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  • Maybe you ask the question in view of an other problem. When a program writes large logfiles and keep the filedescriptors open, deleting the files will not help making space free. The ugly program still has 'locked'the filespace.

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  • @WalterA I am only asking out of curiosity, I dont have an issue with open file descriptors or unexpected output, but thank you.

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  • Maybe you ask the question in view of an other problem. When a program writes large logfiles and keep the filedescriptors open, deleting the files will not help making space free. The ugly program still has 'locked'the filespace.

    – Walter A
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  • I don't think that dd/df are doing the caching themselves but it rather some part of the kernel does that automatically

    – Bonsi Scott
    May 4 '14 at 20:49











  • Maybe you ask the question in view of an other problem. When a program writes large logfiles and keep the filedescriptors open, deleting the files will not help making space free. The ugly program still has 'locked'the filespace.

    – Walter A
    May 4 '14 at 21:24











  • @WalterA I am only asking out of curiosity, I dont have an issue with open file descriptors or unexpected output, but thank you.

    – Gregg Leventhal
    May 4 '14 at 22:12



















  • I don't think that dd/df are doing the caching themselves but it rather some part of the kernel does that automatically

    – Bonsi Scott
    May 4 '14 at 20:49











  • Maybe you ask the question in view of an other problem. When a program writes large logfiles and keep the filedescriptors open, deleting the files will not help making space free. The ugly program still has 'locked'the filespace.

    – Walter A
    May 4 '14 at 21:24











  • @WalterA I am only asking out of curiosity, I dont have an issue with open file descriptors or unexpected output, but thank you.

    – Gregg Leventhal
    May 4 '14 at 22:12

















I don't think that dd/df are doing the caching themselves but it rather some part of the kernel does that automatically

– Bonsi Scott
May 4 '14 at 20:49





I don't think that dd/df are doing the caching themselves but it rather some part of the kernel does that automatically

– Bonsi Scott
May 4 '14 at 20:49













Maybe you ask the question in view of an other problem. When a program writes large logfiles and keep the filedescriptors open, deleting the files will not help making space free. The ugly program still has 'locked'the filespace.

– Walter A
May 4 '14 at 21:24





Maybe you ask the question in view of an other problem. When a program writes large logfiles and keep the filedescriptors open, deleting the files will not help making space free. The ugly program still has 'locked'the filespace.

– Walter A
May 4 '14 at 21:24













@WalterA I am only asking out of curiosity, I dont have an issue with open file descriptors or unexpected output, but thank you.

– Gregg Leventhal
May 4 '14 at 22:12





@WalterA I am only asking out of curiosity, I dont have an issue with open file descriptors or unexpected output, but thank you.

– Gregg Leventhal
May 4 '14 at 22:12










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There is no need for caching in df as df does a single statfs() call (per filesystem). And obviously this call does read files on disk and sum up their sizes... The filesystems (e.g. the kernel) keep track of the free space.



du uses (without being aware of that) the page cache all applications use. In order to cache explicitly between runs there would have to be a "du daemon" anyway.






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  • du could have a cache without a daemon. All it has to do is store the directory sizes in a file somewhere, and then read back that file on next run. (not saying it does, just saying a daemon is not needed)

    – Patrick
    May 4 '14 at 21:56













  • @Patrick But without something like inotify this would make caching a probability game.

    – Hauke Laging
    May 4 '14 at 21:59











  • Ah, thats why you meant daemon, so it could monitor real time. Yes, agree :-)

    – Patrick
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There is caching at some level (command or perhaps OS or FS-driver level - probably one of the latter two if you ask me), although forgive me for not knowing more details:



d@s7/mp3Ϡϡ time du -sh /mp3/    
27G /mp3/
du -sh /mp3/ 0.01s user 0.03s system 32% cpu 0.112 total

d@s7/mp3Ϡϡ time du -sh /mp3/
27G /mp3/
du -sh /mp3/ 0.00s user 0.01s system 82% cpu 0.015 total

d@s7/mp3Ϡϡ time du -sh /mp3/
27G /mp3/
du -sh /mp3/ 0.00s user 0.01s system 86% cpu 0.014 total

d@s7/mp3Ϡϡ time du -sh /mp3/
27G /mp3/
du -sh /mp3/ 0.01s user 0.01s system 78% cpu 0.020 total


Results obtained on Ubuntu 15.04 with ext4 filesystem, kernel version 3.19.0-15-generic.






