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When talking about impeaching Trump, everyone mentions a whistleblower. I am under the impression that this means that who he is is not public information.
If he knew such sensitive information, was he required by law to turn it over?
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When talking about impeaching Trump, everyone mentions a whistleblower. I am under the impression that this means that who he is is not public information.
If he knew such sensitive information, was he required by law to turn it over?
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Okay, there are too many questions here, and the answers for each are quite different from one another. Could you clean this up into a single focused question? Also, the topic title is not very helpful at all.
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Welcome to Politics SE! I saw two questions in your original post. The first question, about whether he's required by law to turn this evidence over, is fair game on this site. However, I removed the bit where you appeared to be asking about what his internal motivations could be, which is off-topic on this site.
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I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it's clearly a question about law rather than the process of governing. It belongs on law.SE much more than it does on politics.SE.
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When talking about impeaching Trump, everyone mentions a whistleblower. I am under the impression that this means that who he is is not public information.
If he knew such sensitive information, was he required by law to turn it over?
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When talking about impeaching Trump, everyone mentions a whistleblower. I am under the impression that this means that who he is is not public information.
If he knew such sensitive information, was he required by law to turn it over?
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Okay, there are too many questions here, and the answers for each are quite different from one another. Could you clean this up into a single focused question? Also, the topic title is not very helpful at all.
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Welcome to Politics SE! I saw two questions in your original post. The first question, about whether he's required by law to turn this evidence over, is fair game on this site. However, I removed the bit where you appeared to be asking about what his internal motivations could be, which is off-topic on this site.
– Joe C
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Thanks for your help!
– Burt
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I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it's clearly a question about law rather than the process of governing. It belongs on law.SE much more than it does on politics.SE.
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Welcome to Politics SE! I saw two questions in your original post. The first question, about whether he's required by law to turn this evidence over, is fair game on this site. However, I removed the bit where you appeared to be asking about what his internal motivations could be, which is off-topic on this site.
– Joe C
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– Burt
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I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it's clearly a question about law rather than the process of governing. It belongs on law.SE much more than it does on politics.SE.
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Okay, there are too many questions here, and the answers for each are quite different from one another. Could you clean this up into a single focused question? Also, the topic title is not very helpful at all.
– klojj
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Okay, there are too many questions here, and the answers for each are quite different from one another. Could you clean this up into a single focused question? Also, the topic title is not very helpful at all.
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Welcome to Politics SE! I saw two questions in your original post. The first question, about whether he's required by law to turn this evidence over, is fair game on this site. However, I removed the bit where you appeared to be asking about what his internal motivations could be, which is off-topic on this site.
– Joe C
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Welcome to Politics SE! I saw two questions in your original post. The first question, about whether he's required by law to turn this evidence over, is fair game on this site. However, I removed the bit where you appeared to be asking about what his internal motivations could be, which is off-topic on this site.
– Joe C
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Thanks for your help!
– Burt
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Thanks for your help!
– Burt
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I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it's clearly a question about law rather than the process of governing. It belongs on law.SE much more than it does on politics.SE.
– grovkin
6 hours ago
I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it's clearly a question about law rather than the process of governing. It belongs on law.SE much more than it does on politics.SE.
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At the very least there is an ethical obligation to report.
Standards of Ethical Conduct for Employees of the Executive Branch:
§ 2635.101 Basic obligation of public service.
(b) General principles. The following general principles apply to every employee and may form the basis for the standards contained in this part.
(11) Employees shall disclose waste, fraud, abuse, and corruption to appropriate
authorities.
However, there is, apparently, no legal requirement, except for certain individuals. (Note that the following applies to felonies.)
In the article Misprision of felony specificlly:
United States federal law:
"Misprision of felony" is still an offense under United States federal law after being codified in 1909 under 18 U.S.C. § 4:
Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
This offense, however, requires active concealment of a known felony rather than merely failing to report it.
...
The federal misprision of felony statute is usually used only in prosecutions against defendants who have a special duty to report a crime, such as a government official.
It appears that, if the whistleblower is a government official, there is a legal obligation to report; otherwise, no.
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Reportedly the whistle-blower is a CIA officer.
CIA officers take the United States Uniformed Services Oath of Office, which requires them to defend the US Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.
If they bore witness to something that they swore to protect the Constitution against, it would be a violation of their oath of office not to report it.
It's tough to say if they would face specific charges for failing to serve that oath, but it's not something to be take lightly and failing to serve that oath could be grounds for being removed from office.
So how much jail time do they serve if they don't report it? Or do they have to pay a fine? The question was whether they had a legal obligation to report it. You haven't cited a relevant law.
