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I once heard/read a parable about two babies in their mother's womb. It goes something like this.




Two twins in the womb are speaking of the world to come, one believes it exists, the
other not. Suddenly a hole appears with light, one of the babies is
sucked outside, the other hears agitation, shouting, cries and thinks "I was right, it is
over".



For the baby that came out, a new world opens up. Whatever
"worked" in the womb is suddenly completely different: he breathes
differently, eats differently, moves differently but of course the "new world" is much
more interesting.




This is of course a parable for the world to come, which will be much more interesting while being completely different.



Does anyone know the source of this parable? I thought it was from the Rambam or Ramban but never found it. Someone told me the Gesher HaChaim (vol. 2, p. 171) mentions it without source. Someone else suggested it might be from the Ramchal.










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  • There's also a song from the band Journeys about this (I would guess Conversation In The Womb from Volume 1).

    – Salmononius2
    9 hours ago











  • Dr Wayne Dyer in his book "your sacred self" also has a similar parable. You can read it here ,click on "look inside" and you will see the parable amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0015KGWZQ?ref=aw_sitb_digital-text

    – sam
    9 hours ago













  • What makes you think the Gesher HaChaim didn't come up with it himself?

    – robev
    7 hours ago











  • @robev it is possible. I just think I saw it elsewhere in the name of a rishon. And someone I respect highly told me it was the Ramchal. I thought it was worth investigating and the talmidei chachamin from MY are often good at this

    – mbloch
    7 hours ago











  • It is a surprising parable. When we speak about tweens and future world. Immediately Yaaqov and esav come in mind

    – kouty
    4 hours ago
















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I once heard/read a parable about two babies in their mother's womb. It goes something like this.




Two twins in the womb are speaking of the world to come, one believes it exists, the
other not. Suddenly a hole appears with light, one of the babies is
sucked outside, the other hears agitation, shouting, cries and thinks "I was right, it is
over".



For the baby that came out, a new world opens up. Whatever
"worked" in the womb is suddenly completely different: he breathes
differently, eats differently, moves differently but of course the "new world" is much
more interesting.




This is of course a parable for the world to come, which will be much more interesting while being completely different.



Does anyone know the source of this parable? I thought it was from the Rambam or Ramban but never found it. Someone told me the Gesher HaChaim (vol. 2, p. 171) mentions it without source. Someone else suggested it might be from the Ramchal.










share|improve this question























  • There's also a song from the band Journeys about this (I would guess Conversation In The Womb from Volume 1).

    – Salmononius2
    9 hours ago











  • Dr Wayne Dyer in his book "your sacred self" also has a similar parable. You can read it here ,click on "look inside" and you will see the parable amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0015KGWZQ?ref=aw_sitb_digital-text

    – sam
    9 hours ago













  • What makes you think the Gesher HaChaim didn't come up with it himself?

    – robev
    7 hours ago











  • @robev it is possible. I just think I saw it elsewhere in the name of a rishon. And someone I respect highly told me it was the Ramchal. I thought it was worth investigating and the talmidei chachamin from MY are often good at this

    – mbloch
    7 hours ago











  • It is a surprising parable. When we speak about tweens and future world. Immediately Yaaqov and esav come in mind

    – kouty
    4 hours ago














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I once heard/read a parable about two babies in their mother's womb. It goes something like this.




Two twins in the womb are speaking of the world to come, one believes it exists, the
other not. Suddenly a hole appears with light, one of the babies is
sucked outside, the other hears agitation, shouting, cries and thinks "I was right, it is
over".



For the baby that came out, a new world opens up. Whatever
"worked" in the womb is suddenly completely different: he breathes
differently, eats differently, moves differently but of course the "new world" is much
more interesting.




This is of course a parable for the world to come, which will be much more interesting while being completely different.



Does anyone know the source of this parable? I thought it was from the Rambam or Ramban but never found it. Someone told me the Gesher HaChaim (vol. 2, p. 171) mentions it without source. Someone else suggested it might be from the Ramchal.










share|improve this question














I once heard/read a parable about two babies in their mother's womb. It goes something like this.




Two twins in the womb are speaking of the world to come, one believes it exists, the
other not. Suddenly a hole appears with light, one of the babies is
sucked outside, the other hears agitation, shouting, cries and thinks "I was right, it is
over".



