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In Game of Thrones S08E05, we see that soldiers in the Northern army attacking the unarmed Lannister soldiers after they have surrendered. Jon is the warden of the North and he commands the Northern army to not attack. He tells them,
No. Get back. Get back
But no-one seems to obey it. Why did they not follow Jon's command?
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In Game of Thrones S08E05, we see that soldiers in the Northern army attacking the unarmed Lannister soldiers after they have surrendered. Jon is the warden of the North and he commands the Northern army to not attack. He tells them,
No. Get back. Get back
But no-one seems to obey it. Why did they not follow Jon's command?
plot-explanation game-of-thrones
edited 6 hours ago
Napoleon Wilson♦
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asked 7 hours ago
Kolappan NathanKolappan Nathan
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Jon doesn't command the unsullied, and they were the ones that started the attacking. The soldiers of the north got caught up in the free for all and the chaos. Even Jon himself was forced to attack the Lannister soldiers after the chaos began.
– sanpaco
7 hours ago
@sanpaco But we even see John killing one of his own soldiers to save a girl. Why is that necessary? Can he command him to let her go?
– Kolappan Nathan
6 hours ago
5
He tries to stop him first and the man turns on Jon, so he kills him. Again its chaos of war. There are no rules at that point, its a bloodbath and a free for all.
– sanpaco
6 hours ago
add a comment |
In Game of Thrones S08E05, we see that soldiers in the Northern army attacking the unarmed Lannister soldiers after they have surrendered. Jon is the warden of the North and he commands the Northern army to not attack. He tells them,
No. Get back. Get back
But no-one seems to obey it. Why did they not follow Jon's command?
plot-explanation game-of-thrones
edited 6 hours ago
Napoleon Wilson♦
42.6k44278534
asked 7 hours ago
Kolappan NathanKolappan Nathan
1,218720
In Game of Thrones S08E05, we see that soldiers in the Northern army attacking the unarmed Lannister soldiers after they have surrendered. Jon is the warden of the North and he commands the Northern army to not attack. He tells them,
No. Get back. Get back
But no-one seems to obey it. Why did they not follow Jon's command?
plot-explanation game-of-thrones
plot-explanation game-of-thrones
edited 6 hours ago
Napoleon Wilson♦
42.6k44278534
asked 7 hours ago
Kolappan NathanKolappan Nathan
1,218720
edited 6 hours ago
Napoleon Wilson♦
42.6k44278534
asked 7 hours ago
Kolappan NathanKolappan Nathan
1,218720
edited 6 hours ago
Napoleon Wilson♦
42.6k44278534
edited 6 hours ago
Napoleon Wilson♦
42.6k44278534
edited 6 hours ago
Napoleon Wilson♦
42.6k44278534
42.6k44278534
asked 7 hours ago
Kolappan NathanKolappan Nathan
1,218720
asked 7 hours ago
Kolappan NathanKolappan Nathan
1,218720
asked 7 hours ago
Kolappan NathanKolappan Nathan
1,218720
1,218720
11
Jon doesn't command the unsullied, and they were the ones that started the attacking. The soldiers of the north got caught up in the free for all and the chaos. Even Jon himself was forced to attack the Lannister soldiers after the chaos began.
– sanpaco
7 hours ago
@sanpaco But we even see John killing one of his own soldiers to save a girl. Why is that necessary? Can he command him to let her go?
– Kolappan Nathan
6 hours ago
5
He tries to stop him first and the man turns on Jon, so he kills him. Again its chaos of war. There are no rules at that point, its a bloodbath and a free for all.
– sanpaco
6 hours ago
add a comment |
11
Jon doesn't command the unsullied, and they were the ones that started the attacking. The soldiers of the north got caught up in the free for all and the chaos. Even Jon himself was forced to attack the Lannister soldiers after the chaos began.
– sanpaco
7 hours ago
@sanpaco But we even see John killing one of his own soldiers to save a girl. Why is that necessary? Can he command him to let her go?
– Kolappan Nathan
6 hours ago
5
He tries to stop him first and the man turns on Jon, so he kills him. Again its chaos of war. There are no rules at that point, its a bloodbath and a free for all.
