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Recently I approached my manager to approve my 4 days leave (Paid Time Off). He said "Let's make it 3 days and take sick leave on the 4th day". He does this every time I apply for more than 2 days leave. His justification is that since Paid Time off (PTO) can be carried forward to next calendar year, why waste it when other types of leave are available.
We also have a payout policy for PTO's, so he makes his justification look more legitimate by quoting this also. (I am not sure about payout of sick leave. I'll update once I check my policies tomorrow.).
While I don't see any disadvantage for me to apply the leaves as he suggested, it is beyond my understanding what's in it for him?
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Recently I approached my manager to approve my 4 days leave (Paid Time Off). He said "Let's make it 3 days and take sick leave on the 4th day". He does this every time I apply for more than 2 days leave. His justification is that since Paid Time off (PTO) can be carried forward to next calendar year, why waste it when other types of leave are available.
We also have a payout policy for PTO's, so he makes his justification look more legitimate by quoting this also. (I am not sure about payout of sick leave. I'll update once I check my policies tomorrow.).
While I don't see any disadvantage for me to apply the leaves as he suggested, it is beyond my understanding what's in it for him?
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@JoeStrazzere in the UK (and Europe?) it is usual to have 25-30 days paid time off in the form of holiday. In addition to this it is usual to be able to take time off sick which is also paid, this could be anywhere up to 6 months. HR departments often have some kind of hidden rule where you can take up to x days off a year before they start asking questions.
– P. Hopkinson
5 hours ago
1
Another aspect I've not seen considered in the comments and answers - HR may end up seeing these patterns of a sick day after a period of annual leave and flag the activity as suspicious.
– HorusKol
3 hours ago
1
@JoeStrazzere I'm not in Europe, but in Australia and NZ (which have similar employment laws) sick leave and annual leave are different to each other, and both can be accrued over the years if not used. I've also worked at organisations that give an unlimited amount of sick leave, with the caveat that it will be reviewed if it looks like it's being abused. I believe accrued sick leave is lost if not used by the end of employment, while (by law) unused annual leave needs to be paid out if the employee leaves.
– Player One
1 hour ago
1
@JoeStrazzere In Europe, sick leave cannot be limited and is (for the most part) not up to company policy. Instead, you have a legal right to take time off when you're sick. Then, depending on the country, you might get only a fraction of your regular pay, not be paid at all during the first few days of sick leave, have to produce a note from your GP within a certain timeframe, have to stay at home most of the time, be subject to a counter-visit from a medical doctor hired by your employer, be subject to dismissal if you become sick long-term with no prospect of returning to work, etc.
– Relaxed
46 mins ago
1
Suppose you're on vacation while taking this sick day and get in a car accident. Now you have to apply for sick days in relation to an injury sustained while you were supposedly home sick while actually being in a different state. Explaining this would not be fun.
– candied_orange
16 mins ago
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show 8 more comments
Recently I approached my manager to approve my 4 days leave (Paid Time Off). He said "Let's make it 3 days and take sick leave on the 4th day". He does this every time I apply for more than 2 days leave. His justification is that since Paid Time off (PTO) can be carried forward to next calendar year, why waste it when other types of leave are available.
We also have a payout policy for PTO's, so he makes his justification look more legitimate by quoting this also. (I am not sure about payout of sick leave. I'll update once I check my policies tomorrow.).
While I don't see any disadvantage for me to apply the leaves as he suggested, it is beyond my understanding what's in it for him?
human-resources ethics manager leave
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Recently I approached my manager to approve my 4 days leave (Paid Time Off). He said "Let's make it 3 days and take sick leave on the 4th day". He does this every time I apply for more than 2 days leave. His justification is that since Paid Time off (PTO) can be carried forward to next calendar year, why waste it when other types of leave are available.
We also have a payout policy for PTO's, so he makes his justification look more legitimate by quoting this also. (I am not sure about payout of sick leave. I'll update once I check my policies tomorrow.).
While I don't see any disadvantage for me to apply the leaves as he suggested, it is beyond my understanding what's in it for him?
