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I’m curious whether people use bra-ket notation in QM for any reasons beyond convention.
Are there any advantages to using bra-ket notation over ordinary linear algebraic notation? Are certain operations relevant to QM represented more compactly in bra-ket notation? Or does bra-ket notation clarify relationships between certain linear algebraic concepts?
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I’m curious whether people use bra-ket notation in QM for any reasons beyond convention.
Are there any advantages to using bra-ket notation over ordinary linear algebraic notation? Are certain operations relevant to QM represented more compactly in bra-ket notation? Or does bra-ket notation clarify relationships between certain linear algebraic concepts?
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The bra-ket notation is a mean to hide the beautiful mathematical theory of Hilbert spaces and rigged Hilbert spaces from the textbooks of Quantum Mechanics. So it does not clarify anything mathematically, it deals with mathematical problems by considering them non-existent.
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@DanielC A more detailed answer could be useful. I would be interested to hear about it. I've never heard such a negative position on this topic.
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I’m curious whether people use bra-ket notation in QM for any reasons beyond convention.
Are there any advantages to using bra-ket notation over ordinary linear algebraic notation? Are certain operations relevant to QM represented more compactly in bra-ket notation? Or does bra-ket notation clarify relationships between certain linear algebraic concepts?
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I’m curious whether people use bra-ket notation in QM for any reasons beyond convention.
Are there any advantages to using bra-ket notation over ordinary linear algebraic notation? Are certain operations relevant to QM represented more compactly in bra-ket notation? Or does bra-ket notation clarify relationships between certain linear algebraic concepts?
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The bra-ket notation is a mean to hide the beautiful mathematical theory of Hilbert spaces and rigged Hilbert spaces from the textbooks of Quantum Mechanics. So it does not clarify anything mathematically, it deals with mathematical problems by considering them non-existent.
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– DanielC
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@DanielC A more detailed answer could be useful. I would be interested to hear about it. I've never heard such a negative position on this topic.
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– Aaron Stevens
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The bra-ket notation is a mean to hide the beautiful mathematical theory of Hilbert spaces and rigged Hilbert spaces from the textbooks of Quantum Mechanics. So it does not clarify anything mathematically, it deals with mathematical problems by considering them non-existent.
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– DanielC
5 hours ago
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@DanielC A more detailed answer could be useful. I would be interested to hear about it. I've never heard such a negative position on this topic.
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– Aaron Stevens
1 hour ago
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The bra-ket notation is a mean to hide the beautiful mathematical theory of Hilbert spaces and rigged Hilbert spaces from the textbooks of Quantum Mechanics. So it does not clarify anything mathematically, it deals with mathematical problems by considering them non-existent.
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– DanielC
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The bra-ket notation is a mean to hide the beautiful mathematical theory of Hilbert spaces and rigged Hilbert spaces from the textbooks of Quantum Mechanics. So it does not clarify anything mathematically, it deals with mathematical problems by considering them non-existent.
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– DanielC
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@DanielC A more detailed answer could be useful. I would be interested to hear about it. I've never heard such a negative position on this topic.
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– Aaron Stevens
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@DanielC A more detailed answer could be useful. I would be interested to hear about it. I've never heard such a negative position on this topic.
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Bra-ket notation is useful because it lets you get rid of excess superscripts and subscripts.
For example, in conventional vector notation you might call the unit vectors in 3D space $vec{e}_x$, $vec{e}_y$, and $vec{e}_z$. There's something like "$vec{e}$" that you "hang an index on", in order to specify which basis vector you mean. But in bra-ket notation, you can just write the index by itself, as $|x rangle$, $|y rangle$, and $|z rangle$. This is a small space savings in this case, but it gets very useful when there are multiple indices, such as atomic orbitals, where we have
$$|n ell m ranglequad text{ vs. }quad vec{e}_n otimes vec{e}_ell otimes vec{e}_m.$$
Also consider position states like $|mathbf{x} rangle$, where the label of the state is itself a vector. In Dirac notation we use the $| , rangle$ to show we're talking about a state, and boldface vector notation in the label to show the label is itself a vector. In conventional notation, this would be something ugly like $vec{e}_{vec{x}}$ or $mathbf{e}_{mathbf{x}}$. (You can't just drop the $vec{e}$, as then $vec{x}$ would have two meanings: a position vector and a position eigenstate.)