– sanpaco
6 hours ago
11
11
Jon doesn't command the unsullied, and they were the ones that started the attacking. The soldiers of the north got caught up in the free for all and the chaos. Even Jon himself was forced to attack the Lannister soldiers after the chaos began.
– sanpaco
7 hours ago
Jon doesn't command the unsullied, and they were the ones that started the attacking. The soldiers of the north got caught up in the free for all and the chaos. Even Jon himself was forced to attack the Lannister soldiers after the chaos began.
– sanpaco
7 hours ago
@sanpaco But we even see John killing one of his own soldiers to save a girl. Why is that necessary? Can he command him to let her go?
– Kolappan Nathan
6 hours ago
@sanpaco But we even see John killing one of his own soldiers to save a girl. Why is that necessary? Can he command him to let her go?
– Kolappan Nathan
6 hours ago
5
5
He tries to stop him first and the man turns on Jon, so he kills him. Again its chaos of war. There are no rules at that point, its a bloodbath and a free for all.
– sanpaco
6 hours ago
He tries to stop him first and the man turns on Jon, so he kills him. Again its chaos of war. There are no rules at that point, its a bloodbath and a free for all.
– sanpaco
6 hours ago
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Daenerys has decided to reign fire on the keep already which prompts Grey Worm and the Unsullied to attack. Jon does not command the unsullied so it is reasonable that they would not respond to his commands to hold back.
Once the Unsullied begin attacking, the Lannister army begins attacking back to defend themselves, and chaos ensues. Jon alone is telling everyone to stop while the queen of the land and her army are attacking anyway, so Jon's men get caught up in the chaos and fighting. Even Jon himself is forced to kill Lannister soldiers in order to defend himself in the craziness.
Its not unheard of in war for this sort of chaos to cause men to do all kinds of unthinkable things and this is what we are seeing happen with the soldiers of the north. We see Jon try to stop one of them, but the man refuses to be stopped and Jon is forced to kill him in order to save the civilian woman. In the bloodbath and chaos, orders are no longer relevant.
answered 5 hours ago
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This is mentioned in the Inside the Episode here:
The utter chaos has led to a moral free-for-all. This is meant to portray Jon as a morally superior character in juxtaposition to the terrible deeds done by ordinary soldiers.
answered 3 hours ago
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This doesn't answer why the soldiers ignore Jon's orders, though, only why they behave like that in the first place.
– Joachim
3 hours ago
2
@Joachim It's a moral free-for-all. Meaning they don't have to listen to anybody. If attempted rape is on the table so is disregarding a superior officer.
– bruglesco
3 hours ago
@Joachim this is why questions like this tend to suck, because there are four very well defined sources of truth on the topic (the books, comments by the author of the books, the series, comments by the show runners and writers of the series), and none of them go into specifics about why individual soldiers in that scene decide to disobey Jons command, so getting a detailed authoritative response is going to be impossible.
– Moo
2 hours ago
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Insanity in the sky, in form of the dragon pouring fire on civilians and army alike, is mirrored by the insanity on the ground.
After Dany attacks the city, and Lannister's army pick up their swords (after Grey Worm throws his spire), there is a close-combat in city streets. At that point, everybody got concerned with their own survival, as well as chaos of the war kicked in.
Jon was forced to defend his life by killing enemy, but he has more leveled head than others, and was able to protect civilian from his own soldier (presumably soldier was going to rape civilian).
PS: answering following comment by @sanpaco, borrowing something from them.
answered 5 hours ago
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Probably because the North had suffered a lot because of the Lannisters, and it was time for payback. The surrender of the Lannister army was somewhat unconvincing after the tense standoff, so when all hell broke loose again, the rout was on.
answered 5 hours ago
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4 Answers
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active
oldest
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4 Answers
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active
oldest
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active
oldest
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active
oldest
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Daenerys has decided to reign fire on the keep already which prompts Grey Worm and the Unsullied to attack. Jon does not command the unsullied so it is reasonable that they would not respond to his commands to hold back.
Once the Unsullied begin attacking, the Lannister army begins attacking back to defend themselves, and chaos ensues. Jon alone is telling everyone to stop while the queen of the land and her army are attacking anyway, so Jon's men get caught up in the chaos and fighting. Even Jon himself is forced to kill Lannister soldiers in order to defend himself in the craziness.