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@JoeStrazzere in the UK (and Europe?) it is usual to have 25-30 days paid time off in the form of holiday. In addition to this it is usual to be able to take time off sick which is also paid, this could be anywhere up to 6 months. HR departments often have some kind of hidden rule where you can take up to x days off a year before they start asking questions.
– P. Hopkinson
5 hours ago
1
Another aspect I've not seen considered in the comments and answers - HR may end up seeing these patterns of a sick day after a period of annual leave and flag the activity as suspicious.
– HorusKol
3 hours ago
1
@JoeStrazzere I'm not in Europe, but in Australia and NZ (which have similar employment laws) sick leave and annual leave are different to each other, and both can be accrued over the years if not used. I've also worked at organisations that give an unlimited amount of sick leave, with the caveat that it will be reviewed if it looks like it's being abused. I believe accrued sick leave is lost if not used by the end of employment, while (by law) unused annual leave needs to be paid out if the employee leaves.
– Player One
1 hour ago
1
@JoeStrazzere In Europe, sick leave cannot be limited and is (for the most part) not up to company policy. Instead, you have a legal right to take time off when you're sick. Then, depending on the country, you might get only a fraction of your regular pay, not be paid at all during the first few days of sick leave, have to produce a note from your GP within a certain timeframe, have to stay at home most of the time, be subject to a counter-visit from a medical doctor hired by your employer, be subject to dismissal if you become sick long-term with no prospect of returning to work, etc.
– Relaxed
46 mins ago
1
Suppose you're on vacation while taking this sick day and get in a car accident. Now you have to apply for sick days in relation to an injury sustained while you were supposedly home sick while actually being in a different state. Explaining this would not be fun.
– candied_orange
16 mins ago
|
show 8 more comments
3
@JoeStrazzere in the UK (and Europe?) it is usual to have 25-30 days paid time off in the form of holiday. In addition to this it is usual to be able to take time off sick which is also paid, this could be anywhere up to 6 months. HR departments often have some kind of hidden rule where you can take up to x days off a year before they start asking questions.
– P. Hopkinson
5 hours ago
1
Another aspect I've not seen considered in the comments and answers - HR may end up seeing these patterns of a sick day after a period of annual leave and flag the activity as suspicious.
– HorusKol
3 hours ago
1
@JoeStrazzere I'm not in Europe, but in Australia and NZ (which have similar employment laws) sick leave and annual leave are different to each other, and both can be accrued over the years if not used. I've also worked at organisations that give an unlimited amount of sick leave, with the caveat that it will be reviewed if it looks like it's being abused. I believe accrued sick leave is lost if not used by the end of employment, while (by law) unused annual leave needs to be paid out if the employee leaves.
– Player One
1 hour ago
1
@JoeStrazzere In Europe, sick leave cannot be limited and is (for the most part) not up to company policy. Instead, you have a legal right to take time off when you're sick. Then, depending on the country, you might get only a fraction of your regular pay, not be paid at all during the first few days of sick leave, have to produce a note from your GP within a certain timeframe, have to stay at home most of the time, be subject to a counter-visit from a medical doctor hired by your employer, be subject to dismissal if you become sick long-term with no prospect of returning to work, etc.
– Relaxed
46 mins ago
1
Suppose you're on vacation while taking this sick day and get in a car accident. Now you have to apply for sick days in relation to an injury sustained while you were supposedly home sick while actually being in a different state. Explaining this would not be fun.
– candied_orange
16 mins ago
3
3
@JoeStrazzere in the UK (and Europe?) it is usual to have 25-30 days paid time off in the form of holiday. In addition to this it is usual to be able to take time off sick which is also paid, this could be anywhere up to 6 months. HR departments often have some kind of hidden rule where you can take up to x days off a year before they start asking questions.
– P. Hopkinson
5 hours ago
@JoeStrazzere in the UK (and Europe?) it is usual to have 25-30 days paid time off in the form of holiday. In addition to this it is usual to be able to take time off sick which is also paid, this could be anywhere up to 6 months. HR departments often have some kind of hidden rule where you can take up to x days off a year before they start asking questions.
