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What is the oldest commercial MS-DOS program that can run on modern versions of Windows without third-party software?
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What is the oldest commercial MS-DOS program that can run on modern versions of Windows (such as Windows 8.1 or Windows 10) without third-party emulators?
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What is the oldest commercial MS-DOS program that can run on modern versions of Windows (such as Windows 8.1 or Windows 10) without third-party emulators?
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It's not the oldest, but I still have clients of mine running the MS-DOS version of my accounting software on 32-bit versions of Windows. I even offered to give them my Windows version for free, but as long as they keep paying me support money, I keep the software current (within reason). Specifically, payroll changes for tax revisions. The code itself was ported from Radio Shack Model I in the late 70's, I took over maintenance around 1985, currently MS-BASIC 7.1
– Bill Hileman
6 hours ago
2
@BillHileman wow, I would think cumulative tax code changes would eat you to death, I.E. the ever increasing complexity would exceed the limits of the legacy platform.
– Harper
2 hours ago
2
@Harper I made the system flexible enough that it's been able to keep up with the changes so far. The last major change I had to made was regarding FICA where a new ceiling was added where a different rate kicked-in, but it's been able to survive with just tax table data entry over all this time otherwise, and yes, payroll taxes are incredibly complex programming-wise.
– Bill Hileman
2 hours ago
I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because open-ended "find it for me"-style questions do not work well in the Stack Exchange model. There is no way of confirming the one, true answer, and questions like this inevitably attract a large number of potentially correct answers without specific references or facts to back them up. It is not a practical problem faced in the hobby of retrocomputing or when using vintage computer hardware or software.
– Cody Gray
17 mins ago
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What is the oldest commercial MS-DOS program that can run on modern versions of Windows (such as Windows 8.1 or Windows 10) without third-party emulators?
history ms-dos ibm-pc
asked 11 hours ago
AnixxAnixx
21225
What is the oldest commercial MS-DOS program that can run on modern versions of Windows (such as Windows 8.1 or Windows 10) without third-party emulators?
history ms-dos ibm-pc
history ms-dos ibm-pc
asked 11 hours ago
AnixxAnixx
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asked 11 hours ago
AnixxAnixx
21225
asked 11 hours ago
AnixxAnixx
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asked 11 hours ago
AnixxAnixx
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It's not the oldest, but I still have clients of mine running the MS-DOS version of my accounting software on 32-bit versions of Windows. I even offered to give them my Windows version for free, but as long as they keep paying me support money, I keep the software current (within reason). Specifically, payroll changes for tax revisions. The code itself was ported from Radio Shack Model I in the late 70's, I took over maintenance around 1985, currently MS-BASIC 7.1
– Bill Hileman
6 hours ago
2
@BillHileman wow, I would think cumulative tax code changes would eat you to death, I.E. the ever increasing complexity would exceed the limits of the legacy platform.
– Harper
2 hours ago
2
@Harper I made the system flexible enough that it's been able to keep up with the changes so far. The last major change I had to made was regarding FICA where a new ceiling was added where a different rate kicked-in, but it's been able to survive with just tax table data entry over all this time otherwise, and yes, payroll taxes are incredibly complex programming-wise.
– Bill Hileman
2 hours ago
I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because open-ended "find it for me"-style questions do not work well in the Stack Exchange model. There is no way of confirming the one, true answer, and questions like this inevitably attract a large number of potentially correct answers without specific references or facts to back them up. It is not a practical problem faced in the hobby of retrocomputing or when using vintage computer hardware or software.
– Cody Gray
17 mins ago
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2
It's not the oldest, but I still have clients of mine running the MS-DOS version of my accounting software on 32-bit versions of Windows. I even offered to give them my Windows version for free, but as long as they keep paying me support money, I keep the software current (within reason). Specifically, payroll changes for tax revisions. The code itself was ported from Radio Shack Model I in the late 70's, I took over maintenance around 1985, currently MS-BASIC 7.1
– Bill Hileman
6 hours ago
2
@BillHileman wow, I would think cumulative tax code changes would eat you to death, I.E. the ever increasing complexity would exceed the limits of the legacy platform.
– Harper
2 hours ago
2
@Harper I made the system flexible enough that it's been able to keep up with the changes so far. The last major change I had to made was regarding FICA where a new ceiling was added where a different rate kicked-in, but it's been able to survive with just tax table data entry over all this time otherwise, and yes, payroll taxes are incredibly complex programming-wise.
– Bill Hileman
2 hours ago
I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because open-ended "find it for me"-style questions do not work well in the Stack Exchange model. There is no way of confirming the one, true answer, and questions like this inevitably attract a large number of potentially correct answers without specific references or facts to back them up. It is not a practical problem faced in the hobby of retrocomputing or when using vintage computer hardware or software.
