Creative Commons useage question!copyrighted midi files vs public domain midi files under public domain or...
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Creative Commons useage question!
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Anyone with a music studio can easily download a .midi file from the internet, and then use it to produce a musical track. A midi file exists online for almost every song in the world, and you can do a song title search along with the keyword midi. It's often an entire arrangement, everything one needs to produce a full blown song, all you need is further programming and studio equipment. One triggers various synthesizers to perform the contents of these .midi files, and it sounds like music.
Midi files contain every note that every instrument in the orchestra plays. Is this "art" or merely raw data? If I can obtain this data online, I won't have a lengthy data entry phase or need to do any composing, but it doesn't sound ethical or legal.
I'd have to get a license from the publisher to sell this new recording, of course. But what about for using someone else's midi from the internet? How do I handle credit or licensing here?
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Anyone with a music studio can easily download a .midi file from the internet, and then use it to produce a musical track. A midi file exists online for almost every song in the world, and you can do a song title search along with the keyword midi. It's often an entire arrangement, everything one needs to produce a full blown song, all you need is further programming and studio equipment. One triggers various synthesizers to perform the contents of these .midi files, and it sounds like music.
Midi files contain every note that every instrument in the orchestra plays. Is this "art" or merely raw data? If I can obtain this data online, I won't have a lengthy data entry phase or need to do any composing, but it doesn't sound ethical or legal.
I'd have to get a license from the publisher to sell this new recording, of course. But what about for using someone else's midi from the internet? How do I handle credit or licensing here?
music
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How do you intend to use it?
– Putvi
7 hours ago
No different from sheet music. Some of this copyrighted, but not because of the music itself, but to protect the work of transcribing or arranging it. Plenty of it is free too. You can certainly use it for a performance, but you need to get separate license from the owner of the actual music.
– Hilmar
4 hours ago
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Anyone with a music studio can easily download a .midi file from the internet, and then use it to produce a musical track. A midi file exists online for almost every song in the world, and you can do a song title search along with the keyword midi. It's often an entire arrangement, everything one needs to produce a full blown song, all you need is further programming and studio equipment. One triggers various synthesizers to perform the contents of these .midi files, and it sounds like music.
Midi files contain every note that every instrument in the orchestra plays. Is this "art" or merely raw data? If I can obtain this data online, I won't have a lengthy data entry phase or need to do any composing, but it doesn't sound ethical or legal.
I'd have to get a license from the publisher to sell this new recording, of course. But what about for using someone else's midi from the internet? How do I handle credit or licensing here?
music
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Anyone with a music studio can easily download a .midi file from the internet, and then use it to produce a musical track. A midi file exists online for almost every song in the world, and you can do a song title search along with the keyword midi. It's often an entire arrangement, everything one needs to produce a full blown song, all you need is further programming and studio equipment. One triggers various synthesizers to perform the contents of these .midi files, and it sounds like music.
Midi files contain every note that every instrument in the orchestra plays. Is this "art" or merely raw data? If I can obtain this data online, I won't have a lengthy data entry phase or need to do any composing, but it doesn't sound ethical or legal.
I'd have to get a license from the publisher to sell this new recording, of course. But what about for using someone else's midi from the internet? How do I handle credit or licensing here?
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How do you intend to use it?
– Putvi
7 hours ago
No different from sheet music. Some of this copyrighted, but not because of the music itself, but to protect the work of transcribing or arranging it. Plenty of it is free too. You can certainly use it for a performance, but you need to get separate license from the owner of the actual music.
– Hilmar
4 hours ago
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How do you intend to use it?
– Putvi
7 hours ago
No different from sheet music. Some of this copyrighted, but not because of the music itself, but to protect the work of transcribing or arranging it. Plenty of it is free too. You can certainly use it for a performance, but you need to get separate license from the owner of the actual music.
– Hilmar
4 hours ago
How do you intend to use it?
– Putvi
7 hours ago
How do you intend to use it?