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    confirm, it caches



    see this:



    $du -sh testUpload.txt
    104M testUpload.txt

    $ dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/testUpload.txt bs=1M count=50
    50+0 records in
    50+0 records out
    52428800 bytes (52 MB, 50 MiB) copied, 0.0248501 s, 2.1 GB/s

    $ du -sh testUpload.txt
    104M testUpload.txt

    $ du -sh testUpload.txt
    104M testUpload.txt

    $ ls -al testUpload.txt
    -rw-rw-rw- 1 alfred alfred 52428800 Jul 4 11:50 testUpload.txt





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    • Cannot reproduce. What system is this? What filesystem is /tmp? Which du is it?

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    There is no need for caching in df as df does a single statfs() call (per filesystem). And obviously this call does read files on disk and sum up their sizes... The filesystems (e.g. the kernel) keep track of the free space.



    du uses (without being aware of that) the page cache all applications use. In order to cache explicitly between runs there would have to be a "du daemon" anyway.






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    • du could have a cache without a daemon. All it has to do is store the directory sizes in a file somewhere, and then read back that file on next run. (not saying it does, just saying a daemon is not needed)

      – Patrick
      May 4 '14 at 21:56













    • @Patrick But without something like inotify this would make caching a probability game.

      – Hauke Laging
      May 4 '14 at 21:59











    • Ah, thats why you meant daemon, so it could monitor real time. Yes, agree :-)

      – Patrick
      May 4 '14 at 22:00
















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    There is no need for caching in df as df does a single statfs() call (per filesystem). And obviously this call does read files on disk and sum up their sizes... The filesystems (e.g. the kernel) keep track of the free space.



    du uses (without being aware of that) the page cache all applications use. In order to cache explicitly between runs there would have to be a "du daemon" anyway.






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    • du could have a cache without a daemon. All it has to do is store the directory sizes in a file somewhere, and then read back that file on next run. (not saying it does, just saying a daemon is not needed)

      – Patrick
      May 4 '14 at 21:56













    • @Patrick But without something like inotify this would make caching a probability game.

      – Hauke Laging
      May 4 '14 at 21:59











    • Ah, thats why you meant daemon, so it could monitor real time. Yes, agree :-)

      – Patrick
      May 4 '14 at 22:00














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    There is no need for caching in df as df does a single statfs() call (per filesystem). And obviously this call does read files on disk and sum up their sizes... The filesystems (e.g. the kernel) keep track of the free space.



    du uses (without being aware of that) the page cache all applications use. In order to cache explicitly between runs there would have to be a "du daemon" anyway.






    share|improve this answer













    There is no need for caching in df as df does a single statfs() call (per filesystem). And obviously this call does read files on disk and sum up their sizes... The filesystems (e.g. the kernel) keep track of the free space.



    du uses (without being aware of that) the page cache all applications use. In order to cache explicitly between runs there would have to be a "du daemon" anyway.







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    • du could have a cache without a daemon. All it has to do is store the directory sizes in a file somewhere, and then read back that file on next run. (not saying it does, just saying a daemon is not needed)

      – Patrick
      May 4 '14 at 21:56













    • @Patrick But without something like inotify this would make caching a probability game.

      – Hauke Laging
      May 4 '14 at 21:59











    • Ah, thats why you meant daemon, so it could monitor real time. Yes, agree :-)

      – Patrick
      May 4 '14 at 22:00



















    • du could have a cache without a daemon. All it has to do is store the directory sizes in a file somewhere, and then read back that file on next run. (not saying it does, just saying a daemon is not needed)

      – Patrick
      May 4 '14 at 21:56













    • @Patrick But without something like inotify this would make caching a probability game.