Another benefit is when you start using bras. For example, you can form things like
$$langle mathbf{x} | mathbf{y} rangle, quad | mathbf{x} rangle langle mathbf{y}|.$$
From the shape alone you can easily tell that the first is a number and the second is a linear operator. Of course, you could do the same thing in vector notation with conjugate transposes,
$$vec{e}_{vec{x}}^dagger vec{e}_{vec{y}}, quad vec{e}_{vec{x}} vec{e}_{vec{y}}^dagger$$
but this will probably give you carpal tunnel writing it and eye pain reading it. (Sometimes people just write $vec{e}_{vec{x}} vec{e}_{vec{y}}$ for the latter and call it a "dyadic", but I think this is even worse because it's ambiguous inside larger expressions.) Dirac notation looks even better when you consider conjugation. In Dirac notation this is done for bras and kets by flipping everything horizontally, while for vector notation you have to add and remove daggers.
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I am in the middle of writing some notes on quantum mechanics for my brother, a mathematician. I'm trying to introduce as little notation as possible, and so I am not using bra-ket notation.
The advantages I've found for not using bra-ket notation are
- Don't have to explicitly introduce the notation. Explaining what a bra is does take a little time.
- Makes it a little clearer what's going on with operator adjoints, especially with non-hermitian operators. It's always kind of awkward to express when an operator is acting on the bra instead of the ket.
The disadvantages of not using bra-ket notation are
- Can't write projection operators in the form $sum_i |irangle langle i|$, which is very useful.
- Difficult to distinguish between an eigenvalue of an operator and a state with that eigenvalue. I've resorted to things like $x$ and $overline{x}$, but it invariably gets awkward.
- Also awkward to represent states that are eigenstates of multiple operators without ket notation $|nlmrangle$.
The advantages of bra-ket notation outweigh the disadvantages in my mind, but only for when you are really doing quantum mechanics. I will continue to avoid it in my notes to avoid too much new notation while focusing on the physical concepts and the connection to mathematics.
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Bra-ket notation is useful because it lets you get rid of excess superscripts and subscripts.
For example, in conventional vector notation you might call the unit vectors in 3D space $vec{e}_x$, $vec{e}_y$, and $vec{e}_z$. There's something like "$vec{e}$" that you "hang an index on", in order to specify which basis vector you mean. But in bra-ket notation, you can just write the index by itself, as $|x rangle$, $|y rangle$, and $|z rangle$. This is a small space savings in this case, but it gets very useful when there are multiple indices, such as atomic orbitals, where we have
$$|n ell m ranglequad text{ vs. }quad vec{e}_n otimes vec{e}_ell otimes vec{e}_m.$$
Also consider position states like $|mathbf{x} rangle$, where the label of the state is itself a vector. In Dirac notation we use the $| , rangle$ to show we're talking about a state, and boldface vector notation in the label to show the label is itself a vector. In conventional notation, this would be something ugly like $vec{e}_{vec{x}}$ or $mathbf{e}_{mathbf{x}}$. (You can't just drop the $vec{e}$, as then $vec{x}$ would have two meanings: a position vector and a position eigenstate.)
Another benefit is when you start using bras. For example, you can form things like
$$langle mathbf{x} | mathbf{y} rangle, quad | mathbf{x} rangle langle mathbf{y}|.$$
From the shape alone you can easily tell that the first is a number and the second is a linear operator. Of course, you could do the same thing in vector notation with conjugate transposes,
$$vec{e}_{vec{x}}^dagger vec{e}_{vec{y}}, quad vec{e}_{vec{x}} vec{e}_{vec{y}}^dagger$$
but this will probably give you carpal tunnel writing it and eye pain reading it. (Sometimes people just write $vec{e}_{vec{x}} vec{e}_{vec{y}}$ for the latter and call it a "dyadic", but I think this is even worse because it's ambiguous inside larger expressions.) Dirac notation looks even better when you consider conjugation. In Dirac notation this is done for bras and kets by flipping everything horizontally, while for vector notation you have to add and remove daggers.
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Bra-ket notation is useful because it lets you get rid of excess superscripts and subscripts.
For example, in conventional vector notation you might call the unit vectors in 3D space $vec{e}_x$, $vec{e}_y$, and $vec{e}_z$. There's something like "$vec{e}$" that you "hang an index on", in order to specify which basis vector you mean. But in bra-ket notation, you can just write the index by itself, as $|x rangle$, $|y rangle$, and $|z rangle$. This is a small space savings in this case, but it gets very useful when there are multiple indices, such as atomic orbitals, where we have
$$|n ell m ranglequad text{ vs. }quad vec{e}_n otimes vec{e}_ell otimes vec{e}_m.$$
Also consider position states like $|mathbf{x} rangle$, where the label of the state is itself a vector. In Dirac notation we use the $| , rangle$ to show we're talking about a state, and boldface vector notation in the label to show the label is itself a vector. In conventional notation, this would be something ugly like $vec{e}_{vec{x}}$ or $mathbf{e}_{mathbf{x}}$. (You can't just drop the $vec{e}$, as then $vec{x}$ would have two meanings: a position vector and a position eigenstate.)
