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Is “stainless” a bulk or a surface property of stainless steel?
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In particular, if I cut a block of stainless steel in half, would the newly formed faces be stainless as well?
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Yes, it is stainless steel throughout. Look up “stainless steel” in wikipedia to see lots of information about the many varieties.
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In particular, if I cut a block of stainless steel in half, would the newly formed faces be stainless as well?
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Yes, it is stainless steel throughout. Look up “stainless steel” in wikipedia to see lots of information about the many varieties.
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Yes, it is stainless steel throughout. Look up “stainless steel” in wikipedia to see lots of information about the many varieties.
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Yes, it is stainless steel throughout. Look up “stainless steel” in wikipedia to see lots of information about the many varieties.
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Yes, it is stainless steel throughout. Look up “stainless steel” in wikipedia to see lots of information about the many varieties.
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"Chrome-plated" is sth that peels off, eventually.
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It is usually a bulk property though you would need to know exact regulations for your country to be certain.
Stainless steel is steel (i.e. iron + a little bit of carbon) alloyed with another metal which makes it resistant to oxidation by atmospheric oxygen (usually chromium). It does not mean though that it would resist to strong acids (e.g. concentrated hydrochloric acid) or strong oxidizers.
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Indeed, for example stainless steel feels like the perfect electrolysis electrode, until you find out it corrodes because of the O+ ions and releases highly toxic chromium compounds in the electrolyte.
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– Tomáš Zato
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Re strong oxidizers, bleach products often say that they're not to be used on stainless.
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– David Richerby
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@David possibility because releases chloride when it breaks down and that attacks SS passive film.
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– Oscar Lanzi
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@Gimelist That is that SteffX meant. How do you alloy two metals together without melting them?
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@Gimelist Ok so sintered stainless steel is indeed a thing. Regardless, melting remains the primary way of alloying two metals together, and this is the sense the OP quite clearly meant. "Melted with another metal" doesn't mean the OP thinks a metal would become stainless just through melting.
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Let's divide the steel world into two classes: 1) rusting steel and 2) stainless steel.
Rusting steel, in the presence of oxygen and moisture, will oxidize, forming hydrated iron oxides/hydroxides which have a greater volume than the original iron, and which have relatively little adhesion to the metal. They curl up and continue to expose bare metal, and so rusting iron/steel will continue to rust.
It was discovered in the early 1900's that addition of 12% or more chromium to iron would produce an alloy that oxidized very slowly, forming a very thin oxide layer that was adherent and did not continue to thicken. It resembled chromium in that respect, and the oxide was probably rich in chromium. Nickel was also found to increase the corrosion resistance of the alloy.
Now the bulk composition affects the surface oxide, but it is the surface that stains, or rusts - or doesn't. If you broke a block of stainless steel in half, in a vacuum, the fresh surfaces would be bare metal, active to many reagents. Exposure of the fresh surfaces to oxygen will oxidize them fairly rapidly (minutes, hours) to a passive state which resists many chemicals, like acids, especially oxidizing acids like nitric. (Interestingly, plain iron dissolves in dilute HNO3, but in concentrated HNO3 (>30%), the oxidizing power of the acid is so great that the surface of the iron is rendered passive: an oxide coat is produced which does not flake off and does not dissolve in the acid.)
Stainless steels are less resistant to chloride ion, which has a way to infiltrate the oxide layer and corrode the base metal. Stainless steels which have been brushed with a wire wheel made of ordinary steel will have a surface contaminated by tiny fragments of regular steel, which will rust. The oxide layer on the stainless steel body will be imperfect, and oxidation will progress thru and under the passive oxide, until the whole stainless steel is corroded.
Since it is the surface of the steel which contacts the active reagent, it would seem that the surface (oxide) is the determining factor, but, of course, the bulk composition strongly affects the surface oxide layer. And the surface needs oxygen to resist further corrosion!
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Btw, is the process with concentrated HNO3 you refer to, actually useful and used for some purposes?
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– Gnudiff
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I expect that nitric acid passivation of regular steel is not as durable as the passivation of stainless steel in air. But passivation of stainless steel with 30% HNO3 is common and there are ASTM specs for it. The HNO3 removes contaminant metals like Cu, Al, Zn and even regular iron from machining so the the passive film is as good as can be. Then it stays good unless chloride sneaks into the picture. But it is a neat demonstration!
