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I had an interesting thing happen in my last session of Dungeons & Dragons 5th edition.

My players' characters are in a dragon-heavy adventure. A player tried to do a Perception check to detect the scent of lilacs. Normally, whenever a character wants to do a Perception check, I just tell them to go for it, though this time I asked them why. It seems that he heard somewhere that a dragon in human form smells of lilacs.

I had never heard of this before. Clearly there are at least 3 relevant questions:

1. Do dragons in human form have a smell that they can be identified by?


2. Are there actually any dragons in human form in the room? (This one I know the answer to.)


3. Even if dragons in human form do have a smell, then how would the character know this? You would think that dragons would want to keep this a secret.

Have any of you heard of anything like this before?

I did not allow the check because he couldn't show how his character would have come across this knowledge. Though I was tempted to have him preform the check only to notice that the room was lined with lilacs.

Their are a few ways this can play out,

1. If there are no dragons, then they can't find one no matter how hard they look.


2. There is someone who smells of lilacs, though if they are or are not a dragon is another matter entirely.


3. There is no way that they should have heard this, so I don't allow the check.

Disclaimer: This answer was written before the addition of the 5e tag. The content below may not be applicable to that specific edition of D&D.

D&D 3.5's Draconomicon actually has several examples of dragons having specific smells. It seems to vary by dragonflight color:

Black - Smells like rotten vegetation and foul water.

Blue - Smells like ozone and sand when upset.

Brass - Smells like hot metal and desert sand.

Bronze - The smell of the sea.

Copper - a "stony" odor.

Gold - Safron and incense.

Green - Chlorine.

Red - Sulfur and pumice.

Silver - The scent of plot devices rain.

White - Couldn't find anything about its scent.

From the classic species, none of them has the smell of lilac. More so, from what is possible to see, it seems that every species of dragon has a different scent, so I would say that no - in general, dragons don't smell like lilac.

Keep in mind: Those are the scents for their regular, dragon form. I wasn't able to find anything regarding their scent either changing or remaining the same when turning into a human.

A bit extra: I was curious about a possible link between lilacs and dragons, and I went on the web to search more about it. There seems to be quite a few references of both "lilac" and "dragon" appearing together, but most of them are irrelevant to this context. There seems to be some fanfic regarding the species of "lilac dragons", but I was too scared to click those links.

Usually, bad things happen when you follow links to fanfic sites.

Very bad things.

Strange fanfics aside, I was able to find a mild link between dragons and the the scent of lilacs on the series Ultimate Magic, by T.A. Barron - The dragon Basilgarrad seems fond of that scent and he seems to be able to produce their smell out of thin air at a given moment. I don't own the books and I was able to check just an excerpt of it, so I don't know the relevance of this.

Anyway, I'll keep an eye out for more flowery-scented, purple-colored, dragon-related content, and update this answer again if I end up finding something else interesting.

As DM, you can decide whether or not dragons have a distinctive smell or not; even if it is written in a book somewhere, you are free to change that.

As DM, you can decide how to determine whether or not a given character would know whether or not a dragon has a distinctive smell, and if so what that smell is. I suggest that, in this case, your best course of action is to treat the suggestion that dragons have a particular smell as the player asking “does my character know of any way to determine a dragon in disguise?” and then ask for an Intelligence check. Which Intelligence check is unclear—unlike previous editions, D&D 5e does not define which Intelligence check covers knowing things about dragons. In previous editions, that would be Arcana, but 5e defines Arcana as dealing with creatures from other planes, so perhaps Nature would be more appropriate. Personally, I would probably let players use either, since dragons are natural creatures that yet have a great deal of arcane relevance, so people trained in either might well know things about them.

And then, as DM, you can decide how hard whatever “tell” they know about is to actually detect. This will probably be a Perception check, since it’s all about recognizing something in your environment, but the DC would be up to you (you could probably make arguments for other skills but most of those are probably not going to be things you can just do inconspicuously when you find yourself in a room of strangers.

So the character may indeed believe the smell of lilac is the smell of dragons in human form. Even if it is false. People are full of wrong beliefs.
I would not have refused the perception roll.

