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Does the new finding on “reversing a quantum jump mid-flight” rule out any interpretations of QM?
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This new finding by Minev et al. seems to suggest that transitions between atomic states are not instantaneous, but continuous processes wherein a superposition smoothly adjusts from favoring one state to another (if I understand it correctly). The authors also claim to be able to catch a system "mid-jump" and reverse it. Popular articles are here and *here.
I am curious if this finding rules out any interpretations of QM. It seems to generally go against the Copenhagen attitude, which describes measurements as collapsing physical systems into a definite classical state. The popular articles indeed claim that the founders of QM would have been surprised by the new finding.
The link with the asterisk mentions that something called "quantum trajectories theory" predicts what was observed. Is this an interpretation, or a theory? And are they implying that other interpretations/theories don't work?
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This new finding by Minev et al. seems to suggest that transitions between atomic states are not instantaneous, but continuous processes wherein a superposition smoothly adjusts from favoring one state to another (if I understand it correctly). The authors also claim to be able to catch a system "mid-jump" and reverse it. Popular articles are here and *here.
I am curious if this finding rules out any interpretations of QM. It seems to generally go against the Copenhagen attitude, which describes measurements as collapsing physical systems into a definite classical state. The popular articles indeed claim that the founders of QM would have been surprised by the new finding.
The link with the asterisk mentions that something called "quantum trajectories theory" predicts what was observed. Is this an interpretation, or a theory? And are they implying that other interpretations/theories don't work?
quantum-mechanics
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This new finding by Minev et al. seems to suggest that transitions between atomic states are not instantaneous, but continuous processes wherein a superposition smoothly adjusts from favoring one state to another (if I understand it correctly). The authors also claim to be able to catch a system "mid-jump" and reverse it. Popular articles are here and *here.
I am curious if this finding rules out any interpretations of QM. It seems to generally go against the Copenhagen attitude, which describes measurements as collapsing physical systems into a definite classical state. The popular articles indeed claim that the founders of QM would have been surprised by the new finding.
The link with the asterisk mentions that something called "quantum trajectories theory" predicts what was observed. Is this an interpretation, or a theory? And are they implying that other interpretations/theories don't work?
quantum-mechanics
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This new finding by Minev et al. seems to suggest that transitions between atomic states are not instantaneous, but continuous processes wherein a superposition smoothly adjusts from favoring one state to another (if I understand it correctly). The authors also claim to be able to catch a system "mid-jump" and reverse it. Popular articles are here and *here.
I am curious if this finding rules out any interpretations of QM. It seems to generally go against the Copenhagen attitude, which describes measurements as collapsing physical systems into a definite classical state. The popular articles indeed claim that the founders of QM would have been surprised by the new finding.
The link with the asterisk mentions that something called "quantum trajectories theory" predicts what was observed. Is this an interpretation, or a theory? And are they implying that other interpretations/theories don't work?
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No. All news stories about this result are extremely misleading.
The "quantum jump" paper demonstrates an interesting and novel experimental technique. However, it says absolutely nothing about the interpretation of quantum mechanics. It agrees with all proper interpretations, including the Copenhagen interpretation.
What the researchers actually did
When a quantum system transitions between two states, say $|0 rangle$ to $|1 rangle$, the full time-dependence of the quantum state looks like
$$|psi(t) rangle = c_0(t) |0 rangle + c_1(t) |1 rangle.$$
The amplitude $c_0(t)$ to be in $|0 rangle$ smoothly and gradually decreases, while the amplitude $c_1(t)$ to be in $|1 rangle$ smoothly and gradually increases. You can read this off right from the Schrodinger equation, and it has been known for a hundred years. It is completely standard textbook material. The researches essentially observed this amplitude changing in the middle of a transition, in a context where nobody had done so before.
The authors themselves emphasize in their paper that what they found is in complete agreement with standard quantum mechanics. Yet countless news articles are describing the paper as a refutation of "quantum jumps", which proves the Copenhagen interpretation wrong and Bohmian mechanics right. Absolutely nothing about this is true.