– P. Hopkinson
5 hours ago
1
1
Another aspect I've not seen considered in the comments and answers - HR may end up seeing these patterns of a sick day after a period of annual leave and flag the activity as suspicious.
– HorusKol
3 hours ago
Another aspect I've not seen considered in the comments and answers - HR may end up seeing these patterns of a sick day after a period of annual leave and flag the activity as suspicious.
– HorusKol
3 hours ago
1
1
@JoeStrazzere I'm not in Europe, but in Australia and NZ (which have similar employment laws) sick leave and annual leave are different to each other, and both can be accrued over the years if not used. I've also worked at organisations that give an unlimited amount of sick leave, with the caveat that it will be reviewed if it looks like it's being abused. I believe accrued sick leave is lost if not used by the end of employment, while (by law) unused annual leave needs to be paid out if the employee leaves.
– Player One
1 hour ago
@JoeStrazzere I'm not in Europe, but in Australia and NZ (which have similar employment laws) sick leave and annual leave are different to each other, and both can be accrued over the years if not used. I've also worked at organisations that give an unlimited amount of sick leave, with the caveat that it will be reviewed if it looks like it's being abused. I believe accrued sick leave is lost if not used by the end of employment, while (by law) unused annual leave needs to be paid out if the employee leaves.
– Player One
1 hour ago
1
1
@JoeStrazzere In Europe, sick leave cannot be limited and is (for the most part) not up to company policy. Instead, you have a legal right to take time off when you're sick. Then, depending on the country, you might get only a fraction of your regular pay, not be paid at all during the first few days of sick leave, have to produce a note from your GP within a certain timeframe, have to stay at home most of the time, be subject to a counter-visit from a medical doctor hired by your employer, be subject to dismissal if you become sick long-term with no prospect of returning to work, etc.
– Relaxed
46 mins ago
@JoeStrazzere In Europe, sick leave cannot be limited and is (for the most part) not up to company policy. Instead, you have a legal right to take time off when you're sick. Then, depending on the country, you might get only a fraction of your regular pay, not be paid at all during the first few days of sick leave, have to produce a note from your GP within a certain timeframe, have to stay at home most of the time, be subject to a counter-visit from a medical doctor hired by your employer, be subject to dismissal if you become sick long-term with no prospect of returning to work, etc.
– Relaxed
46 mins ago
1
1
Suppose you're on vacation while taking this sick day and get in a car accident. Now you have to apply for sick days in relation to an injury sustained while you were supposedly home sick while actually being in a different state. Explaining this would not be fun.
– candied_orange
16 mins ago
Suppose you're on vacation while taking this sick day and get in a car accident. Now you have to apply for sick days in relation to an injury sustained while you were supposedly home sick while actually being in a different state. Explaining this would not be fun.
– candied_orange
16 mins ago
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This is a type of moral hazard which happens in hierarchical environments where there is little accountability of the greater good and huge accountability from your imminent relations. What it could be about:
- As pointed by many: boss looking after his workers. He cares about the loyalty of his workers. Loyalty allows him to squeeze extra hours, possibly non-compensated, of his workers when needed even if the work policy does not allow demanding this or there is concerning regulation prohibiting this. Not necessarily bad for the greater good but indeed it is bending the rules and abusing human psychology of paying favours back.
- It can be that the managers are rewarded by surveys. So he needs you to like him because people are not objective and value shady tips/approval for abusing the system. He is trying to be your guy. to get the good ratings.
- Some kind of workday accounting may make it seem like he is achieving more with less which could affect his bonuses.
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Moral hazard? How so?
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While I don't see any disadvantage for me to apply the leaves as suggested by him
You are taking sick days when you are not actually sick. Maybe this is OK with and encouraged by your manager but what are the consequences of HR finding out? You need to read your employee handbook and find out if sick days at your company can only be used if you are actually sick or if they are more like personal days where it is any sudden unexpected excused absence. Your boss may be trying to help you out but this could backfire so I would make sure to fully understand your company's policies on PTO.
answered 7 hours ago
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Even if it's "any sudden unexpected absence", OP would still be violating that policy, since this absence is known in advance. And a pattern of taking sick days next to rec leave is going to look very suspicious if HR decide to check up.