– Putvi
7 hours ago
No different from sheet music. Some of this copyrighted, but not because of the music itself, but to protect the work of transcribing or arranging it. Plenty of it is free too. You can certainly use it for a performance, but you need to get separate license from the owner of the actual music.
– Hilmar
4 hours ago
No different from sheet music. Some of this copyrighted, but not because of the music itself, but to protect the work of transcribing or arranging it. Plenty of it is free too. You can certainly use it for a performance, but you need to get separate license from the owner of the actual music.
– Hilmar
4 hours ago
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Basically, the rules of preforming the song will be the same whether you preform the song or a computer does as far as copyright laws.
If you can't play a song publicly or record it the computer can not either etc, etc.
It is hard to answer more specifically without knowing what you intend to do.
Hi putvi, thank you for the insight. Because this midi represents the normal work that a composer would have to put into creating a musical track from scratch. It's a different issue than needing a mechanical license. I'm wondering if it's the same thing as "you can't copyright a musical arrangement?" I'm talking about using a free midi file I've found online to create an orchestral track that I can sing on vs. creating that orchestral track myself. This means i don't have to compose anything myself...the computer will do everything w/ midi data, but I didn't create this data.
– Nardooncis Butterfield
6 hours ago
But the output is sound either way and that is what is protected, not the way its done.
– Putvi
6 hours ago
"Not the way it's done." OK, thanks! Now let's just suppose that i've found a midi file of a Jimi Hendrix guitar solo. I get permission from publisher to release a new recording. I google "Jimi Hendrix famousguitar solo midi," and I find a file. You see, someone else transcribed and programmed this midi for this musical passage. Not me. Isn't it THEIR musical artistry at work, and not mine? I wanted to be sure I'm not stealing. But I think you're saying compensating or crediting this element of production isnt' necessary?
– Nardooncis Butterfield
6 hours ago
No, I am saying that just like a famous solo is copyrighted if you or I play it, its copyrighted if you or the computer plays it. The song is copyrighted in any form ,if copyrighted.
– Putvi
6 hours ago
Sorry if I'm being unclear. I'm asking a very specific question about the rights of the person who created the midi data. In this scenario, the computer is playing midi data that's been created by someone else, and I'd be using it to make a record. I assume they have rights, because it is a ton of work. If I did this in literature w/words and didn't offer proper citation, it would be plagiarism, I think?
– Nardooncis Butterfield
4 hours ago
add a comment |
The midi is an artistic work and protected by copyright just as sheet music or an actual recording would be.
It’s possible, even likely, that a midi file running free on the internet is itself an infringing copy. If so, any purported licence is worthless. The onus is on you to validate a clear licensing chain from you back to the copyright holder of both the midi file creator and the music itself - the midi is a derivative work of the music with its own copyright (assuming it was legally created). The midi file has copyright protection even if the original music has entered the public domain.
Yes, to this. It's the way to go.
– Putvi
6 hours ago
Dale M, thank you for your input here too. But what about public domain music? There's a website called IMSLP and you can download midi files of a Mozart and Bach score, and then assign them to synthesizers and get a performance. The music is public domain. But there was a person who entered all the data into the computer. I am asking about that person's rights. The FAQs at creative commons and at IMSLP don't cover this. It's nothing to do with the publishing aspect of the song title...this is a production question...it's more like an issue akin to plagiarism.
– Nardooncis Butterfield
4 hours ago
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Basically, the rules of preforming the song will be the same whether you preform the song or a computer does as far as copyright laws.
If you can't play a song publicly or record it the computer can not either etc, etc.
It is hard to answer more specifically without knowing what you intend to do.
Hi putvi, thank you for the insight. Because this midi represents the normal work that a composer would have to put into creating a musical track from scratch. It's a different issue than needing a mechanical license. I'm wondering if it's the same thing as "you can't copyright a musical arrangement?" I'm talking about using a free midi file I've found online to create an orchestral track that I can sing on vs. creating that orchestral track myself. This means i don't have to compose anything myself...the computer will do everything w/ midi data, but I didn't create this data.
