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The expression “shotgun wedding/marriage”, as described in the following link, is an AmE one.
Of American-English origin, the phrases shotgun wedding and shotgun marriage denote a wedding into which one or both partners are forced, usually because the woman is pregnant.
Its earliest usage instances appear to date from the second half of the 19th century from American papers such as:
The Cincinnati Enquirer (Cincinnati, Ohio) of Monday 15th April 1872 and
The Telegraph and Messenger (Macon, Georgia) of Tuesday 21st August 1883.
Also its metaphoric usage appears to have first appeared in AmE:
Those phrases came to also denote any forced union. The following article from the Editorial Page of the San Francisco Examiner (San Francisco, California) of Friday 1st March 1929 illustrates the transition to this generic sense.
I’d assume that in the 19th century this kind of marriages were celebrated in England too, and if so, what were they called in England?
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The expression “shotgun wedding/marriage”, as described in the following link, is an AmE one.
Of American-English origin, the phrases shotgun wedding and shotgun marriage denote a wedding into which one or both partners are forced, usually because the woman is pregnant.
Its earliest usage instances appear to date from the second half of the 19th century from American papers such as:
The Cincinnati Enquirer (Cincinnati, Ohio) of Monday 15th April 1872 and
The Telegraph and Messenger (Macon, Georgia) of Tuesday 21st August 1883.
Also its metaphoric usage appears to have first appeared in AmE:
Those phrases came to also denote any forced union. The following article from the Editorial Page of the San Francisco Examiner (San Francisco, California) of Friday 1st March 1929 illustrates the transition to this generic sense.
I’d assume that in the 19th century this kind of marriages were celebrated in England too, and if so, what were they called in England?
etymology expressions
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The expression “shotgun wedding/marriage”, as described in the following link, is an AmE one.
Of American-English origin, the phrases shotgun wedding and shotgun marriage denote a wedding into which one or both partners are forced, usually because the woman is pregnant.
Its earliest usage instances appear to date from the second half of the 19th century from American papers such as:
The Cincinnati Enquirer (Cincinnati, Ohio) of Monday 15th April 1872 and
The Telegraph and Messenger (Macon, Georgia) of Tuesday 21st August 1883.
Also its metaphoric usage appears to have first appeared in AmE:
Those phrases came to also denote any forced union. The following article from the Editorial Page of the San Francisco Examiner (San Francisco, California) of Friday 1st March 1929 illustrates the transition to this generic sense.
I’d assume that in the 19th century this kind of marriages were celebrated in England too, and if so, what were they called in England?
etymology expressions
The expression “shotgun wedding/marriage”, as described in the following link, is an AmE one.
Of American-English origin, the phrases shotgun wedding and shotgun marriage denote a wedding into which one or both partners are forced, usually because the woman is pregnant.
Its earliest usage instances appear to date from the second half of the 19th century from American papers such as:
The Cincinnati Enquirer (Cincinnati, Ohio) of Monday 15th April 1872 and
The Telegraph and Messenger (Macon, Georgia) of Tuesday 21st August 1883.
Also its metaphoric usage appears to have first appeared in AmE:
Those phrases came to also denote any forced union. The following article from the Editorial Page of the San Francisco Examiner (San Francisco, California) of Friday 1st March 1929 illustrates the transition to this generic sense.
I’d assume that in the 19th century this kind of marriages were celebrated in England too, and if so, what were they called in England?
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knobstick wedding Wikipedia
A knobstick wedding is the forced marriage of a pregnant single woman
with the man known or believed to be the father. It
derives its name from the staves of office carried by the church
wardens whose presence was intended to ensure that the ceremony took
place. The practice and the term were most prevalent in the
United Kingdom in the 18th century.
Here one could experience the blows of the knobstick is this forced nuptial covenant was ignored.
From the OED: now obselete, but was used before shotgun wedding.
knobstick wedding n. now historical a wedding forced on a
couple by parish officials when the woman is pregnant (typically to
limit the number of claims on the poor rate for children born out of
wedlock);
7
As a BrE speaker, I've never heard anyone use the term knobstick when referring to a force marriage. So while this might be an accurate historical term, I wouldn't use it today and expect anyone to know what it meant.
– KillingTime
10 hours ago
Presumably there were no parish officials in the Wild West, so the father or brothers of a "fallen" woman would need to take it upon themselves to find her justice, using the tools at hand. On the other hand, America being America, I have visions of church wardens walking around armed with shotguns as well.
– choster
10 hours ago
2
@KillingTime what expression would BrE speakers use nowadays ?
