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tl;dr: How do I make this wiring meet code, or at least safer?



The pic below is inside one of my kitchen cabinets. Once upon a time the stove was located below these cabinets, and that wire must have run to an exhaust fan (note the metal vent in the pic). The stove had been moved to another spot by the time I bought the house, but the wire is still in the cabinet and still live.



When I bought the house the wire (old 2-wire NM, no ground) ran to a light fixture on the underside of the cabinet, but there was no junction box at all. Just exposed pigtails inside the cabinet. I'd like to improve things here, so what can I do, short of running a brand new wire with a ground through the wall? I figure putting the pigtails in an actual junction box would be a good place to start.



I plan on staying in the house for a few more years, so I'm more concerned with safety than exactly meeting code.



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    Is your goal to just leave those wires in the cabinet unused, but in a safe manner - or would you like to utilize them for the light fixture again?

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tl;dr: How do I make this wiring meet code, or at least safer?



The pic below is inside one of my kitchen cabinets. Once upon a time the stove was located below these cabinets, and that wire must have run to an exhaust fan (note the metal vent in the pic). The stove had been moved to another spot by the time I bought the house, but the wire is still in the cabinet and still live.



When I bought the house the wire (old 2-wire NM, no ground) ran to a light fixture on the underside of the cabinet, but there was no junction box at all. Just exposed pigtails inside the cabinet. I'd like to improve things here, so what can I do, short of running a brand new wire with a ground through the wall? I figure putting the pigtails in an actual junction box would be a good place to start.



I plan on staying in the house for a few more years, so I'm more concerned with safety than exactly meeting code.



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    Is your goal to just leave those wires in the cabinet unused, but in a safe manner - or would you like to utilize them for the light fixture again?

    – PhilippNagel
    10 hours ago






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    @PhilippNagel I'd like to put the light fixture back, but it's not absolutely critical.

    – BradDaBug
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tl;dr: How do I make this wiring meet code, or at least safer?



The pic below is inside one of my kitchen cabinets. Once upon a time the stove was located below these cabinets, and that wire must have run to an exhaust fan (note the metal vent in the pic). The stove had been moved to another spot by the time I bought the house, but the wire is still in the cabinet and still live.



When I bought the house the wire (old 2-wire NM, no ground) ran to a light fixture on the underside of the cabinet, but there was no junction box at all. Just exposed pigtails inside the cabinet. I'd like to improve things here, so what can I do, short of running a brand new wire with a ground through the wall? I figure putting the pigtails in an actual junction box would be a good place to start.



I plan on staying in the house for a few more years, so I'm more concerned with safety than exactly meeting code.



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tl;dr: How do I make this wiring meet code, or at least safer?



The pic below is inside one of my kitchen cabinets. Once upon a time the stove was located below these cabinets, and that wire must have run to an exhaust fan (note the metal vent in the pic). The stove had been moved to another spot by the time I bought the house, but the wire is still in the cabinet and still live.



When I bought the house the wire (old 2-wire NM, no ground) ran to a light fixture on the underside of the cabinet, but there was no junction box at all. Just exposed pigtails inside the cabinet. I'd like to improve things here, so what can I do, short of running a brand new wire with a ground through the wall? I figure putting the pigtails in an actual junction box would be a good place to start.



I plan on staying in the house for a few more years, so I'm more concerned with safety than exactly meeting code.



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  • 1





    Is your goal to just leave those wires in the cabinet unused, but in a safe manner - or would you like to utilize them for the light fixture again?

    – PhilippNagel
    10 hours ago






  • 1





    @PhilippNagel I'd like to put the light fixture back, but it's not absolutely critical.

    – BradDaBug
    10 hours ago














  • 1





    Is your goal to just leave those wires in the cabinet unused, but in a safe manner - or would you like to utilize them for the light fixture again?

    – PhilippNagel
    10 hours ago






  • 1





    @PhilippNagel I'd like to put the light fixture back, but it's not absolutely critical.