– Geoffrey Brent
2 hours ago
This might be dependent on location, as well, depending on whether or not “mental health days” are legally recognised as a valid use for sick days.
– nick012000
14 mins ago
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While I don't see any disadvantage for me to apply the leaves as suggested by him, it is beyond my understanding whats in it for him?
There should be nothing for him personally here. He seems to be trying to build goodwill with the employee (you) by getting more monetary benefits available to you (by having PTO's cashed / carried over) by working the system.
However, if you work in a company with strict policies, such an action coming to notice of HR could lead to him getting a warning for such behavior. (As he sets the wrong example). Today he is bending one rule for subordinates, what if they start breaking other rules themselves by subjectively deciding what can be acceptable?
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It is not completely unusual for employees to view sick days as a commodity that are there to be "used up". This is an incorrect view of the world but just about common enough that it is likely your boss genuinely believes that you deserve the sick days as holiday.
However...
It would be very unusual for this to be an actual company policy and as such you may be taking a significant risk by "spending" your sick days in such a manner. Amongst other things you are running the risk of actually getting sick and then not having any days left in your budget.
What is in it for your boss?
One possibility is that your boss wants you to break the rules because it will make it easier for him to break the rules also. This could be a benign or, if you are unlucky, it could be sinister.
answered 6 hours ago
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Sounds like your manager is trying to cut you a break my old shop had sick days that you could roll over because we were union but some places dont so it sounds like hes trying to help you stretch your time and so long as HR dont complain it looks like he's just being nice so I wouldn't worry too much because sometimes you get someone who aint just in it for themselves
answered 5 hours ago
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I had this 'workday accounting' thing in my mind also. He may claim that he allowed less PTOs for his subordinates in a year. I strongly feel that he gets some sort of benefit out of it. Since no one has control over sick leaves whereas he may claim that he convinced his subordinates to reduce their PTO duration. That manager is cunning which makes me doubt on many actions he takes. Hence I asked this question.
– chrono_tachy
5 hours ago
@chrono_tachy My cousin is cunning but he uses it to help people. Luis can arrange anything to work for him but he likes to help people. What makes you think your manager is out for himself?
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This is a type of moral hazard which happens in hierarchical environments where there is little accountability of the greater good and huge accountability from your imminent relations. What it could be about:
- As pointed by many: boss looking after his workers. He cares about the loyalty of his workers. Loyalty allows him to squeeze extra hours, possibly non-compensated, of his workers when needed even if the work policy does not allow demanding this or there is concerning regulation prohibiting this. Not necessarily bad for the greater good but indeed it is bending the rules and abusing human psychology of paying favours back.
- It can be that the managers are rewarded by surveys. So he needs you to like him because people are not objective and value shady tips/approval for abusing the system. He is trying to be your guy. to get the good ratings.
- Some kind of workday accounting may make it seem like he is achieving more with less which could affect his bonuses.
answered 5 hours ago
user3644640user3644640
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Moral hazard? How so?
– Joe Strazzere
2 hours ago
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This is a type of moral hazard which happens in hierarchical environments where there is little accountability of the greater good and huge accountability from your imminent relations. What it could be about:
- As pointed by many: boss looking after his workers. He cares about the loyalty of his workers. Loyalty allows him to squeeze extra hours, possibly non-compensated, of his workers when needed even if the work policy does not allow demanding this or there is concerning regulation prohibiting this. Not necessarily bad for the greater good but indeed it is bending the rules and abusing human psychology of paying favours back.
- It can be that the managers are rewarded by surveys. So he needs you to like him because people are not objective and value shady tips/approval for abusing the system. He is trying to be your guy. to get the good ratings.
- Some kind of workday accounting may make it seem like he is achieving more with less which could affect his bonuses.
answered 5 hours ago
user3644640user3644640
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Moral hazard? How so?
