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The Dreamy Fish by Erik Satie



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  • Dude -- that isn't a triangle! "Tri" = three. In any case, get thee to the online Dolmetsch chart of symbols.

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  • @CarlWitthoft - It is suggestive of a triangle.

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The image above is taken from sheet music of The Dreamy Fish by Erik Satie, I'm not completely sure what those triangles mean. Looking them up, they look closest to sforzando symbol,
enter image description here



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The Dreamy Fish by Erik Satie



The image above is taken from sheet music of The Dreamy Fish by Erik Satie, I'm not completely sure what those triangles mean. Looking them up, they look closest to sforzando symbol,
enter image description here



but that one doesn't seem to be as tall, and would the upside down one also be a sforzando symbol? Thanks in advance.










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The image above is taken from sheet music of The Dreamy Fish by Erik Satie, I'm not completely sure what those triangles mean. Looking them up, they look closest to sforzando symbol,
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but that one doesn't seem to be as tall, and would the upside down one also be a sforzando symbol? Thanks in advance.







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  • Dude -- that isn't a triangle! "Tri" = three. In any case, get thee to the online Dolmetsch chart of symbols.

    – Carl Witthoft
    10 hours ago











  • @CarlWitthoft - It is suggestive of a triangle.

    – aparente001
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  • Dude -- that isn't a triangle! "Tri" = three. In any case, get thee to the online Dolmetsch chart of symbols.

    – Carl Witthoft
    10 hours ago











  • @CarlWitthoft - It is suggestive of a triangle.

    – aparente001
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Dude -- that isn't a triangle! "Tri" = three. In any case, get thee to the online Dolmetsch chart of symbols.

– Carl Witthoft
10 hours ago





Dude -- that isn't a triangle! "Tri" = three. In any case, get thee to the online Dolmetsch chart of symbols.

– Carl Witthoft
10 hours ago













@CarlWitthoft - It is suggestive of a triangle.

– aparente001
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@CarlWitthoft - It is suggestive of a triangle.

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That's a marcato, indicating that this note/chord needs to be played much louder than the surrounding notes, even louder than with a more common sforzando accent (the wedge pointing to the right).



enter image description here

(left: marcato, right: sforzando)



The upside down version means the same; it's not unheard of that symbols are inverted when used in the bottom half of the score.






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  • Beware of other orientations which indicate an "up-bow" in string parts.

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  • It is marcato however, in organ music, in the pedal parts, it would indicate playing the pedal with your right toe. If it were a "U" you would play it with your heel. That symbol gets around.

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Different composers have different ideas about notations for accents. Also, the meaning of the accents changes over time. In Türk's Klavierschule of 1789, he writes that notes marked ^ "must be played with somewhat greater strength," while in Beethoven's time period the sforzando marking (generally sf at the time) is considered by contemporary theorists such as Czerny and Hummel to mean "sharply struck." (I don't find the use of ^ in Beethoven's music, which is not to say that it isn't there.)



If you want to dive into the subject a bit more, you can have a look at this article. If you want to take a deeper dive, have a look at this dissertation on Beethoven's use of accents, which, though long and thorough, isn't heavily technical.



At some point, you have to make up your own mind about what the composer means. If you find both of the two notations in Glorfindel's post in a piece of music, then I'd say his rule applies.



In the Satie piece you mention, I'd certainly say that the marking means to put a strong accent on the first beat. The rest of the notes should die away, too, but not starting as loud as the first one. More like from about mp to pp.






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    That's a marcato, indicating that this note/chord needs to be played much louder than the surrounding notes, even louder than with a more common sforzando accent (the wedge pointing to the right).



    enter image description here

    (left: marcato, right: sforzando)



    The upside down version means the same; it's not unheard of that symbols are inverted when used in the bottom half of the score.






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    • Thanks a lot! It was getting confusing with websites seemingly switching around the marcato and sforzando symbols, but this clarifies it.

      – Jonathan Ting
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    • Beware of other orientations which indicate an "up-bow" in string parts.

      – Carl Witthoft
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    • It is marcato however, in organ music, in the pedal parts, it would indicate playing the pedal with your right toe. If it were a "U" you would play it with your heel. That symbol gets around.

      – Malcolm Kogut
      9 hours ago
















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    That's a marcato, indicating that this note/chord needs to be played much louder than the surrounding notes, even louder than with a more common sforzando accent (the wedge pointing to the right).



    enter image description here

    (left: marcato, right: sforzando)



    The upside down version means the same; it's not unheard of that symbols are inverted when used in the bottom half of the score.






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    • Thanks a lot! It was getting confusing with websites seemingly switching around the marcato and sforzando symbols, but this clarifies it.

      – Jonathan Ting
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    • Beware of other orientations which indicate an "up-bow" in string parts.

      – Carl Witthoft
      10 hours ago











    • It is marcato however, in organ music, in the pedal parts, it would indicate playing the pedal with your right toe. If it were a "U" you would play it with your heel. That symbol gets around.

      – Malcolm Kogut
      9 hours ago














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    That's a marcato, indicating that this note/chord needs to be played much louder than the surrounding notes, even louder than with a more common sforzando accent (the wedge pointing to the right).



    enter image description here

    (left: marcato, right: sforzando)



    The upside down version means the same; it's not unheard of that symbols are inverted when used in the bottom half of the score.






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    That's a marcato, indicating that this note/chord needs to be played much louder than the surrounding notes, even louder than with a more common sforzando accent (the wedge pointing to the right).



    enter image description here

    (left: marcato, right: sforzando)



    The upside down version means the same; it's not unheard of that symbols are inverted when used in the bottom half of the score.