      – Hauke Laging
      May 4 '14 at 21:59











    • Ah, thats why you meant daemon, so it could monitor real time. Yes, agree :-)

      – Patrick
      May 4 '14 at 22:00

















    du could have a cache without a daemon. All it has to do is store the directory sizes in a file somewhere, and then read back that file on next run. (not saying it does, just saying a daemon is not needed)

    – Patrick
    May 4 '14 at 21:56







    du could have a cache without a daemon. All it has to do is store the directory sizes in a file somewhere, and then read back that file on next run. (not saying it does, just saying a daemon is not needed)

    – Patrick
    May 4 '14 at 21:56















    @Patrick But without something like inotify this would make caching a probability game.

    – Hauke Laging
    May 4 '14 at 21:59





    @Patrick But without something like inotify this would make caching a probability game.

    – Hauke Laging
    May 4 '14 at 21:59













    Ah, thats why you meant daemon, so it could monitor real time. Yes, agree :-)

    – Patrick
    May 4 '14 at 22:00





    Ah, thats why you meant daemon, so it could monitor real time. Yes, agree :-)

    – Patrick
    May 4 '14 at 22:00













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    There is caching at some level (command or perhaps OS or FS-driver level - probably one of the latter two if you ask me), although forgive me for not knowing more details:



    d@s7/mp3Ϡϡ time du -sh /mp3/    
    27G /mp3/
    du -sh /mp3/ 0.01s user 0.03s system 32% cpu 0.112 total

    d@s7/mp3Ϡϡ time du -sh /mp3/
    27G /mp3/
    du -sh /mp3/ 0.00s user 0.01s system 82% cpu 0.015 total

    d@s7/mp3Ϡϡ time du -sh /mp3/
    27G /mp3/
    du -sh /mp3/ 0.00s user 0.01s system 86% cpu 0.014 total

    d@s7/mp3Ϡϡ time du -sh /mp3/
    27G /mp3/
    du -sh /mp3/ 0.01s user 0.01s system 78% cpu 0.020 total


    Results obtained on Ubuntu 15.04 with ext4 filesystem, kernel version 3.19.0-15-generic.






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      There is caching at some level (command or perhaps OS or FS-driver level - probably one of the latter two if you ask me), although forgive me for not knowing more details:



      d@s7/mp3Ϡϡ time du -sh /mp3/    
      27G /mp3/
      du -sh /mp3/ 0.01s user 0.03s system 32% cpu 0.112 total

      d@s7/mp3Ϡϡ time du -sh /mp3/
      27G /mp3/
      du -sh /mp3/ 0.00s user 0.01s system 82% cpu 0.015 total

      d@s7/mp3Ϡϡ time du -sh /mp3/
      27G /mp3/
      du -sh /mp3/ 0.00s user 0.01s system 86% cpu 0.014 total

      d@s7/mp3Ϡϡ time du -sh /mp3/
      27G /mp3/
      du -sh /mp3/ 0.01s user 0.01s system 78% cpu 0.020 total


      Results obtained on Ubuntu 15.04 with ext4 filesystem, kernel version 3.19.0-15-generic.






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        There is caching at some level (command or perhaps OS or FS-driver level - probably one of the latter two if you ask me), although forgive me for not knowing more details:



        d@s7/mp3Ϡϡ time du -sh /mp3/    
        27G /mp3/
        du -sh /mp3/ 0.01s user 0.03s system 32% cpu 0.112 total

        d@s7/mp3Ϡϡ time du -sh /mp3/
        27G /mp3/
        du -sh /mp3/ 0.00s user 0.01s system 82% cpu 0.015 total

        d@s7/mp3Ϡϡ time du -sh /mp3/
        27G /mp3/
        du -sh /mp3/ 0.00s user 0.01s system 86% cpu 0.014 total

        d@s7/mp3Ϡϡ time du -sh /mp3/
        27G /mp3/
        du -sh /mp3/ 0.01s user 0.01s system 78% cpu 0.020 total


        Results obtained on Ubuntu 15.04 with ext4 filesystem, kernel version 3.19.0-15-generic.