– Cody Gray
17 mins ago
2
2
It's not the oldest, but I still have clients of mine running the MS-DOS version of my accounting software on 32-bit versions of Windows. I even offered to give them my Windows version for free, but as long as they keep paying me support money, I keep the software current (within reason). Specifically, payroll changes for tax revisions. The code itself was ported from Radio Shack Model I in the late 70's, I took over maintenance around 1985, currently MS-BASIC 7.1
– Bill Hileman
6 hours ago
It's not the oldest, but I still have clients of mine running the MS-DOS version of my accounting software on 32-bit versions of Windows. I even offered to give them my Windows version for free, but as long as they keep paying me support money, I keep the software current (within reason). Specifically, payroll changes for tax revisions. The code itself was ported from Radio Shack Model I in the late 70's, I took over maintenance around 1985, currently MS-BASIC 7.1
– Bill Hileman
6 hours ago
2
2
@BillHileman wow, I would think cumulative tax code changes would eat you to death, I.E. the ever increasing complexity would exceed the limits of the legacy platform.
– Harper
2 hours ago
@BillHileman wow, I would think cumulative tax code changes would eat you to death, I.E. the ever increasing complexity would exceed the limits of the legacy platform.
– Harper
2 hours ago
2
2
@Harper I made the system flexible enough that it's been able to keep up with the changes so far. The last major change I had to made was regarding FICA where a new ceiling was added where a different rate kicked-in, but it's been able to survive with just tax table data entry over all this time otherwise, and yes, payroll taxes are incredibly complex programming-wise.
– Bill Hileman
2 hours ago
@Harper I made the system flexible enough that it's been able to keep up with the changes so far. The last major change I had to made was regarding FICA where a new ceiling was added where a different rate kicked-in, but it's been able to survive with just tax table data entry over all this time otherwise, and yes, payroll taxes are incredibly complex programming-wise.
– Bill Hileman
2 hours ago
I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because open-ended "find it for me"-style questions do not work well in the Stack Exchange model. There is no way of confirming the one, true answer, and questions like this inevitably attract a large number of potentially correct answers without specific references or facts to back them up. It is not a practical problem faced in the hobby of retrocomputing or when using vintage computer hardware or software.
– Cody Gray
17 mins ago
I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because open-ended "find it for me"-style questions do not work well in the Stack Exchange model. There is no way of confirming the one, true answer, and questions like this inevitably attract a large number of potentially correct answers without specific references or facts to back them up. It is not a practical problem faced in the hobby of retrocomputing or when using vintage computer hardware or software.
– Cody Gray
17 mins ago
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The 32-bit versions of Windows can still run many DOS binaries directly, using NTVDM, and VisiCalc stills works. VisiCalc was available at launch with the IBM PC, so is probably qualifies as the oldest commercial DOS program which can still run on modern versions of Windows without third-party software.
answered 10 hours ago
Stephen KittStephen Kitt
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Does it in fact run?
– Anixx
10 hours ago
1
I can confirm that it will not run on 64 bit windows 7, but the answer notes 32 bit, and this confirms the exclusion.
– fred_dot_u
9 hours ago
Just confirmed it works on 32-bit Windows 7. Takes a little while to start (similar to runningdebug), which I believe/suspect is because it fires some kind of a 16-bit VM in which to run it.
– TripeHound
8 hours ago
@StephenKitt Looks like it is using NTVDM -- just that my machine is quite long in the tooth!
– TripeHound
8 hours ago
Just checked on Windows 10 Home 32-bit and it was using NTVDM to run MS-DOS programs.
– Ross Ridge
8 hours ago
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The 32-bit versions of Windows can still run many DOS binaries directly, using NTVDM, and VisiCalc stills works. VisiCalc was available at launch with the IBM PC, so is probably qualifies as the oldest commercial DOS program which can still run on modern versions of Windows without third-party software.
answered 10 hours ago
Stephen KittStephen Kitt
45.3k8188192
2
Does it in fact run?
– Anixx
10 hours ago
1
I can confirm that it will not run on 64 bit windows 7, but the answer notes 32 bit, and this confirms the exclusion.
– fred_dot_u
9 hours ago
Just confirmed it works on 32-bit Windows 7. Takes a little while to start (similar to runningdebug), which I believe/suspect is because it fires some kind of a 16-bit VM in which to run it.
– TripeHound
8 hours ago
@StephenKitt Looks like it is using NTVDM -- just that my machine is quite long in the tooth!
– TripeHound
8 hours ago
Just checked on Windows 10 Home 32-bit and it was using NTVDM to run MS-DOS programs.
– Ross Ridge
8 hours ago
|
show 2 more comments
The 32-bit versions of Windows can still run many DOS binaries directly, using NTVDM, and VisiCalc stills works. VisiCalc was available at launch with the IBM PC, so is probably qualifies as the oldest commercial DOS program which can still run on modern versions of Windows without third-party software.
answered 10 hours ago
Stephen KittStephen Kitt
45.3k8188192
2
Does it in fact run?
– Anixx
10 hours ago
1
I can confirm that it will not run on 64 bit windows 7, but the answer notes 32 bit, and this confirms the exclusion.
– fred_dot_u
9 hours ago
Just confirmed it works on 32-bit Windows 7. Takes a little while to start (similar to runningdebug), which I believe/suspect is because it fires some kind of a 16-bit VM in which to run it.