Its not unheard of in war for this sort of chaos to cause men to do all kinds of unthinkable things and this is what we are seeing happen with the soldiers of the north. We see Jon try to stop one of them, but the man refuses to be stopped and Jon is forced to kill him in order to save the civilian woman. In the bloodbath and chaos, orders are no longer relevant.
answered 5 hours ago
sanpacosanpaco
17.2k1378164
add a comment |
Daenerys has decided to reign fire on the keep already which prompts Grey Worm and the Unsullied to attack. Jon does not command the unsullied so it is reasonable that they would not respond to his commands to hold back.
Once the Unsullied begin attacking, the Lannister army begins attacking back to defend themselves, and chaos ensues. Jon alone is telling everyone to stop while the queen of the land and her army are attacking anyway, so Jon's men get caught up in the chaos and fighting. Even Jon himself is forced to kill Lannister soldiers in order to defend himself in the craziness.
Its not unheard of in war for this sort of chaos to cause men to do all kinds of unthinkable things and this is what we are seeing happen with the soldiers of the north. We see Jon try to stop one of them, but the man refuses to be stopped and Jon is forced to kill him in order to save the civilian woman. In the bloodbath and chaos, orders are no longer relevant.
answered 5 hours ago
sanpacosanpaco
17.2k1378164
add a comment |
Daenerys has decided to reign fire on the keep already which prompts Grey Worm and the Unsullied to attack. Jon does not command the unsullied so it is reasonable that they would not respond to his commands to hold back.
Once the Unsullied begin attacking, the Lannister army begins attacking back to defend themselves, and chaos ensues. Jon alone is telling everyone to stop while the queen of the land and her army are attacking anyway, so Jon's men get caught up in the chaos and fighting. Even Jon himself is forced to kill Lannister soldiers in order to defend himself in the craziness.
Its not unheard of in war for this sort of chaos to cause men to do all kinds of unthinkable things and this is what we are seeing happen with the soldiers of the north. We see Jon try to stop one of them, but the man refuses to be stopped and Jon is forced to kill him in order to save the civilian woman. In the bloodbath and chaos, orders are no longer relevant.
answered 5 hours ago
sanpacosanpaco
17.2k1378164
Daenerys has decided to reign fire on the keep already which prompts Grey Worm and the Unsullied to attack. Jon does not command the unsullied so it is reasonable that they would not respond to his commands to hold back.
Once the Unsullied begin attacking, the Lannister army begins attacking back to defend themselves, and chaos ensues. Jon alone is telling everyone to stop while the queen of the land and her army are attacking anyway, so Jon's men get caught up in the chaos and fighting. Even Jon himself is forced to kill Lannister soldiers in order to defend himself in the craziness.
Its not unheard of in war for this sort of chaos to cause men to do all kinds of unthinkable things and this is what we are seeing happen with the soldiers of the north. We see Jon try to stop one of them, but the man refuses to be stopped and Jon is forced to kill him in order to save the civilian woman. In the bloodbath and chaos, orders are no longer relevant.
answered 5 hours ago
sanpacosanpaco
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answered 5 hours ago
sanpacosanpaco
17.2k1378164
answered 5 hours ago
sanpacosanpaco
17.2k1378164
answered 5 hours ago
sanpacosanpaco
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add a comment |
This is mentioned in the Inside the Episode here:
The utter chaos has led to a moral free-for-all. This is meant to portray Jon as a morally superior character in juxtaposition to the terrible deeds done by ordinary soldiers.
answered 3 hours ago
bruglescobruglesco
1456
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1
This doesn't answer why the soldiers ignore Jon's orders, though, only why they behave like that in the first place.
– Joachim
3 hours ago
2
@Joachim It's a moral free-for-all. Meaning they don't have to listen to anybody. If attempted rape is on the table so is disregarding a superior officer.
– bruglesco
3 hours ago
@Joachim this is why questions like this tend to suck, because there are four very well defined sources of truth on the topic (the books, comments by the author of the books, the series, comments by the show runners and writers of the series), and none of them go into specifics about why individual soldiers in that scene decide to disobey Jons command, so getting a detailed authoritative response is going to be impossible.
