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How seriously should I take a CBP interview where I was told I have a red flag and could only stay for 30 days?
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I’m 20 year old girl traveling on a ESTA for the second time over a longer period. The first time I used it for a longer 2 months period in June. Then I went home for one month and now I am back.
The reason I am going back is because of my boyfriend who I have been together with for 8 months. I got to know him when I was an au pair in January until February. I only stayed as an au pair for a month because of my host family. We didn’t connect well so we decided to go our own ways.
This is relevant because this time, when I went to the US, I was stopped and asked to go for a more detailed interview for my stay (which this time would be for 84 days).
In the interview, the CBP border contact was asking about my old au pair visa even though I explained I was here on an ESTA. He asked irrelevant questions about my au pair situation and I answered honestly.
Then, he asked for my phone to call my old host mom even though I explained that I don’t have her number. He went through my phone and then called me up to the desk again. He then said that I will get deported if I don’t tell the truth and that I have a red flag. He didn’t explain what the read flag meant so this is my first question.
Then he said I can only stay for one month at a time in the future and that he had translated my conversation in my phone where it said that I will work in the US. I might be a nanny every now and then for a friend, from my country, who lives in the US. This is for free.
He never asked to see my bank account or asked how I will afford it. He only asked what I work with at home and I answered. Even though I’m only 20, I have a lot of money in my account and I don’t need to work in the three months I plan to be in the US to make it.
So to the second question: What will happens if I stayed longer than one month as the CBP border person said? I am traveling on an ESTA that is for 90 days. So what will happens if I stay over 30 days? Will they notice? Will I get deported? What does the flag mean?
When taking the website: i94.cbp.dhs.gov and the link how long can I stay in the US, it says I have 87 days left to stay. And that I got here the 6 of September which is correct. Nothing about a 30 days period etc.
So maybe it’s like you said. They just wanted to scare me?
I’m from Norway.
customs-and-immigration esta borders overstaying norwegian-citizens
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I’m 20 year old girl traveling on a ESTA for the second time over a longer period. The first time I used it for a longer 2 months period in June. Then I went home for one month and now I am back.
The reason I am going back is because of my boyfriend who I have been together with for 8 months. I got to know him when I was an au pair in January until February. I only stayed as an au pair for a month because of my host family. We didn’t connect well so we decided to go our own ways.
This is relevant because this time, when I went to the US, I was stopped and asked to go for a more detailed interview for my stay (which this time would be for 84 days).
In the interview, the CBP border contact was asking about my old au pair visa even though I explained I was here on an ESTA. He asked irrelevant questions about my au pair situation and I answered honestly.
Then, he asked for my phone to call my old host mom even though I explained that I don’t have her number. He went through my phone and then called me up to the desk again. He then said that I will get deported if I don’t tell the truth and that I have a red flag. He didn’t explain what the read flag meant so this is my first question.
Then he said I can only stay for one month at a time in the future and that he had translated my conversation in my phone where it said that I will work in the US. I might be a nanny every now and then for a friend, from my country, who lives in the US. This is for free.
He never asked to see my bank account or asked how I will afford it. He only asked what I work with at home and I answered. Even though I’m only 20, I have a lot of money in my account and I don’t need to work in the three months I plan to be in the US to make it.
So to the second question: What will happens if I stayed longer than one month as the CBP border person said? I am traveling on an ESTA that is for 90 days. So what will happens if I stay over 30 days? Will they notice? Will I get deported? What does the flag mean?
When taking the website: i94.cbp.dhs.gov and the link how long can I stay in the US, it says I have 87 days left to stay. And that I got here the 6 of September which is correct. Nothing about a 30 days period etc.
So maybe it’s like you said. They just wanted to scare me?
I’m from Norway.
customs-and-immigration esta borders overstaying norwegian-citizens
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Are you actually in the US now? You must observe the duration of stay you were given, if you overstay for a relatively short period they probably won’t come looking for you and they won’t prevent you leaving but you would have a (very) hard time ever going back. The ‘flag’ on your passport is not good news, in practical terms it means they doubt your intentions but not enough to deny you entry (for now). You should be aware that several countries ask about previous overstays, so you could end up with problems going elsewhere. Canada and US (and UK, Australia, N Zealand) share immigration data
– Traveller
19 hours ago
6
Just to add that an ESTA is not a visa and doesn’t automatically give you a 90 day stay. The length of stay, and indeed whether you are allowed to enter at all, is determined at the border when you arrive. cbp.gov/travel/international-visitors/… There are lots of related questions about ESTA on TSE eg travel.stackexchange.com/questions/142140/…
– Traveller
19 hours ago
2
To be pedantic, it's not the ESTA which grants you entry, it's the Visa Waiver Program. The ESTA is just a requirement to be allowed to board a plane and request entry under the VWP.
– jcaron
14 hours ago
5
Note that this is the third time in a year you are going to be in the US, including two months as an au pair (January-February), two more months in June-July, and now the intent to stay nearly 3 more months (September-November). That's 7 months out of 11! You have previously worked (with the relevant visa), you have a boyfriend in the US, you have discussions that talk about working (even if you say that's for free)... Lots of red flags for them, letting them think you might want to live and work in the US.
– jcaron
14 hours ago
2
Working for free counts as working with respect to immigration, right?
– Klaus
12 hours ago
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I’m 20 year old girl traveling on a ESTA for the second time over a longer period. The first time I used it for a longer 2 months period in June. Then I went home for one month and now I am back.
The reason I am going back is because of my boyfriend who I have been together with for 8 months. I got to know him when I was an au pair in January until February. I only stayed as an au pair for a month because of my host family. We didn’t connect well so we decided to go our own ways.
This is relevant because this time, when I went to the US, I was stopped and asked to go for a more detailed interview for my stay (which this time would be for 84 days).