– Joe Strazzere
2 hours ago
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This is a type of moral hazard which happens in hierarchical environments where there is little accountability of the greater good and huge accountability from your imminent relations. What it could be about:
- As pointed by many: boss looking after his workers. He cares about the loyalty of his workers. Loyalty allows him to squeeze extra hours, possibly non-compensated, of his workers when needed even if the work policy does not allow demanding this or there is concerning regulation prohibiting this. Not necessarily bad for the greater good but indeed it is bending the rules and abusing human psychology of paying favours back.
- It can be that the managers are rewarded by surveys. So he needs you to like him because people are not objective and value shady tips/approval for abusing the system. He is trying to be your guy. to get the good ratings.
- Some kind of workday accounting may make it seem like he is achieving more with less which could affect his bonuses.
answered 5 hours ago
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This is a type of moral hazard which happens in hierarchical environments where there is little accountability of the greater good and huge accountability from your imminent relations. What it could be about:
- As pointed by many: boss looking after his workers. He cares about the loyalty of his workers. Loyalty allows him to squeeze extra hours, possibly non-compensated, of his workers when needed even if the work policy does not allow demanding this or there is concerning regulation prohibiting this. Not necessarily bad for the greater good but indeed it is bending the rules and abusing human psychology of paying favours back.
- It can be that the managers are rewarded by surveys. So he needs you to like him because people are not objective and value shady tips/approval for abusing the system. He is trying to be your guy. to get the good ratings.
- Some kind of workday accounting may make it seem like he is achieving more with less which could affect his bonuses.
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Moral hazard? How so?
– Joe Strazzere
2 hours ago
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Moral hazard? How so?
– Joe Strazzere
2 hours ago
Moral hazard? How so?
– Joe Strazzere
2 hours ago
Moral hazard? How so?
– Joe Strazzere
2 hours ago
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While I don't see any disadvantage for me to apply the leaves as suggested by him
You are taking sick days when you are not actually sick. Maybe this is OK with and encouraged by your manager but what are the consequences of HR finding out? You need to read your employee handbook and find out if sick days at your company can only be used if you are actually sick or if they are more like personal days where it is any sudden unexpected excused absence. Your boss may be trying to help you out but this could backfire so I would make sure to fully understand your company's policies on PTO.
answered 7 hours ago
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Even if it's "any sudden unexpected absence", OP would still be violating that policy, since this absence is known in advance. And a pattern of taking sick days next to rec leave is going to look very suspicious if HR decide to check up.
– Geoffrey Brent
2 hours ago
This might be dependent on location, as well, depending on whether or not “mental health days” are legally recognised as a valid use for sick days.
– nick012000
14 mins ago
add a comment
|
While I don't see any disadvantage for me to apply the leaves as suggested by him
You are taking sick days when you are not actually sick. Maybe this is OK with and encouraged by your manager but what are the consequences of HR finding out? You need to read your employee handbook and find out if sick days at your company can only be used if you are actually sick or if they are more like personal days where it is any sudden unexpected excused absence. Your boss may be trying to help you out but this could backfire so I would make sure to fully understand your company's policies on PTO.
answered 7 hours ago
sf02sf02
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Even if it's "any sudden unexpected absence", OP would still be violating that policy, since this absence is known in advance. And a pattern of taking sick days next to rec leave is going to look very suspicious if HR decide to check up.
– Geoffrey Brent
2 hours ago
This might be dependent on location, as well, depending on whether or not “mental health days” are legally recognised as a valid use for sick days.
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While I don't see any disadvantage for me to apply the leaves as suggested by him
You are taking sick days when you are not actually sick. Maybe this is OK with and encouraged by your manager but what are the consequences of HR finding out? You need to read your employee handbook and find out if sick days at your company can only be used if you are actually sick or if they are more like personal days where it is any sudden unexpected excused absence. Your boss may be trying to help you out but this could backfire so I would make sure to fully understand your company's policies on PTO.
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While I don't see any disadvantage for me to apply the leaves as suggested by him
You are taking sick days when you are not actually sick. Maybe this is OK with and encouraged by your manager but what are the consequences of HR finding out? You need to read your employee handbook and find out if sick days at your company can only be used if you are actually sick or if they are more like personal days where it is any sudden unexpected excused absence. Your boss may be trying to help you out but this could backfire so I would make sure to fully understand your company's policies on PTO.