– Moo
2 hours ago
add a comment |
This is mentioned in the Inside the Episode here:
The utter chaos has led to a moral free-for-all. This is meant to portray Jon as a morally superior character in juxtaposition to the terrible deeds done by ordinary soldiers.
answered 3 hours ago
bruglescobruglesco
1456
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1
This doesn't answer why the soldiers ignore Jon's orders, though, only why they behave like that in the first place.
– Joachim
3 hours ago
2
@Joachim It's a moral free-for-all. Meaning they don't have to listen to anybody. If attempted rape is on the table so is disregarding a superior officer.
– bruglesco
3 hours ago
@Joachim this is why questions like this tend to suck, because there are four very well defined sources of truth on the topic (the books, comments by the author of the books, the series, comments by the show runners and writers of the series), and none of them go into specifics about why individual soldiers in that scene decide to disobey Jons command, so getting a detailed authoritative response is going to be impossible.
– Moo
2 hours ago
add a comment |
This is mentioned in the Inside the Episode here:
The utter chaos has led to a moral free-for-all. This is meant to portray Jon as a morally superior character in juxtaposition to the terrible deeds done by ordinary soldiers.
answered 3 hours ago
bruglescobruglesco
1456
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This is mentioned in the Inside the Episode here:
The utter chaos has led to a moral free-for-all. This is meant to portray Jon as a morally superior character in juxtaposition to the terrible deeds done by ordinary soldiers.
answered 3 hours ago
bruglescobruglesco
1456
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answered 3 hours ago
bruglescobruglesco
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answered 3 hours ago
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answered 3 hours ago
bruglescobruglesco
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1456
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1
This doesn't answer why the soldiers ignore Jon's orders, though, only why they behave like that in the first place.
– Joachim
3 hours ago
2
@Joachim It's a moral free-for-all. Meaning they don't have to listen to anybody. If attempted rape is on the table so is disregarding a superior officer.
– bruglesco
3 hours ago
@Joachim this is why questions like this tend to suck, because there are four very well defined sources of truth on the topic (the books, comments by the author of the books, the series, comments by the show runners and writers of the series), and none of them go into specifics about why individual soldiers in that scene decide to disobey Jons command, so getting a detailed authoritative response is going to be impossible.
– Moo
2 hours ago
add a comment |
1
This doesn't answer why the soldiers ignore Jon's orders, though, only why they behave like that in the first place.
– Joachim
3 hours ago
2
@Joachim It's a moral free-for-all. Meaning they don't have to listen to anybody. If attempted rape is on the table so is disregarding a superior officer.
– bruglesco
3 hours ago
@Joachim this is why questions like this tend to suck, because there are four very well defined sources of truth on the topic (the books, comments by the author of the books, the series, comments by the show runners and writers of the series), and none of them go into specifics about why individual soldiers in that scene decide to disobey Jons command, so getting a detailed authoritative response is going to be impossible.
– Moo
2 hours ago
1
1
This doesn't answer why the soldiers ignore Jon's orders, though, only why they behave like that in the first place.
– Joachim
3 hours ago
This doesn't answer why the soldiers ignore Jon's orders, though, only why they behave like that in the first place.
– Joachim
3 hours ago
2
2
@Joachim It's a moral free-for-all. Meaning they don't have to listen to anybody. If attempted rape is on the table so is disregarding a superior officer.
– bruglesco
3 hours ago
@Joachim It's a moral free-for-all. Meaning they don't have to listen to anybody. If attempted rape is on the table so is disregarding a superior officer.
– bruglesco
3 hours ago
@Joachim this is why questions like this tend to suck, because there are four very well defined sources of truth on the topic (the books, comments by the author of the books, the series, comments by the show runners and writers of the series), and none of them go into specifics about why individual soldiers in that scene decide to disobey Jons command, so getting a detailed authoritative response is going to be impossible.
– Moo
2 hours ago
@Joachim this is why questions like this tend to suck, because there are four very well defined sources of truth on the topic (the books, comments by the author of the books, the series, comments by the show runners and writers of the series), and none of them go into specifics about why individual soldiers in that scene decide to disobey Jons command, so getting a detailed authoritative response is going to be impossible.
– Moo
2 hours ago
add a comment |
Insanity in the sky, in form of the dragon pouring fire on civilians and army alike, is mirrored by the insanity on the ground.