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"Stainless" is not a specific definition. The stainless steel with the least alloy is $5% ; ce{Cr}$ ( grade 501) according to AISI (It can't be cut with an oxygen/acetylene torch like regular steel). API considers $ce{Cr :Mo}$ (9:1) as stainless for oil well tubulars. SAE consider $12% ; ce{Cr}$ as stainless (most modern auto exhaust pipe). Stainless cutlery is also $12$ to $13% ; ce{Cr}$. Non-magnetic stainless starts at the proverbial $ce{Cr :Ni}$ (18:8) (Grade 304 and a half dozen other grades). All stainless will resist corrosion in some environments and corrode in others. And, you can make a pretty good income telling people which stainless they need in their specific environment.
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Quick and simple:
Steel = iron + carbon (less than 2%; also called "forgeable iron")
Adding chromium (min. 12 %) makes it stainless. These chromium atoms are spread over the full volume of your block, also on the surface of it. There they create a thin layer of oxygen atoms. This layer makes the steel stainless.
So when you cut your block in half, a new oxygen layer needs to be created first, before you can expose your block to a corrosive environment – and this can take up to 48…72h. If the chromium atoms are covered by something else (casual steel or these colourful residues from welding), the oxygen layer cannot be developed in this area; thus you get a 'hole' there, where your steel is not stainless. That's why you never cut a stainless steel block with tools made of casual steel and always remove the welding residues.
BTW: Aluminium does the same; with the difference that it's oxygen layer is developed within milliseconds instead of hours.
Well, 12% chromium isn't that much. So your oxygen layer is not too 'stable'. For highly corrosive environments (salt water, acid etc.) you may need to add more chromium. Acid takes some oxygen atoms away, populates the surface and thus forms a similar hole in your layer as mentioned above.
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It is usually a bulk property though you would need to know exact regulations for your country to be certain.
Stainless steel is steel (i.e. iron + a little bit of carbon) alloyed with another metal which makes it resistant to oxidation by atmospheric oxygen (usually chromium). It does not mean though that it would resist to strong acids (e.g. concentrated hydrochloric acid) or strong oxidizers.
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Indeed, for example stainless steel feels like the perfect electrolysis electrode, until you find out it corrodes because of the O+ ions and releases highly toxic chromium compounds in the electrolyte.
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– Tomáš Zato
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Re strong oxidizers, bleach products often say that they're not to be used on stainless.
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– David Richerby
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@David possibility because releases chloride when it breaks down and that attacks SS passive film.
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– Oscar Lanzi
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@Gimelist That is that SteffX meant. How do you alloy two metals together without melting them?
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– Ingolifs
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@Gimelist Ok so sintered stainless steel is indeed a thing. Regardless, melting remains the primary way of alloying two metals together, and this is the sense the OP quite clearly meant. "Melted with another metal" doesn't mean the OP thinks a metal would become stainless just through melting.
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It is usually a bulk property though you would need to know exact regulations for your country to be certain.
Stainless steel is steel (i.e. iron + a little bit of carbon) alloyed with another metal which makes it resistant to oxidation by atmospheric oxygen (usually chromium). It does not mean though that it would resist to strong acids (e.g. concentrated hydrochloric acid) or strong oxidizers.
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Indeed, for example stainless steel feels like the perfect electrolysis electrode, until you find out it corrodes because of the O+ ions and releases highly toxic chromium compounds in the electrolyte.
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– Tomáš Zato
yesterday
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Re strong oxidizers, bleach products often say that they're not to be used on stainless.
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– David Richerby
yesterday
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@David possibility because releases chloride when it breaks down and that attacks SS passive film.
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– Oscar Lanzi
yesterday
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@Gimelist That is that SteffX meant. How do you alloy two metals together without melting them?
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– Ingolifs
yesterday
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@Gimelist Ok so sintered stainless steel is indeed a thing. Regardless, melting remains the primary way of alloying two metals together, and this is the sense the OP quite clearly meant. "Melted with another metal" doesn't mean the OP thinks a metal would become stainless just through melting.
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It is usually a bulk property though you would need to know exact regulations for your country to be certain.
Stainless steel is steel (i.e. iron + a little bit of carbon) alloyed with another metal which makes it resistant to oxidation by atmospheric oxygen (usually chromium). It does not mean though that it would resist to strong acids (e.g. concentrated hydrochloric acid) or strong oxidizers.