In the interview, the CBP border contact was asking about my old au pair visa even though I explained I was here on an ESTA. He asked irrelevant questions about my au pair situation and I answered honestly.
Then, he asked for my phone to call my old host mom even though I explained that I don’t have her number. He went through my phone and then called me up to the desk again. He then said that I will get deported if I don’t tell the truth and that I have a red flag. He didn’t explain what the read flag meant so this is my first question.
Then he said I can only stay for one month at a time in the future and that he had translated my conversation in my phone where it said that I will work in the US. I might be a nanny every now and then for a friend, from my country, who lives in the US. This is for free.
He never asked to see my bank account or asked how I will afford it. He only asked what I work with at home and I answered. Even though I’m only 20, I have a lot of money in my account and I don’t need to work in the three months I plan to be in the US to make it.
So to the second question: What will happens if I stayed longer than one month as the CBP border person said? I am traveling on an ESTA that is for 90 days. So what will happens if I stay over 30 days? Will they notice? Will I get deported? What does the flag mean?
When taking the website: i94.cbp.dhs.gov and the link how long can I stay in the US, it says I have 87 days left to stay. And that I got here the 6 of September which is correct. Nothing about a 30 days period etc.
So maybe it’s like you said. They just wanted to scare me?
I’m from Norway.
customs-and-immigration esta borders overstaying norwegian-citizens
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I’m 20 year old girl traveling on a ESTA for the second time over a longer period. The first time I used it for a longer 2 months period in June. Then I went home for one month and now I am back.
The reason I am going back is because of my boyfriend who I have been together with for 8 months. I got to know him when I was an au pair in January until February. I only stayed as an au pair for a month because of my host family. We didn’t connect well so we decided to go our own ways.
This is relevant because this time, when I went to the US, I was stopped and asked to go for a more detailed interview for my stay (which this time would be for 84 days).
In the interview, the CBP border contact was asking about my old au pair visa even though I explained I was here on an ESTA. He asked irrelevant questions about my au pair situation and I answered honestly.
Then, he asked for my phone to call my old host mom even though I explained that I don’t have her number. He went through my phone and then called me up to the desk again. He then said that I will get deported if I don’t tell the truth and that I have a red flag. He didn’t explain what the read flag meant so this is my first question.
Then he said I can only stay for one month at a time in the future and that he had translated my conversation in my phone where it said that I will work in the US. I might be a nanny every now and then for a friend, from my country, who lives in the US. This is for free.
He never asked to see my bank account or asked how I will afford it. He only asked what I work with at home and I answered. Even though I’m only 20, I have a lot of money in my account and I don’t need to work in the three months I plan to be in the US to make it.
So to the second question: What will happens if I stayed longer than one month as the CBP border person said? I am traveling on an ESTA that is for 90 days. So what will happens if I stay over 30 days? Will they notice? Will I get deported? What does the flag mean?
When taking the website: i94.cbp.dhs.gov and the link how long can I stay in the US, it says I have 87 days left to stay. And that I got here the 6 of September which is correct. Nothing about a 30 days period etc.
So maybe it’s like you said. They just wanted to scare me?
I’m from Norway.
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Are you actually in the US now? You must observe the duration of stay you were given, if you overstay for a relatively short period they probably won’t come looking for you and they won’t prevent you leaving but you would have a (very) hard time ever going back. The ‘flag’ on your passport is not good news, in practical terms it means they doubt your intentions but not enough to deny you entry (for now). You should be aware that several countries ask about previous overstays, so you could end up with problems going elsewhere. Canada and US (and UK, Australia, N Zealand) share immigration data
– Traveller
19 hours ago
6
Just to add that an ESTA is not a visa and doesn’t automatically give you a 90 day stay. The length of stay, and indeed whether you are allowed to enter at all, is determined at the border when you arrive. cbp.gov/travel/international-visitors/… There are lots of related questions about ESTA on TSE eg travel.stackexchange.com/questions/142140/…
– Traveller
19 hours ago
2
To be pedantic, it's not the ESTA which grants you entry, it's the Visa Waiver Program. The ESTA is just a requirement to be allowed to board a plane and request entry under the VWP.
– jcaron
14 hours ago
5
Note that this is the third time in a year you are going to be in the US, including two months as an au pair (January-February), two more months in June-July, and now the intent to stay nearly 3 more months (September-November). That's 7 months out of 11! You have previously worked (with the relevant visa), you have a boyfriend in the US, you have discussions that talk about working (even if you say that's for free)... Lots of red flags for them, letting them think you might want to live and work in the US.
– jcaron
14 hours ago
2
Working for free counts as working with respect to immigration, right?
– Klaus
12 hours ago
add a comment |
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Are you actually in the US now? You must observe the duration of stay you were given, if you overstay for a relatively short period they probably won’t come looking for you and they won’t prevent you leaving but you would have a (very) hard time ever going back. The ‘flag’ on your passport is not good news, in practical terms it means they doubt your intentions but not enough to deny you entry (for now). You should be aware that several countries ask about previous overstays, so you could end up with problems going elsewhere. Canada and US (and UK, Australia, N Zealand) share immigration data
– Traveller
19 hours ago
6
Just to add that an ESTA is not a visa and doesn’t automatically give you a 90 day stay. The length of stay, and indeed whether you are allowed to enter at all, is determined at the border when you arrive. cbp.gov/travel/international-visitors/… There are lots of related questions about ESTA on TSE eg travel.stackexchange.com/questions/142140/…
– Traveller
19 hours ago
2
To be pedantic, it's not the ESTA which grants you entry, it's the Visa Waiver Program. The ESTA is just a requirement to be allowed to board a plane and request entry under the VWP.
– jcaron
14 hours ago
5
Note that this is the third time in a year you are going to be in the US, including two months as an au pair (January-February), two more months in June-July, and now the intent to stay nearly 3 more months (September-November). That's 7 months out of 11! You have previously worked (with the relevant visa), you have a boyfriend in the US, you have discussions that talk about working (even if you say that's for free)... Lots of red flags for them, letting them think you might want to live and work in the US.