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Even if it's "any sudden unexpected absence", OP would still be violating that policy, since this absence is known in advance. And a pattern of taking sick days next to rec leave is going to look very suspicious if HR decide to check up.
– Geoffrey Brent
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This might be dependent on location, as well, depending on whether or not “mental health days” are legally recognised as a valid use for sick days.
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Even if it's "any sudden unexpected absence", OP would still be violating that policy, since this absence is known in advance. And a pattern of taking sick days next to rec leave is going to look very suspicious if HR decide to check up.
– Geoffrey Brent
2 hours ago
This might be dependent on location, as well, depending on whether or not “mental health days” are legally recognised as a valid use for sick days.
– nick012000
14 mins ago
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Even if it's "any sudden unexpected absence", OP would still be violating that policy, since this absence is known in advance. And a pattern of taking sick days next to rec leave is going to look very suspicious if HR decide to check up.
– Geoffrey Brent
2 hours ago
Even if it's "any sudden unexpected absence", OP would still be violating that policy, since this absence is known in advance. And a pattern of taking sick days next to rec leave is going to look very suspicious if HR decide to check up.
– Geoffrey Brent
2 hours ago
This might be dependent on location, as well, depending on whether or not “mental health days” are legally recognised as a valid use for sick days.
– nick012000
14 mins ago
This might be dependent on location, as well, depending on whether or not “mental health days” are legally recognised as a valid use for sick days.
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While I don't see any disadvantage for me to apply the leaves as suggested by him, it is beyond my understanding whats in it for him?
There should be nothing for him personally here. He seems to be trying to build goodwill with the employee (you) by getting more monetary benefits available to you (by having PTO's cashed / carried over) by working the system.
However, if you work in a company with strict policies, such an action coming to notice of HR could lead to him getting a warning for such behavior. (As he sets the wrong example). Today he is bending one rule for subordinates, what if they start breaking other rules themselves by subjectively deciding what can be acceptable?
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While I don't see any disadvantage for me to apply the leaves as suggested by him, it is beyond my understanding whats in it for him?
There should be nothing for him personally here. He seems to be trying to build goodwill with the employee (you) by getting more monetary benefits available to you (by having PTO's cashed / carried over) by working the system.
However, if you work in a company with strict policies, such an action coming to notice of HR could lead to him getting a warning for such behavior. (As he sets the wrong example). Today he is bending one rule for subordinates, what if they start breaking other rules themselves by subjectively deciding what can be acceptable?
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While I don't see any disadvantage for me to apply the leaves as suggested by him, it is beyond my understanding whats in it for him?
There should be nothing for him personally here. He seems to be trying to build goodwill with the employee (you) by getting more monetary benefits available to you (by having PTO's cashed / carried over) by working the system.
However, if you work in a company with strict policies, such an action coming to notice of HR could lead to him getting a warning for such behavior. (As he sets the wrong example). Today he is bending one rule for subordinates, what if they start breaking other rules themselves by subjectively deciding what can be acceptable?
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While I don't see any disadvantage for me to apply the leaves as suggested by him, it is beyond my understanding whats in it for him?
There should be nothing for him personally here. He seems to be trying to build goodwill with the employee (you) by getting more monetary benefits available to you (by having PTO's cashed / carried over) by working the system.
However, if you work in a company with strict policies, such an action coming to notice of HR could lead to him getting a warning for such behavior. (As he sets the wrong example). Today he is bending one rule for subordinates, what if they start breaking other rules themselves by subjectively deciding what can be acceptable?
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It is not completely unusual for employees to view sick days as a commodity that are there to be "used up". This is an incorrect view of the world but just about common enough that it is likely your boss genuinely believes that you deserve the sick days as holiday.
However...
It would be very unusual for this to be an actual company policy and as such you may be taking a significant risk by "spending" your sick days in such a manner. Amongst other things you are running the risk of actually getting sick and then not having any days left in your budget.
What is in it for your boss?