– Nardooncis Butterfield
6 hours ago
But the output is sound either way and that is what is protected, not the way its done.
– Putvi
6 hours ago
"Not the way it's done." OK, thanks! Now let's just suppose that i've found a midi file of a Jimi Hendrix guitar solo. I get permission from publisher to release a new recording. I google "Jimi Hendrix famousguitar solo midi," and I find a file. You see, someone else transcribed and programmed this midi for this musical passage. Not me. Isn't it THEIR musical artistry at work, and not mine? I wanted to be sure I'm not stealing. But I think you're saying compensating or crediting this element of production isnt' necessary?
– Nardooncis Butterfield
6 hours ago
No, I am saying that just like a famous solo is copyrighted if you or I play it, its copyrighted if you or the computer plays it. The song is copyrighted in any form ,if copyrighted.
– Putvi
6 hours ago
Sorry if I'm being unclear. I'm asking a very specific question about the rights of the person who created the midi data. In this scenario, the computer is playing midi data that's been created by someone else, and I'd be using it to make a record. I assume they have rights, because it is a ton of work. If I did this in literature w/words and didn't offer proper citation, it would be plagiarism, I think?
– Nardooncis Butterfield
4 hours ago
add a comment |
Basically, the rules of preforming the song will be the same whether you preform the song or a computer does as far as copyright laws.
If you can't play a song publicly or record it the computer can not either etc, etc.
It is hard to answer more specifically without knowing what you intend to do.
Hi putvi, thank you for the insight. Because this midi represents the normal work that a composer would have to put into creating a musical track from scratch. It's a different issue than needing a mechanical license. I'm wondering if it's the same thing as "you can't copyright a musical arrangement?" I'm talking about using a free midi file I've found online to create an orchestral track that I can sing on vs. creating that orchestral track myself. This means i don't have to compose anything myself...the computer will do everything w/ midi data, but I didn't create this data.
– Nardooncis Butterfield
6 hours ago
But the output is sound either way and that is what is protected, not the way its done.
– Putvi
6 hours ago
"Not the way it's done." OK, thanks! Now let's just suppose that i've found a midi file of a Jimi Hendrix guitar solo. I get permission from publisher to release a new recording. I google "Jimi Hendrix famousguitar solo midi," and I find a file. You see, someone else transcribed and programmed this midi for this musical passage. Not me. Isn't it THEIR musical artistry at work, and not mine? I wanted to be sure I'm not stealing. But I think you're saying compensating or crediting this element of production isnt' necessary?
– Nardooncis Butterfield
6 hours ago
No, I am saying that just like a famous solo is copyrighted if you or I play it, its copyrighted if you or the computer plays it. The song is copyrighted in any form ,if copyrighted.
– Putvi
6 hours ago
Sorry if I'm being unclear. I'm asking a very specific question about the rights of the person who created the midi data. In this scenario, the computer is playing midi data that's been created by someone else, and I'd be using it to make a record. I assume they have rights, because it is a ton of work. If I did this in literature w/words and didn't offer proper citation, it would be plagiarism, I think?
– Nardooncis Butterfield
4 hours ago
add a comment |
Basically, the rules of preforming the song will be the same whether you preform the song or a computer does as far as copyright laws.
If you can't play a song publicly or record it the computer can not either etc, etc.
It is hard to answer more specifically without knowing what you intend to do.
Basically, the rules of preforming the song will be the same whether you preform the song or a computer does as far as copyright laws.
If you can't play a song publicly or record it the computer can not either etc, etc.