– jcaron
14 hours ago
2
Working for free counts as working with respect to immigration, right?
– Klaus
12 hours ago
3
3
Are you actually in the US now? You must observe the duration of stay you were given, if you overstay for a relatively short period they probably won’t come looking for you and they won’t prevent you leaving but you would have a (very) hard time ever going back. The ‘flag’ on your passport is not good news, in practical terms it means they doubt your intentions but not enough to deny you entry (for now). You should be aware that several countries ask about previous overstays, so you could end up with problems going elsewhere. Canada and US (and UK, Australia, N Zealand) share immigration data
– Traveller
19 hours ago
Are you actually in the US now? You must observe the duration of stay you were given, if you overstay for a relatively short period they probably won’t come looking for you and they won’t prevent you leaving but you would have a (very) hard time ever going back. The ‘flag’ on your passport is not good news, in practical terms it means they doubt your intentions but not enough to deny you entry (for now). You should be aware that several countries ask about previous overstays, so you could end up with problems going elsewhere. Canada and US (and UK, Australia, N Zealand) share immigration data
– Traveller
19 hours ago
6
6
Just to add that an ESTA is not a visa and doesn’t automatically give you a 90 day stay. The length of stay, and indeed whether you are allowed to enter at all, is determined at the border when you arrive. cbp.gov/travel/international-visitors/… There are lots of related questions about ESTA on TSE eg travel.stackexchange.com/questions/142140/…
– Traveller
19 hours ago
Just to add that an ESTA is not a visa and doesn’t automatically give you a 90 day stay. The length of stay, and indeed whether you are allowed to enter at all, is determined at the border when you arrive. cbp.gov/travel/international-visitors/… There are lots of related questions about ESTA on TSE eg travel.stackexchange.com/questions/142140/…
– Traveller
19 hours ago
2
2
To be pedantic, it's not the ESTA which grants you entry, it's the Visa Waiver Program. The ESTA is just a requirement to be allowed to board a plane and request entry under the VWP.
– jcaron
14 hours ago
To be pedantic, it's not the ESTA which grants you entry, it's the Visa Waiver Program. The ESTA is just a requirement to be allowed to board a plane and request entry under the VWP.
– jcaron
14 hours ago
5
5
Note that this is the third time in a year you are going to be in the US, including two months as an au pair (January-February), two more months in June-July, and now the intent to stay nearly 3 more months (September-November). That's 7 months out of 11! You have previously worked (with the relevant visa), you have a boyfriend in the US, you have discussions that talk about working (even if you say that's for free)... Lots of red flags for them, letting them think you might want to live and work in the US.
– jcaron
14 hours ago
Note that this is the third time in a year you are going to be in the US, including two months as an au pair (January-February), two more months in June-July, and now the intent to stay nearly 3 more months (September-November). That's 7 months out of 11! You have previously worked (with the relevant visa), you have a boyfriend in the US, you have discussions that talk about working (even if you say that's for free)... Lots of red flags for them, letting them think you might want to live and work in the US.
– jcaron
14 hours ago
2
2
Working for free counts as working with respect to immigration, right?
– Klaus
12 hours ago
Working for free counts as working with respect to immigration, right?
– Klaus
12 hours ago
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Further to @Hilmar’s answer, and after update from OP confirming duration of stay per i-94 is 90 days, IMHO the answer to the question is ‘yes, you should take this landing interview seriously’.
A requirement of US law means they start temporary visitor admission decisions from a presumption of immigrant intent. Although your Norwegian citizenship means you can avail yourself of the Visa Waiver Programme, your personal profile is probably risky from an Immigration officer’s point of view. You are young with evidently few ties to home, you have funds available, you have a boyfriend in the US, and you’re building up a history of repeated/frequent visits. So my advice is to educate yourself about the rules (if you’ve not done so already) and make sure you stick to them scrupulously. Maybe think about not staying the full 90 days this trip, and waiting longer between visits.
The thing is. As I meantioned. On there website when I look how many days I have left. It says 87, nothing else. So maybe he just wanted to scare me?
– Johanna
16 hours ago
This is the last time I Will visit for a while. 2020 I wont visit lien this
– Johanna
16 hours ago
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They are not -trying- to scare you, they are telling you clearly that if you overstay the month they gave you you will be in big trouble, barred for anywhere from years to forever. You do not have 90 days, or 87, ar any more than a month (maybe just 30 days, depending on the date they gave you)
– George M
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First, check your admission stamp or record and verify the date. Just because the officer said "1 month", doesn't mean that they only admitted you for one month. There is a depressingly large number of CBP officers that simply get a kick out of scaring and confusing travelers and just want to see you squirm and grovel. It's entirely possible that you got admitted for 90 days, so check the actual document. If that's the case you can pretty much ignore anything the CPB officer said.
If you only got admitted for 30 days, you MUST leave on time. If you overstay, your chances of ever getting back in the US are almost zero for a long long time.
It's possible that CBP officer suspected you want to stay hear since you already had a "work like" stay earlier this year and are back soon for an unusually long period of time. They would also take your country of citizenship into account (which you don't mention, so I can't comment on it).
Unfortunately, the rules are very murky and CBP officers have brought leeway and discretion, so it's perfectly within their rights to cut your stay short or send you back for any reason or no reason at all.
If you actually got a reduced stay, the best you can do at this point, is to play by the rules for now. It may take 2 or 3 more trips to get things back to normal. Make sure you keep proper records of ALL trips to the US and bring them next time you travel. It's perfectly fine to show these records to the CBP officers when asked and say something like "I know I got flagged during a recent immigration although I have no idea why. I've always been very diligent on following the rules and here are my records. Could be please advice my what I need to do to become a normal traveler again?"
If non of that helps, you may need professional advice.