One possibility is that your boss wants you to break the rules because it will make it easier for him to break the rules also. This could be a benign or, if you are unlucky, it could be sinister.
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It is not completely unusual for employees to view sick days as a commodity that are there to be "used up". This is an incorrect view of the world but just about common enough that it is likely your boss genuinely believes that you deserve the sick days as holiday.
However...
It would be very unusual for this to be an actual company policy and as such you may be taking a significant risk by "spending" your sick days in such a manner. Amongst other things you are running the risk of actually getting sick and then not having any days left in your budget.
What is in it for your boss?
One possibility is that your boss wants you to break the rules because it will make it easier for him to break the rules also. This could be a benign or, if you are unlucky, it could be sinister.
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It is not completely unusual for employees to view sick days as a commodity that are there to be "used up". This is an incorrect view of the world but just about common enough that it is likely your boss genuinely believes that you deserve the sick days as holiday.
However...
It would be very unusual for this to be an actual company policy and as such you may be taking a significant risk by "spending" your sick days in such a manner. Amongst other things you are running the risk of actually getting sick and then not having any days left in your budget.
What is in it for your boss?
One possibility is that your boss wants you to break the rules because it will make it easier for him to break the rules also. This could be a benign or, if you are unlucky, it could be sinister.
answered 6 hours ago
P. HopkinsonP. Hopkinson
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It is not completely unusual for employees to view sick days as a commodity that are there to be "used up". This is an incorrect view of the world but just about common enough that it is likely your boss genuinely believes that you deserve the sick days as holiday.
However...
It would be very unusual for this to be an actual company policy and as such you may be taking a significant risk by "spending" your sick days in such a manner. Amongst other things you are running the risk of actually getting sick and then not having any days left in your budget.
What is in it for your boss?
One possibility is that your boss wants you to break the rules because it will make it easier for him to break the rules also. This could be a benign or, if you are unlucky, it could be sinister.
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Sounds like your manager is trying to cut you a break my old shop had sick days that you could roll over because we were union but some places dont so it sounds like hes trying to help you stretch your time and so long as HR dont complain it looks like he's just being nice so I wouldn't worry too much because sometimes you get someone who aint just in it for themselves
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I had this 'workday accounting' thing in my mind also. He may claim that he allowed less PTOs for his subordinates in a year. I strongly feel that he gets some sort of benefit out of it. Since no one has control over sick leaves whereas he may claim that he convinced his subordinates to reduce their PTO duration. That manager is cunning which makes me doubt on many actions he takes. Hence I asked this question.
– chrono_tachy
5 hours ago
@chrono_tachy My cousin is cunning but he uses it to help people. Luis can arrange anything to work for him but he likes to help people. What makes you think your manager is out for himself?
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Sounds like your manager is trying to cut you a break my old shop had sick days that you could roll over because we were union but some places dont so it sounds like hes trying to help you stretch your time and so long as HR dont complain it looks like he's just being nice so I wouldn't worry too much because sometimes you get someone who aint just in it for themselves
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I had this 'workday accounting' thing in my mind also. He may claim that he allowed less PTOs for his subordinates in a year. I strongly feel that he gets some sort of benefit out of it. Since no one has control over sick leaves whereas he may claim that he convinced his subordinates to reduce their PTO duration. That manager is cunning which makes me doubt on many actions he takes. Hence I asked this question.
– chrono_tachy
5 hours ago
@chrono_tachy My cousin is cunning but he uses it to help people. Luis can arrange anything to work for him but he likes to help people. What makes you think your manager is out for himself?
– Tina_Sea
4 hours ago
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Sounds like your manager is trying to cut you a break my old shop had sick days that you could roll over because we were union but some places dont so it sounds like hes trying to help you stretch your time and so long as HR dont complain it looks like he's just being nice so I wouldn't worry too much because sometimes you get someone who aint just in it for themselves
answered 5 hours ago
Tina_SeaTina_Sea
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Sounds like your manager is trying to cut you a break my old shop had sick days that you could roll over because we were union but some places dont so it sounds like hes trying to help you stretch your time and so long as HR dont complain it looks like he's just being nice so I wouldn't worry too much because sometimes you get someone who aint just in it for themselves
answered 5 hours ago
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I had this 'workday accounting' thing in my mind also. He may claim that he allowed less PTOs for his subordinates in a year. I strongly feel that he gets some sort of benefit out of it. Since no one has control over sick leaves whereas he may claim that he convinced his subordinates to reduce their PTO duration. That manager is cunning which makes me doubt on many actions he takes. Hence I asked this question.