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At the very least there is an ethical obligation to report.
Standards of Ethical Conduct for Employees of the Executive Branch:
§ 2635.101 Basic obligation of public service.
(b) General principles. The following general principles apply to every employee and may form the basis for the standards contained in this part.
(11) Employees shall disclose waste, fraud, abuse, and corruption to appropriate
authorities.
However, there is, apparently, no legal requirement, except for certain individuals. (Note that the following applies to felonies.)
In the article Misprision of felony specificlly:
United States federal law:
"Misprision of felony" is still an offense under United States federal law after being codified in 1909 under 18 U.S.C. § 4:
Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
This offense, however, requires active concealment of a known felony rather than merely failing to report it.
...
The federal misprision of felony statute is usually used only in prosecutions against defendants who have a special duty to report a crime, such as a government official.
It appears that, if the whistleblower is a government official, there is a legal obligation to report; otherwise, no.
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At the very least there is an ethical obligation to report.
Standards of Ethical Conduct for Employees of the Executive Branch:
§ 2635.101 Basic obligation of public service.
(b) General principles. The following general principles apply to every employee and may form the basis for the standards contained in this part.
(11) Employees shall disclose waste, fraud, abuse, and corruption to appropriate
authorities.
However, there is, apparently, no legal requirement, except for certain individuals. (Note that the following applies to felonies.)
In the article Misprision of felony specificlly:
United States federal law:
"Misprision of felony" is still an offense under United States federal law after being codified in 1909 under 18 U.S.C. § 4:
Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
This offense, however, requires active concealment of a known felony rather than merely failing to report it.
...
The federal misprision of felony statute is usually used only in prosecutions against defendants who have a special duty to report a crime, such as a government official.
It appears that, if the whistleblower is a government official, there is a legal obligation to report; otherwise, no.
add a comment
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At the very least there is an ethical obligation to report.
Standards of Ethical Conduct for Employees of the Executive Branch:
§ 2635.101 Basic obligation of public service.
(b) General principles. The following general principles apply to every employee and may form the basis for the standards contained in this part.
(11) Employees shall disclose waste, fraud, abuse, and corruption to appropriate
authorities.
However, there is, apparently, no legal requirement, except for certain individuals. (Note that the following applies to felonies.)
In the article Misprision of felony specificlly:
United States federal law:
"Misprision of felony" is still an offense under United States federal law after being codified in 1909 under 18 U.S.C. § 4:
Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
This offense, however, requires active concealment of a known felony rather than merely failing to report it.
...
The federal misprision of felony statute is usually used only in prosecutions against defendants who have a special duty to report a crime, such as a government official.
It appears that, if the whistleblower is a government official, there is a legal obligation to report; otherwise, no.
At the very least there is an ethical obligation to report.
Standards of Ethical Conduct for Employees of the Executive Branch:
§ 2635.101 Basic obligation of public service.
(b) General principles. The following general principles apply to every employee and may form the basis for the standards contained in this part.
(11) Employees shall disclose waste, fraud, abuse, and corruption to appropriate
authorities.
However, there is, apparently, no legal requirement, except for certain individuals. (Note that the following applies to felonies.)
In the article Misprision of felony specificlly:
United States federal law:
"Misprision of felony" is still an offense under United States federal law after being codified in 1909 under 18 U.S.C. § 4:
Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
This offense, however, requires active concealment of a known felony rather than merely failing to report it.
...
The federal misprision of felony statute is usually used only in prosecutions against defendants who have a special duty to report a crime, such as a government official.
It appears that, if the whistleblower is a government official, there is a legal obligation to report; otherwise, no.
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Reportedly the whistle-blower is a CIA officer.
CIA officers take the United States Uniformed Services Oath of Office, which requires them to defend the US Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.
If they bore witness to something that they swore to protect the Constitution against, it would be a violation of their oath of office not to report it.
It's tough to say if they would face specific charges for failing to serve that oath, but it's not something to be take lightly and failing to serve that oath could be grounds for being removed from office.
So how much jail time do they serve if they don't report it? Or do they have to pay a fine? The question was whether they had a legal obligation to report it. You haven't cited a relevant law.
– grovkin
6 hours ago
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– CrackpotCrocodile
6 hours ago
yes, if you have them. Otherwise, do go ahead an erase this as a non-answer, please.
– grovkin
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@grovkin I'm sorry, but asking someone to delete their answer for reasons they refuse to delete their own answer is just trolling.
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Reportedly the whistle-blower is a CIA officer.
CIA officers take the United States Uniformed Services Oath of Office, which requires them to defend the US Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.