@Johanna You can check your i-94 record here i94.cbp.dhs.gov/I94/#/home if you need to
– Traveller
18 hours ago
So I checked the website above i94.cbp.dhs.gov and in my records it says I have 87 days left. Nothing about a 30 days notice. Maybe they just wanted to scare me after all.
– Johanna
18 hours ago
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I wouldn't claim that 'I've always been very diligent on following the rules', when they have evidence that OP intended to work illegally. Naive in thinking unpaid work waould be OK, perhaps but not diligent.
– richardb
16 hours ago
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@Johanna what about the stamp in your passport? What date does it state? Are they any additional comments or stamps?
– jcaron
14 hours ago
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"Could be please advice my what I need to do to become a normal traveler again?" isn't idiomatic English, perhaps you meant "Could you please advise me ..."?
– Azor Ahai
10 hours ago
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Immigration's job is making sure visitors to this country don't overstay, don't seek employment without the proper visa, don't rely on social services, don't commit crimes, and aren't being trafficked.
He surely wanted to talk to your former employer to avoid a snafu that would cause trouble later, if it turned out you were likely to be returning to her employ. You are an immigration novice and she is probably an immigrant-employer novice, and it's cheap to fix now, and a nightmare later. Also if you didn't mention the boyfriend, this left a big hole in your story that it's his job to fill.
Question 1: Deception
The deception probably fell into one of three areas, based on what he found in your phone. Handing over that phone usually results in a spectacular end to any spinning-of-tales. They check your phone for everything they can.
- you said you didn't have the au pair lady's phone number, yet he found it in your phone. He may see this as minor if it was buried deep.
- you failed to mention your boyfriend as a reason for your visit. That goes very sharply to "overstaying".
- you failed to mention your intent to seek other employment, which is a huge no-no on this visa, and you are expected to know that! "Free" employment counts - in fact it opens up more cans of worms about trafficking and tax evasion.
The penalty for deception is a lifetime ban from entering the US. Probably, they felt that whatever they saw didn't deserve that serious a response, but you've been served notice now.
Question 2: what's 30 days all about
It happens all the time that you say "I'll be staying 5 days" on the entry interview, and then they stamp your visa for 90 days or 180 days or whatever their standard stamp is. However, that is not an invitation. Next entry, they'll compare what you said (which is logged) to what you did ... and judge your trustworthiness by that. So if he made you promise 30 days, better keep your word.
Further, this person is an immigration expert and he is giving you advice. He is saying that if you leave after 30 days, you'll likely be admitted on your next visit. If you stay the full 88 days, it will create the appearance of "living in the US via repeated visits" and you would likely be refused the next time. That is good advice, and you should heed it.
Question 3: Deportion? Really?
Can you be deported? Not likely that CBP would hunt you down. But a chance encounter with police, or with a CBP patrol within the 100 mile border area, it's a possibility. But these aren't likely. Most likely the consequence is being refused entry next time.
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Further to @Hilmar’s answer, and after update from OP confirming duration of stay per i-94 is 90 days, IMHO the answer to the question is ‘yes, you should take this landing interview seriously’.
A requirement of US law means they start temporary visitor admission decisions from a presumption of immigrant intent. Although your Norwegian citizenship means you can avail yourself of the Visa Waiver Programme, your personal profile is probably risky from an Immigration officer’s point of view. You are young with evidently few ties to home, you have funds available, you have a boyfriend in the US, and you’re building up a history of repeated/frequent visits. So my advice is to educate yourself about the rules (if you’ve not done so already) and make sure you stick to them scrupulously. Maybe think about not staying the full 90 days this trip, and waiting longer between visits.
The thing is. As I meantioned. On there website when I look how many days I have left. It says 87, nothing else. So maybe he just wanted to scare me?
– Johanna
16 hours ago
This is the last time I Will visit for a while. 2020 I wont visit lien this
– Johanna
16 hours ago
3
They are not -trying- to scare you, they are telling you clearly that if you overstay the month they gave you you will be in big trouble, barred for anywhere from years to forever. You do not have 90 days, or 87, ar any more than a month (maybe just 30 days, depending on the date they gave you)
– George M
9 hours ago
add a comment |
Further to @Hilmar’s answer, and after update from OP confirming duration of stay per i-94 is 90 days, IMHO the answer to the question is ‘yes, you should take this landing interview seriously’.
A requirement of US law means they start temporary visitor admission decisions from a presumption of immigrant intent. Although your Norwegian citizenship means you can avail yourself of the Visa Waiver Programme, your personal profile is probably risky from an Immigration officer’s point of view. You are young with evidently few ties to home, you have funds available, you have a boyfriend in the US, and you’re building up a history of repeated/frequent visits. So my advice is to educate yourself about the rules (if you’ve not done so already) and make sure you stick to them scrupulously. Maybe think about not staying the full 90 days this trip, and waiting longer between visits.
The thing is. As I meantioned. On there website when I look how many days I have left. It says 87, nothing else. So maybe he just wanted to scare me?
– Johanna
16 hours ago
This is the last time I Will visit for a while. 2020 I wont visit lien this
– Johanna
16 hours ago
3
They are not -trying- to scare you, they are telling you clearly that if you overstay the month they gave you you will be in big trouble, barred for anywhere from years to forever. You do not have 90 days, or 87, ar any more than a month (maybe just 30 days, depending on the date they gave you)
– George M
9 hours ago
add a comment |
Further to @Hilmar’s answer, and after update from OP confirming duration of stay per i-94 is 90 days, IMHO the answer to the question is ‘yes, you should take this landing interview seriously’.
A requirement of US law means they start temporary visitor admission decisions from a presumption of immigrant intent. Although your Norwegian citizenship means you can avail yourself of the Visa Waiver Programme, your personal profile is probably risky from an Immigration officer’s point of view. You are young with evidently few ties to home, you have funds available, you have a boyfriend in the US, and you’re building up a history of repeated/frequent visits. So my advice is to educate yourself about the rules (if you’ve not done so already) and make sure you stick to them scrupulously. Maybe think about not staying the full 90 days this trip, and waiting longer between visits.