Why all news articles got it wrong
The core problem is that popsci starts from a notion of "quantum jumps", which itself is wrong. As the popular articles and books would have it, quantum mechanics is just like classical mechanics, but particles can mysteriously, randomly, and instantly teleport around. Quantum mechanics says no such thing. This story is just a crutch to help explain how quantum particles can behave differently from classical ones, and a rather poor one at that. (I try to give some better intuition here.) No physicist actually believes that quantum jumps in this sense are a thing. The experiment indeed shows this picture is wrong, but so do thousands of existing experiments.
The reason that even good popsci outlets used this crutch is two-fold. First off, the founders of quantum mechanics really did have a notion of quantum jumps. However, they were talking about something different: the fact that there is no quantum state "in between" $|0 rangle$ and $|1 rangle$ (which, e.g. could be atomic energy levels) such as $|1/2 rangle$. The interpolating states are just superpositions of $|0 rangle$ and $|1 rangle$. This is standard textbook material: the states are discrete, but the time evolution is continuous because the coefficients $c_0(t)/c_1(t)$ can very continuously. But the distinction is rarely made in popsci.
(To be fair, there was an incredibly short period in the tumultuous beginning of "old quantum theory" where some people did think of quantum transitions as discontinuous. However, that view has been irrelevant for a century. Not every early quote from the founders of QM should be taken seriously; we know better now.)
Second off, the original press release from the research group had the same language about quantum jumps. Now, I understand what they were trying to do. They wanted to give their paper, about a rather technical aspect of experimental measurement, a compelling narrative. And they didn't say anything technically wrong in their press release. But they should've known that their framing was basically begging to be misinterpreted to make their work look more revolutionary than it actually is.
Interpretations of quantum mechanics
There's a very naive interpretation of quantum mechanics, which I'll call "dumb Copenhagen". In dumb Copenhagen, everything evolves nicely by the Schrodinger equation, but when any atomic-scale system interacts with any larger system, its state instantly "collapses". This experiment indeed contradicts dumb Copenhagen, but it's far from the first to; physicists have known that dumb Copenhagen doesn't work for 50 years. (To be fair, it is used as a crutch in introductory textbooks to avoid having to say too much about the measurement process.) We know the process of measurement is intimately tied to decoherence, which is perfectly continuous. Copenhagen and, say, many worlds just differ on how to treat branches of a superposition that have completely decohered.
Another issue is that proponents of Bohmian mechanics seem to latch onto every new experimental result and call it a proof that their interpretation alone is right, even when it's perfectly compatible with standard QM. To physicists, Bohmian mechanics is a series of ugly and complicated hacks, about ten times as bad as the ether, which is why it took last place in a poll of researchers working in quantum foundations. But many others really like it. For instance, philosophers who prefer realist interpretations of quantum mechanics love it because it lets them say that quantum mechanics is "really" classical mechanics underneath (which actually isn't true even in Bohmian mechanics), and hence avoid grappling with the implications of QM proper. (I rant about this a little more here.)
Quantum mechanics is one of the most robust and successful frameworks we have ever devised. If you hear any news article saying that something fundamental about our understanding of it has changed, there is a 99.9% chance it's wrong. Don't believe everything you read!
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Very nice. Does the new research teach us anything we didn't already know?
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– WillG
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@WillG It's a neat experimental technique, but it has nothing to do with the theoretical underpinnings of QM.
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– knzhou
8 hours ago
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@knzhou But, with respect Schrodinger's cat as a simple explanation of the impact of this recent article... Can the cat be saved? Is that something we weren't able to do before? I know it's a dumb question, but I'm using it as an analogy to the complex quantum mechanics and its dynamics. I'm a humble software engineer
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– BeemerGuy
1 hour ago
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@WillG As far as I can tell, there is something 'new' here in that it was not widely known that, in a suitably engineered system, quantum jumps leave a signature in some sense before they are completed. That is, this particular consequence of quantum theory was not widely known, as far as I can tell, even though all the fundamental rules that lead to it were. Even so, I will note that this effect was predicted theoretically first, which lead to the experimental attempt to observe it. Dr. Minev gives a nice account of the conception in his thesis, which is available at the Yale repository.
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– Rococo
1 hour ago
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It seems to me that any facts confirmed in this experiment were "known" in the sense that a careful analysis of quantum theory agrees with them; on the other hand what is "known" to practicing physicists is sometimes a mix of correct theory with oft-repeated credos that sometimes miss the mark.