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It is usually a bulk property though you would need to know exact regulations for your country to be certain.
Stainless steel is steel (i.e. iron + a little bit of carbon) alloyed with another metal which makes it resistant to oxidation by atmospheric oxygen (usually chromium). It does not mean though that it would resist to strong acids (e.g. concentrated hydrochloric acid) or strong oxidizers.
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Indeed, for example stainless steel feels like the perfect electrolysis electrode, until you find out it corrodes because of the O+ ions and releases highly toxic chromium compounds in the electrolyte.
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– Tomáš Zato
yesterday
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Re strong oxidizers, bleach products often say that they're not to be used on stainless.
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– David Richerby
yesterday
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@David possibility because releases chloride when it breaks down and that attacks SS passive film.
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– Oscar Lanzi
yesterday
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@Gimelist That is that SteffX meant. How do you alloy two metals together without melting them?
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– Ingolifs
yesterday
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@Gimelist Ok so sintered stainless steel is indeed a thing. Regardless, melting remains the primary way of alloying two metals together, and this is the sense the OP quite clearly meant. "Melted with another metal" doesn't mean the OP thinks a metal would become stainless just through melting.
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– Ingolifs
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Indeed, for example stainless steel feels like the perfect electrolysis electrode, until you find out it corrodes because of the O+ ions and releases highly toxic chromium compounds in the electrolyte.
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– Tomáš Zato
yesterday
3
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Re strong oxidizers, bleach products often say that they're not to be used on stainless.
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– David Richerby
yesterday
1
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@David possibility because releases chloride when it breaks down and that attacks SS passive film.
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– Oscar Lanzi
yesterday
1
$begingroup$
@Gimelist That is that SteffX meant. How do you alloy two metals together without melting them?
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– Ingolifs
yesterday
2
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@Gimelist Ok so sintered stainless steel is indeed a thing. Regardless, melting remains the primary way of alloying two metals together, and this is the sense the OP quite clearly meant. "Melted with another metal" doesn't mean the OP thinks a metal would become stainless just through melting.
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– Ingolifs
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2
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Indeed, for example stainless steel feels like the perfect electrolysis electrode, until you find out it corrodes because of the O+ ions and releases highly toxic chromium compounds in the electrolyte.
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– Tomáš Zato
yesterday
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Indeed, for example stainless steel feels like the perfect electrolysis electrode, until you find out it corrodes because of the O+ ions and releases highly toxic chromium compounds in the electrolyte.
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– Tomáš Zato
yesterday
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Re strong oxidizers, bleach products often say that they're not to be used on stainless.
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– David Richerby
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Re strong oxidizers, bleach products often say that they're not to be used on stainless.
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– David Richerby
yesterday
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@David possibility because releases chloride when it breaks down and that attacks SS passive film.
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– Oscar Lanzi
yesterday
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@David possibility because releases chloride when it breaks down and that attacks SS passive film.
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– Oscar Lanzi
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@Gimelist That is that SteffX meant. How do you alloy two metals together without melting them?
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– Ingolifs
yesterday
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@Gimelist That is that SteffX meant. How do you alloy two metals together without melting them?
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– Ingolifs
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@Gimelist Ok so sintered stainless steel is indeed a thing. Regardless, melting remains the primary way of alloying two metals together, and this is the sense the OP quite clearly meant. "Melted with another metal" doesn't mean the OP thinks a metal would become stainless just through melting.
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– Ingolifs
yesterday
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@Gimelist Ok so sintered stainless steel is indeed a thing. Regardless, melting remains the primary way of alloying two metals together, and this is the sense the OP quite clearly meant. "Melted with another metal" doesn't mean the OP thinks a metal would become stainless just through melting.
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Let's divide the steel world into two classes: 1) rusting steel and 2) stainless steel.
Rusting steel, in the presence of oxygen and moisture, will oxidize, forming hydrated iron oxides/hydroxides which have a greater volume than the original iron, and which have relatively little adhesion to the metal. They curl up and continue to expose bare metal, and so rusting iron/steel will continue to rust.
It was discovered in the early 1900's that addition of 12% or more chromium to iron would produce an alloy that oxidized very slowly, forming a very thin oxide layer that was adherent and did not continue to thicken. It resembled chromium in that respect, and the oxide was probably rich in chromium. Nickel was also found to increase the corrosion resistance of the alloy.