Another benefit is when you start using bras. For example, you can form things like
$$langle mathbf{x} | mathbf{y} rangle, quad | mathbf{x} rangle langle mathbf{y}|.$$
From the shape alone you can easily tell that the first is a number and the second is a linear operator. Of course, you could do the same thing in vector notation with conjugate transposes,
$$vec{e}_{vec{x}}^dagger vec{e}_{vec{y}}, quad vec{e}_{vec{x}} vec{e}_{vec{y}}^dagger$$
but this will probably give you carpal tunnel writing it and eye pain reading it. (Sometimes people just write $vec{e}_{vec{x}} vec{e}_{vec{y}}$ for the latter and call it a "dyadic", but I think this is even worse because it's ambiguous inside larger expressions.) Dirac notation looks even better when you consider conjugation. In Dirac notation this is done for bras and kets by flipping everything horizontally, while for vector notation you have to add and remove daggers.
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Bra-ket notation is useful because it lets you get rid of excess superscripts and subscripts.
For example, in conventional vector notation you might call the unit vectors in 3D space $vec{e}_x$, $vec{e}_y$, and $vec{e}_z$. There's something like "$vec{e}$" that you "hang an index on", in order to specify which basis vector you mean. But in bra-ket notation, you can just write the index by itself, as $|x rangle$, $|y rangle$, and $|z rangle$. This is a small space savings in this case, but it gets very useful when there are multiple indices, such as atomic orbitals, where we have
$$|n ell m ranglequad text{ vs. }quad vec{e}_n otimes vec{e}_ell otimes vec{e}_m.$$
Also consider position states like $|mathbf{x} rangle$, where the label of the state is itself a vector. In Dirac notation we use the $| , rangle$ to show we're talking about a state, and boldface vector notation in the label to show the label is itself a vector. In conventional notation, this would be something ugly like $vec{e}_{vec{x}}$ or $mathbf{e}_{mathbf{x}}$. (You can't just drop the $vec{e}$, as then $vec{x}$ would have two meanings: a position vector and a position eigenstate.)
Another benefit is when you start using bras. For example, you can form things like
$$langle mathbf{x} | mathbf{y} rangle, quad | mathbf{x} rangle langle mathbf{y}|.$$
From the shape alone you can easily tell that the first is a number and the second is a linear operator. Of course, you could do the same thing in vector notation with conjugate transposes,
$$vec{e}_{vec{x}}^dagger vec{e}_{vec{y}}, quad vec{e}_{vec{x}} vec{e}_{vec{y}}^dagger$$
but this will probably give you carpal tunnel writing it and eye pain reading it. (Sometimes people just write $vec{e}_{vec{x}} vec{e}_{vec{y}}$ for the latter and call it a "dyadic", but I think this is even worse because it's ambiguous inside larger expressions.) Dirac notation looks even better when you consider conjugation. In Dirac notation this is done for bras and kets by flipping everything horizontally, while for vector notation you have to add and remove daggers.
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Bra-ket notation is useful because it lets you get rid of excess superscripts and subscripts.
For example, in conventional vector notation you might call the unit vectors in 3D space $vec{e}_x$, $vec{e}_y$, and $vec{e}_z$. There's something like "$vec{e}$" that you "hang an index on", in order to specify which basis vector you mean. But in bra-ket notation, you can just write the index by itself, as $|x rangle$, $|y rangle$, and $|z rangle$. This is a small space savings in this case, but it gets very useful when there are multiple indices, such as atomic orbitals, where we have
$$|n ell m ranglequad text{ vs. }quad vec{e}_n otimes vec{e}_ell otimes vec{e}_m.$$
Also consider position states like $|mathbf{x} rangle$, where the label of the state is itself a vector. In Dirac notation we use the $| , rangle$ to show we're talking about a state, and boldface vector notation in the label to show the label is itself a vector. In conventional notation, this would be something ugly like $vec{e}_{vec{x}}$ or $mathbf{e}_{mathbf{x}}$. (You can't just drop the $vec{e}$, as then $vec{x}$ would have two meanings: a position vector and a position eigenstate.)
Another benefit is when you start using bras. For example, you can form things like
$$langle mathbf{x} | mathbf{y} rangle, quad | mathbf{x} rangle langle mathbf{y}|.$$
From the shape alone you can easily tell that the first is a number and the second is a linear operator. Of course, you could do the same thing in vector notation with conjugate transposes,
$$vec{e}_{vec{x}}^dagger vec{e}_{vec{y}}, quad vec{e}_{vec{x}} vec{e}_{vec{y}}^dagger$$
but this will probably give you carpal tunnel writing it and eye pain reading it. (Sometimes people just write $vec{e}_{vec{x}} vec{e}_{vec{y}}$ for the latter and call it a "dyadic", but I think this is even worse because it's ambiguous inside larger expressions.) Dirac notation looks even better when you consider conjugation. In Dirac notation this is done for bras and kets by flipping everything horizontally, while for vector notation you have to add and remove daggers.