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No. All news stories about this result are extremely misleading.
The "quantum jump" paper demonstrates an interesting and novel experimental technique. However, it says absolutely nothing about the interpretation of quantum mechanics. It agrees with all proper interpretations, including the Copenhagen interpretation.
What the researchers actually did
When a quantum system transitions between two states, say $|0 rangle$ to $|1 rangle$, the full time-dependence of the quantum state looks like
$$|psi(t) rangle = c_0(t) |0 rangle + c_1(t) |1 rangle.$$
The amplitude $c_0(t)$ to be in $|0 rangle$ smoothly and gradually decreases, while the amplitude $c_1(t)$ to be in $|1 rangle$ smoothly and gradually increases. You can read this off right from the Schrodinger equation, and it has been known for a hundred years. It is completely standard textbook material. The researches essentially observed this amplitude changing in the middle of a transition, in a context where nobody had done so before.
The authors themselves emphasize in their paper that what they found is in complete agreement with standard quantum mechanics. Yet countless news articles are describing the paper as a refutation of "quantum jumps", which proves the Copenhagen interpretation wrong and Bohmian mechanics right. Absolutely nothing about this is true.
Why all news articles got it wrong
The core problem is that popsci starts from a notion of "quantum jumps", which itself is wrong. As the popular articles and books would have it, quantum mechanics is just like classical mechanics, but particles can mysteriously, randomly, and instantly teleport around. Quantum mechanics says no such thing. This story is just a crutch to help explain how quantum particles can behave differently from classical ones, and a rather poor one at that. (I try to give some better intuition here.) No physicist actually believes that quantum jumps in this sense are a thing. The experiment indeed shows this picture is wrong, but so do thousands of existing experiments.
The reason that even good popsci outlets used this crutch is two-fold. First off, the founders of quantum mechanics really did have a notion of quantum jumps. However, they were talking about something different: the fact that there is no quantum state "in between" $|0 rangle$ and $|1 rangle$ (which, e.g. could be atomic energy levels) such as $|1/2 rangle$. The interpolating states are just superpositions of $|0 rangle$ and $|1 rangle$. This is standard textbook material: the states are discrete, but the time evolution is continuous because the coefficients $c_0(t)/c_1(t)$ can very continuously. But the distinction is rarely made in popsci.
(To be fair, there was an incredibly short period in the tumultuous beginning of "old quantum theory" where some people did think of quantum transitions as discontinuous. However, that view has been irrelevant for a century. Not every early quote from the founders of QM should be taken seriously; we know better now.)
Second off, the original press release from the research group had the same language about quantum jumps. Now, I understand what they were trying to do. They wanted to give their paper, about a rather technical aspect of experimental measurement, a compelling narrative. And they didn't say anything technically wrong in their press release. But they should've known that their framing was basically begging to be misinterpreted to make their work look more revolutionary than it actually is.
Interpretations of quantum mechanics
There's a very naive interpretation of quantum mechanics, which I'll call "dumb Copenhagen". In dumb Copenhagen, everything evolves nicely by the Schrodinger equation, but when any atomic-scale system interacts with any larger system, its state instantly "collapses". This experiment indeed contradicts dumb Copenhagen, but it's far from the first to; physicists have known that dumb Copenhagen doesn't work for 50 years. (To be fair, it is used as a crutch in introductory textbooks to avoid having to say too much about the measurement process.) We know the process of measurement is intimately tied to decoherence, which is perfectly continuous. Copenhagen and, say, many worlds just differ on how to treat branches of a superposition that have completely decohered.
Another issue is that proponents of Bohmian mechanics seem to latch onto every new experimental result and call it a proof that their interpretation alone is right, even when it's perfectly compatible with standard QM. To physicists, Bohmian mechanics is a series of ugly and complicated hacks, about ten times as bad as the ether, which is why it took last place in a poll of researchers working in quantum foundations. But many others really like it. For instance, philosophers who prefer realist interpretations of quantum mechanics love it because it lets them say that quantum mechanics is "really" classical mechanics underneath (which actually isn't true even in Bohmian mechanics), and hence avoid grappling with the implications of QM proper. (I rant about this a little more here.)