Now the bulk composition affects the surface oxide, but it is the surface that stains, or rusts - or doesn't. If you broke a block of stainless steel in half, in a vacuum, the fresh surfaces would be bare metal, active to many reagents. Exposure of the fresh surfaces to oxygen will oxidize them fairly rapidly (minutes, hours) to a passive state which resists many chemicals, like acids, especially oxidizing acids like nitric. (Interestingly, plain iron dissolves in dilute HNO3, but in concentrated HNO3 (>30%), the oxidizing power of the acid is so great that the surface of the iron is rendered passive: an oxide coat is produced which does not flake off and does not dissolve in the acid.)
Stainless steels are less resistant to chloride ion, which has a way to infiltrate the oxide layer and corrode the base metal. Stainless steels which have been brushed with a wire wheel made of ordinary steel will have a surface contaminated by tiny fragments of regular steel, which will rust. The oxide layer on the stainless steel body will be imperfect, and oxidation will progress thru and under the passive oxide, until the whole stainless steel is corroded.
Since it is the surface of the steel which contacts the active reagent, it would seem that the surface (oxide) is the determining factor, but, of course, the bulk composition strongly affects the surface oxide layer. And the surface needs oxygen to resist further corrosion!
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Btw, is the process with concentrated HNO3 you refer to, actually useful and used for some purposes?
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– Gnudiff
yesterday
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I expect that nitric acid passivation of regular steel is not as durable as the passivation of stainless steel in air. But passivation of stainless steel with 30% HNO3 is common and there are ASTM specs for it. The HNO3 removes contaminant metals like Cu, Al, Zn and even regular iron from machining so the the passive film is as good as can be. Then it stays good unless chloride sneaks into the picture. But it is a neat demonstration!
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– James Gaidis
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Let's divide the steel world into two classes: 1) rusting steel and 2) stainless steel.
Rusting steel, in the presence of oxygen and moisture, will oxidize, forming hydrated iron oxides/hydroxides which have a greater volume than the original iron, and which have relatively little adhesion to the metal. They curl up and continue to expose bare metal, and so rusting iron/steel will continue to rust.
It was discovered in the early 1900's that addition of 12% or more chromium to iron would produce an alloy that oxidized very slowly, forming a very thin oxide layer that was adherent and did not continue to thicken. It resembled chromium in that respect, and the oxide was probably rich in chromium. Nickel was also found to increase the corrosion resistance of the alloy.
Now the bulk composition affects the surface oxide, but it is the surface that stains, or rusts - or doesn't. If you broke a block of stainless steel in half, in a vacuum, the fresh surfaces would be bare metal, active to many reagents. Exposure of the fresh surfaces to oxygen will oxidize them fairly rapidly (minutes, hours) to a passive state which resists many chemicals, like acids, especially oxidizing acids like nitric. (Interestingly, plain iron dissolves in dilute HNO3, but in concentrated HNO3 (>30%), the oxidizing power of the acid is so great that the surface of the iron is rendered passive: an oxide coat is produced which does not flake off and does not dissolve in the acid.)
Stainless steels are less resistant to chloride ion, which has a way to infiltrate the oxide layer and corrode the base metal. Stainless steels which have been brushed with a wire wheel made of ordinary steel will have a surface contaminated by tiny fragments of regular steel, which will rust. The oxide layer on the stainless steel body will be imperfect, and oxidation will progress thru and under the passive oxide, until the whole stainless steel is corroded.
Since it is the surface of the steel which contacts the active reagent, it would seem that the surface (oxide) is the determining factor, but, of course, the bulk composition strongly affects the surface oxide layer. And the surface needs oxygen to resist further corrosion!
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Btw, is the process with concentrated HNO3 you refer to, actually useful and used for some purposes?
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– Gnudiff
yesterday
2
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I expect that nitric acid passivation of regular steel is not as durable as the passivation of stainless steel in air. But passivation of stainless steel with 30% HNO3 is common and there are ASTM specs for it. The HNO3 removes contaminant metals like Cu, Al, Zn and even regular iron from machining so the the passive film is as good as can be. Then it stays good unless chloride sneaks into the picture. But it is a neat demonstration!