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I am in the middle of writing some notes on quantum mechanics for my brother, a mathematician. I'm trying to introduce as little notation as possible, and so I am not using bra-ket notation.
The advantages I've found for not using bra-ket notation are
- Don't have to explicitly introduce the notation. Explaining what a bra is does take a little time.
- Makes it a little clearer what's going on with operator adjoints, especially with non-hermitian operators. It's always kind of awkward to express when an operator is acting on the bra instead of the ket.
The disadvantages of not using bra-ket notation are
- Can't write projection operators in the form $sum_i |irangle langle i|$, which is very useful.
- Difficult to distinguish between an eigenvalue of an operator and a state with that eigenvalue. I've resorted to things like $x$ and $overline{x}$, but it invariably gets awkward.
- Also awkward to represent states that are eigenstates of multiple operators without ket notation $|nlmrangle$.
The advantages of bra-ket notation outweigh the disadvantages in my mind, but only for when you are really doing quantum mechanics. I will continue to avoid it in my notes to avoid too much new notation while focusing on the physical concepts and the connection to mathematics.
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I am in the middle of writing some notes on quantum mechanics for my brother, a mathematician. I'm trying to introduce as little notation as possible, and so I am not using bra-ket notation.
The advantages I've found for not using bra-ket notation are
- Don't have to explicitly introduce the notation. Explaining what a bra is does take a little time.
- Makes it a little clearer what's going on with operator adjoints, especially with non-hermitian operators. It's always kind of awkward to express when an operator is acting on the bra instead of the ket.
The disadvantages of not using bra-ket notation are
- Can't write projection operators in the form $sum_i |irangle langle i|$, which is very useful.
- Difficult to distinguish between an eigenvalue of an operator and a state with that eigenvalue. I've resorted to things like $x$ and $overline{x}$, but it invariably gets awkward.
- Also awkward to represent states that are eigenstates of multiple operators without ket notation $|nlmrangle$.
The advantages of bra-ket notation outweigh the disadvantages in my mind, but only for when you are really doing quantum mechanics. I will continue to avoid it in my notes to avoid too much new notation while focusing on the physical concepts and the connection to mathematics.
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I am in the middle of writing some notes on quantum mechanics for my brother, a mathematician. I'm trying to introduce as little notation as possible, and so I am not using bra-ket notation.
The advantages I've found for not using bra-ket notation are
- Don't have to explicitly introduce the notation. Explaining what a bra is does take a little time.
- Makes it a little clearer what's going on with operator adjoints, especially with non-hermitian operators. It's always kind of awkward to express when an operator is acting on the bra instead of the ket.
The disadvantages of not using bra-ket notation are
- Can't write projection operators in the form $sum_i |irangle langle i|$, which is very useful.
- Difficult to distinguish between an eigenvalue of an operator and a state with that eigenvalue. I've resorted to things like $x$ and $overline{x}$, but it invariably gets awkward.
- Also awkward to represent states that are eigenstates of multiple operators without ket notation $|nlmrangle$.
The advantages of bra-ket notation outweigh the disadvantages in my mind, but only for when you are really doing quantum mechanics. I will continue to avoid it in my notes to avoid too much new notation while focusing on the physical concepts and the connection to mathematics.
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I am in the middle of writing some notes on quantum mechanics for my brother, a mathematician. I'm trying to introduce as little notation as possible, and so I am not using bra-ket notation.
The advantages I've found for not using bra-ket notation are
- Don't have to explicitly introduce the notation. Explaining what a bra is does take a little time.
- Makes it a little clearer what's going on with operator adjoints, especially with non-hermitian operators. It's always kind of awkward to express when an operator is acting on the bra instead of the ket.
The disadvantages of not using bra-ket notation are
- Can't write projection operators in the form $sum_i |irangle langle i|$, which is very useful.
- Difficult to distinguish between an eigenvalue of an operator and a state with that eigenvalue. I've resorted to things like $x$ and $overline{x}$, but it invariably gets awkward.
- Also awkward to represent states that are eigenstates of multiple operators without ket notation $|nlmrangle$.
The advantages of bra-ket notation outweigh the disadvantages in my mind, but only for when you are really doing quantum mechanics. I will continue to avoid it in my notes to avoid too much new notation while focusing on the physical concepts and the connection to mathematics.
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The bra-ket notation is a mean to hide the beautiful mathematical theory of Hilbert spaces and rigged Hilbert spaces from the textbooks of Quantum Mechanics. So it does not clarify anything mathematically, it deals with mathematical problems by considering them non-existent.
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