Quantum mechanics is one of the most robust and successful frameworks we have ever devised. If you hear any news article saying that something fundamental about our understanding of it has changed, there is a 99.9% chance it's wrong. Don't believe everything you read!
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Very nice. Does the new research teach us anything we didn't already know?
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– WillG
8 hours ago
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@WillG It's a neat experimental technique, but it has nothing to do with the theoretical underpinnings of QM.
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– knzhou
8 hours ago
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@knzhou But, with respect Schrodinger's cat as a simple explanation of the impact of this recent article... Can the cat be saved? Is that something we weren't able to do before? I know it's a dumb question, but I'm using it as an analogy to the complex quantum mechanics and its dynamics. I'm a humble software engineer
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– BeemerGuy
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@WillG As far as I can tell, there is something 'new' here in that it was not widely known that, in a suitably engineered system, quantum jumps leave a signature in some sense before they are completed. That is, this particular consequence of quantum theory was not widely known, as far as I can tell, even though all the fundamental rules that lead to it were. Even so, I will note that this effect was predicted theoretically first, which lead to the experimental attempt to observe it. Dr. Minev gives a nice account of the conception in his thesis, which is available at the Yale repository.
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– Rococo
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It seems to me that any facts confirmed in this experiment were "known" in the sense that a careful analysis of quantum theory agrees with them; on the other hand what is "known" to practicing physicists is sometimes a mix of correct theory with oft-repeated credos that sometimes miss the mark.
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– WillG
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No. All news stories about this result are extremely misleading.
The "quantum jump" paper demonstrates an interesting and novel experimental technique. However, it says absolutely nothing about the interpretation of quantum mechanics. It agrees with all proper interpretations, including the Copenhagen interpretation.
What the researchers actually did
When a quantum system transitions between two states, say $|0 rangle$ to $|1 rangle$, the full time-dependence of the quantum state looks like
$$|psi(t) rangle = c_0(t) |0 rangle + c_1(t) |1 rangle.$$
The amplitude $c_0(t)$ to be in $|0 rangle$ smoothly and gradually decreases, while the amplitude $c_1(t)$ to be in $|1 rangle$ smoothly and gradually increases. You can read this off right from the Schrodinger equation, and it has been known for a hundred years. It is completely standard textbook material. The researches essentially observed this amplitude changing in the middle of a transition, in a context where nobody had done so before.
The authors themselves emphasize in their paper that what they found is in complete agreement with standard quantum mechanics. Yet countless news articles are describing the paper as a refutation of "quantum jumps", which proves the Copenhagen interpretation wrong and Bohmian mechanics right. Absolutely nothing about this is true.
Why all news articles got it wrong
The core problem is that popsci starts from a notion of "quantum jumps", which itself is wrong. As the popular articles and books would have it, quantum mechanics is just like classical mechanics, but particles can mysteriously, randomly, and instantly teleport around. Quantum mechanics says no such thing. This story is just a crutch to help explain how quantum particles can behave differently from classical ones, and a rather poor one at that. (I try to give some better intuition here.) No physicist actually believes that quantum jumps in this sense are a thing. The experiment indeed shows this picture is wrong, but so do thousands of existing experiments.
The reason that even good popsci outlets used this crutch is two-fold. First off, the founders of quantum mechanics really did have a notion of quantum jumps. However, they were talking about something different: the fact that there is no quantum state "in between" $|0 rangle$ and $|1 rangle$ (which, e.g. could be atomic energy levels) such as $|1/2 rangle$. The interpolating states are just superpositions of $|0 rangle$ and $|1 rangle$. This is standard textbook material: the states are discrete, but the time evolution is continuous because the coefficients $c_0(t)/c_1(t)$ can very continuously. But the distinction is rarely made in popsci.
(To be fair, there was an incredibly short period in the tumultuous beginning of "old quantum theory" where some people did think of quantum transitions as discontinuous. However, that view has been irrelevant for a century. Not every early quote from the founders of QM should be taken seriously; we know better now.)
Second off, the original press release from the research group had the same language about quantum jumps. Now, I understand what they were trying to do. They wanted to give their paper, about a rather technical aspect of experimental measurement, a compelling narrative. And they didn't say anything technically wrong in their press release. But they should've known that their framing was basically begging to be misinterpreted to make their work look more revolutionary than it actually is.