Further to @Hilmar’s answer, and after update from OP confirming duration of stay per i-94 is 90 days, IMHO the answer to the question is ‘yes, you should take this landing interview seriously’.
A requirement of US law means they start temporary visitor admission decisions from a presumption of immigrant intent. Although your Norwegian citizenship means you can avail yourself of the Visa Waiver Programme, your personal profile is probably risky from an Immigration officer’s point of view. You are young with evidently few ties to home, you have funds available, you have a boyfriend in the US, and you’re building up a history of repeated/frequent visits. So my advice is to educate yourself about the rules (if you’ve not done so already) and make sure you stick to them scrupulously. Maybe think about not staying the full 90 days this trip, and waiting longer between visits.
answered 17 hours ago
TravellerTraveller
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The thing is. As I meantioned. On there website when I look how many days I have left. It says 87, nothing else. So maybe he just wanted to scare me?
– Johanna
16 hours ago
This is the last time I Will visit for a while. 2020 I wont visit lien this
– Johanna
16 hours ago
3
They are not -trying- to scare you, they are telling you clearly that if you overstay the month they gave you you will be in big trouble, barred for anywhere from years to forever. You do not have 90 days, or 87, ar any more than a month (maybe just 30 days, depending on the date they gave you)
– George M
9 hours ago
add a comment |
The thing is. As I meantioned. On there website when I look how many days I have left. It says 87, nothing else. So maybe he just wanted to scare me?
– Johanna
16 hours ago
This is the last time I Will visit for a while. 2020 I wont visit lien this
– Johanna
16 hours ago
3
They are not -trying- to scare you, they are telling you clearly that if you overstay the month they gave you you will be in big trouble, barred for anywhere from years to forever. You do not have 90 days, or 87, ar any more than a month (maybe just 30 days, depending on the date they gave you)
– George M
9 hours ago
The thing is. As I meantioned. On there website when I look how many days I have left. It says 87, nothing else. So maybe he just wanted to scare me?
– Johanna
16 hours ago
The thing is. As I meantioned. On there website when I look how many days I have left. It says 87, nothing else. So maybe he just wanted to scare me?
– Johanna
16 hours ago
This is the last time I Will visit for a while. 2020 I wont visit lien this
– Johanna
16 hours ago
This is the last time I Will visit for a while. 2020 I wont visit lien this
– Johanna
16 hours ago
3
3
They are not -trying- to scare you, they are telling you clearly that if you overstay the month they gave you you will be in big trouble, barred for anywhere from years to forever. You do not have 90 days, or 87, ar any more than a month (maybe just 30 days, depending on the date they gave you)
– George M
9 hours ago
They are not -trying- to scare you, they are telling you clearly that if you overstay the month they gave you you will be in big trouble, barred for anywhere from years to forever. You do not have 90 days, or 87, ar any more than a month (maybe just 30 days, depending on the date they gave you)
– George M
9 hours ago
add a comment |
First, check your admission stamp or record and verify the date. Just because the officer said "1 month", doesn't mean that they only admitted you for one month. There is a depressingly large number of CBP officers that simply get a kick out of scaring and confusing travelers and just want to see you squirm and grovel. It's entirely possible that you got admitted for 90 days, so check the actual document. If that's the case you can pretty much ignore anything the CPB officer said.
If you only got admitted for 30 days, you MUST leave on time. If you overstay, your chances of ever getting back in the US are almost zero for a long long time.
It's possible that CBP officer suspected you want to stay hear since you already had a "work like" stay earlier this year and are back soon for an unusually long period of time. They would also take your country of citizenship into account (which you don't mention, so I can't comment on it).
Unfortunately, the rules are very murky and CBP officers have brought leeway and discretion, so it's perfectly within their rights to cut your stay short or send you back for any reason or no reason at all.
If you actually got a reduced stay, the best you can do at this point, is to play by the rules for now. It may take 2 or 3 more trips to get things back to normal. Make sure you keep proper records of ALL trips to the US and bring them next time you travel. It's perfectly fine to show these records to the CBP officers when asked and say something like "I know I got flagged during a recent immigration although I have no idea why. I've always been very diligent on following the rules and here are my records. Could be please advice my what I need to do to become a normal traveler again?"
If non of that helps, you may need professional advice.
@Johanna You can check your i-94 record here i94.cbp.dhs.gov/I94/#/home if you need to
– Traveller
18 hours ago
So I checked the website above i94.cbp.dhs.gov and in my records it says I have 87 days left. Nothing about a 30 days notice. Maybe they just wanted to scare me after all.
– Johanna
18 hours ago
7
I wouldn't claim that 'I've always been very diligent on following the rules', when they have evidence that OP intended to work illegally. Naive in thinking unpaid work waould be OK, perhaps but not diligent.
– richardb
16 hours ago
1
@Johanna what about the stamp in your passport? What date does it state? Are they any additional comments or stamps?
– jcaron
14 hours ago
1
"Could be please advice my what I need to do to become a normal traveler again?" isn't idiomatic English, perhaps you meant "Could you please advise me ..."?
– Azor Ahai
10 hours ago
add a comment |
First, check your admission stamp or record and verify the date. Just because the officer said "1 month", doesn't mean that they only admitted you for one month. There is a depressingly large number of CBP officers that simply get a kick out of scaring and confusing travelers and just want to see you squirm and grovel. It's entirely possible that you got admitted for 90 days, so check the actual document. If that's the case you can pretty much ignore anything the CPB officer said.
If you only got admitted for 30 days, you MUST leave on time. If you overstay, your chances of ever getting back in the US are almost zero for a long long time.