After Dany attacks the city, and Lannister's army pick up their swords (after Grey Worm throws his spire), there is a close-combat in city streets. At that point, everybody got concerned with their own survival, as well as chaos of the war kicked in.
Jon was forced to defend his life by killing enemy, but he has more leveled head than others, and was able to protect civilian from his own soldier (presumably soldier was going to rape civilian).
PS: answering following comment by @sanpaco, borrowing something from them.
answered 5 hours ago
aaaaaaaaaaaa
1334
add a comment |
Insanity in the sky, in form of the dragon pouring fire on civilians and army alike, is mirrored by the insanity on the ground.
After Dany attacks the city, and Lannister's army pick up their swords (after Grey Worm throws his spire), there is a close-combat in city streets. At that point, everybody got concerned with their own survival, as well as chaos of the war kicked in.
Jon was forced to defend his life by killing enemy, but he has more leveled head than others, and was able to protect civilian from his own soldier (presumably soldier was going to rape civilian).
PS: answering following comment by @sanpaco, borrowing something from them.
answered 5 hours ago
aaaaaaaaaaaa
1334
add a comment |
Insanity in the sky, in form of the dragon pouring fire on civilians and army alike, is mirrored by the insanity on the ground.
After Dany attacks the city, and Lannister's army pick up their swords (after Grey Worm throws his spire), there is a close-combat in city streets. At that point, everybody got concerned with their own survival, as well as chaos of the war kicked in.
Jon was forced to defend his life by killing enemy, but he has more leveled head than others, and was able to protect civilian from his own soldier (presumably soldier was going to rape civilian).
PS: answering following comment by @sanpaco, borrowing something from them.
answered 5 hours ago
aaaaaaaaaaaa
1334
Insanity in the sky, in form of the dragon pouring fire on civilians and army alike, is mirrored by the insanity on the ground.
After Dany attacks the city, and Lannister's army pick up their swords (after Grey Worm throws his spire), there is a close-combat in city streets. At that point, everybody got concerned with their own survival, as well as chaos of the war kicked in.
Jon was forced to defend his life by killing enemy, but he has more leveled head than others, and was able to protect civilian from his own soldier (presumably soldier was going to rape civilian).
PS: answering following comment by @sanpaco, borrowing something from them.
answered 5 hours ago
aaaaaaaaaaaa
1334
answered 5 hours ago
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1334
answered 5 hours ago
aaaaaaaaaaaa
1334
answered 5 hours ago
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1334
1334
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add a comment |
Probably because the North had suffered a lot because of the Lannisters, and it was time for payback. The surrender of the Lannister army was somewhat unconvincing after the tense standoff, so when all hell broke loose again, the rout was on.
answered 5 hours ago
MohairMohair
1812
add a comment |
Probably because the North had suffered a lot because of the Lannisters, and it was time for payback. The surrender of the Lannister army was somewhat unconvincing after the tense standoff, so when all hell broke loose again, the rout was on.
answered 5 hours ago
MohairMohair
1812
add a comment |
Probably because the North had suffered a lot because of the Lannisters, and it was time for payback. The surrender of the Lannister army was somewhat unconvincing after the tense standoff, so when all hell broke loose again, the rout was on.
answered 5 hours ago
MohairMohair
1812
Probably because the North had suffered a lot because of the Lannisters, and it was time for payback. The surrender of the Lannister army was somewhat unconvincing after the tense standoff, so when all hell broke loose again, the rout was on.
answered 5 hours ago
MohairMohair
1812
answered 5 hours ago
MohairMohair
1812
answered 5 hours ago
MohairMohair
1812
answered 5 hours ago
MohairMohair
1812
1812
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add a comment |
11
Jon doesn't command the unsullied, and they were the ones that started the attacking. The soldiers of the north got caught up in the free for all and the chaos. Even Jon himself was forced to attack the Lannister soldiers after the chaos began.
– sanpaco
7 hours ago
@sanpaco But we even see John killing one of his own soldiers to save a girl. Why is that necessary? Can he command him to let her go?
– Kolappan Nathan
6 hours ago
5
He tries to stop him first and the man turns on Jon, so he kills him. Again its chaos of war. There are no rules at that point, its a bloodbath and a free for all.
– sanpaco
6 hours ago