Interpretations of quantum mechanics
There's a very naive interpretation of quantum mechanics, which I'll call "dumb Copenhagen". In dumb Copenhagen, everything evolves nicely by the Schrodinger equation, but when any atomic-scale system interacts with any larger system, its state instantly "collapses". This experiment indeed contradicts dumb Copenhagen, but it's far from the first to; physicists have known that dumb Copenhagen doesn't work for 50 years. (To be fair, it is used as a crutch in introductory textbooks to avoid having to say too much about the measurement process.) We know the process of measurement is intimately tied to decoherence, which is perfectly continuous. Copenhagen and, say, many worlds just differ on how to treat branches of a superposition that have completely decohered.
Another issue is that proponents of Bohmian mechanics seem to latch onto every new experimental result and call it a proof that their interpretation alone is right, even when it's perfectly compatible with standard QM. To physicists, Bohmian mechanics is a series of ugly and complicated hacks, about ten times as bad as the ether, which is why it took last place in a poll of researchers working in quantum foundations. But many others really like it. For instance, philosophers who prefer realist interpretations of quantum mechanics love it because it lets them say that quantum mechanics is "really" classical mechanics underneath (which actually isn't true even in Bohmian mechanics), and hence avoid grappling with the implications of QM proper. (I rant about this a little more here.)
Quantum mechanics is one of the most robust and successful frameworks we have ever devised. If you hear any news article saying that something fundamental about our understanding of it has changed, there is a 99.9% chance it's wrong. Don't believe everything you read!
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Very nice. Does the new research teach us anything we didn't already know?
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– WillG
8 hours ago
2
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@WillG It's a neat experimental technique, but it has nothing to do with the theoretical underpinnings of QM.
$endgroup$
– knzhou
8 hours ago
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@knzhou But, with respect Schrodinger's cat as a simple explanation of the impact of this recent article... Can the cat be saved? Is that something we weren't able to do before? I know it's a dumb question, but I'm using it as an analogy to the complex quantum mechanics and its dynamics. I'm a humble software engineer
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– BeemerGuy
1 hour ago
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@WillG As far as I can tell, there is something 'new' here in that it was not widely known that, in a suitably engineered system, quantum jumps leave a signature in some sense before they are completed. That is, this particular consequence of quantum theory was not widely known, as far as I can tell, even though all the fundamental rules that lead to it were. Even so, I will note that this effect was predicted theoretically first, which lead to the experimental attempt to observe it. Dr. Minev gives a nice account of the conception in his thesis, which is available at the Yale repository.
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– Rococo
1 hour ago
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It seems to me that any facts confirmed in this experiment were "known" in the sense that a careful analysis of quantum theory agrees with them; on the other hand what is "known" to practicing physicists is sometimes a mix of correct theory with oft-repeated credos that sometimes miss the mark.
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– WillG
1 hour ago
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show 1 more comment
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No. All news stories about this result are extremely misleading.
The "quantum jump" paper demonstrates an interesting and novel experimental technique. However, it says absolutely nothing about the interpretation of quantum mechanics. It agrees with all proper interpretations, including the Copenhagen interpretation.
What the researchers actually did
When a quantum system transitions between two states, say $|0 rangle$ to $|1 rangle$, the full time-dependence of the quantum state looks like
$$|psi(t) rangle = c_0(t) |0 rangle + c_1(t) |1 rangle.$$
The amplitude $c_0(t)$ to be in $|0 rangle$ smoothly and gradually decreases, while the amplitude $c_1(t)$ to be in $|1 rangle$ smoothly and gradually increases. You can read this off right from the Schrodinger equation, and it has been known for a hundred years. It is completely standard textbook material. The researches essentially observed this amplitude changing in the middle of a transition, in a context where nobody had done so before.
The authors themselves emphasize in their paper that what they found is in complete agreement with standard quantum mechanics. Yet countless news articles are describing the paper as a refutation of "quantum jumps", which proves the Copenhagen interpretation wrong and Bohmian mechanics right. Absolutely nothing about this is true.