    – BradDaBug
    10 hours ago








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Is your goal to just leave those wires in the cabinet unused, but in a safe manner - or would you like to utilize them for the light fixture again?

– PhilippNagel
10 hours ago





Is your goal to just leave those wires in the cabinet unused, but in a safe manner - or would you like to utilize them for the light fixture again?

– PhilippNagel
10 hours ago




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@PhilippNagel I'd like to put the light fixture back, but it's not absolutely critical.

– BradDaBug
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@PhilippNagel I'd like to put the light fixture back, but it's not absolutely critical.

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There is nothing you can do with old wiring that doesn't meet code that will make it meet code. Old NM cable with no ground may have been "grandfathered" into an existing building, so long as you don't alter it. But that would not apply here because the WAY it was done was never per code.



Do you really need a circuit there? I would just find out where it comes from and disconnect it there, then pull it out. If you DO want another circuit there, you can attach new NM cable with a ground to the end of this before pulling it out, then get an "old work box" that can be mounted into the wall properly. An old work box is designed to go into a cut-out in the wall, then has "molly bolt" type fasteners that turn behind the wall and snug up against the back of it to hold the box in place (make sure you put the wire through the KO first!). Once the wire is in there, you can put in a receptacle for a light, fan etc.






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    If it's stapled anywhere it probably won't pull.

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  • True, but given that the original installer didn't seem to have any regard for doing things right, it's likely not stapled anywhere either!

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    Whomever moved the stove and removed the old fixture made a mess, but the wire is probably original and fastened if it is.

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You may want to find what the local code says about such and follow it. I think just putting it "properly" in a metal box should be sufficient. Be sure the box is secure, the wires is clamped in the box and the caps are left on. As an extra measurement you could even cap them and then run electrical tape around them to ensure the caps won't fall off. Be sure to put a cover over the box when all done. Writing on the cover of what it is can't hurt either. If it is on its own circuit you could even turn the breaker off after this and label in the breaker as well.






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    Sounds like you don't want the wire.



    First figure out which breaker that circuit is on.



    Turn off the breaker, see what other things go off. Put a harmonic tracer on the wire, find where it junctions and disconnect it there.



    Typically fanhoods are on a circuit with other items. Once you have it disconnected in the box you could cut it back to the knock out and push it through so it could never be energized again then you could cut the wire in the cabinet back to where it penetrates the cabinet.



    Or go with your plan put a box with a cover and wire nuts and leave it live.






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      Meeting your request for safety, and ranked best to worst:




      1. Trip and remove the breaker, replacing it with an appropriate position plug (other circuits may be on the breaker, preventing this).


      2. Disconnect the wire from wherever it goes (the breaker, an outlet, etc.) and pull it out (it may be stapled, preventing this).


      3. (After temporarily tripping breaker): Thread wire into a junction box with a stress-relief connector. Position the box as close to the hole in the wall as possible. Re-cap the wires, wrap with electrical tape. Screw to the wall and affix face plate.


      4. (After temporarily tripping breaker): Wrap a few turns around the wire nuts with electrical wire, then wrap the entire NM from where the outer insulation was stripped away to and including the wire nuts.



      As others have mentioned, there isn't a code-happy solution here. However, solutions (1)-(3) will pass a home inspection when you sell the home. (4) might not. It will depend on the inspector.






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        There is nothing you can do with old wiring that doesn't meet code that will make it meet code. Old NM cable with no ground may have been "grandfathered" into an existing building, so long as you don't alter it. But that would not apply here because the WAY it was done was never per code.



        Do you really need a circuit there? I would just find out where it comes from and disconnect it there, then pull it out. If you DO want another circuit there, you can attach new NM cable with a ground to the end of this before pulling it out, then get an "old work box" that can be mounted into the wall properly. An old work box is designed to go into a cut-out in the wall, then has "molly bolt" type fasteners that turn behind the wall and snug up against the back of it to hold the box in place (make sure you put the wire through the KO first!). Once the wire is in there, you can put in a receptacle for a light, fan etc.