– chrono_tachy
5 hours ago
@chrono_tachy My cousin is cunning but he uses it to help people. Luis can arrange anything to work for him but he likes to help people. What makes you think your manager is out for himself?
– Tina_Sea
4 hours ago
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I had this 'workday accounting' thing in my mind also. He may claim that he allowed less PTOs for his subordinates in a year. I strongly feel that he gets some sort of benefit out of it. Since no one has control over sick leaves whereas he may claim that he convinced his subordinates to reduce their PTO duration. That manager is cunning which makes me doubt on many actions he takes. Hence I asked this question.
– chrono_tachy
5 hours ago
@chrono_tachy My cousin is cunning but he uses it to help people. Luis can arrange anything to work for him but he likes to help people. What makes you think your manager is out for himself?
– Tina_Sea
4 hours ago
I had this 'workday accounting' thing in my mind also. He may claim that he allowed less PTOs for his subordinates in a year. I strongly feel that he gets some sort of benefit out of it. Since no one has control over sick leaves whereas he may claim that he convinced his subordinates to reduce their PTO duration. That manager is cunning which makes me doubt on many actions he takes. Hence I asked this question.
– chrono_tachy
5 hours ago
I had this 'workday accounting' thing in my mind also. He may claim that he allowed less PTOs for his subordinates in a year. I strongly feel that he gets some sort of benefit out of it. Since no one has control over sick leaves whereas he may claim that he convinced his subordinates to reduce their PTO duration. That manager is cunning which makes me doubt on many actions he takes. Hence I asked this question.
– chrono_tachy
5 hours ago
@chrono_tachy My cousin is cunning but he uses it to help people. Luis can arrange anything to work for him but he likes to help people. What makes you think your manager is out for himself?
– Tina_Sea
4 hours ago
@chrono_tachy My cousin is cunning but he uses it to help people. Luis can arrange anything to work for him but he likes to help people. What makes you think your manager is out for himself?
– Tina_Sea
4 hours ago
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@JoeStrazzere in the UK (and Europe?) it is usual to have 25-30 days paid time off in the form of holiday. In addition to this it is usual to be able to take time off sick which is also paid, this could be anywhere up to 6 months. HR departments often have some kind of hidden rule where you can take up to x days off a year before they start asking questions.
– P. Hopkinson
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Another aspect I've not seen considered in the comments and answers - HR may end up seeing these patterns of a sick day after a period of annual leave and flag the activity as suspicious.
– HorusKol
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@JoeStrazzere I'm not in Europe, but in Australia and NZ (which have similar employment laws) sick leave and annual leave are different to each other, and both can be accrued over the years if not used. I've also worked at organisations that give an unlimited amount of sick leave, with the caveat that it will be reviewed if it looks like it's being abused. I believe accrued sick leave is lost if not used by the end of employment, while (by law) unused annual leave needs to be paid out if the employee leaves.
– Player One
1 hour ago
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@JoeStrazzere In Europe, sick leave cannot be limited and is (for the most part) not up to company policy. Instead, you have a legal right to take time off when you're sick. Then, depending on the country, you might get only a fraction of your regular pay, not be paid at all during the first few days of sick leave, have to produce a note from your GP within a certain timeframe, have to stay at home most of the time, be subject to a counter-visit from a medical doctor hired by your employer, be subject to dismissal if you become sick long-term with no prospect of returning to work, etc.
– Relaxed
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Suppose you're on vacation while taking this sick day and get in a car accident. Now you have to apply for sick days in relation to an injury sustained while you were supposedly home sick while actually being in a different state. Explaining this would not be fun.
– candied_orange
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