If they bore witness to something that they swore to protect the Constitution against, it would be a violation of their oath of office not to report it.
It's tough to say if they would face specific charges for failing to serve that oath, but it's not something to be take lightly and failing to serve that oath could be grounds for being removed from office.
So how much jail time do they serve if they don't report it? Or do they have to pay a fine? The question was whether they had a legal obligation to report it. You haven't cited a relevant law.
– grovkin
6 hours ago
2
@grovkin You want citations now?
– CrackpotCrocodile
6 hours ago
yes, if you have them. Otherwise, do go ahead an erase this as a non-answer, please.
– grovkin
6 hours ago
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@grovkin I have more citations that your posts over here. Maybe you should take your own advice and delete it...
– CrackpotCrocodile
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@grovkin I'm sorry, but asking someone to delete their answer for reasons they refuse to delete their own answer is just trolling.
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Reportedly the whistle-blower is a CIA officer.
CIA officers take the United States Uniformed Services Oath of Office, which requires them to defend the US Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.
If they bore witness to something that they swore to protect the Constitution against, it would be a violation of their oath of office not to report it.
It's tough to say if they would face specific charges for failing to serve that oath, but it's not something to be take lightly and failing to serve that oath could be grounds for being removed from office.
Reportedly the whistle-blower is a CIA officer.
CIA officers take the United States Uniformed Services Oath of Office, which requires them to defend the US Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.
If they bore witness to something that they swore to protect the Constitution against, it would be a violation of their oath of office not to report it.
It's tough to say if they would face specific charges for failing to serve that oath, but it's not something to be take lightly and failing to serve that oath could be grounds for being removed from office.
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So how much jail time do they serve if they don't report it? Or do they have to pay a fine? The question was whether they had a legal obligation to report it. You haven't cited a relevant law.
– grovkin
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– CrackpotCrocodile
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yes, if you have them. Otherwise, do go ahead an erase this as a non-answer, please.
– grovkin
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@grovkin I have more citations that your posts over here. Maybe you should take your own advice and delete it...
– CrackpotCrocodile
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@grovkin I'm sorry, but asking someone to delete their answer for reasons they refuse to delete their own answer is just trolling.
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So how much jail time do they serve if they don't report it? Or do they have to pay a fine? The question was whether they had a legal obligation to report it. You haven't cited a relevant law.
– grovkin
6 hours ago
2
@grovkin You want citations now?
– CrackpotCrocodile
6 hours ago
yes, if you have them. Otherwise, do go ahead an erase this as a non-answer, please.
– grovkin
6 hours ago
1
@grovkin I have more citations that your posts over here. Maybe you should take your own advice and delete it...
– CrackpotCrocodile
6 hours ago
2
@grovkin I'm sorry, but asking someone to delete their answer for reasons they refuse to delete their own answer is just trolling.
– CrackpotCrocodile
6 hours ago
So how much jail time do they serve if they don't report it? Or do they have to pay a fine? The question was whether they had a legal obligation to report it. You haven't cited a relevant law.
– grovkin
6 hours ago
So how much jail time do they serve if they don't report it? Or do they have to pay a fine? The question was whether they had a legal obligation to report it. You haven't cited a relevant law.
– grovkin
6 hours ago
2
2
@grovkin You want citations now?
– CrackpotCrocodile
6 hours ago
@grovkin You want citations now?
– CrackpotCrocodile
6 hours ago
yes, if you have them. Otherwise, do go ahead an erase this as a non-answer, please.
– grovkin
6 hours ago
yes, if you have them. Otherwise, do go ahead an erase this as a non-answer, please.
– grovkin
6 hours ago
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@grovkin I have more citations that your posts over here. Maybe you should take your own advice and delete it...
– CrackpotCrocodile
6 hours ago
@grovkin I have more citations that your posts over here. Maybe you should take your own advice and delete it...
– CrackpotCrocodile
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@grovkin I'm sorry, but asking someone to delete their answer for reasons they refuse to delete their own answer is just trolling.
– CrackpotCrocodile
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Okay, there are too many questions here, and the answers for each are quite different from one another. Could you clean this up into a single focused question? Also, the topic title is not very helpful at all.
– klojj
8 hours ago
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Welcome to Politics SE! I saw two questions in your original post. The first question, about whether he's required by law to turn this evidence over, is fair game on this site. However, I removed the bit where you appeared to be asking about what his internal motivations could be, which is off-topic on this site.
– Joe C
7 hours ago
Thanks for your help!
– Burt
7 hours ago
I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it's clearly a question about law rather than the process of governing. It belongs on law.SE much more than it does on politics.SE.
– grovkin
6 hours ago