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          If it's stapled anywhere it probably won't pull.

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        • True, but given that the original installer didn't seem to have any regard for doing things right, it's likely not stapled anywhere either!

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          Whomever moved the stove and removed the old fixture made a mess, but the wire is probably original and fastened if it is.

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        There is nothing you can do with old wiring that doesn't meet code that will make it meet code. Old NM cable with no ground may have been "grandfathered" into an existing building, so long as you don't alter it. But that would not apply here because the WAY it was done was never per code.



        Do you really need a circuit there? I would just find out where it comes from and disconnect it there, then pull it out. If you DO want another circuit there, you can attach new NM cable with a ground to the end of this before pulling it out, then get an "old work box" that can be mounted into the wall properly. An old work box is designed to go into a cut-out in the wall, then has "molly bolt" type fasteners that turn behind the wall and snug up against the back of it to hold the box in place (make sure you put the wire through the KO first!). Once the wire is in there, you can put in a receptacle for a light, fan etc.






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          If it's stapled anywhere it probably won't pull.

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        • True, but given that the original installer didn't seem to have any regard for doing things right, it's likely not stapled anywhere either!

          – J. Raefield
          5 hours ago






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          Whomever moved the stove and removed the old fixture made a mess, but the wire is probably original and fastened if it is.

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        There is nothing you can do with old wiring that doesn't meet code that will make it meet code. Old NM cable with no ground may have been "grandfathered" into an existing building, so long as you don't alter it. But that would not apply here because the WAY it was done was never per code.



        Do you really need a circuit there? I would just find out where it comes from and disconnect it there, then pull it out. If you DO want another circuit there, you can attach new NM cable with a ground to the end of this before pulling it out, then get an "old work box" that can be mounted into the wall properly. An old work box is designed to go into a cut-out in the wall, then has "molly bolt" type fasteners that turn behind the wall and snug up against the back of it to hold the box in place (make sure you put the wire through the KO first!). Once the wire is in there, you can put in a receptacle for a light, fan etc.






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        There is nothing you can do with old wiring that doesn't meet code that will make it meet code. Old NM cable with no ground may have been "grandfathered" into an existing building, so long as you don't alter it. But that would not apply here because the WAY it was done was never per code.



        Do you really need a circuit there? I would just find out where it comes from and disconnect it there, then pull it out. If you DO want another circuit there, you can attach new NM cable with a ground to the end of this before pulling it out, then get an "old work box" that can be mounted into the wall properly. An old work box is designed to go into a cut-out in the wall, then has "molly bolt" type fasteners that turn behind the wall and snug up against the back of it to hold the box in place (make sure you put the wire through the KO first!). Once the wire is in there, you can put in a receptacle for a light, fan etc.







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          If it's stapled anywhere it probably won't pull.

          – J...
          6 hours ago











        • True, but given that the original installer didn't seem to have any regard for doing things right, it's likely not stapled anywhere either!

          – J. Raefield
          5 hours ago






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          Whomever moved the stove and removed the old fixture made a mess, but the wire is probably original and fastened if it is.

          – J...
          5 hours ago














        • 2





          If it's stapled anywhere it probably won't pull.

          – J...
          6 hours ago











        • True, but given that the original installer didn't seem to have any regard for doing things right, it's likely not stapled anywhere either!

          – J. Raefield
          5 hours ago






        • 3





          Whomever moved the stove and removed the old fixture made a mess, but the wire is probably original and fastened if it is.

          – J...
          5 hours ago








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        If it's stapled anywhere it probably won't pull.

        – J...
        6 hours ago





        If it's stapled anywhere it probably won't pull.

        – J...
        6 hours ago













        True, but given that the original installer didn't seem to have any regard for doing things right, it's likely not stapled anywhere either!