        share|improve this answer















        There is caching at some level (command or perhaps OS or FS-driver level - probably one of the latter two if you ask me), although forgive me for not knowing more details:



        d@s7/mp3Ϡϡ time du -sh /mp3/    
        27G /mp3/
        du -sh /mp3/ 0.01s user 0.03s system 32% cpu 0.112 total

        d@s7/mp3Ϡϡ time du -sh /mp3/
        27G /mp3/
        du -sh /mp3/ 0.00s user 0.01s system 82% cpu 0.015 total

        d@s7/mp3Ϡϡ time du -sh /mp3/
        27G /mp3/
        du -sh /mp3/ 0.00s user 0.01s system 86% cpu 0.014 total

        d@s7/mp3Ϡϡ time du -sh /mp3/
        27G /mp3/
        du -sh /mp3/ 0.01s user 0.01s system 78% cpu 0.020 total


        Results obtained on Ubuntu 15.04 with ext4 filesystem, kernel version 3.19.0-15-generic.







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            confirm, it caches



            see this:



            $du -sh testUpload.txt
            104M testUpload.txt

            $ dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/testUpload.txt bs=1M count=50
            50+0 records in
            50+0 records out
            52428800 bytes (52 MB, 50 MiB) copied, 0.0248501 s, 2.1 GB/s

            $ du -sh testUpload.txt
            104M testUpload.txt

            $ du -sh testUpload.txt
            104M testUpload.txt

            $ ls -al testUpload.txt
            -rw-rw-rw- 1 alfred alfred 52428800 Jul 4 11:50 testUpload.txt





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            • Cannot reproduce. What system is this? What filesystem is /tmp? Which du is it?

              – muru
              48 mins ago






            • 1





              What is this supposed to be showing?

              – Scott
              44 mins ago
















            -1














            confirm, it caches



            see this:



            $du -sh testUpload.txt
            104M testUpload.txt

            $ dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/testUpload.txt bs=1M count=50
            50+0 records in
            50+0 records out
            52428800 bytes (52 MB, 50 MiB) copied, 0.0248501 s, 2.1 GB/s

            $ du -sh testUpload.txt
            104M testUpload.txt

            $ du -sh testUpload.txt
            104M testUpload.txt

            $ ls -al testUpload.txt
            -rw-rw-rw- 1 alfred alfred 52428800 Jul 4 11:50 testUpload.txt





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            • Cannot reproduce. What system is this? What filesystem is /tmp? Which du is it?

              – muru
              48 mins ago






            • 1





              What is this supposed to be showing?

              – Scott
              44 mins ago














            -1












            -1








            -1







            confirm, it caches



            see this:



            $du -sh testUpload.txt
            104M testUpload.txt

            $ dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/testUpload.txt bs=1M count=50
            50+0 records in
            50+0 records out
            52428800 bytes (52 MB, 50 MiB) copied, 0.0248501 s, 2.1 GB/s

            $ du -sh testUpload.txt
            104M testUpload.txt

            $ du -sh testUpload.txt
            104M testUpload.txt

            $ ls -al testUpload.txt
            -rw-rw-rw- 1 alfred alfred 52428800 Jul 4 11:50 testUpload.txt





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            confirm, it caches



            see this:



            $du -sh testUpload.txt
            104M testUpload.txt

            $ dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/testUpload.txt bs=1M count=50
            50+0 records in
            50+0 records out
            52428800 bytes (52 MB, 50 MiB) copied, 0.0248501 s, 2.1 GB/s

            $ du -sh testUpload.txt
            104M testUpload.txt

            $ du -sh testUpload.txt
            104M testUpload.txt

            $ ls -al testUpload.txt
            -rw-rw-rw- 1 alfred alfred 52428800 Jul 4 11:50 testUpload.txt






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              What is this supposed to be showing?

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            • Cannot reproduce. What system is this? What filesystem is /tmp? Which du is it?

              – muru
              48 mins ago






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              What is this supposed to be showing?

              – Scott
              44 mins ago

















            Cannot reproduce. What system is this? What filesystem is /tmp? Which du is it?

            – muru
            48 mins ago





            Cannot reproduce. What system is this? What filesystem is /tmp? Which du is it?

            – muru
            48 mins ago




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