For the baby that came out, a new world opens up. Whatever
"worked" in the womb is suddenly completely different: he breathes
differently, eats differently, moves differently but of course the "new world" is much
more interesting.




This is of course a parable for the world to come, which will be much more interesting while being completely different.



Does anyone know the source of this parable? I thought it was from the Rambam or Ramban but never found it. Someone told me the Gesher HaChaim (vol. 2, p. 171) mentions it without source. Someone else suggested it might be from the Ramchal.







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  • There's also a song from the band Journeys about this (I would guess Conversation In The Womb from Volume 1).

    – Salmononius2
    9 hours ago











  • Dr Wayne Dyer in his book "your sacred self" also has a similar parable. You can read it here ,click on "look inside" and you will see the parable amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0015KGWZQ?ref=aw_sitb_digital-text

    – sam
    9 hours ago













  • What makes you think the Gesher HaChaim didn't come up with it himself?

    – robev
    7 hours ago











  • @robev it is possible. I just think I saw it elsewhere in the name of a rishon. And someone I respect highly told me it was the Ramchal. I thought it was worth investigating and the talmidei chachamin from MY are often good at this

    – mbloch
    7 hours ago











  • It is a surprising parable. When we speak about tweens and future world. Immediately Yaaqov and esav come in mind

    – kouty
    4 hours ago



















  • There's also a song from the band Journeys about this (I would guess Conversation In The Womb from Volume 1).

    – Salmononius2
    9 hours ago











  • Dr Wayne Dyer in his book "your sacred self" also has a similar parable. You can read it here ,click on "look inside" and you will see the parable amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0015KGWZQ?ref=aw_sitb_digital-text

    – sam
    9 hours ago













  • What makes you think the Gesher HaChaim didn't come up with it himself?

    – robev
    7 hours ago











  • @robev it is possible. I just think I saw it elsewhere in the name of a rishon. And someone I respect highly told me it was the Ramchal. I thought it was worth investigating and the talmidei chachamin from MY are often good at this

    – mbloch
    7 hours ago











  • It is a surprising parable. When we speak about tweens and future world. Immediately Yaaqov and esav come in mind

    – kouty
    4 hours ago

















There's also a song from the band Journeys about this (I would guess Conversation In The Womb from Volume 1).

– Salmononius2
9 hours ago





There's also a song from the band Journeys about this (I would guess Conversation In The Womb from Volume 1).

– Salmononius2
9 hours ago













Dr Wayne Dyer in his book "your sacred self" also has a similar parable. You can read it here ,click on "look inside" and you will see the parable amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0015KGWZQ?ref=aw_sitb_digital-text

– sam
9 hours ago







Dr Wayne Dyer in his book "your sacred self" also has a similar parable. You can read it here ,click on "look inside" and you will see the parable amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0015KGWZQ?ref=aw_sitb_digital-text

– sam
9 hours ago















What makes you think the Gesher HaChaim didn't come up with it himself?

– robev
7 hours ago





What makes you think the Gesher HaChaim didn't come up with it himself?

– robev
7 hours ago













@robev it is possible. I just think I saw it elsewhere in the name of a rishon. And someone I respect highly told me it was the Ramchal. I thought it was worth investigating and the talmidei chachamin from MY are often good at this

– mbloch
7 hours ago





@robev it is possible. I just think I saw it elsewhere in the name of a rishon. And someone I respect highly told me it was the Ramchal. I thought it was worth investigating and the talmidei chachamin from MY are often good at this

– mbloch
7 hours ago













It is a surprising parable. When we speak about tweens and future world. Immediately Yaaqov and esav come in mind

– kouty
4 hours ago





It is a surprising parable. When we speak about tweens and future world. Immediately Yaaqov and esav come in mind

– kouty
4 hours ago










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    7 hours ago


















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    7 hours ago
















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    Thanks for this. I didn't downvote but had mentioned this source in my question (see last para). I am looking for the original source if there is one

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    Thanks for this. I didn't downvote but had mentioned this source in my question (see last para). I am looking for the original source if there is one

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    7 hours ago










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Thanks for this. I didn't downvote but had mentioned this source in my question (see last para). I am looking for the original source if there is one

– mbloch
7 hours ago







Thanks for this. I didn't downvote but had mentioned this source in my question (see last para). I am looking for the original source if there is one

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