        – J. Raefield
        5 hours ago





        True, but given that the original installer didn't seem to have any regard for doing things right, it's likely not stapled anywhere either!

        – J. Raefield
        5 hours ago




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        Whomever moved the stove and removed the old fixture made a mess, but the wire is probably original and fastened if it is.

        – J...
        5 hours ago





        Whomever moved the stove and removed the old fixture made a mess, but the wire is probably original and fastened if it is.

        – J...
        5 hours ago













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        You may want to find what the local code says about such and follow it. I think just putting it "properly" in a metal box should be sufficient. Be sure the box is secure, the wires is clamped in the box and the caps are left on. As an extra measurement you could even cap them and then run electrical tape around them to ensure the caps won't fall off. Be sure to put a cover over the box when all done. Writing on the cover of what it is can't hurt either. If it is on its own circuit you could even turn the breaker off after this and label in the breaker as well.






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          You may want to find what the local code says about such and follow it. I think just putting it "properly" in a metal box should be sufficient. Be sure the box is secure, the wires is clamped in the box and the caps are left on. As an extra measurement you could even cap them and then run electrical tape around them to ensure the caps won't fall off. Be sure to put a cover over the box when all done. Writing on the cover of what it is can't hurt either. If it is on its own circuit you could even turn the breaker off after this and label in the breaker as well.






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            You may want to find what the local code says about such and follow it. I think just putting it "properly" in a metal box should be sufficient. Be sure the box is secure, the wires is clamped in the box and the caps are left on. As an extra measurement you could even cap them and then run electrical tape around them to ensure the caps won't fall off. Be sure to put a cover over the box when all done. Writing on the cover of what it is can't hurt either. If it is on its own circuit you could even turn the breaker off after this and label in the breaker as well.






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            You may want to find what the local code says about such and follow it. I think just putting it "properly" in a metal box should be sufficient. Be sure the box is secure, the wires is clamped in the box and the caps are left on. As an extra measurement you could even cap them and then run electrical tape around them to ensure the caps won't fall off. Be sure to put a cover over the box when all done. Writing on the cover of what it is can't hurt either. If it is on its own circuit you could even turn the breaker off after this and label in the breaker as well.







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                Sounds like you don't want the wire.



                First figure out which breaker that circuit is on.



                Turn off the breaker, see what other things go off. Put a harmonic tracer on the wire, find where it junctions and disconnect it there.



                Typically fanhoods are on a circuit with other items. Once you have it disconnected in the box you could cut it back to the knock out and push it through so it could never be energized again then you could cut the wire in the cabinet back to where it penetrates the cabinet.



                Or go with your plan put a box with a cover and wire nuts and leave it live.






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                  Sounds like you don't want the wire.



                  First figure out which breaker that circuit is on.



                  Turn off the breaker, see what other things go off. Put a harmonic tracer on the wire, find where it junctions and disconnect it there.



                  Typically fanhoods are on a circuit with other items. Once you have it disconnected in the box you could cut it back to the knock out and push it through so it could never be energized again then you could cut the wire in the cabinet back to where it penetrates the cabinet.



                  Or go with your plan put a box with a cover and wire nuts and leave it live.






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                    Sounds like you don't want the wire.



                    First figure out which breaker that circuit is on.



                    Turn off the breaker, see what other things go off. Put a harmonic tracer on the wire, find where it junctions and disconnect it there.



                    Typically fanhoods are on a circuit with other items. Once you have it disconnected in the box you could cut it back to the knock out and push it through so it could never be energized again then you could cut the wire in the cabinet back to where it penetrates the cabinet.



                    Or go with your plan put a box with a cover and wire nuts and leave it live.






                    share|improve this answer













                    Sounds like you don't want the wire.



                    First figure out which breaker that circuit is on.