It's possible that CBP officer suspected you want to stay hear since you already had a "work like" stay earlier this year and are back soon for an unusually long period of time. They would also take your country of citizenship into account (which you don't mention, so I can't comment on it).
Unfortunately, the rules are very murky and CBP officers have brought leeway and discretion, so it's perfectly within their rights to cut your stay short or send you back for any reason or no reason at all.
If you actually got a reduced stay, the best you can do at this point, is to play by the rules for now. It may take 2 or 3 more trips to get things back to normal. Make sure you keep proper records of ALL trips to the US and bring them next time you travel. It's perfectly fine to show these records to the CBP officers when asked and say something like "I know I got flagged during a recent immigration although I have no idea why. I've always been very diligent on following the rules and here are my records. Could be please advice my what I need to do to become a normal traveler again?"
If non of that helps, you may need professional advice.
@Johanna You can check your i-94 record here i94.cbp.dhs.gov/I94/#/home if you need to
– Traveller
18 hours ago
So I checked the website above i94.cbp.dhs.gov and in my records it says I have 87 days left. Nothing about a 30 days notice. Maybe they just wanted to scare me after all.
– Johanna
18 hours ago
7
I wouldn't claim that 'I've always been very diligent on following the rules', when they have evidence that OP intended to work illegally. Naive in thinking unpaid work waould be OK, perhaps but not diligent.
– richardb
16 hours ago
1
@Johanna what about the stamp in your passport? What date does it state? Are they any additional comments or stamps?
– jcaron
14 hours ago
1
"Could be please advice my what I need to do to become a normal traveler again?" isn't idiomatic English, perhaps you meant "Could you please advise me ..."?
– Azor Ahai
10 hours ago
add a comment |
First, check your admission stamp or record and verify the date. Just because the officer said "1 month", doesn't mean that they only admitted you for one month. There is a depressingly large number of CBP officers that simply get a kick out of scaring and confusing travelers and just want to see you squirm and grovel. It's entirely possible that you got admitted for 90 days, so check the actual document. If that's the case you can pretty much ignore anything the CPB officer said.
If you only got admitted for 30 days, you MUST leave on time. If you overstay, your chances of ever getting back in the US are almost zero for a long long time.
It's possible that CBP officer suspected you want to stay hear since you already had a "work like" stay earlier this year and are back soon for an unusually long period of time. They would also take your country of citizenship into account (which you don't mention, so I can't comment on it).
Unfortunately, the rules are very murky and CBP officers have brought leeway and discretion, so it's perfectly within their rights to cut your stay short or send you back for any reason or no reason at all.
If you actually got a reduced stay, the best you can do at this point, is to play by the rules for now. It may take 2 or 3 more trips to get things back to normal. Make sure you keep proper records of ALL trips to the US and bring them next time you travel. It's perfectly fine to show these records to the CBP officers when asked and say something like "I know I got flagged during a recent immigration although I have no idea why. I've always been very diligent on following the rules and here are my records. Could be please advice my what I need to do to become a normal traveler again?"
If non of that helps, you may need professional advice.
First, check your admission stamp or record and verify the date. Just because the officer said "1 month", doesn't mean that they only admitted you for one month. There is a depressingly large number of CBP officers that simply get a kick out of scaring and confusing travelers and just want to see you squirm and grovel. It's entirely possible that you got admitted for 90 days, so check the actual document. If that's the case you can pretty much ignore anything the CPB officer said.
If you only got admitted for 30 days, you MUST leave on time. If you overstay, your chances of ever getting back in the US are almost zero for a long long time.
It's possible that CBP officer suspected you want to stay hear since you already had a "work like" stay earlier this year and are back soon for an unusually long period of time. They would also take your country of citizenship into account (which you don't mention, so I can't comment on it).
Unfortunately, the rules are very murky and CBP officers have brought leeway and discretion, so it's perfectly within their rights to cut your stay short or send you back for any reason or no reason at all.
If you actually got a reduced stay, the best you can do at this point, is to play by the rules for now. It may take 2 or 3 more trips to get things back to normal. Make sure you keep proper records of ALL trips to the US and bring them next time you travel. It's perfectly fine to show these records to the CBP officers when asked and say something like "I know I got flagged during a recent immigration although I have no idea why. I've always been very diligent on following the rules and here are my records. Could be please advice my what I need to do to become a normal traveler again?"
If non of that helps, you may need professional advice.
answered 18 hours ago
HilmarHilmar
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@Johanna You can check your i-94 record here i94.cbp.dhs.gov/I94/#/home if you need to
– Traveller
18 hours ago
So I checked the website above i94.cbp.dhs.gov and in my records it says I have 87 days left. Nothing about a 30 days notice. Maybe they just wanted to scare me after all.
– Johanna
18 hours ago
7
I wouldn't claim that 'I've always been very diligent on following the rules', when they have evidence that OP intended to work illegally. Naive in thinking unpaid work waould be OK, perhaps but not diligent.
– richardb
16 hours ago
1
@Johanna what about the stamp in your passport? What date does it state? Are they any additional comments or stamps?
– jcaron
14 hours ago
1
"Could be please advice my what I need to do to become a normal traveler again?" isn't idiomatic English, perhaps you meant "Could you please advise me ..."?
– Azor Ahai
10 hours ago
add a comment |
@Johanna You can check your i-94 record here i94.cbp.dhs.gov/I94/#/home if you need to
– Traveller
18 hours ago
So I checked the website above i94.cbp.dhs.gov and in my records it says I have 87 days left. Nothing about a 30 days notice. Maybe they just wanted to scare me after all.
– Johanna
18 hours ago
7
I wouldn't claim that 'I've always been very diligent on following the rules', when they have evidence that OP intended to work illegally. Naive in thinking unpaid work waould be OK, perhaps but not diligent.
– richardb
16 hours ago
1
@Johanna what about the stamp in your passport? What date does it state? Are they any additional comments or stamps?