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    • Thanks a lot! It was getting confusing with websites seemingly switching around the marcato and sforzando symbols, but this clarifies it.

      – Jonathan Ting
      yesterday











    • Beware of other orientations which indicate an "up-bow" in string parts.

      – Carl Witthoft
      10 hours ago











    • It is marcato however, in organ music, in the pedal parts, it would indicate playing the pedal with your right toe. If it were a "U" you would play it with your heel. That symbol gets around.

      – Malcolm Kogut
      9 hours ago



















    • Thanks a lot! It was getting confusing with websites seemingly switching around the marcato and sforzando symbols, but this clarifies it.

      – Jonathan Ting
      yesterday











    • Beware of other orientations which indicate an "up-bow" in string parts.

      – Carl Witthoft
      10 hours ago











    • It is marcato however, in organ music, in the pedal parts, it would indicate playing the pedal with your right toe. If it were a "U" you would play it with your heel. That symbol gets around.

      – Malcolm Kogut
      9 hours ago

















    Thanks a lot! It was getting confusing with websites seemingly switching around the marcato and sforzando symbols, but this clarifies it.

    – Jonathan Ting
    yesterday





    Thanks a lot! It was getting confusing with websites seemingly switching around the marcato and sforzando symbols, but this clarifies it.

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    Beware of other orientations which indicate an "up-bow" in string parts.

    – Carl Witthoft
    10 hours ago





    Beware of other orientations which indicate an "up-bow" in string parts.

    – Carl Witthoft
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    It is marcato however, in organ music, in the pedal parts, it would indicate playing the pedal with your right toe. If it were a "U" you would play it with your heel. That symbol gets around.

    – Malcolm Kogut
    9 hours ago





    It is marcato however, in organ music, in the pedal parts, it would indicate playing the pedal with your right toe. If it were a "U" you would play it with your heel. That symbol gets around.

    – Malcolm Kogut
    9 hours ago













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    Different composers have different ideas about notations for accents. Also, the meaning of the accents changes over time. In Türk's Klavierschule of 1789, he writes that notes marked ^ "must be played with somewhat greater strength," while in Beethoven's time period the sforzando marking (generally sf at the time) is considered by contemporary theorists such as Czerny and Hummel to mean "sharply struck." (I don't find the use of ^ in Beethoven's music, which is not to say that it isn't there.)



    If you want to dive into the subject a bit more, you can have a look at this article. If you want to take a deeper dive, have a look at this dissertation on Beethoven's use of accents, which, though long and thorough, isn't heavily technical.



    At some point, you have to make up your own mind about what the composer means. If you find both of the two notations in Glorfindel's post in a piece of music, then I'd say his rule applies.



    In the Satie piece you mention, I'd certainly say that the marking means to put a strong accent on the first beat. The rest of the notes should die away, too, but not starting as loud as the first one. More like from about mp to pp.






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      Different composers have different ideas about notations for accents. Also, the meaning of the accents changes over time. In Türk's Klavierschule of 1789, he writes that notes marked ^ "must be played with somewhat greater strength," while in Beethoven's time period the sforzando marking (generally sf at the time) is considered by contemporary theorists such as Czerny and Hummel to mean "sharply struck." (I don't find the use of ^ in Beethoven's music, which is not to say that it isn't there.)



      If you want to dive into the subject a bit more, you can have a look at this article. If you want to take a deeper dive, have a look at this dissertation on Beethoven's use of accents, which, though long and thorough, isn't heavily technical.



      At some point, you have to make up your own mind about what the composer means. If you find both of the two notations in Glorfindel's post in a piece of music, then I'd say his rule applies.



      In the Satie piece you mention, I'd certainly say that the marking means to put a strong accent on the first beat. The rest of the notes should die away, too, but not starting as loud as the first one. More like from about mp to pp.






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        Different composers have different ideas about notations for accents. Also, the meaning of the accents changes over time. In Türk's Klavierschule of 1789, he writes that notes marked ^ "must be played with somewhat greater strength," while in Beethoven's time period the sforzando marking (generally sf at the time) is considered by contemporary theorists such as Czerny and Hummel to mean "sharply struck." (I don't find the use of ^ in Beethoven's music, which is not to say that it isn't there.)



        If you want to dive into the subject a bit more, you can have a look at this article. If you want to take a deeper dive, have a look at this dissertation on Beethoven's use of accents, which, though long and thorough, isn't heavily technical.



        At some point, you have to make up your own mind about what the composer means. If you find both of the two notations in Glorfindel's post in a piece of music, then I'd say his rule applies.



        In the Satie piece you mention, I'd certainly say that the marking means to put a strong accent on the first beat. The rest of the notes should die away, too, but not starting as loud as the first one. More like from about mp to pp.






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        Different composers have different ideas about notations for accents. Also, the meaning of the accents changes over time. In Türk's Klavierschule of 1789, he writes that notes marked ^ "must be played with somewhat greater strength," while in Beethoven's time period the sforzando marking (generally sf at the time) is considered by contemporary theorists such as Czerny and Hummel to mean "sharply struck." (I don't find the use of ^ in Beethoven's music, which is not to say that it isn't there.)



        If you want to dive into the subject a bit more, you can have a look at this article. If you want to take a deeper dive, have a look at this dissertation on Beethoven's use of accents, which, though long and thorough, isn't heavily technical.



        At some point, you have to make up your own mind about what the composer means. If you find both of the two notations in Glorfindel's post in a piece of music, then I'd say his rule applies.



        In the Satie piece you mention, I'd certainly say that the marking means to put a strong accent on the first beat. The rest of the notes should die away, too, but not starting as loud as the first one. More like from about mp to pp.







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