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– James Gaidis
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Let's divide the steel world into two classes: 1) rusting steel and 2) stainless steel.
Rusting steel, in the presence of oxygen and moisture, will oxidize, forming hydrated iron oxides/hydroxides which have a greater volume than the original iron, and which have relatively little adhesion to the metal. They curl up and continue to expose bare metal, and so rusting iron/steel will continue to rust.
It was discovered in the early 1900's that addition of 12% or more chromium to iron would produce an alloy that oxidized very slowly, forming a very thin oxide layer that was adherent and did not continue to thicken. It resembled chromium in that respect, and the oxide was probably rich in chromium. Nickel was also found to increase the corrosion resistance of the alloy.
Now the bulk composition affects the surface oxide, but it is the surface that stains, or rusts - or doesn't. If you broke a block of stainless steel in half, in a vacuum, the fresh surfaces would be bare metal, active to many reagents. Exposure of the fresh surfaces to oxygen will oxidize them fairly rapidly (minutes, hours) to a passive state which resists many chemicals, like acids, especially oxidizing acids like nitric. (Interestingly, plain iron dissolves in dilute HNO3, but in concentrated HNO3 (>30%), the oxidizing power of the acid is so great that the surface of the iron is rendered passive: an oxide coat is produced which does not flake off and does not dissolve in the acid.)
Stainless steels are less resistant to chloride ion, which has a way to infiltrate the oxide layer and corrode the base metal. Stainless steels which have been brushed with a wire wheel made of ordinary steel will have a surface contaminated by tiny fragments of regular steel, which will rust. The oxide layer on the stainless steel body will be imperfect, and oxidation will progress thru and under the passive oxide, until the whole stainless steel is corroded.
Since it is the surface of the steel which contacts the active reagent, it would seem that the surface (oxide) is the determining factor, but, of course, the bulk composition strongly affects the surface oxide layer. And the surface needs oxygen to resist further corrosion!
$endgroup$
Let's divide the steel world into two classes: 1) rusting steel and 2) stainless steel.
Rusting steel, in the presence of oxygen and moisture, will oxidize, forming hydrated iron oxides/hydroxides which have a greater volume than the original iron, and which have relatively little adhesion to the metal. They curl up and continue to expose bare metal, and so rusting iron/steel will continue to rust.
It was discovered in the early 1900's that addition of 12% or more chromium to iron would produce an alloy that oxidized very slowly, forming a very thin oxide layer that was adherent and did not continue to thicken. It resembled chromium in that respect, and the oxide was probably rich in chromium. Nickel was also found to increase the corrosion resistance of the alloy.
Now the bulk composition affects the surface oxide, but it is the surface that stains, or rusts - or doesn't. If you broke a block of stainless steel in half, in a vacuum, the fresh surfaces would be bare metal, active to many reagents. Exposure of the fresh surfaces to oxygen will oxidize them fairly rapidly (minutes, hours) to a passive state which resists many chemicals, like acids, especially oxidizing acids like nitric. (Interestingly, plain iron dissolves in dilute HNO3, but in concentrated HNO3 (>30%), the oxidizing power of the acid is so great that the surface of the iron is rendered passive: an oxide coat is produced which does not flake off and does not dissolve in the acid.)
Stainless steels are less resistant to chloride ion, which has a way to infiltrate the oxide layer and corrode the base metal. Stainless steels which have been brushed with a wire wheel made of ordinary steel will have a surface contaminated by tiny fragments of regular steel, which will rust. The oxide layer on the stainless steel body will be imperfect, and oxidation will progress thru and under the passive oxide, until the whole stainless steel is corroded.
Since it is the surface of the steel which contacts the active reagent, it would seem that the surface (oxide) is the determining factor, but, of course, the bulk composition strongly affects the surface oxide layer. And the surface needs oxygen to resist further corrosion!
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Btw, is the process with concentrated HNO3 you refer to, actually useful and used for some purposes?
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I expect that nitric acid passivation of regular steel is not as durable as the passivation of stainless steel in air. But passivation of stainless steel with 30% HNO3 is common and there are ASTM specs for it. The HNO3 removes contaminant metals like Cu, Al, Zn and even regular iron from machining so the the passive film is as good as can be. Then it stays good unless chloride sneaks into the picture. But it is a neat demonstration!