– user067531
10 hours ago
4
@user067531 I am British and the only term I know for this type of wedding (as opposed to a 'forced marriage' which usually means a marriage where a family forces a young girl into an arranged marriage for cultural reasons) is shotgun wedding. I accept that it is of American origin but it has been a part of British English for at least 50 years.
– BoldBen
9 hours ago
3
As a Hiberno-English speaker, I've never heard a knobstick wedding. My initial reaction was that it was some kind of rude joke !
– k1eran
9 hours ago
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Nowadays, British English speakers may also use "shotgun wedding."
The British National Corpus has a large number of samples of British English through the mid-1990s. Here are the three results that come up for shotgun wedding.
. Of course somebody, Who Shall Be Nameless, would bring up the subject of Burns-And-You-Know-What, and how many of his children were born on The Wrong Side Of The Blanket, What Right Had We to look down on Brown Owl for her shotgun wedding when we were all supposed to look up to Rabbie Burns as Our Big Hero? (True Confessions and New Cliches. Lochhead, Liz. Edinburgh, Polygon Books, 1985.)
There was some speculation about alternatives, with some canvassing the claims of Derby and Salisbury and others imploring Lloyd George to take over the leadership and unite the parties in a shotgun wedding, but Austen's claims were undeniable. (John Ramsden, The Age of Balfour and Baldwin 1902-1940. Longman Group UK, 1978.)
In this sense May 1968 was the price de Gaulle paid for his attempt at a shotgun wedding between French industry and the twentieth century. (John Harrison, Andrew Glyn, and Philip Armstrong. Capitalism Since 1945. Oxford: Blackwell, 1991.)
Notably, the latter two examples use shotgun wedding figuratively in political contexts to describe forcing together two disparate groups for the sake of appearance or political exigence. The fact that they're used, in a way that presumes familiarity by the audience, suggests the phrase is known and used among British English speakers. The Hansard Corpus, a corpus of British parliamentary records from 1803 to 2005, features the usage several times starting in the 1950s:
We have to suffer or enjoy sharing the service with Northern Ireland; it is a marriage of convenience, or perhaps a shotgun wedding, but we should like a divorce from Northern Ireland as quickly as possible (23 May 1957, House of Commons, Mr. George Chetwynd)
The corpus has 29 results total, and the usage seems about equally common from the 1960s onward.
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knobstick wedding Wikipedia
A knobstick wedding is the forced marriage of a pregnant single woman
with the man known or believed to be the father. It
derives its name from the staves of office carried by the church
wardens whose presence was intended to ensure that the ceremony took
place. The practice and the term were most prevalent in the
United Kingdom in the 18th century.
Here one could experience the blows of the knobstick is this forced nuptial covenant was ignored.
From the OED: now obselete, but was used before shotgun wedding.
knobstick wedding n. now historical a wedding forced on a
couple by parish officials when the woman is pregnant (typically to
limit the number of claims on the poor rate for children born out of
wedlock);
7
As a BrE speaker, I've never heard anyone use the term knobstick when referring to a force marriage. So while this might be an accurate historical term, I wouldn't use it today and expect anyone to know what it meant.
– KillingTime
10 hours ago
Presumably there were no parish officials in the Wild West, so the father or brothers of a "fallen" woman would need to take it upon themselves to find her justice, using the tools at hand. On the other hand, America being America, I have visions of church wardens walking around armed with shotguns as well.
– choster
10 hours ago
2
@KillingTime what expression would BrE speakers use nowadays ?
– user067531
10 hours ago
4
@user067531 I am British and the only term I know for this type of wedding (as opposed to a 'forced marriage' which usually means a marriage where a family forces a young girl into an arranged marriage for cultural reasons) is shotgun wedding. I accept that it is of American origin but it has been a part of British English for at least 50 years.
– BoldBen
9 hours ago
3
As a Hiberno-English speaker, I've never heard a knobstick wedding. My initial reaction was that it was some kind of rude joke !
– k1eran
9 hours ago
|
show 3 more comments
knobstick wedding Wikipedia
A knobstick wedding is the forced marriage of a pregnant single woman
with the man known or believed to be the father. It
derives its name from the staves of office carried by the church
wardens whose presence was intended to ensure that the ceremony took
place. The practice and the term were most prevalent in the
United Kingdom in the 18th century.
Here one could experience the blows of the knobstick is this forced nuptial covenant was ignored.
From the OED: now obselete, but was used before shotgun wedding.
knobstick wedding n. now historical a wedding forced on a
couple by parish officials when the woman is pregnant (typically to
limit the number of claims on the poor rate for children born out of
wedlock);
7
As a BrE speaker, I've never heard anyone use the term knobstick when referring to a force marriage. So while this might be an accurate historical term, I wouldn't use it today and expect anyone to know what it meant.