It is hard to answer more specifically without knowing what you intend to do.
answered 7 hours ago
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Hi putvi, thank you for the insight. Because this midi represents the normal work that a composer would have to put into creating a musical track from scratch. It's a different issue than needing a mechanical license. I'm wondering if it's the same thing as "you can't copyright a musical arrangement?" I'm talking about using a free midi file I've found online to create an orchestral track that I can sing on vs. creating that orchestral track myself. This means i don't have to compose anything myself...the computer will do everything w/ midi data, but I didn't create this data.
– Nardooncis Butterfield
6 hours ago
But the output is sound either way and that is what is protected, not the way its done.
– Putvi
6 hours ago
"Not the way it's done." OK, thanks! Now let's just suppose that i've found a midi file of a Jimi Hendrix guitar solo. I get permission from publisher to release a new recording. I google "Jimi Hendrix famousguitar solo midi," and I find a file. You see, someone else transcribed and programmed this midi for this musical passage. Not me. Isn't it THEIR musical artistry at work, and not mine? I wanted to be sure I'm not stealing. But I think you're saying compensating or crediting this element of production isnt' necessary?
– Nardooncis Butterfield
6 hours ago
No, I am saying that just like a famous solo is copyrighted if you or I play it, its copyrighted if you or the computer plays it. The song is copyrighted in any form ,if copyrighted.
– Putvi
6 hours ago
Sorry if I'm being unclear. I'm asking a very specific question about the rights of the person who created the midi data. In this scenario, the computer is playing midi data that's been created by someone else, and I'd be using it to make a record. I assume they have rights, because it is a ton of work. If I did this in literature w/words and didn't offer proper citation, it would be plagiarism, I think?
– Nardooncis Butterfield
4 hours ago
add a comment |
Hi putvi, thank you for the insight. Because this midi represents the normal work that a composer would have to put into creating a musical track from scratch. It's a different issue than needing a mechanical license. I'm wondering if it's the same thing as "you can't copyright a musical arrangement?" I'm talking about using a free midi file I've found online to create an orchestral track that I can sing on vs. creating that orchestral track myself. This means i don't have to compose anything myself...the computer will do everything w/ midi data, but I didn't create this data.
– Nardooncis Butterfield
6 hours ago
But the output is sound either way and that is what is protected, not the way its done.
– Putvi
6 hours ago
"Not the way it's done." OK, thanks! Now let's just suppose that i've found a midi file of a Jimi Hendrix guitar solo. I get permission from publisher to release a new recording. I google "Jimi Hendrix famousguitar solo midi," and I find a file. You see, someone else transcribed and programmed this midi for this musical passage. Not me. Isn't it THEIR musical artistry at work, and not mine? I wanted to be sure I'm not stealing. But I think you're saying compensating or crediting this element of production isnt' necessary?
– Nardooncis Butterfield
6 hours ago
No, I am saying that just like a famous solo is copyrighted if you or I play it, its copyrighted if you or the computer plays it. The song is copyrighted in any form ,if copyrighted.
– Putvi
6 hours ago
Sorry if I'm being unclear. I'm asking a very specific question about the rights of the person who created the midi data. In this scenario, the computer is playing midi data that's been created by someone else, and I'd be using it to make a record. I assume they have rights, because it is a ton of work. If I did this in literature w/words and didn't offer proper citation, it would be plagiarism, I think?
– Nardooncis Butterfield
4 hours ago
Hi putvi, thank you for the insight. Because this midi represents the normal work that a composer would have to put into creating a musical track from scratch. It's a different issue than needing a mechanical license. I'm wondering if it's the same thing as "you can't copyright a musical arrangement?" I'm talking about using a free midi file I've found online to create an orchestral track that I can sing on vs. creating that orchestral track myself. This means i don't have to compose anything myself...the computer will do everything w/ midi data, but I didn't create this data.
– Nardooncis Butterfield
6 hours ago
Hi putvi, thank you for the insight. Because this midi represents the normal work that a composer would have to put into creating a musical track from scratch. It's a different issue than needing a mechanical license. I'm wondering if it's the same thing as "you can't copyright a musical arrangement?" I'm talking about using a free midi file I've found online to create an orchestral track that I can sing on vs. creating that orchestral track myself. This means i don't have to compose anything myself...the computer will do everything w/ midi data, but I didn't create this data.