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Btw, is the process with concentrated HNO3 you refer to, actually useful and used for some purposes?
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I expect that nitric acid passivation of regular steel is not as durable as the passivation of stainless steel in air. But passivation of stainless steel with 30% HNO3 is common and there are ASTM specs for it. The HNO3 removes contaminant metals like Cu, Al, Zn and even regular iron from machining so the the passive film is as good as can be. Then it stays good unless chloride sneaks into the picture. But it is a neat demonstration!
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Btw, is the process with concentrated HNO3 you refer to, actually useful and used for some purposes?
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– Gnudiff
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Btw, is the process with concentrated HNO3 you refer to, actually useful and used for some purposes?
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– Gnudiff
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I expect that nitric acid passivation of regular steel is not as durable as the passivation of stainless steel in air. But passivation of stainless steel with 30% HNO3 is common and there are ASTM specs for it. The HNO3 removes contaminant metals like Cu, Al, Zn and even regular iron from machining so the the passive film is as good as can be. Then it stays good unless chloride sneaks into the picture. But it is a neat demonstration!
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– James Gaidis
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I expect that nitric acid passivation of regular steel is not as durable as the passivation of stainless steel in air. But passivation of stainless steel with 30% HNO3 is common and there are ASTM specs for it. The HNO3 removes contaminant metals like Cu, Al, Zn and even regular iron from machining so the the passive film is as good as can be. Then it stays good unless chloride sneaks into the picture. But it is a neat demonstration!
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"Stainless" is not a specific definition. The stainless steel with the least alloy is $5% ; ce{Cr}$ ( grade 501) according to AISI (It can't be cut with an oxygen/acetylene torch like regular steel). API considers $ce{Cr :Mo}$ (9:1) as stainless for oil well tubulars. SAE consider $12% ; ce{Cr}$ as stainless (most modern auto exhaust pipe). Stainless cutlery is also $12$ to $13% ; ce{Cr}$. Non-magnetic stainless starts at the proverbial $ce{Cr :Ni}$ (18:8) (Grade 304 and a half dozen other grades). All stainless will resist corrosion in some environments and corrode in others. And, you can make a pretty good income telling people which stainless they need in their specific environment.
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"Stainless" is not a specific definition. The stainless steel with the least alloy is $5% ; ce{Cr}$ ( grade 501) according to AISI (It can't be cut with an oxygen/acetylene torch like regular steel). API considers $ce{Cr :Mo}$ (9:1) as stainless for oil well tubulars. SAE consider $12% ; ce{Cr}$ as stainless (most modern auto exhaust pipe). Stainless cutlery is also $12$ to $13% ; ce{Cr}$. Non-magnetic stainless starts at the proverbial $ce{Cr :Ni}$ (18:8) (Grade 304 and a half dozen other grades). All stainless will resist corrosion in some environments and corrode in others. And, you can make a pretty good income telling people which stainless they need in their specific environment.
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"Stainless" is not a specific definition. The stainless steel with the least alloy is $5% ; ce{Cr}$ ( grade 501) according to AISI (It can't be cut with an oxygen/acetylene torch like regular steel). API considers $ce{Cr :Mo}$ (9:1) as stainless for oil well tubulars. SAE consider $12% ; ce{Cr}$ as stainless (most modern auto exhaust pipe). Stainless cutlery is also $12$ to $13% ; ce{Cr}$. Non-magnetic stainless starts at the proverbial $ce{Cr :Ni}$ (18:8) (Grade 304 and a half dozen other grades). All stainless will resist corrosion in some environments and corrode in others. And, you can make a pretty good income telling people which stainless they need in their specific environment.
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"Stainless" is not a specific definition. The stainless steel with the least alloy is $5% ; ce{Cr}$ ( grade 501) according to AISI (It can't be cut with an oxygen/acetylene torch like regular steel). API considers $ce{Cr :Mo}$ (9:1) as stainless for oil well tubulars. SAE consider $12% ; ce{Cr}$ as stainless (most modern auto exhaust pipe). Stainless cutlery is also $12$ to $13% ; ce{Cr}$. Non-magnetic stainless starts at the proverbial $ce{Cr :Ni}$ (18:8) (Grade 304 and a half dozen other grades). All stainless will resist corrosion in some environments and corrode in others. And, you can make a pretty good income telling people which stainless they need in their specific environment.