– jcaron
14 hours ago
1
"Could be please advice my what I need to do to become a normal traveler again?" isn't idiomatic English, perhaps you meant "Could you please advise me ..."?
– Azor Ahai
10 hours ago
@Johanna You can check your i-94 record here i94.cbp.dhs.gov/I94/#/home if you need to
– Traveller
18 hours ago
@Johanna You can check your i-94 record here i94.cbp.dhs.gov/I94/#/home if you need to
– Traveller
18 hours ago
So I checked the website above i94.cbp.dhs.gov and in my records it says I have 87 days left. Nothing about a 30 days notice. Maybe they just wanted to scare me after all.
– Johanna
18 hours ago
So I checked the website above i94.cbp.dhs.gov and in my records it says I have 87 days left. Nothing about a 30 days notice. Maybe they just wanted to scare me after all.
– Johanna
18 hours ago
7
7
I wouldn't claim that 'I've always been very diligent on following the rules', when they have evidence that OP intended to work illegally. Naive in thinking unpaid work waould be OK, perhaps but not diligent.
– richardb
16 hours ago
I wouldn't claim that 'I've always been very diligent on following the rules', when they have evidence that OP intended to work illegally. Naive in thinking unpaid work waould be OK, perhaps but not diligent.
– richardb
16 hours ago
1
1
@Johanna what about the stamp in your passport? What date does it state? Are they any additional comments or stamps?
– jcaron
14 hours ago
@Johanna what about the stamp in your passport? What date does it state? Are they any additional comments or stamps?
– jcaron
14 hours ago
1
1
"Could be please advice my what I need to do to become a normal traveler again?" isn't idiomatic English, perhaps you meant "Could you please advise me ..."?
– Azor Ahai
10 hours ago
"Could be please advice my what I need to do to become a normal traveler again?" isn't idiomatic English, perhaps you meant "Could you please advise me ..."?
– Azor Ahai
10 hours ago
add a comment |
Immigration's job is making sure visitors to this country don't overstay, don't seek employment without the proper visa, don't rely on social services, don't commit crimes, and aren't being trafficked.
He surely wanted to talk to your former employer to avoid a snafu that would cause trouble later, if it turned out you were likely to be returning to her employ. You are an immigration novice and she is probably an immigrant-employer novice, and it's cheap to fix now, and a nightmare later. Also if you didn't mention the boyfriend, this left a big hole in your story that it's his job to fill.
Question 1: Deception
The deception probably fell into one of three areas, based on what he found in your phone. Handing over that phone usually results in a spectacular end to any spinning-of-tales. They check your phone for everything they can.
- you said you didn't have the au pair lady's phone number, yet he found it in your phone. He may see this as minor if it was buried deep.
- you failed to mention your boyfriend as a reason for your visit. That goes very sharply to "overstaying".
- you failed to mention your intent to seek other employment, which is a huge no-no on this visa, and you are expected to know that! "Free" employment counts - in fact it opens up more cans of worms about trafficking and tax evasion.
The penalty for deception is a lifetime ban from entering the US. Probably, they felt that whatever they saw didn't deserve that serious a response, but you've been served notice now.
Question 2: what's 30 days all about
It happens all the time that you say "I'll be staying 5 days" on the entry interview, and then they stamp your visa for 90 days or 180 days or whatever their standard stamp is. However, that is not an invitation. Next entry, they'll compare what you said (which is logged) to what you did ... and judge your trustworthiness by that. So if he made you promise 30 days, better keep your word.
Further, this person is an immigration expert and he is giving you advice. He is saying that if you leave after 30 days, you'll likely be admitted on your next visit. If you stay the full 88 days, it will create the appearance of "living in the US via repeated visits" and you would likely be refused the next time. That is good advice, and you should heed it.
Question 3: Deportion? Really?
Can you be deported? Not likely that CBP would hunt you down. But a chance encounter with police, or with a CBP patrol within the 100 mile border area, it's a possibility. But these aren't likely. Most likely the consequence is being refused entry next time.
add a comment |
Immigration's job is making sure visitors to this country don't overstay, don't seek employment without the proper visa, don't rely on social services, don't commit crimes, and aren't being trafficked.
He surely wanted to talk to your former employer to avoid a snafu that would cause trouble later, if it turned out you were likely to be returning to her employ. You are an immigration novice and she is probably an immigrant-employer novice, and it's cheap to fix now, and a nightmare later. Also if you didn't mention the boyfriend, this left a big hole in your story that it's his job to fill.
Question 1: Deception
The deception probably fell into one of three areas, based on what he found in your phone. Handing over that phone usually results in a spectacular end to any spinning-of-tales. They check your phone for everything they can.
- you said you didn't have the au pair lady's phone number, yet he found it in your phone. He may see this as minor if it was buried deep.
- you failed to mention your boyfriend as a reason for your visit. That goes very sharply to "overstaying".
- you failed to mention your intent to seek other employment, which is a huge no-no on this visa, and you are expected to know that! "Free" employment counts - in fact it opens up more cans of worms about trafficking and tax evasion.
The penalty for deception is a lifetime ban from entering the US. Probably, they felt that whatever they saw didn't deserve that serious a response, but you've been served notice now.
Question 2: what's 30 days all about
It happens all the time that you say "I'll be staying 5 days" on the entry interview, and then they stamp your visa for 90 days or 180 days or whatever their standard stamp is. However, that is not an invitation. Next entry, they'll compare what you said (which is logged) to what you did ... and judge your trustworthiness by that. So if he made you promise 30 days, better keep your word.
Further, this person is an immigration expert and he is giving you advice. He is saying that if you leave after 30 days, you'll likely be admitted on your next visit. If you stay the full 88 days, it will create the appearance of "living in the US via repeated visits" and you would likely be refused the next time. That is good advice, and you should heed it.
Question 3: Deportion? Really?
