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I made a mistake and was let go from a job I held for 10 years.
How should I handle this on my resume? Do I omit my last 10 years of employment or list them when I think they will give me a bad reference?
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I made a mistake and was let go from a job I held for 10 years.
How should I handle this on my resume? Do I omit my last 10 years of employment or list them when I think they will give me a bad reference?
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Hi Cathy, I've edited your post to try and flesh it out and make the question clearer, as it was attracting close votes. Please revert my edit if you don't agree with how I've rephrased your question.
– Player One
7 hours ago
What country are you located in?
– John Eisbrener
4 hours ago
Never leave a gap of 10 years on your resume. You'll have to list something there, or 9/10 people will immediately put your resume on the discard pile.
– Mast
10 mins ago
Don't lie... You will eventually get caught, and then have to explain two terminations. Depending on the country you may be able to provide the lone narrative (and the company may only be able to verify employment dates, job descriptions, etc).
– jww
9 mins ago
1
Leaving 10 (especially the most recent) years off your resume will definitely raise questions, it also wipes any experience or skills you may also have accumulated. You must have done something right to remain there 10 years. Seems like it would be harder to convince someone you are qualified w/o that experience. Depending on your situation, your former employer may be prepared to provide confirmation of employment only (start date, end date, positions), leaving the rest as a matter between you and the ex-employer. If term'd for cause, maybe a generic 'violation of company policy' suffices?
– Ian W
7 mins ago
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I made a mistake and was let go from a job I held for 10 years.
How should I handle this on my resume? Do I omit my last 10 years of employment or list them when I think they will give me a bad reference?
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I made a mistake and was let go from a job I held for 10 years.
How should I handle this on my resume? Do I omit my last 10 years of employment or list them when I think they will give me a bad reference?
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Hi Cathy, I've edited your post to try and flesh it out and make the question clearer, as it was attracting close votes. Please revert my edit if you don't agree with how I've rephrased your question.
– Player One
7 hours ago
What country are you located in?
– John Eisbrener
4 hours ago
Never leave a gap of 10 years on your resume. You'll have to list something there, or 9/10 people will immediately put your resume on the discard pile.
– Mast
10 mins ago
Don't lie... You will eventually get caught, and then have to explain two terminations. Depending on the country you may be able to provide the lone narrative (and the company may only be able to verify employment dates, job descriptions, etc).
– jww
9 mins ago
1
Leaving 10 (especially the most recent) years off your resume will definitely raise questions, it also wipes any experience or skills you may also have accumulated. You must have done something right to remain there 10 years. Seems like it would be harder to convince someone you are qualified w/o that experience. Depending on your situation, your former employer may be prepared to provide confirmation of employment only (start date, end date, positions), leaving the rest as a matter between you and the ex-employer. If term'd for cause, maybe a generic 'violation of company policy' suffices?
– Ian W
7 mins ago
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3
Hi Cathy, I've edited your post to try and flesh it out and make the question clearer, as it was attracting close votes. Please revert my edit if you don't agree with how I've rephrased your question.
– Player One
7 hours ago
What country are you located in?
– John Eisbrener
4 hours ago
Never leave a gap of 10 years on your resume. You'll have to list something there, or 9/10 people will immediately put your resume on the discard pile.
– Mast
10 mins ago
Don't lie... You will eventually get caught, and then have to explain two terminations. Depending on the country you may be able to provide the lone narrative (and the company may only be able to verify employment dates, job descriptions, etc).
– jww
9 mins ago
1
Leaving 10 (especially the most recent) years off your resume will definitely raise questions, it also wipes any experience or skills you may also have accumulated. You must have done something right to remain there 10 years. Seems like it would be harder to convince someone you are qualified w/o that experience. Depending on your situation, your former employer may be prepared to provide confirmation of employment only (start date, end date, positions), leaving the rest as a matter between you and the ex-employer. If term'd for cause, maybe a generic 'violation of company policy' suffices?
– Ian W
7 mins ago
3
3
Hi Cathy, I've edited your post to try and flesh it out and make the question clearer, as it was attracting close votes. Please revert my edit if you don't agree with how I've rephrased your question.
– Player One
7 hours ago
Hi Cathy, I've edited your post to try and flesh it out and make the question clearer, as it was attracting close votes. Please revert my edit if you don't agree with how I've rephrased your question.
– Player One
7 hours ago
What country are you located in?
– John Eisbrener
4 hours ago
What country are you located in?
– John Eisbrener
4 hours ago
Never leave a gap of 10 years on your resume. You'll have to list something there, or 9/10 people will immediately put your resume on the discard pile.
– Mast
10 mins ago
Never leave a gap of 10 years on your resume. You'll have to list something there, or 9/10 people will immediately put your resume on the discard pile.
– Mast
10 mins ago
Don't lie... You will eventually get caught, and then have to explain two terminations. Depending on the country you may be able to provide the lone narrative (and the company may only be able to verify employment dates, job descriptions, etc).
– jww
9 mins ago
Don't lie... You will eventually get caught, and then have to explain two terminations. Depending on the country you may be able to provide the lone narrative (and the company may only be able to verify employment dates, job descriptions, etc).
