mapped to new locations.
– user45266
4 hours ago
add a comment |
If by "recording" you mean a midi file, I'm sure you could write a transformation algorithm to accomplish the task. But "how does that work" seems a little too broad.
– David Bowling
4 hours ago
@DavidBowling I mean like an MP4 or OGG file
– Stormblessed
4 hours ago
I'm not sure that those formats store audio information in a way that would allow this kind of manipulation (I don't think so). The answer will really come down to the particulars of the file formats in question, so may be off-topic here. It sounds like a question that topo morto may have some insight into; I'm sure that he will be along sooner or later....
– David Bowling
4 hours ago
Unrelated: You could, for the most part, physically turn the sheet music upside-down, except for some symbols that would be hard to read.The notes would all be mapped to new locations.
– user45266
4 hours ago
If by "recording" you mean a midi file, I'm sure you could write a transformation algorithm to accomplish the task. But "how does that work" seems a little too broad.
– David Bowling
4 hours ago
If by "recording" you mean a midi file, I'm sure you could write a transformation algorithm to accomplish the task. But "how does that work" seems a little too broad.
– David Bowling
4 hours ago
@DavidBowling I mean like an MP4 or OGG file
– Stormblessed
4 hours ago
@DavidBowling I mean like an MP4 or OGG file
– Stormblessed
4 hours ago
I'm not sure that those formats store audio information in a way that would allow this kind of manipulation (I don't think so). The answer will really come down to the particulars of the file formats in question, so may be off-topic here. It sounds like a question that topo morto may have some insight into; I'm sure that he will be along sooner or later....
– David Bowling
4 hours ago
I'm not sure that those formats store audio information in a way that would allow this kind of manipulation (I don't think so). The answer will really come down to the particulars of the file formats in question, so may be off-topic here. It sounds like a question that topo morto may have some insight into; I'm sure that he will be along sooner or later....
– David Bowling
4 hours ago
Unrelated: You could, for the most part, physically turn the sheet music upside-down, except for some symbols that would be hard to read.The notes would all be mapped to new locations.
– user45266
4 hours ago
Unrelated: You could, for the most part, physically turn the sheet music upside-down, except for some symbols that would be hard to read.The notes would all be mapped to new locations.
– user45266
4 hours ago
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Theoretically, this could be done by adapting the techniques used in a vocoder.
A vocoder works by measuring the amplitude of different frequency bands in a modulator signal (e.g. vocals), and then using that information to filter a carrier signal (e.g. a synthesizer sound), giving it a similar frequency spectrum as the modulator signal.
If you inverted the connections, you could control the low frequencies in the carrier signal with the high frequencies in the modulator signal, and vice versa. In fact, patching the connections in a non-linear way was a feature of some analog vocoders, like the EMS Vocoder 5000 from 1975 and the Moog 16-Channel Vocoder from 1979.
Moog 16-Channel Vocoder (1979) with frequency band switching patch bay (image from vintagesynth.com)
To achieve completely frequency-mirrored audio, you'd have to use white noise (which contains all frequencies) as the carrier signal, and you would need to have many more frequency bands than the dozen or so of a classic vocoder. Software vocoders like Reason's BV512 can have hundreds of bands, but you'd probably need thousands to achieve anything "realistic".
Even then, the result would not be music with mirrored note pitches. Every sound would have its component harmonics mirrored, and the result would be unrecognizable and unmusical.
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No, there is no single-pass audio process that can invert notes or melodies. Something like Celemony Melodyn Studio could get you started by analyzing all the notes, and then maybe you could embark on a lengthy MIDI inversion process and then try to use the inverted MIDI to re-arrange the audio in Melodyn. That could take a long time.
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Actually, I'd say frequency shifting (not pitch shifting!) can do something that could be called melodic inversion, though it sounds really weird (as it also completely scrambles the overtones of each single note).
– leftaroundabout
2 hours ago
@leftaroundabout Is there any consumer software that does frequency shifting?
– Your Uncle Bob
1 hour ago
@YourUncleBob I'm not aware of any that does specifically frequency shifting, but the operation is mathematically related to ring modulation and indeed sounds almost as weird.