– TripeHound
8 hours ago
@StephenKitt Looks like it is using NTVDM -- just that my machine is quite long in the tooth!
– TripeHound
8 hours ago
Just checked on Windows 10 Home 32-bit and it was using NTVDM to run MS-DOS programs.
– Ross Ridge
8 hours ago
|
show 2 more comments
The 32-bit versions of Windows can still run many DOS binaries directly, using NTVDM, and VisiCalc stills works. VisiCalc was available at launch with the IBM PC, so is probably qualifies as the oldest commercial DOS program which can still run on modern versions of Windows without third-party software.
answered 10 hours ago
Stephen KittStephen Kitt
45.3k8188192
The 32-bit versions of Windows can still run many DOS binaries directly, using NTVDM, and VisiCalc stills works. VisiCalc was available at launch with the IBM PC, so is probably qualifies as the oldest commercial DOS program which can still run on modern versions of Windows without third-party software.
answered 10 hours ago
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Does it in fact run?
– Anixx
10 hours ago
1
I can confirm that it will not run on 64 bit windows 7, but the answer notes 32 bit, and this confirms the exclusion.
– fred_dot_u
9 hours ago
Just confirmed it works on 32-bit Windows 7. Takes a little while to start (similar to runningdebug), which I believe/suspect is because it fires some kind of a 16-bit VM in which to run it.
– TripeHound
8 hours ago
@StephenKitt Looks like it is using NTVDM -- just that my machine is quite long in the tooth!
– TripeHound
8 hours ago
Just checked on Windows 10 Home 32-bit and it was using NTVDM to run MS-DOS programs.
– Ross Ridge
8 hours ago
|
show 2 more comments
2
Does it in fact run?
– Anixx
10 hours ago
1
I can confirm that it will not run on 64 bit windows 7, but the answer notes 32 bit, and this confirms the exclusion.
– fred_dot_u
9 hours ago
Just confirmed it works on 32-bit Windows 7. Takes a little while to start (similar to runningdebug), which I believe/suspect is because it fires some kind of a 16-bit VM in which to run it.
– TripeHound
8 hours ago
@StephenKitt Looks like it is using NTVDM -- just that my machine is quite long in the tooth!
– TripeHound
8 hours ago
Just checked on Windows 10 Home 32-bit and it was using NTVDM to run MS-DOS programs.
– Ross Ridge
8 hours ago
2
2
Does it in fact run?
– Anixx
10 hours ago
Does it in fact run?
– Anixx
10 hours ago
1
1
I can confirm that it will not run on 64 bit windows 7, but the answer notes 32 bit, and this confirms the exclusion.
– fred_dot_u
9 hours ago
I can confirm that it will not run on 64 bit windows 7, but the answer notes 32 bit, and this confirms the exclusion.
– fred_dot_u
9 hours ago
Just confirmed it works on 32-bit Windows 7. Takes a little while to start (similar to running
debug), which I believe/suspect is because it fires some kind of a 16-bit VM in which to run it.– TripeHound
8 hours ago
Just confirmed it works on 32-bit Windows 7. Takes a little while to start (similar to running
debug), which I believe/suspect is because it fires some kind of a 16-bit VM in which to run it.– TripeHound
8 hours ago
@StephenKitt Looks like it is using NTVDM -- just that my machine is quite long in the tooth!
– TripeHound
8 hours ago
@StephenKitt Looks like it is using NTVDM -- just that my machine is quite long in the tooth!
– TripeHound
8 hours ago
Just checked on Windows 10 Home 32-bit and it was using NTVDM to run MS-DOS programs.
– Ross Ridge
8 hours ago
Just checked on Windows 10 Home 32-bit and it was using NTVDM to run MS-DOS programs.
– Ross Ridge
8 hours ago
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It's not the oldest, but I still have clients of mine running the MS-DOS version of my accounting software on 32-bit versions of Windows. I even offered to give them my Windows version for free, but as long as they keep paying me support money, I keep the software current (within reason). Specifically, payroll changes for tax revisions. The code itself was ported from Radio Shack Model I in the late 70's, I took over maintenance around 1985, currently MS-BASIC 7.1
– Bill Hileman
6 hours ago
2
@BillHileman wow, I would think cumulative tax code changes would eat you to death, I.E. the ever increasing complexity would exceed the limits of the legacy platform.
– Harper
2 hours ago
2
@Harper I made the system flexible enough that it's been able to keep up with the changes so far. The last major change I had to made was regarding FICA where a new ceiling was added where a different rate kicked-in, but it's been able to survive with just tax table data entry over all this time otherwise, and yes, payroll taxes are incredibly complex programming-wise.
– Bill Hileman
2 hours ago
I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because open-ended "find it for me"-style questions do not work well in the Stack Exchange model. There is no way of confirming the one, true answer, and questions like this inevitably attract a large number of potentially correct answers without specific references or facts to back them up. It is not a practical problem faced in the hobby of retrocomputing or when using vintage computer hardware or software.
– Cody Gray
17 mins ago