Why all news articles got it wrong
The core problem is that popsci starts from a notion of "quantum jumps", which itself is wrong. As the popular articles and books would have it, quantum mechanics is just like classical mechanics, but particles can mysteriously, randomly, and instantly teleport around. Quantum mechanics says no such thing. This story is just a crutch to help explain how quantum particles can behave differently from classical ones, and a rather poor one at that. (I try to give some better intuition here.) No physicist actually believes that quantum jumps in this sense are a thing. The experiment indeed shows this picture is wrong, but so do thousands of existing experiments.
The reason that even good popsci outlets used this crutch is two-fold. First off, the founders of quantum mechanics really did have a notion of quantum jumps. However, they were talking about something different: the fact that there is no quantum state "in between" $|0 rangle$ and $|1 rangle$ (which, e.g. could be atomic energy levels) such as $|1/2 rangle$. The interpolating states are just superpositions of $|0 rangle$ and $|1 rangle$. This is standard textbook material: the states are discrete, but the time evolution is continuous because the coefficients $c_0(t)/c_1(t)$ can very continuously. But the distinction is rarely made in popsci.
(To be fair, there was an incredibly short period in the tumultuous beginning of "old quantum theory" where some people did think of quantum transitions as discontinuous. However, that view has been irrelevant for a century. Not every early quote from the founders of QM should be taken seriously; we know better now.)
Second off, the original press release from the research group had the same language about quantum jumps. Now, I understand what they were trying to do. They wanted to give their paper, about a rather technical aspect of experimental measurement, a compelling narrative. And they didn't say anything technically wrong in their press release. But they should've known that their framing was basically begging to be misinterpreted to make their work look more revolutionary than it actually is.
Interpretations of quantum mechanics
There's a very naive interpretation of quantum mechanics, which I'll call "dumb Copenhagen". In dumb Copenhagen, everything evolves nicely by the Schrodinger equation, but when any atomic-scale system interacts with any larger system, its state instantly "collapses". This experiment indeed contradicts dumb Copenhagen, but it's far from the first to; physicists have known that dumb Copenhagen doesn't work for 50 years. (To be fair, it is used as a crutch in introductory textbooks to avoid having to say too much about the measurement process.) We know the process of measurement is intimately tied to decoherence, which is perfectly continuous. Copenhagen and, say, many worlds just differ on how to treat branches of a superposition that have completely decohered.
Another issue is that proponents of Bohmian mechanics seem to latch onto every new experimental result and call it a proof that their interpretation alone is right, even when it's perfectly compatible with standard QM. To physicists, Bohmian mechanics is a series of ugly and complicated hacks, about ten times as bad as the ether, which is why it took last place in a poll of researchers working in quantum foundations. But many others really like it. For instance, philosophers who prefer realist interpretations of quantum mechanics love it because it lets them say that quantum mechanics is "really" classical mechanics underneath (which actually isn't true even in Bohmian mechanics), and hence avoid grappling with the implications of QM proper. (I rant about this a little more here.)
Quantum mechanics is one of the most robust and successful frameworks we have ever devised. If you hear any news article saying that something fundamental about our understanding of it has changed, there is a 99.9% chance it's wrong. Don't believe everything you read!
$endgroup$
No. All news stories about this result are extremely misleading.
The "quantum jump" paper demonstrates an interesting and novel experimental technique. However, it says absolutely nothing about the interpretation of quantum mechanics. It agrees with all proper interpretations, including the Copenhagen interpretation.
What the researchers actually did
When a quantum system transitions between two states, say $|0 rangle$ to $|1 rangle$, the full time-dependence of the quantum state looks like
$$|psi(t) rangle = c_0(t) |0 rangle + c_1(t) |1 rangle.$$
The amplitude $c_0(t)$ to be in $|0 rangle$ smoothly and gradually decreases, while the amplitude $c_1(t)$ to be in $|1 rangle$ smoothly and gradually increases. You can read this off right from the Schrodinger equation, and it has been known for a hundred years. It is completely standard textbook material. The researches essentially observed this amplitude changing in the middle of a transition, in a context where nobody had done so before.
The authors themselves emphasize in their paper that what they found is in complete agreement with standard quantum mechanics. Yet countless news articles are describing the paper as a refutation of "quantum jumps", which proves the Copenhagen interpretation wrong and Bohmian mechanics right. Absolutely nothing about this is true.