– Nardooncis Butterfield
6 hours ago
But the output is sound either way and that is what is protected, not the way its done.
– Putvi
6 hours ago
But the output is sound either way and that is what is protected, not the way its done.
– Putvi
6 hours ago
"Not the way it's done." OK, thanks! Now let's just suppose that i've found a midi file of a Jimi Hendrix guitar solo. I get permission from publisher to release a new recording. I google "Jimi Hendrix famousguitar solo midi," and I find a file. You see, someone else transcribed and programmed this midi for this musical passage. Not me. Isn't it THEIR musical artistry at work, and not mine? I wanted to be sure I'm not stealing. But I think you're saying compensating or crediting this element of production isnt' necessary?
– Nardooncis Butterfield
6 hours ago
"Not the way it's done." OK, thanks! Now let's just suppose that i've found a midi file of a Jimi Hendrix guitar solo. I get permission from publisher to release a new recording. I google "Jimi Hendrix famousguitar solo midi," and I find a file. You see, someone else transcribed and programmed this midi for this musical passage. Not me. Isn't it THEIR musical artistry at work, and not mine? I wanted to be sure I'm not stealing. But I think you're saying compensating or crediting this element of production isnt' necessary?
– Nardooncis Butterfield
6 hours ago
No, I am saying that just like a famous solo is copyrighted if you or I play it, its copyrighted if you or the computer plays it. The song is copyrighted in any form ,if copyrighted.
– Putvi
6 hours ago
No, I am saying that just like a famous solo is copyrighted if you or I play it, its copyrighted if you or the computer plays it. The song is copyrighted in any form ,if copyrighted.
– Putvi
6 hours ago
Sorry if I'm being unclear. I'm asking a very specific question about the rights of the person who created the midi data. In this scenario, the computer is playing midi data that's been created by someone else, and I'd be using it to make a record. I assume they have rights, because it is a ton of work. If I did this in literature w/words and didn't offer proper citation, it would be plagiarism, I think?
– Nardooncis Butterfield
4 hours ago
Sorry if I'm being unclear. I'm asking a very specific question about the rights of the person who created the midi data. In this scenario, the computer is playing midi data that's been created by someone else, and I'd be using it to make a record. I assume they have rights, because it is a ton of work. If I did this in literature w/words and didn't offer proper citation, it would be plagiarism, I think?
– Nardooncis Butterfield
4 hours ago
add a comment |
The midi is an artistic work and protected by copyright just as sheet music or an actual recording would be.
It’s possible, even likely, that a midi file running free on the internet is itself an infringing copy. If so, any purported licence is worthless. The onus is on you to validate a clear licensing chain from you back to the copyright holder of both the midi file creator and the music itself - the midi is a derivative work of the music with its own copyright (assuming it was legally created). The midi file has copyright protection even if the original music has entered the public domain.
Yes, to this. It's the way to go.
– Putvi
6 hours ago
Dale M, thank you for your input here too. But what about public domain music? There's a website called IMSLP and you can download midi files of a Mozart and Bach score, and then assign them to synthesizers and get a performance. The music is public domain. But there was a person who entered all the data into the computer. I am asking about that person's rights. The FAQs at creative commons and at IMSLP don't cover this. It's nothing to do with the publishing aspect of the song title...this is a production question...it's more like an issue akin to plagiarism.
– Nardooncis Butterfield
4 hours ago
add a comment |
The midi is an artistic work and protected by copyright just as sheet music or an actual recording would be.
It’s possible, even likely, that a midi file running free on the internet is itself an infringing copy. If so, any purported licence is worthless. The onus is on you to validate a clear licensing chain from you back to the copyright holder of both the midi file creator and the music itself - the midi is a derivative work of the music with its own copyright (assuming it was legally created). The midi file has copyright protection even if the original music has entered the public domain.