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Quick and simple:
Steel = iron + carbon (less than 2%; also called "forgeable iron")
Adding chromium (min. 12 %) makes it stainless. These chromium atoms are spread over the full volume of your block, also on the surface of it. There they create a thin layer of oxygen atoms. This layer makes the steel stainless.
So when you cut your block in half, a new oxygen layer needs to be created first, before you can expose your block to a corrosive environment – and this can take up to 48…72h. If the chromium atoms are covered by something else (casual steel or these colourful residues from welding), the oxygen layer cannot be developed in this area; thus you get a 'hole' there, where your steel is not stainless. That's why you never cut a stainless steel block with tools made of casual steel and always remove the welding residues.
BTW: Aluminium does the same; with the difference that it's oxygen layer is developed within milliseconds instead of hours.
Well, 12% chromium isn't that much. So your oxygen layer is not too 'stable'. For highly corrosive environments (salt water, acid etc.) you may need to add more chromium. Acid takes some oxygen atoms away, populates the surface and thus forms a similar hole in your layer as mentioned above.
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Quick and simple:
Steel = iron + carbon (less than 2%; also called "forgeable iron")
Adding chromium (min. 12 %) makes it stainless. These chromium atoms are spread over the full volume of your block, also on the surface of it. There they create a thin layer of oxygen atoms. This layer makes the steel stainless.
So when you cut your block in half, a new oxygen layer needs to be created first, before you can expose your block to a corrosive environment – and this can take up to 48…72h. If the chromium atoms are covered by something else (casual steel or these colourful residues from welding), the oxygen layer cannot be developed in this area; thus you get a 'hole' there, where your steel is not stainless. That's why you never cut a stainless steel block with tools made of casual steel and always remove the welding residues.
BTW: Aluminium does the same; with the difference that it's oxygen layer is developed within milliseconds instead of hours.
Well, 12% chromium isn't that much. So your oxygen layer is not too 'stable'. For highly corrosive environments (salt water, acid etc.) you may need to add more chromium. Acid takes some oxygen atoms away, populates the surface and thus forms a similar hole in your layer as mentioned above.
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Quick and simple:
Steel = iron + carbon (less than 2%; also called "forgeable iron")
Adding chromium (min. 12 %) makes it stainless. These chromium atoms are spread over the full volume of your block, also on the surface of it. There they create a thin layer of oxygen atoms. This layer makes the steel stainless.
So when you cut your block in half, a new oxygen layer needs to be created first, before you can expose your block to a corrosive environment – and this can take up to 48…72h. If the chromium atoms are covered by something else (casual steel or these colourful residues from welding), the oxygen layer cannot be developed in this area; thus you get a 'hole' there, where your steel is not stainless. That's why you never cut a stainless steel block with tools made of casual steel and always remove the welding residues.
BTW: Aluminium does the same; with the difference that it's oxygen layer is developed within milliseconds instead of hours.
Well, 12% chromium isn't that much. So your oxygen layer is not too 'stable'. For highly corrosive environments (salt water, acid etc.) you may need to add more chromium. Acid takes some oxygen atoms away, populates the surface and thus forms a similar hole in your layer as mentioned above.
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Quick and simple:
Steel = iron + carbon (less than 2%; also called "forgeable iron")
Adding chromium (min. 12 %) makes it stainless. These chromium atoms are spread over the full volume of your block, also on the surface of it. There they create a thin layer of oxygen atoms. This layer makes the steel stainless.
So when you cut your block in half, a new oxygen layer needs to be created first, before you can expose your block to a corrosive environment – and this can take up to 48…72h. If the chromium atoms are covered by something else (casual steel or these colourful residues from welding), the oxygen layer cannot be developed in this area; thus you get a 'hole' there, where your steel is not stainless. That's why you never cut a stainless steel block with tools made of casual steel and always remove the welding residues.
BTW: Aluminium does the same; with the difference that it's oxygen layer is developed within milliseconds instead of hours.
Well, 12% chromium isn't that much. So your oxygen layer is not too 'stable'. For highly corrosive environments (salt water, acid etc.) you may need to add more chromium. Acid takes some oxygen atoms away, populates the surface and thus forms a similar hole in your layer as mentioned above.
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Yes, it is stainless steel throughout. Look up “stainless steel” in wikipedia to see lots of information about the many varieties.
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