– leftaroundabout
1 hour ago
add a comment |
This smacks of negative harmony, and I highly recommend you read that post. It's very informative, and one of the processes involved in that discussion is essentially inverting a song about an arbitrary axis, which seems to be what you want. However, though this is possible, I don't know of any software to do it for you, and generally this is a (rather rare) conceptual device used by musicians and applied to music, not just an algorithm that gets applied to existing sheet music to get a new result.
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Theoretically, this could be done by adapting the techniques used in a vocoder.
A vocoder works by measuring the amplitude of different frequency bands in a modulator signal (e.g. vocals), and then using that information to filter a carrier signal (e.g. a synthesizer sound), giving it a similar frequency spectrum as the modulator signal.
If you inverted the connections, you could control the low frequencies in the carrier signal with the high frequencies in the modulator signal, and vice versa. In fact, patching the connections in a non-linear way was a feature of some analog vocoders, like the EMS Vocoder 5000 from 1975 and the Moog 16-Channel Vocoder from 1979.
Moog 16-Channel Vocoder (1979) with frequency band switching patch bay (image from vintagesynth.com)
To achieve completely frequency-mirrored audio, you'd have to use white noise (which contains all frequencies) as the carrier signal, and you would need to have many more frequency bands than the dozen or so of a classic vocoder. Software vocoders like Reason's BV512 can have hundreds of bands, but you'd probably need thousands to achieve anything "realistic".
Even then, the result would not be music with mirrored note pitches. Every sound would have its component harmonics mirrored, and the result would be unrecognizable and unmusical.
answered 2 hours ago
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Theoretically, this could be done by adapting the techniques used in a vocoder.
A vocoder works by measuring the amplitude of different frequency bands in a modulator signal (e.g. vocals), and then using that information to filter a carrier signal (e.g. a synthesizer sound), giving it a similar frequency spectrum as the modulator signal.
If you inverted the connections, you could control the low frequencies in the carrier signal with the high frequencies in the modulator signal, and vice versa. In fact, patching the connections in a non-linear way was a feature of some analog vocoders, like the EMS Vocoder 5000 from 1975 and the Moog 16-Channel Vocoder from 1979.
Moog 16-Channel Vocoder (1979) with frequency band switching patch bay (image from vintagesynth.com)
To achieve completely frequency-mirrored audio, you'd have to use white noise (which contains all frequencies) as the carrier signal, and you would need to have many more frequency bands than the dozen or so of a classic vocoder. Software vocoders like Reason's BV512 can have hundreds of bands, but you'd probably need thousands to achieve anything "realistic".
Even then, the result would not be music with mirrored note pitches. Every sound would have its component harmonics mirrored, and the result would be unrecognizable and unmusical.
answered 2 hours ago
Your Uncle BobYour Uncle Bob
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Theoretically, this could be done by adapting the techniques used in a vocoder.
A vocoder works by measuring the amplitude of different frequency bands in a modulator signal (e.g. vocals), and then using that information to filter a carrier signal (e.g. a synthesizer sound), giving it a similar frequency spectrum as the modulator signal.
If you inverted the connections, you could control the low frequencies in the carrier signal with the high frequencies in the modulator signal, and vice versa. In fact, patching the connections in a non-linear way was a feature of some analog vocoders, like the EMS Vocoder 5000 from 1975 and the Moog 16-Channel Vocoder from 1979.
Moog 16-Channel Vocoder (1979) with frequency band switching patch bay (image from vintagesynth.com)
To achieve completely frequency-mirrored audio, you'd have to use white noise (which contains all frequencies) as the carrier signal, and you would need to have many more frequency bands than the dozen or so of a classic vocoder. Software vocoders like Reason's BV512 can have hundreds of bands, but you'd probably need thousands to achieve anything "realistic".
Even then, the result would not be music with mirrored note pitches. Every sound would have its component harmonics mirrored, and the result would be unrecognizable and unmusical.
answered 2 hours ago
Your Uncle BobYour Uncle Bob
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Theoretically, this could be done by adapting the techniques used in a vocoder.