– jww
9 mins ago
1
1
Leaving 10 (especially the most recent) years off your resume will definitely raise questions, it also wipes any experience or skills you may also have accumulated. You must have done something right to remain there 10 years. Seems like it would be harder to convince someone you are qualified w/o that experience. Depending on your situation, your former employer may be prepared to provide confirmation of employment only (start date, end date, positions), leaving the rest as a matter between you and the ex-employer. If term'd for cause, maybe a generic 'violation of company policy' suffices?
– Ian W
7 mins ago
Leaving 10 (especially the most recent) years off your resume will definitely raise questions, it also wipes any experience or skills you may also have accumulated. You must have done something right to remain there 10 years. Seems like it would be harder to convince someone you are qualified w/o that experience. Depending on your situation, your former employer may be prepared to provide confirmation of employment only (start date, end date, positions), leaving the rest as a matter between you and the ex-employer. If term'd for cause, maybe a generic 'violation of company policy' suffices?
– Ian W
7 mins ago
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It would be better to list the job.
You'll face questions in any interview about what you've been doing for the last ten years. If you've left it off, your options will be to lie (which is bad - never lie in interviews), or tell the truth that you left the job off your resume (which is also bad - it will likely give the correct impression that you lied by omission on your resume to get into the interview room).
Additionally, if the new job requires a background check you'll need to list your old job for that (or lie again, still bad, and fatal to your application when the background check uncovers it anyway).
Depending on your area (this site has taught me that some locales expect a reference to be from "the company", but wherever I've worked it's been from individual people), it would be better to get a former manager there to supply a reference. Someone you reported to at some point in the last ten years, preferably who has left the company so has no stake in the politics of why you were dismissed.
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In the 10 years that you worked there do you not have a single person who could provide a good reference for you?
I'd mention the job on my resume and just use a current or former employee that I trust would say good things about me as a reference.
If you're asked why you're leaving or why you left you could just say something like "I'm ready for a change of pace" or something.
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It is very difficult to spin this without more information.
If you were let go for something that was your fault (and even worse it was very recent) then you're not going to want to highlight that at all.
On the other hand people can be let go for things that are not their fault.
10 years is too big a gap to leave it blank on your resume. It is one of the worst kinds of red flags you can have. You're applications will get passed over every time by someone who doesn't have a gap.
Best bet is to put the job down and hope for the best. as suggested you could put a colleague or someone you trust as a reference. You could ask your old boss to see if you can gauge what kind of reference you might get but its hard to say without knowing what the cause was or what his/her temperament is like.
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It would be better to list the job.
You'll face questions in any interview about what you've been doing for the last ten years. If you've left it off, your options will be to lie (which is bad - never lie in interviews), or tell the truth that you left the job off your resume (which is also bad - it will likely give the correct impression that you lied by omission on your resume to get into the interview room).
Additionally, if the new job requires a background check you'll need to list your old job for that (or lie again, still bad, and fatal to your application when the background check uncovers it anyway).
Depending on your area (this site has taught me that some locales expect a reference to be from "the company", but wherever I've worked it's been from individual people), it would be better to get a former manager there to supply a reference. Someone you reported to at some point in the last ten years, preferably who has left the company so has no stake in the politics of why you were dismissed.
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It would be better to list the job.
You'll face questions in any interview about what you've been doing for the last ten years. If you've left it off, your options will be to lie (which is bad - never lie in interviews), or tell the truth that you left the job off your resume (which is also bad - it will likely give the correct impression that you lied by omission on your resume to get into the interview room).
Additionally, if the new job requires a background check you'll need to list your old job for that (or lie again, still bad, and fatal to your application when the background check uncovers it anyway).
Depending on your area (this site has taught me that some locales expect a reference to be from "the company", but wherever I've worked it's been from individual people), it would be better to get a former manager there to supply a reference. Someone you reported to at some point in the last ten years, preferably who has left the company so has no stake in the politics of why you were dismissed.
answered 7 hours ago
Player OnePlayer One
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It would be better to list the job.
You'll face questions in any interview about what you've been doing for the last ten years. If you've left it off, your options will be to lie (which is bad - never lie in interviews), or tell the truth that you left the job off your resume (which is also bad - it will likely give the correct impression that you lied by omission on your resume to get into the interview room).
Additionally, if the new job requires a background check you'll need to list your old job for that (or lie again, still bad, and fatal to your application when the background check uncovers it anyway).
Depending on your area (this site has taught me that some locales expect a reference to be from "the company", but wherever I've worked it's been from individual people), it would be better to get a former manager there to supply a reference. Someone you reported to at some point in the last ten years, preferably who has left the company so has no stake in the politics of why you were dismissed.
answered 7 hours ago
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It would be better to list the job.
You'll face questions in any interview about what you've been doing for the last ten years. If you've left it off, your options will be to lie (which is bad - never lie in interviews), or tell the truth that you left the job off your resume (which is also bad - it will likely give the correct impression that you lied by omission on your resume to get into the interview room).