I'd split it like this:

1. What is the character's knowledge on nature? I mean is he actually able to know the smell of lilac?


2. Are there actually lilac near-by?


3. Fact you know or decide as a rule: Dragon in human form have no special scent.


4. Don't contradict the player. He is telling you his character's story and belief. Provide the answer his character deserve to get.

So I'd roll the perception anyway, and if player succeed, has enough nature knowledge, the answer is No, it does not smell anything like lilac.
If player fail reasonably, you may answer that, yes it indeed smells like lilac.
If player fail aggravated, it may feel like it smells lilac without any absolute doubt like there are bushes full of it very near.

Playing with confirmation bias can be fun and a good role-play.

Relevant Questions

1. Do dragons in human form have a smell that they can be identified by?

If you like - there is nothing in the 5e rules to say dragons smell of anything in particular, either in their natural form or their (for good dragons) Change Shape form.

The broader question is, can a dragon be identified as a dragon through Wisdom (Perception)? Again, that’s up to you, the rules are silent. If you decide they can then it makes as much sense as anything else that it’s through their odour.

2. Are there actually any dragons in human form in the room? (This one I know the answer to)

Enough said.

3. Even if dragons in human form do have a smell, then how would the character know this? You would think that dragons would want to keep this a secret.

Because they grew up in a world where dragons are real.

I live in a world where giraffes are real and, despite not living in Africa and having direct exposure limited to zoos, I know a fair bit about giraffes. Certainly enough to know a giraffe when I see one and not to confuse it with, say, a grasshopper.

In a world with dragons (or giraffes), people tell stories and write books (and in world is with giraffes, make nature documentaries) about them. People who live in such a role can know a lot of stuff without being directly exposed to it.

Dragons probably would want to keep it a secret, however, once the secret is out you can’t put the lilac back in the vase. Dragons probably know that people know and may choose to use rose scented perfume if they want to avoid this way of detection - disadvantage on the check perhaps?

Naturally, a lot of other things smell of lilacs. Lilacs, for example. A clever dragon might weave lilacs in their hair or heavily subsidise the production of lilac scented perfume so everyone smells of lilacs.

Of course, what people know to be true may not actually be true - everyone knows dragons smell of lilacs but dragons know the smell of snapdragons (obviously).

How I would play it

1. I would decide if dragons can be detected at all by Wisdom (Perception).


2. Assuming they can I would set a DC.


3. I would ask the player how their character knows about the lilac smell. An answer like “everybody knows” or “my father told me” etc. means that they know this.


4. I would decide if their knowledge is true. If so, I’d give them advantage on the check. If not, I’d give disadvantage. I would probably sow doubt from an NPC: “Lilacs! You don’t believe that old wives tale? Next, you’ll be taking us on a giraffe hunt. Ha, ha, ha.”


5. I would decide if the dragon has taken countermeasures. If so, I would use a contest of Disguise versus Perception.


6. I would decide who else (if anyone) smells like lilacs.


7. Player rolls and is told what they perceive.

Lore

Do dragons in human form have a smell that they can be identified by?

As far as I am aware, there is no lore in any version of Dungeons and Dragons I've played that indicate a dragon polymorphed or not has a distinctive smell. More specifically, I'm am certain there isn't any game mechanics in 5th edition that allows a polymorphed dragon to be identified by smell.

Game Settings

The game system is setting independent, even if the setting your player has read about did have lilac or lavender scented dragons doesn't mean that your setting has to. Currently, the 5e rules were written with Forgotten Realms in mind; but expansions have made with Ravnica, Ebberon and Barovia (in Ravenloft)

RAW

Even if dragons in human form do have a smell, then how would the character know this?

If it did (and even not), the DM could ask the character have to make a history (Do you know the lore), Nature (Do you understand the nature of Dragon anatomy) or Arcana (Does draconic magic have scent) check (your choice) if they think the character might know this information. They would do this before they do the perception check you ask for.

Note: Players shouldn't ask to roll checks. They tell you what they want to do, and you tell them if a check is necessary.

Fun with Meta

I personally, would love using the meta belief to my advantage as a DM. "Roll a history check." They roll poorly, below the DC you set on that information. "Yes, you are positively convinced that dragons smell like lilac." They make a perception check, to see if the person smells, and succeeds.

• If they aren't a dragon, I make them smell like lilac, so the character thinks they are.


• If they are a dragon, I make them smell of overly burnt sandalwood incense.