– KillingTime
10 hours ago
Presumably there were no parish officials in the Wild West, so the father or brothers of a "fallen" woman would need to take it upon themselves to find her justice, using the tools at hand. On the other hand, America being America, I have visions of church wardens walking around armed with shotguns as well.
– choster
10 hours ago
2
@KillingTime what expression would BrE speakers use nowadays ?
– user067531
10 hours ago
4
@user067531 I am British and the only term I know for this type of wedding (as opposed to a 'forced marriage' which usually means a marriage where a family forces a young girl into an arranged marriage for cultural reasons) is shotgun wedding. I accept that it is of American origin but it has been a part of British English for at least 50 years.
– BoldBen
9 hours ago
3
As a Hiberno-English speaker, I've never heard a knobstick wedding. My initial reaction was that it was some kind of rude joke !
– k1eran
9 hours ago
|
show 3 more comments
knobstick wedding Wikipedia
A knobstick wedding is the forced marriage of a pregnant single woman
with the man known or believed to be the father. It
derives its name from the staves of office carried by the church
wardens whose presence was intended to ensure that the ceremony took
place. The practice and the term were most prevalent in the
United Kingdom in the 18th century.
Here one could experience the blows of the knobstick is this forced nuptial covenant was ignored.
From the OED: now obselete, but was used before shotgun wedding.
knobstick wedding n. now historical a wedding forced on a
couple by parish officials when the woman is pregnant (typically to
limit the number of claims on the poor rate for children born out of
wedlock);
knobstick wedding Wikipedia
A knobstick wedding is the forced marriage of a pregnant single woman
with the man known or believed to be the father. It
derives its name from the staves of office carried by the church
wardens whose presence was intended to ensure that the ceremony took
place. The practice and the term were most prevalent in the
United Kingdom in the 18th century.
Here one could experience the blows of the knobstick is this forced nuptial covenant was ignored.
From the OED: now obselete, but was used before shotgun wedding.
knobstick wedding n. now historical a wedding forced on a
couple by parish officials when the woman is pregnant (typically to
limit the number of claims on the poor rate for children born out of
wedlock);
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As a BrE speaker, I've never heard anyone use the term knobstick when referring to a force marriage. So while this might be an accurate historical term, I wouldn't use it today and expect anyone to know what it meant.
– KillingTime
10 hours ago
Presumably there were no parish officials in the Wild West, so the father or brothers of a "fallen" woman would need to take it upon themselves to find her justice, using the tools at hand. On the other hand, America being America, I have visions of church wardens walking around armed with shotguns as well.
– choster
10 hours ago
2
@KillingTime what expression would BrE speakers use nowadays ?
– user067531
10 hours ago
4
@user067531 I am British and the only term I know for this type of wedding (as opposed to a 'forced marriage' which usually means a marriage where a family forces a young girl into an arranged marriage for cultural reasons) is shotgun wedding. I accept that it is of American origin but it has been a part of British English for at least 50 years.
– BoldBen
9 hours ago
3
As a Hiberno-English speaker, I've never heard a knobstick wedding. My initial reaction was that it was some kind of rude joke !
– k1eran
9 hours ago
|
show 3 more comments
7
As a BrE speaker, I've never heard anyone use the term knobstick when referring to a force marriage. So while this might be an accurate historical term, I wouldn't use it today and expect anyone to know what it meant.
– KillingTime
10 hours ago
Presumably there were no parish officials in the Wild West, so the father or brothers of a "fallen" woman would need to take it upon themselves to find her justice, using the tools at hand. On the other hand, America being America, I have visions of church wardens walking around armed with shotguns as well.
– choster
10 hours ago
2
@KillingTime what expression would BrE speakers use nowadays ?
– user067531
10 hours ago
4
@user067531 I am British and the only term I know for this type of wedding (as opposed to a 'forced marriage' which usually means a marriage where a family forces a young girl into an arranged marriage for cultural reasons) is shotgun wedding. I accept that it is of American origin but it has been a part of British English for at least 50 years.
– BoldBen
9 hours ago
3
As a Hiberno-English speaker, I've never heard a knobstick wedding. My initial reaction was that it was some kind of rude joke !
– k1eran
9 hours ago
7
7
As a BrE speaker, I've never heard anyone use the term knobstick when referring to a force marriage. So while this might be an accurate historical term, I wouldn't use it today and expect anyone to know what it meant.