Additionally, if the new job requires a background check you'll need to list your old job for that (or lie again, still bad, and fatal to your application when the background check uncovers it anyway).
Depending on your area (this site has taught me that some locales expect a reference to be from "the company", but wherever I've worked it's been from individual people), it would be better to get a former manager there to supply a reference. Someone you reported to at some point in the last ten years, preferably who has left the company so has no stake in the politics of why you were dismissed.
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In the 10 years that you worked there do you not have a single person who could provide a good reference for you?
I'd mention the job on my resume and just use a current or former employee that I trust would say good things about me as a reference.
If you're asked why you're leaving or why you left you could just say something like "I'm ready for a change of pace" or something.
answered 8 hours ago
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In the 10 years that you worked there do you not have a single person who could provide a good reference for you?
I'd mention the job on my resume and just use a current or former employee that I trust would say good things about me as a reference.
If you're asked why you're leaving or why you left you could just say something like "I'm ready for a change of pace" or something.
answered 8 hours ago
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In the 10 years that you worked there do you not have a single person who could provide a good reference for you?
I'd mention the job on my resume and just use a current or former employee that I trust would say good things about me as a reference.
If you're asked why you're leaving or why you left you could just say something like "I'm ready for a change of pace" or something.
answered 8 hours ago
neubertneubert
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In the 10 years that you worked there do you not have a single person who could provide a good reference for you?
I'd mention the job on my resume and just use a current or former employee that I trust would say good things about me as a reference.
If you're asked why you're leaving or why you left you could just say something like "I'm ready for a change of pace" or something.
answered 8 hours ago
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It is very difficult to spin this without more information.
If you were let go for something that was your fault (and even worse it was very recent) then you're not going to want to highlight that at all.
On the other hand people can be let go for things that are not their fault.
10 years is too big a gap to leave it blank on your resume. It is one of the worst kinds of red flags you can have. You're applications will get passed over every time by someone who doesn't have a gap.
Best bet is to put the job down and hope for the best. as suggested you could put a colleague or someone you trust as a reference. You could ask your old boss to see if you can gauge what kind of reference you might get but its hard to say without knowing what the cause was or what his/her temperament is like.
answered 6 hours ago
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It is very difficult to spin this without more information.
If you were let go for something that was your fault (and even worse it was very recent) then you're not going to want to highlight that at all.
On the other hand people can be let go for things that are not their fault.
10 years is too big a gap to leave it blank on your resume. It is one of the worst kinds of red flags you can have. You're applications will get passed over every time by someone who doesn't have a gap.
Best bet is to put the job down and hope for the best. as suggested you could put a colleague or someone you trust as a reference. You could ask your old boss to see if you can gauge what kind of reference you might get but its hard to say without knowing what the cause was or what his/her temperament is like.
answered 6 hours ago
solarflaresolarflare
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It is very difficult to spin this without more information.
If you were let go for something that was your fault (and even worse it was very recent) then you're not going to want to highlight that at all.
On the other hand people can be let go for things that are not their fault.
10 years is too big a gap to leave it blank on your resume. It is one of the worst kinds of red flags you can have. You're applications will get passed over every time by someone who doesn't have a gap.
Best bet is to put the job down and hope for the best. as suggested you could put a colleague or someone you trust as a reference. You could ask your old boss to see if you can gauge what kind of reference you might get but its hard to say without knowing what the cause was or what his/her temperament is like.
answered 6 hours ago
solarflaresolarflare
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It is very difficult to spin this without more information.
If you were let go for something that was your fault (and even worse it was very recent) then you're not going to want to highlight that at all.
On the other hand people can be let go for things that are not their fault.
10 years is too big a gap to leave it blank on your resume. It is one of the worst kinds of red flags you can have. You're applications will get passed over every time by someone who doesn't have a gap.
Best bet is to put the job down and hope for the best. as suggested you could put a colleague or someone you trust as a reference. You could ask your old boss to see if you can gauge what kind of reference you might get but its hard to say without knowing what the cause was or what his/her temperament is like.
answered 6 hours ago
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Hi Cathy, I've edited your post to try and flesh it out and make the question clearer, as it was attracting close votes. Please revert my edit if you don't agree with how I've rephrased your question.
– Player One
7 hours ago
What country are you located in?
– John Eisbrener
4 hours ago
Never leave a gap of 10 years on your resume. You'll have to list something there, or 9/10 people will immediately put your resume on the discard pile.
– Mast
10 mins ago
Don't lie... You will eventually get caught, and then have to explain two terminations. Depending on the country you may be able to provide the lone narrative (and the company may only be able to verify employment dates, job descriptions, etc).
– jww
9 mins ago
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Leaving 10 (especially the most recent) years off your resume will definitely raise questions, it also wipes any experience or skills you may also have accumulated. You must have done something right to remain there 10 years. Seems like it would be harder to convince someone you are qualified w/o that experience. Depending on your situation, your former employer may be prepared to provide confirmation of employment only (start date, end date, positions), leaving the rest as a matter between you and the ex-employer. If term'd for cause, maybe a generic 'violation of company policy' suffices?
– Ian W
7 mins ago