A vocoder works by measuring the amplitude of different frequency bands in a modulator signal (e.g. vocals), and then using that information to filter a carrier signal (e.g. a synthesizer sound), giving it a similar frequency spectrum as the modulator signal.
If you inverted the connections, you could control the low frequencies in the carrier signal with the high frequencies in the modulator signal, and vice versa. In fact, patching the connections in a non-linear way was a feature of some analog vocoders, like the EMS Vocoder 5000 from 1975 and the Moog 16-Channel Vocoder from 1979.
Moog 16-Channel Vocoder (1979) with frequency band switching patch bay (image from vintagesynth.com)
To achieve completely frequency-mirrored audio, you'd have to use white noise (which contains all frequencies) as the carrier signal, and you would need to have many more frequency bands than the dozen or so of a classic vocoder. Software vocoders like Reason's BV512 can have hundreds of bands, but you'd probably need thousands to achieve anything "realistic".
Even then, the result would not be music with mirrored note pitches. Every sound would have its component harmonics mirrored, and the result would be unrecognizable and unmusical.
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No, there is no single-pass audio process that can invert notes or melodies. Something like Celemony Melodyn Studio could get you started by analyzing all the notes, and then maybe you could embark on a lengthy MIDI inversion process and then try to use the inverted MIDI to re-arrange the audio in Melodyn. That could take a long time.
answered 4 hours ago
Todd WilcoxTodd Wilcox
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Actually, I'd say frequency shifting (not pitch shifting!) can do something that could be called melodic inversion, though it sounds really weird (as it also completely scrambles the overtones of each single note).
– leftaroundabout
2 hours ago
@leftaroundabout Is there any consumer software that does frequency shifting?
– Your Uncle Bob
1 hour ago
@YourUncleBob I'm not aware of any that does specifically frequency shifting, but the operation is mathematically related to ring modulation and indeed sounds almost as weird.
– leftaroundabout
1 hour ago
add a comment |
No, there is no single-pass audio process that can invert notes or melodies. Something like Celemony Melodyn Studio could get you started by analyzing all the notes, and then maybe you could embark on a lengthy MIDI inversion process and then try to use the inverted MIDI to re-arrange the audio in Melodyn. That could take a long time.
answered 4 hours ago
Todd WilcoxTodd Wilcox
38.4k372130
1
Actually, I'd say frequency shifting (not pitch shifting!) can do something that could be called melodic inversion, though it sounds really weird (as it also completely scrambles the overtones of each single note).
– leftaroundabout
2 hours ago
@leftaroundabout Is there any consumer software that does frequency shifting?
– Your Uncle Bob
1 hour ago
@YourUncleBob I'm not aware of any that does specifically frequency shifting, but the operation is mathematically related to ring modulation and indeed sounds almost as weird.
– leftaroundabout
1 hour ago
add a comment |
No, there is no single-pass audio process that can invert notes or melodies. Something like Celemony Melodyn Studio could get you started by analyzing all the notes, and then maybe you could embark on a lengthy MIDI inversion process and then try to use the inverted MIDI to re-arrange the audio in Melodyn. That could take a long time.
answered 4 hours ago
Todd WilcoxTodd Wilcox
38.4k372130
No, there is no single-pass audio process that can invert notes or melodies. Something like Celemony Melodyn Studio could get you started by analyzing all the notes, and then maybe you could embark on a lengthy MIDI inversion process and then try to use the inverted MIDI to re-arrange the audio in Melodyn. That could take a long time.
answered 4 hours ago
Todd WilcoxTodd Wilcox
38.4k372130
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Todd WilcoxTodd Wilcox
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Todd WilcoxTodd Wilcox
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answered 4 hours ago
Todd WilcoxTodd Wilcox
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Actually, I'd say frequency shifting (not pitch shifting!) can do something that could be called melodic inversion, though it sounds really weird (as it also completely scrambles the overtones of each single note).
– leftaroundabout
2 hours ago
@leftaroundabout Is there any consumer software that does frequency shifting?
– Your Uncle Bob
1 hour ago
@YourUncleBob I'm not aware of any that does specifically frequency shifting, but the operation is mathematically related to ring modulation and indeed sounds almost as weird.