Can you be deported? Not likely that CBP would hunt you down. But a chance encounter with police, or with a CBP patrol within the 100 mile border area, it's a possibility. But these aren't likely. Most likely the consequence is being refused entry next time.
add a comment |
Immigration's job is making sure visitors to this country don't overstay, don't seek employment without the proper visa, don't rely on social services, don't commit crimes, and aren't being trafficked.
He surely wanted to talk to your former employer to avoid a snafu that would cause trouble later, if it turned out you were likely to be returning to her employ. You are an immigration novice and she is probably an immigrant-employer novice, and it's cheap to fix now, and a nightmare later. Also if you didn't mention the boyfriend, this left a big hole in your story that it's his job to fill.
Question 1: Deception
The deception probably fell into one of three areas, based on what he found in your phone. Handing over that phone usually results in a spectacular end to any spinning-of-tales. They check your phone for everything they can.
- you said you didn't have the au pair lady's phone number, yet he found it in your phone. He may see this as minor if it was buried deep.
- you failed to mention your boyfriend as a reason for your visit. That goes very sharply to "overstaying".
- you failed to mention your intent to seek other employment, which is a huge no-no on this visa, and you are expected to know that! "Free" employment counts - in fact it opens up more cans of worms about trafficking and tax evasion.
The penalty for deception is a lifetime ban from entering the US. Probably, they felt that whatever they saw didn't deserve that serious a response, but you've been served notice now.
Question 2: what's 30 days all about
It happens all the time that you say "I'll be staying 5 days" on the entry interview, and then they stamp your visa for 90 days or 180 days or whatever their standard stamp is. However, that is not an invitation. Next entry, they'll compare what you said (which is logged) to what you did ... and judge your trustworthiness by that. So if he made you promise 30 days, better keep your word.
Further, this person is an immigration expert and he is giving you advice. He is saying that if you leave after 30 days, you'll likely be admitted on your next visit. If you stay the full 88 days, it will create the appearance of "living in the US via repeated visits" and you would likely be refused the next time. That is good advice, and you should heed it.
Question 3: Deportion? Really?
Can you be deported? Not likely that CBP would hunt you down. But a chance encounter with police, or with a CBP patrol within the 100 mile border area, it's a possibility. But these aren't likely. Most likely the consequence is being refused entry next time.
Immigration's job is making sure visitors to this country don't overstay, don't seek employment without the proper visa, don't rely on social services, don't commit crimes, and aren't being trafficked.
He surely wanted to talk to your former employer to avoid a snafu that would cause trouble later, if it turned out you were likely to be returning to her employ. You are an immigration novice and she is probably an immigrant-employer novice, and it's cheap to fix now, and a nightmare later. Also if you didn't mention the boyfriend, this left a big hole in your story that it's his job to fill.
Question 1: Deception
The deception probably fell into one of three areas, based on what he found in your phone. Handing over that phone usually results in a spectacular end to any spinning-of-tales. They check your phone for everything they can.
- you said you didn't have the au pair lady's phone number, yet he found it in your phone. He may see this as minor if it was buried deep.
- you failed to mention your boyfriend as a reason for your visit. That goes very sharply to "overstaying".
- you failed to mention your intent to seek other employment, which is a huge no-no on this visa, and you are expected to know that! "Free" employment counts - in fact it opens up more cans of worms about trafficking and tax evasion.
The penalty for deception is a lifetime ban from entering the US. Probably, they felt that whatever they saw didn't deserve that serious a response, but you've been served notice now.
Question 2: what's 30 days all about
It happens all the time that you say "I'll be staying 5 days" on the entry interview, and then they stamp your visa for 90 days or 180 days or whatever their standard stamp is. However, that is not an invitation. Next entry, they'll compare what you said (which is logged) to what you did ... and judge your trustworthiness by that. So if he made you promise 30 days, better keep your word.
Further, this person is an immigration expert and he is giving you advice. He is saying that if you leave after 30 days, you'll likely be admitted on your next visit. If you stay the full 88 days, it will create the appearance of "living in the US via repeated visits" and you would likely be refused the next time. That is good advice, and you should heed it.
Question 3: Deportion? Really?
Can you be deported? Not likely that CBP would hunt you down. But a chance encounter with police, or with a CBP patrol within the 100 mile border area, it's a possibility. But these aren't likely. Most likely the consequence is being refused entry next time.
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Are you actually in the US now? You must observe the duration of stay you were given, if you overstay for a relatively short period they probably won’t come looking for you and they won’t prevent you leaving but you would have a (very) hard time ever going back. The ‘flag’ on your passport is not good news, in practical terms it means they doubt your intentions but not enough to deny you entry (for now). You should be aware that several countries ask about previous overstays, so you could end up with problems going elsewhere. Canada and US (and UK, Australia, N Zealand) share immigration data
– Traveller
19 hours ago
6
Just to add that an ESTA is not a visa and doesn’t automatically give you a 90 day stay. The length of stay, and indeed whether you are allowed to enter at all, is determined at the border when you arrive. cbp.gov/travel/international-visitors/… There are lots of related questions about ESTA on TSE eg travel.stackexchange.com/questions/142140/…
– Traveller
19 hours ago
2
To be pedantic, it's not the ESTA which grants you entry, it's the Visa Waiver Program. The ESTA is just a requirement to be allowed to board a plane and request entry under the VWP.
– jcaron
14 hours ago
5
Note that this is the third time in a year you are going to be in the US, including two months as an au pair (January-February), two more months in June-July, and now the intent to stay nearly 3 more months (September-November). That's 7 months out of 11! You have previously worked (with the relevant visa), you have a boyfriend in the US, you have discussions that talk about working (even if you say that's for free)... Lots of red flags for them, letting them think you might want to live and work in the US.
– jcaron
14 hours ago
2
Working for free counts as working with respect to immigration, right?
– Klaus
12 hours ago