Why all news articles got it wrong
The core problem is that popsci starts from a notion of "quantum jumps", which itself is wrong. As the popular articles and books would have it, quantum mechanics is just like classical mechanics, but particles can mysteriously, randomly, and instantly teleport around. Quantum mechanics says no such thing. This story is just a crutch to help explain how quantum particles can behave differently from classical ones, and a rather poor one at that. (I try to give some better intuition here.) No physicist actually believes that quantum jumps in this sense are a thing. The experiment indeed shows this picture is wrong, but so do thousands of existing experiments.
The reason that even good popsci outlets used this crutch is two-fold. First off, the founders of quantum mechanics really did have a notion of quantum jumps. However, they were talking about something different: the fact that there is no quantum state "in between" $|0 rangle$ and $|1 rangle$ (which, e.g. could be atomic energy levels) such as $|1/2 rangle$. The interpolating states are just superpositions of $|0 rangle$ and $|1 rangle$. This is standard textbook material: the states are discrete, but the time evolution is continuous because the coefficients $c_0(t)/c_1(t)$ can very continuously. But the distinction is rarely made in popsci.
(To be fair, there was an incredibly short period in the tumultuous beginning of "old quantum theory" where some people did think of quantum transitions as discontinuous. However, that view has been irrelevant for a century. Not every early quote from the founders of QM should be taken seriously; we know better now.)
Second off, the original press release from the research group had the same language about quantum jumps. Now, I understand what they were trying to do. They wanted to give their paper, about a rather technical aspect of experimental measurement, a compelling narrative. And they didn't say anything technically wrong in their press release. But they should've known that their framing was basically begging to be misinterpreted to make their work look more revolutionary than it actually is.
Interpretations of quantum mechanics
There's a very naive interpretation of quantum mechanics, which I'll call "dumb Copenhagen". In dumb Copenhagen, everything evolves nicely by the Schrodinger equation, but when any atomic-scale system interacts with any larger system, its state instantly "collapses". This experiment indeed contradicts dumb Copenhagen, but it's far from the first to; physicists have known that dumb Copenhagen doesn't work for 50 years. (To be fair, it is used as a crutch in introductory textbooks to avoid having to say too much about the measurement process.) We know the process of measurement is intimately tied to decoherence, which is perfectly continuous. Copenhagen and, say, many worlds just differ on how to treat branches of a superposition that have completely decohered.
Another issue is that proponents of Bohmian mechanics seem to latch onto every new experimental result and call it a proof that their interpretation alone is right, even when it's perfectly compatible with standard QM. To physicists, Bohmian mechanics is a series of ugly and complicated hacks, about ten times as bad as the ether, which is why it took last place in a poll of researchers working in quantum foundations. But many others really like it. For instance, philosophers who prefer realist interpretations of quantum mechanics love it because it lets them say that quantum mechanics is "really" classical mechanics underneath (which actually isn't true even in Bohmian mechanics), and hence avoid grappling with the implications of QM proper. (I rant about this a little more here.)
Quantum mechanics is one of the most robust and successful frameworks we have ever devised. If you hear any news article saying that something fundamental about our understanding of it has changed, there is a 99.9% chance it's wrong. Don't believe everything you read!
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Very nice. Does the new research teach us anything we didn't already know?
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– WillG
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@WillG It's a neat experimental technique, but it has nothing to do with the theoretical underpinnings of QM.
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– knzhou
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@knzhou But, with respect Schrodinger's cat as a simple explanation of the impact of this recent article... Can the cat be saved? Is that something we weren't able to do before? I know it's a dumb question, but I'm using it as an analogy to the complex quantum mechanics and its dynamics. I'm a humble software engineer
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– BeemerGuy
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@WillG As far as I can tell, there is something 'new' here in that it was not widely known that, in a suitably engineered system, quantum jumps leave a signature in some sense before they are completed. That is, this particular consequence of quantum theory was not widely known, as far as I can tell, even though all the fundamental rules that lead to it were. Even so, I will note that this effect was predicted theoretically first, which lead to the experimental attempt to observe it. Dr. Minev gives a nice account of the conception in his thesis, which is available at the Yale repository.