– leftaroundabout
1 hour ago
add a comment |
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Actually, I'd say frequency shifting (not pitch shifting!) can do something that could be called melodic inversion, though it sounds really weird (as it also completely scrambles the overtones of each single note).
– leftaroundabout
2 hours ago
@leftaroundabout Is there any consumer software that does frequency shifting?
– Your Uncle Bob
1 hour ago
@YourUncleBob I'm not aware of any that does specifically frequency shifting, but the operation is mathematically related to ring modulation and indeed sounds almost as weird.
– leftaroundabout
1 hour ago
1
1
Actually, I'd say frequency shifting (not pitch shifting!) can do something that could be called melodic inversion, though it sounds really weird (as it also completely scrambles the overtones of each single note).
– leftaroundabout
2 hours ago
Actually, I'd say frequency shifting (not pitch shifting!) can do something that could be called melodic inversion, though it sounds really weird (as it also completely scrambles the overtones of each single note).
– leftaroundabout
2 hours ago
@leftaroundabout Is there any consumer software that does frequency shifting?
– Your Uncle Bob
1 hour ago
@leftaroundabout Is there any consumer software that does frequency shifting?
– Your Uncle Bob
1 hour ago
@YourUncleBob I'm not aware of any that does specifically frequency shifting, but the operation is mathematically related to ring modulation and indeed sounds almost as weird.
– leftaroundabout
1 hour ago
@YourUncleBob I'm not aware of any that does specifically frequency shifting, but the operation is mathematically related to ring modulation and indeed sounds almost as weird.
– leftaroundabout
1 hour ago
add a comment |
This smacks of negative harmony, and I highly recommend you read that post. It's very informative, and one of the processes involved in that discussion is essentially inverting a song about an arbitrary axis, which seems to be what you want. However, though this is possible, I don't know of any software to do it for you, and generally this is a (rather rare) conceptual device used by musicians and applied to music, not just an algorithm that gets applied to existing sheet music to get a new result.
answered 1 hour ago
user45266user45266
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This smacks of negative harmony, and I highly recommend you read that post. It's very informative, and one of the processes involved in that discussion is essentially inverting a song about an arbitrary axis, which seems to be what you want. However, though this is possible, I don't know of any software to do it for you, and generally this is a (rather rare) conceptual device used by musicians and applied to music, not just an algorithm that gets applied to existing sheet music to get a new result.
answered 1 hour ago
user45266user45266
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This smacks of negative harmony, and I highly recommend you read that post. It's very informative, and one of the processes involved in that discussion is essentially inverting a song about an arbitrary axis, which seems to be what you want. However, though this is possible, I don't know of any software to do it for you, and generally this is a (rather rare) conceptual device used by musicians and applied to music, not just an algorithm that gets applied to existing sheet music to get a new result.
answered 1 hour ago
user45266user45266
4,7011937
This smacks of negative harmony, and I highly recommend you read that post. It's very informative, and one of the processes involved in that discussion is essentially inverting a song about an arbitrary axis, which seems to be what you want. However, though this is possible, I don't know of any software to do it for you, and generally this is a (rather rare) conceptual device used by musicians and applied to music, not just an algorithm that gets applied to existing sheet music to get a new result.
answered 1 hour ago
user45266user45266
4,7011937
answered 1 hour ago
user45266user45266
4,7011937
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If by "recording" you mean a midi file, I'm sure you could write a transformation algorithm to accomplish the task. But "how does that work" seems a little too broad.
– David Bowling
4 hours ago
@DavidBowling I mean like an MP4 or OGG file
– Stormblessed
4 hours ago
I'm not sure that those formats store audio information in a way that would allow this kind of manipulation (I don't think so). The answer will really come down to the particulars of the file formats in question, so may be off-topic here. It sounds like a question that topo morto may have some insight into; I'm sure that he will be along sooner or later....
– David Bowling
4 hours ago
Unrelated: You could, for the most part, physically turn the sheet music upside-down, except for some symbols that would be hard to read.The notes would all be mapped to new locations.
– user45266
4 hours ago