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In einer Pause, als der Sänger sich räusperte, fragte ich den Lakaien, wer der Sänger sei und ob er oft hierher käme.
»So an die zwei Mal im Sommer«, erwiderte der Lakai. »Er ist aus dem Kanton Aargau, er zieht so bettelnd umher.«

My question is how is "So an die" working?

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Luzern (Tolstoy's book)

In einer Pause, als der Sänger sich räusperte, fragte ich den Lakaien, wer der Sänger sei und ob er oft hierher käme.
»So an die zwei Mal im Sommer«, erwiderte der Lakai. »Er ist aus dem Kanton Aargau, er zieht so bettelnd umher.«

My question is how is "So an die" working?

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Luzern (Tolstoy's book)

In einer Pause, als der Sänger sich räusperte, fragte ich den Lakaien, wer der Sänger sei und ob er oft hierher käme.
»So an die zwei Mal im Sommer«, erwiderte der Lakai. »Er ist aus dem Kanton Aargau, er zieht so bettelnd umher.«

My question is how is "So an die" working?

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• German so
  
  In this context (for both instances of so) this is an untranslatable modal particle (also in Wikipedia). The best way to translate it is to ignore it.


• German an
  
  English about (in this context)

Full translation:

During a break, when the singer cleared his throat, I asked the footman who the singer was and whether he came here often.
"About twice this summer," said the footman. "He's from the Canton of Aargau, he's moving around begging."

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  But how can the German so be ignorable if the sentence also works without an die? »So zwei Mal im Sommer« is equivalent to »An die zwei Mal im Sommer«.
  
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  @Philipp "So zwei Mal im Sommer" and "an die zwei Mal im Sommer" have very slightly different meanings or, at least, origins. "So zwei Mal" means something like "about two times", maybe one time, maybe three times. "An die zwei Mal" harkens back to a literal scale where the measured value almost reaches the marking for "two". You might relate the "an" to something like "heranreichen". Therefore, "an die zwei Mal" means rather "one or two times", less "two or three times". As I said, the difference is very subtle, and most of the time the two prases can be used interchangeably.
  
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  @Hubert Ich nehme an, das "twice this summer" ist ein Flüchtigkeitsfehler und Du wolltest eigentlich "the" schreiben, aber da es trotzdem ein inhaltlicher Eingriff wäre, möchte ich da nicht einfach drübereditieren.
  
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"My question is how is "So an die" working?"

The same way as (in) etwa does:

»(In) Etwa zwei Mal im Sommer«, erwiderte der Lakai. »Er ist aus dem Kanton Aargau, er zieht so bettelnd umher.«

About 2 times per summer

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• German so
  
  In this context (for both instances of so) this is an untranslatable modal particle (also in Wikipedia). The best way to translate it is to ignore it.


• German an
  
  English about (in this context)

Full translation:

During a break, when the singer cleared his throat, I asked the footman who the singer was and whether he came here often.
"About twice this summer," said the footman. "He's from the Canton of Aargau, he's moving around begging."

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answered 9 hours ago

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  But how can the German so be ignorable if the sentence also works without an die? »So zwei Mal im Sommer« is equivalent to »An die zwei Mal im Sommer«.
  
  – Philipp
  7 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  @Philipp "So zwei Mal im Sommer" and "an die zwei Mal im Sommer" have very slightly different meanings or, at least, origins. "So zwei Mal" means something like "about two times", maybe one time, maybe three times. "An die zwei Mal" harkens back to a literal scale where the measured value almost reaches the marking for "two". You might relate the "an" to something like "heranreichen". Therefore, "an die zwei Mal" means rather "one or two times", less "two or three times". As I said, the difference is very subtle, and most of the time the two prases can be used interchangeably.
  
  – Henning Kockerbeck
  7 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  @Hubert Ich nehme an, das "twice this summer" ist ein Flüchtigkeitsfehler und Du wolltest eigentlich "the" schreiben, aber da es trotzdem ein inhaltlicher Eingriff wäre, möchte ich da nicht einfach drübereditieren.
  
  – Volker Landgraf
  3 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

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• German so
  
  In this context (for both instances of so) this is an untranslatable modal particle (also in Wikipedia). The best way to translate it is to ignore it.


• German an
  
  English about (in this context)

Full translation:

During a break, when the singer cleared his throat, I asked the footman who the singer was and whether he came here often.
"About twice this summer," said the footman. "He's from the Canton of Aargau, he's moving around begging."

share|improve this answer

answered 9 hours ago

Hubert SchölnastHubert Schölnast

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• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  But how can the German so be ignorable if the sentence also works without an die? »So zwei Mal im Sommer« is equivalent to »An die zwei Mal im Sommer«.
  
  – Philipp
  7 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  @Philipp "So zwei Mal im Sommer" and "an die zwei Mal im Sommer" have very slightly different meanings or, at least, origins. "So zwei Mal" means something like "about two times", maybe one time, maybe three times. "An die zwei Mal" harkens back to a literal scale where the measured value almost reaches the marking for "two". You might relate the "an" to something like "heranreichen". Therefore, "an die zwei Mal" means rather "one or two times", less "two or three times". As I said, the difference is very subtle, and most of the time the two prases can be used interchangeably.
  
  – Henning Kockerbeck
  7 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  @Hubert Ich nehme an, das "twice this summer" ist ein Flüchtigkeitsfehler und Du wolltest eigentlich "the" schreiben, aber da es trotzdem ein inhaltlicher Eingriff wäre, möchte ich da nicht einfach drübereditieren.
  
  – Volker Landgraf
  3 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

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• German so
  
  In this context (for both instances of so) this is an untranslatable modal particle (also in Wikipedia). The best way to translate it is to ignore it.


• German an
  
  English about (in this context)

Full translation:

During a break, when the singer cleared his throat, I asked the footman who the singer was and whether he came here often.
"About twice this summer," said the footman. "He's from the Canton of Aargau, he's moving around begging."

share|improve this answer

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"My question is how is "So an die" working?"

The same way as (in) etwa does:

»(In) Etwa zwei Mal im Sommer«, erwiderte der Lakai. »Er ist aus dem Kanton Aargau, er zieht so bettelnd umher.«

About 2 times per summer

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"My question is how is "So an die" working?"

The same way as (in) etwa does:

»(In) Etwa zwei Mal im Sommer«, erwiderte der Lakai. »Er ist aus dem Kanton Aargau, er zieht so bettelnd umher.«

About 2 times per summer

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"My question is how is "So an die" working?"

The same way as (in) etwa does:

»(In) Etwa zwei Mal im Sommer«, erwiderte der Lakai. »Er ist aus dem Kanton Aargau, er zieht so bettelnd umher.«

About 2 times per summer

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