Yes, to this. It's the way to go.
– Putvi
6 hours ago
Dale M, thank you for your input here too. But what about public domain music? There's a website called IMSLP and you can download midi files of a Mozart and Bach score, and then assign them to synthesizers and get a performance. The music is public domain. But there was a person who entered all the data into the computer. I am asking about that person's rights. The FAQs at creative commons and at IMSLP don't cover this. It's nothing to do with the publishing aspect of the song title...this is a production question...it's more like an issue akin to plagiarism.
– Nardooncis Butterfield
4 hours ago
add a comment |
The midi is an artistic work and protected by copyright just as sheet music or an actual recording would be.
It’s possible, even likely, that a midi file running free on the internet is itself an infringing copy. If so, any purported licence is worthless. The onus is on you to validate a clear licensing chain from you back to the copyright holder of both the midi file creator and the music itself - the midi is a derivative work of the music with its own copyright (assuming it was legally created). The midi file has copyright protection even if the original music has entered the public domain.
The midi is an artistic work and protected by copyright just as sheet music or an actual recording would be.
It’s possible, even likely, that a midi file running free on the internet is itself an infringing copy. If so, any purported licence is worthless. The onus is on you to validate a clear licensing chain from you back to the copyright holder of both the midi file creator and the music itself - the midi is a derivative work of the music with its own copyright (assuming it was legally created). The midi file has copyright protection even if the original music has entered the public domain.
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Dale MDale M
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Yes, to this. It's the way to go.
– Putvi
6 hours ago
Dale M, thank you for your input here too. But what about public domain music? There's a website called IMSLP and you can download midi files of a Mozart and Bach score, and then assign them to synthesizers and get a performance. The music is public domain. But there was a person who entered all the data into the computer. I am asking about that person's rights. The FAQs at creative commons and at IMSLP don't cover this. It's nothing to do with the publishing aspect of the song title...this is a production question...it's more like an issue akin to plagiarism.
– Nardooncis Butterfield
4 hours ago
add a comment |
Yes, to this. It's the way to go.
– Putvi
6 hours ago
Dale M, thank you for your input here too. But what about public domain music? There's a website called IMSLP and you can download midi files of a Mozart and Bach score, and then assign them to synthesizers and get a performance. The music is public domain. But there was a person who entered all the data into the computer. I am asking about that person's rights. The FAQs at creative commons and at IMSLP don't cover this. It's nothing to do with the publishing aspect of the song title...this is a production question...it's more like an issue akin to plagiarism.
– Nardooncis Butterfield
4 hours ago
Yes, to this. It's the way to go.
– Putvi
6 hours ago
Yes, to this. It's the way to go.
– Putvi
6 hours ago
Dale M, thank you for your input here too. But what about public domain music? There's a website called IMSLP and you can download midi files of a Mozart and Bach score, and then assign them to synthesizers and get a performance. The music is public domain. But there was a person who entered all the data into the computer. I am asking about that person's rights. The FAQs at creative commons and at IMSLP don't cover this. It's nothing to do with the publishing aspect of the song title...this is a production question...it's more like an issue akin to plagiarism.
– Nardooncis Butterfield
4 hours ago
Dale M, thank you for your input here too. But what about public domain music? There's a website called IMSLP and you can download midi files of a Mozart and Bach score, and then assign them to synthesizers and get a performance. The music is public domain. But there was a person who entered all the data into the computer. I am asking about that person's rights. The FAQs at creative commons and at IMSLP don't cover this. It's nothing to do with the publishing aspect of the song title...this is a production question...it's more like an issue akin to plagiarism.
– Nardooncis Butterfield
4 hours ago
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– Putvi
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No different from sheet music. Some of this copyrighted, but not because of the music itself, but to protect the work of transcribing or arranging it. Plenty of it is free too. You can certainly use it for a performance, but you need to get separate license from the owner of the actual music.
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