– KillingTime
10 hours ago
As a BrE speaker, I've never heard anyone use the term knobstick when referring to a force marriage. So while this might be an accurate historical term, I wouldn't use it today and expect anyone to know what it meant.
– KillingTime
10 hours ago
Presumably there were no parish officials in the Wild West, so the father or brothers of a "fallen" woman would need to take it upon themselves to find her justice, using the tools at hand. On the other hand, America being America, I have visions of church wardens walking around armed with shotguns as well.
– choster
10 hours ago
Presumably there were no parish officials in the Wild West, so the father or brothers of a "fallen" woman would need to take it upon themselves to find her justice, using the tools at hand. On the other hand, America being America, I have visions of church wardens walking around armed with shotguns as well.
– choster
10 hours ago
2
2
@KillingTime what expression would BrE speakers use nowadays ?
– user067531
10 hours ago
@KillingTime what expression would BrE speakers use nowadays ?
– user067531
10 hours ago
4
4
@user067531 I am British and the only term I know for this type of wedding (as opposed to a 'forced marriage' which usually means a marriage where a family forces a young girl into an arranged marriage for cultural reasons) is shotgun wedding. I accept that it is of American origin but it has been a part of British English for at least 50 years.
– BoldBen
9 hours ago
@user067531 I am British and the only term I know for this type of wedding (as opposed to a 'forced marriage' which usually means a marriage where a family forces a young girl into an arranged marriage for cultural reasons) is shotgun wedding. I accept that it is of American origin but it has been a part of British English for at least 50 years.
– BoldBen
9 hours ago
3
3
As a Hiberno-English speaker, I've never heard a knobstick wedding. My initial reaction was that it was some kind of rude joke !
– k1eran
9 hours ago
As a Hiberno-English speaker, I've never heard a knobstick wedding. My initial reaction was that it was some kind of rude joke !
– k1eran
9 hours ago
|
show 3 more comments
Nowadays, British English speakers may also use "shotgun wedding."
The British National Corpus has a large number of samples of British English through the mid-1990s. Here are the three results that come up for shotgun wedding.
. Of course somebody, Who Shall Be Nameless, would bring up the subject of Burns-And-You-Know-What, and how many of his children were born on The Wrong Side Of The Blanket, What Right Had We to look down on Brown Owl for her shotgun wedding when we were all supposed to look up to Rabbie Burns as Our Big Hero? (True Confessions and New Cliches. Lochhead, Liz. Edinburgh, Polygon Books, 1985.)
There was some speculation about alternatives, with some canvassing the claims of Derby and Salisbury and others imploring Lloyd George to take over the leadership and unite the parties in a shotgun wedding, but Austen's claims were undeniable. (John Ramsden, The Age of Balfour and Baldwin 1902-1940. Longman Group UK, 1978.)
In this sense May 1968 was the price de Gaulle paid for his attempt at a shotgun wedding between French industry and the twentieth century. (John Harrison, Andrew Glyn, and Philip Armstrong. Capitalism Since 1945. Oxford: Blackwell, 1991.)
Notably, the latter two examples use shotgun wedding figuratively in political contexts to describe forcing together two disparate groups for the sake of appearance or political exigence. The fact that they're used, in a way that presumes familiarity by the audience, suggests the phrase is known and used among British English speakers. The Hansard Corpus, a corpus of British parliamentary records from 1803 to 2005, features the usage several times starting in the 1950s:
We have to suffer or enjoy sharing the service with Northern Ireland; it is a marriage of convenience, or perhaps a shotgun wedding, but we should like a divorce from Northern Ireland as quickly as possible (23 May 1957, House of Commons, Mr. George Chetwynd)
The corpus has 29 results total, and the usage seems about equally common from the 1960s onward.
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Nowadays, British English speakers may also use "shotgun wedding."
The British National Corpus has a large number of samples of British English through the mid-1990s. Here are the three results that come up for shotgun wedding.
. Of course somebody, Who Shall Be Nameless, would bring up the subject of Burns-And-You-Know-What, and how many of his children were born on The Wrong Side Of The Blanket, What Right Had We to look down on Brown Owl for her shotgun wedding when we were all supposed to look up to Rabbie Burns as Our Big Hero? (True Confessions and New Cliches. Lochhead, Liz. Edinburgh, Polygon Books, 1985.)
There was some speculation about alternatives, with some canvassing the claims of Derby and Salisbury and others imploring Lloyd George to take over the leadership and unite the parties in a shotgun wedding, but Austen's claims were undeniable. (John Ramsden, The Age of Balfour and Baldwin 1902-1940. Longman Group UK, 1978.)