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– Rococo
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It seems to me that any facts confirmed in this experiment were "known" in the sense that a careful analysis of quantum theory agrees with them; on the other hand what is "known" to practicing physicists is sometimes a mix of correct theory with oft-repeated credos that sometimes miss the mark.
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– WillG
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Very nice. Does the new research teach us anything we didn't already know?
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– WillG
8 hours ago
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@WillG It's a neat experimental technique, but it has nothing to do with the theoretical underpinnings of QM.
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– knzhou
8 hours ago
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@knzhou But, with respect Schrodinger's cat as a simple explanation of the impact of this recent article... Can the cat be saved? Is that something we weren't able to do before? I know it's a dumb question, but I'm using it as an analogy to the complex quantum mechanics and its dynamics. I'm a humble software engineer
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– BeemerGuy
1 hour ago
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@WillG As far as I can tell, there is something 'new' here in that it was not widely known that, in a suitably engineered system, quantum jumps leave a signature in some sense before they are completed. That is, this particular consequence of quantum theory was not widely known, as far as I can tell, even though all the fundamental rules that lead to it were. Even so, I will note that this effect was predicted theoretically first, which lead to the experimental attempt to observe it. Dr. Minev gives a nice account of the conception in his thesis, which is available at the Yale repository.
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– Rococo
1 hour ago
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It seems to me that any facts confirmed in this experiment were "known" in the sense that a careful analysis of quantum theory agrees with them; on the other hand what is "known" to practicing physicists is sometimes a mix of correct theory with oft-repeated credos that sometimes miss the mark.
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– WillG
1 hour ago
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Very nice. Does the new research teach us anything we didn't already know?
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– WillG
8 hours ago
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Very nice. Does the new research teach us anything we didn't already know?
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– WillG
8 hours ago
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@WillG It's a neat experimental technique, but it has nothing to do with the theoretical underpinnings of QM.
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– knzhou
8 hours ago
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@WillG It's a neat experimental technique, but it has nothing to do with the theoretical underpinnings of QM.
$endgroup$
– knzhou
8 hours ago
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@knzhou But, with respect Schrodinger's cat as a simple explanation of the impact of this recent article... Can the cat be saved? Is that something we weren't able to do before? I know it's a dumb question, but I'm using it as an analogy to the complex quantum mechanics and its dynamics. I'm a humble software engineer
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– BeemerGuy
1 hour ago
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@knzhou But, with respect Schrodinger's cat as a simple explanation of the impact of this recent article... Can the cat be saved? Is that something we weren't able to do before? I know it's a dumb question, but I'm using it as an analogy to the complex quantum mechanics and its dynamics. I'm a humble software engineer
$endgroup$
– BeemerGuy
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
@WillG As far as I can tell, there is something 'new' here in that it was not widely known that, in a suitably engineered system, quantum jumps leave a signature in some sense before they are completed. That is, this particular consequence of quantum theory was not widely known, as far as I can tell, even though all the fundamental rules that lead to it were. Even so, I will note that this effect was predicted theoretically first, which lead to the experimental attempt to observe it. Dr. Minev gives a nice account of the conception in his thesis, which is available at the Yale repository.
$endgroup$
– Rococo
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
@WillG As far as I can tell, there is something 'new' here in that it was not widely known that, in a suitably engineered system, quantum jumps leave a signature in some sense before they are completed. That is, this particular consequence of quantum theory was not widely known, as far as I can tell, even though all the fundamental rules that lead to it were. Even so, I will note that this effect was predicted theoretically first, which lead to the experimental attempt to observe it. Dr. Minev gives a nice account of the conception in his thesis, which is available at the Yale repository.
$endgroup$
– Rococo
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
It seems to me that any facts confirmed in this experiment were "known" in the sense that a careful analysis of quantum theory agrees with them; on the other hand what is "known" to practicing physicists is sometimes a mix of correct theory with oft-repeated credos that sometimes miss the mark.
$endgroup$
– WillG
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
It seems to me that any facts confirmed in this experiment were "known" in the sense that a careful analysis of quantum theory agrees with them; on the other hand what is "known" to practicing physicists is sometimes a mix of correct theory with oft-repeated credos that sometimes miss the mark.
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– WillG
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