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The shapechange spell states that one does not get access to the Spellcasting trait of creatures they turn into:

You transform into an average example of that creature, one without any class levels or the Spellcasting trait.

Does this restriction include monsters with Innate Spellcasting, or does one get the Innate Spellcasting trait of the creature they transform into?

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The shapechange spell states that one does not get access to the Spellcasting trait of creatures they turn into:

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The shapechange spell states that one does not get access to the Spellcasting trait of creatures they turn into:

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You get access to Innate Spellcasting when using shapechange

Although shapechange states that you do not obtain the "Spellcasting" trait, this is a specific that is separate from the "Innate Spellcasting" trait. Spellcasting and Innate Spellcasting are both separate examples of special traits, as can be seen in the basic rules for monsters.

There are even monsters that have both traits, for example, the Drow Mage (note how they even use a different spellcasting ability):

Innate Spellcasting. The drow’s innate spellcasting ability is Charisma (spell save DC 12).

Spellcasting. The drow is a 10th-level spellcaster. Its spellcasting ability is Intelligence (spell save DC 14, +6 to hit with spell attacks).

Further, Jeremy Crawford has also unofficially confirmed that these are supposed to be read as being different traits in this tweet exchange:

Staffan Johansson @DackeStaffan

@JeremyECrawford When the shapechange spell says you don't get Spellcasting, does that include Innate Spellcasting?

Jeremy Crawford @JeremyECrawford

Spellcasting and Innate Spellcasting are two different traits. #propernouns #DnD

Therefore, we can conclude that using shapechange grants access to the Innate Spellcasting trait.

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You get access to Innate Spellcasting when using shapechange

Although shapechange states that you do not obtain the "Spellcasting" trait, this is a specific that is separate from the "Innate Spellcasting" trait. Spellcasting and Innate Spellcasting are both separate examples of special traits, as can be seen in the basic rules for monsters.

There are even monsters that have both traits, for example, the Drow Mage (note how they even use a different spellcasting ability):

Innate Spellcasting. The drow’s innate spellcasting ability is Charisma (spell save DC 12).

Spellcasting. The drow is a 10th-level spellcaster. Its spellcasting ability is Intelligence (spell save DC 14, +6 to hit with spell attacks).

Further, Jeremy Crawford has also unofficially confirmed that these are supposed to be read as being different traits in this tweet exchange:

Staffan Johansson @DackeStaffan

@JeremyECrawford When the shapechange spell says you don't get Spellcasting, does that include Innate Spellcasting?

Jeremy Crawford @JeremyECrawford

Spellcasting and Innate Spellcasting are two different traits. #propernouns #DnD

Therefore, we can conclude that using shapechange grants access to the Innate Spellcasting trait.

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  Further supporting evidence is that shapechange explicitly says "the Spellcasting trait" (capitalized even) and not "any of its available spells" or anything similar.
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You get access to Innate Spellcasting when using shapechange

Although shapechange states that you do not obtain the "Spellcasting" trait, this is a specific that is separate from the "Innate Spellcasting" trait. Spellcasting and Innate Spellcasting are both separate examples of special traits, as can be seen in the basic rules for monsters.

There are even monsters that have both traits, for example, the Drow Mage (note how they even use a different spellcasting ability):

Innate Spellcasting. The drow’s innate spellcasting ability is Charisma (spell save DC 12).

Spellcasting. The drow is a 10th-level spellcaster. Its spellcasting ability is Intelligence (spell save DC 14, +6 to hit with spell attacks).

Further, Jeremy Crawford has also unofficially confirmed that these are supposed to be read as being different traits in this tweet exchange:

Staffan Johansson @DackeStaffan

@JeremyECrawford When the shapechange spell says you don't get Spellcasting, does that include Innate Spellcasting?

Jeremy Crawford @JeremyECrawford

Spellcasting and Innate Spellcasting are two different traits. #propernouns #DnD

Therefore, we can conclude that using shapechange grants access to the Innate Spellcasting trait.

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You get access to Innate Spellcasting when using shapechange

Although shapechange states that you do not obtain the "Spellcasting" trait, this is a specific that is separate from the "Innate Spellcasting" trait. Spellcasting and Innate Spellcasting are both separate examples of special traits, as can be seen in the basic rules for monsters.

There are even monsters that have both traits, for example, the Drow Mage (note how they even use a different spellcasting ability):

Innate Spellcasting. The drow’s innate spellcasting ability is Charisma (spell save DC 12).

Spellcasting. The drow is a 10th-level spellcaster. Its spellcasting ability is Intelligence (spell save DC 14, +6 to hit with spell attacks).

Further, Jeremy Crawford has also unofficially confirmed that these are supposed to be read as being different traits in this tweet exchange:

Staffan Johansson @DackeStaffan

@JeremyECrawford When the shapechange spell says you don't get Spellcasting, does that include Innate Spellcasting?

Jeremy Crawford @JeremyECrawford

Spellcasting and Innate Spellcasting are two different traits. #propernouns #DnD

Therefore, we can conclude that using shapechange grants access to the Innate Spellcasting trait.

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