                    Turn off the breaker, see what other things go off. Put a harmonic tracer on the wire, find where it junctions and disconnect it there.



                    Typically fanhoods are on a circuit with other items. Once you have it disconnected in the box you could cut it back to the knock out and push it through so it could never be energized again then you could cut the wire in the cabinet back to where it penetrates the cabinet.



                    Or go with your plan put a box with a cover and wire nuts and leave it live.







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                        Meeting your request for safety, and ranked best to worst:




                        1. Trip and remove the breaker, replacing it with an appropriate position plug (other circuits may be on the breaker, preventing this).


                        2. Disconnect the wire from wherever it goes (the breaker, an outlet, etc.) and pull it out (it may be stapled, preventing this).


                        3. (After temporarily tripping breaker): Thread wire into a junction box with a stress-relief connector. Position the box as close to the hole in the wall as possible. Re-cap the wires, wrap with electrical tape. Screw to the wall and affix face plate.


                        4. (After temporarily tripping breaker): Wrap a few turns around the wire nuts with electrical wire, then wrap the entire NM from where the outer insulation was stripped away to and including the wire nuts.



                        As others have mentioned, there isn't a code-happy solution here. However, solutions (1)-(3) will pass a home inspection when you sell the home. (4) might not. It will depend on the inspector.






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                          Meeting your request for safety, and ranked best to worst:




                          1. Trip and remove the breaker, replacing it with an appropriate position plug (other circuits may be on the breaker, preventing this).


                          2. Disconnect the wire from wherever it goes (the breaker, an outlet, etc.) and pull it out (it may be stapled, preventing this).


                          3. (After temporarily tripping breaker): Thread wire into a junction box with a stress-relief connector. Position the box as close to the hole in the wall as possible. Re-cap the wires, wrap with electrical tape. Screw to the wall and affix face plate.


                          4. (After temporarily tripping breaker): Wrap a few turns around the wire nuts with electrical wire, then wrap the entire NM from where the outer insulation was stripped away to and including the wire nuts.



                          As others have mentioned, there isn't a code-happy solution here. However, solutions (1)-(3) will pass a home inspection when you sell the home. (4) might not. It will depend on the inspector.






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                            Meeting your request for safety, and ranked best to worst:




                            1. Trip and remove the breaker, replacing it with an appropriate position plug (other circuits may be on the breaker, preventing this).


                            2. Disconnect the wire from wherever it goes (the breaker, an outlet, etc.) and pull it out (it may be stapled, preventing this).


                            3. (After temporarily tripping breaker): Thread wire into a junction box with a stress-relief connector. Position the box as close to the hole in the wall as possible. Re-cap the wires, wrap with electrical tape. Screw to the wall and affix face plate.


                            4. (After temporarily tripping breaker): Wrap a few turns around the wire nuts with electrical wire, then wrap the entire NM from where the outer insulation was stripped away to and including the wire nuts.



                            As others have mentioned, there isn't a code-happy solution here. However, solutions (1)-(3) will pass a home inspection when you sell the home. (4) might not. It will depend on the inspector.






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                            Meeting your request for safety, and ranked best to worst:




                            1. Trip and remove the breaker, replacing it with an appropriate position plug (other circuits may be on the breaker, preventing this).


                            2. Disconnect the wire from wherever it goes (the breaker, an outlet, etc.) and pull it out (it may be stapled, preventing this).


                            3. (After temporarily tripping breaker): Thread wire into a junction box with a stress-relief connector. Position the box as close to the hole in the wall as possible. Re-cap the wires, wrap with electrical tape. Screw to the wall and affix face plate.


                            4. (After temporarily tripping breaker): Wrap a few turns around the wire nuts with electrical wire, then wrap the entire NM from where the outer insulation was stripped away to and including the wire nuts.



                            As others have mentioned, there isn't a code-happy solution here. However, solutions (1)-(3) will pass a home inspection when you sell the home. (4) might not. It will depend on the inspector.







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