In this sense May 1968 was the price de Gaulle paid for his attempt at a shotgun wedding between French industry and the twentieth century. (John Harrison, Andrew Glyn, and Philip Armstrong. Capitalism Since 1945. Oxford: Blackwell, 1991.)
Notably, the latter two examples use shotgun wedding figuratively in political contexts to describe forcing together two disparate groups for the sake of appearance or political exigence. The fact that they're used, in a way that presumes familiarity by the audience, suggests the phrase is known and used among British English speakers. The Hansard Corpus, a corpus of British parliamentary records from 1803 to 2005, features the usage several times starting in the 1950s:
We have to suffer or enjoy sharing the service with Northern Ireland; it is a marriage of convenience, or perhaps a shotgun wedding, but we should like a divorce from Northern Ireland as quickly as possible (23 May 1957, House of Commons, Mr. George Chetwynd)
The corpus has 29 results total, and the usage seems about equally common from the 1960s onward.
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Nowadays, British English speakers may also use "shotgun wedding."
The British National Corpus has a large number of samples of British English through the mid-1990s. Here are the three results that come up for shotgun wedding.
. Of course somebody, Who Shall Be Nameless, would bring up the subject of Burns-And-You-Know-What, and how many of his children were born on The Wrong Side Of The Blanket, What Right Had We to look down on Brown Owl for her shotgun wedding when we were all supposed to look up to Rabbie Burns as Our Big Hero? (True Confessions and New Cliches. Lochhead, Liz. Edinburgh, Polygon Books, 1985.)
There was some speculation about alternatives, with some canvassing the claims of Derby and Salisbury and others imploring Lloyd George to take over the leadership and unite the parties in a shotgun wedding, but Austen's claims were undeniable. (John Ramsden, The Age of Balfour and Baldwin 1902-1940. Longman Group UK, 1978.)
In this sense May 1968 was the price de Gaulle paid for his attempt at a shotgun wedding between French industry and the twentieth century. (John Harrison, Andrew Glyn, and Philip Armstrong. Capitalism Since 1945. Oxford: Blackwell, 1991.)
Notably, the latter two examples use shotgun wedding figuratively in political contexts to describe forcing together two disparate groups for the sake of appearance or political exigence. The fact that they're used, in a way that presumes familiarity by the audience, suggests the phrase is known and used among British English speakers. The Hansard Corpus, a corpus of British parliamentary records from 1803 to 2005, features the usage several times starting in the 1950s:
We have to suffer or enjoy sharing the service with Northern Ireland; it is a marriage of convenience, or perhaps a shotgun wedding, but we should like a divorce from Northern Ireland as quickly as possible (23 May 1957, House of Commons, Mr. George Chetwynd)
The corpus has 29 results total, and the usage seems about equally common from the 1960s onward.
Nowadays, British English speakers may also use "shotgun wedding."
The British National Corpus has a large number of samples of British English through the mid-1990s. Here are the three results that come up for shotgun wedding.
. Of course somebody, Who Shall Be Nameless, would bring up the subject of Burns-And-You-Know-What, and how many of his children were born on The Wrong Side Of The Blanket, What Right Had We to look down on Brown Owl for her shotgun wedding when we were all supposed to look up to Rabbie Burns as Our Big Hero? (True Confessions and New Cliches. Lochhead, Liz. Edinburgh, Polygon Books, 1985.)
There was some speculation about alternatives, with some canvassing the claims of Derby and Salisbury and others imploring Lloyd George to take over the leadership and unite the parties in a shotgun wedding, but Austen's claims were undeniable. (John Ramsden, The Age of Balfour and Baldwin 1902-1940. Longman Group UK, 1978.)
In this sense May 1968 was the price de Gaulle paid for his attempt at a shotgun wedding between French industry and the twentieth century. (John Harrison, Andrew Glyn, and Philip Armstrong. Capitalism Since 1945. Oxford: Blackwell, 1991.)
Notably, the latter two examples use shotgun wedding figuratively in political contexts to describe forcing together two disparate groups for the sake of appearance or political exigence. The fact that they're used, in a way that presumes familiarity by the audience, suggests the phrase is known and used among British English speakers. The Hansard Corpus, a corpus of British parliamentary records from 1803 to 2005, features the usage several times starting in the 1950s:
We have to suffer or enjoy sharing the service with Northern Ireland; it is a marriage of convenience, or perhaps a shotgun wedding, but we should like a divorce from Northern Ireland as quickly as possible (23 May 1957, House of Commons, Mr. George Chetwynd)
The corpus has 29 results total, and the usage seems about equally common from the 1960s onward.
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