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What makes a smart phone “kosher”?
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I have to admit that my phone is far smarter than me, and I am not "with it". So, I was surprised when a neighbor who is sending his kid to Israel told me that her kid needs a special "kosher" smart phone for use in his yeshiva.
When my kids went to yeshiva, the rule seemed simple. They weren't allowed to bring the phone into class. If they used it, it was confiscated and the school reported that they misbehaved. Sounds simple, I guess.
Apparently, something happened in the past ten years, roughly, and yeshivot are requiring a "kosher" phone. What is that about? Does it mean no web access at all; accessing specific web sites? No games? No apps at all, it's only for calls?
What makes this "kosher"? Is there a rav or Va'ad Harbganim certifying these phones? Are there different certifications? Who decides on the kashrut? Are there yeshivot or people that don't trust the kashrut of another smart phone? Are there specific brands or manufacturers that make such kosher phones? Do these cost more than other phones?
Sorry that I'm seemingly overloading the questions. This is not a Purim type question. I'm really puzzled by all this.
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I have to admit that my phone is far smarter than me, and I am not "with it". So, I was surprised when a neighbor who is sending his kid to Israel told me that her kid needs a special "kosher" smart phone for use in his yeshiva.
When my kids went to yeshiva, the rule seemed simple. They weren't allowed to bring the phone into class. If they used it, it was confiscated and the school reported that they misbehaved. Sounds simple, I guess.
Apparently, something happened in the past ten years, roughly, and yeshivot are requiring a "kosher" phone. What is that about? Does it mean no web access at all; accessing specific web sites? No games? No apps at all, it's only for calls?
What makes this "kosher"? Is there a rav or Va'ad Harbganim certifying these phones? Are there different certifications? Who decides on the kashrut? Are there yeshivot or people that don't trust the kashrut of another smart phone? Are there specific brands or manufacturers that make such kosher phones? Do these cost more than other phones?
Sorry that I'm seemingly overloading the questions. This is not a Purim type question. I'm really puzzled by all this.
kashrut-kosher technology
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In my experience, "kosher phone" usually means a phone that is not a smartphone. There are a variety of levels of locking down a smartphone from internet access depending on what you're looking for. AFAIK there's no certifying agency for these things as the level of locked-down-ness is easily verified.
– Daniel
8 hours ago
A phone becomes kosher when you can't get porn on it or access potentially heretical ideas on it.
– Clint Eastwood
8 hours ago
2
A kosher phone has to be the right species, must be properly schected by a trained phone shochet, the forbidden chipsets must be tribbored out, and it must be salted and soaked for the appropriate amount of time. Simple, really
– Josh K
6 hours ago
1
@JoshK You're celebrating Purim a bit too early, methinks. Also, you're way off. The phone does not need to be "shechted" (what an awful Yeshivish word!!!) But it needs both fins and scales.
– DanF
2 hours ago
1
A person I know in Bnei Brak has Whatsapp (the texting app most commonly used in Israel) but without pictures - even the faces of your friends have their profile pics removed. Of course in other communities this is considered heresy and nothing but a "soap bar phone" is accepted
– mbloch
2 hours ago
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I have to admit that my phone is far smarter than me, and I am not "with it". So, I was surprised when a neighbor who is sending his kid to Israel told me that her kid needs a special "kosher" smart phone for use in his yeshiva.
When my kids went to yeshiva, the rule seemed simple. They weren't allowed to bring the phone into class. If they used it, it was confiscated and the school reported that they misbehaved. Sounds simple, I guess.
Apparently, something happened in the past ten years, roughly, and yeshivot are requiring a "kosher" phone. What is that about? Does it mean no web access at all; accessing specific web sites? No games? No apps at all, it's only for calls?
What makes this "kosher"? Is there a rav or Va'ad Harbganim certifying these phones? Are there different certifications? Who decides on the kashrut? Are there yeshivot or people that don't trust the kashrut of another smart phone? Are there specific brands or manufacturers that make such kosher phones? Do these cost more than other phones?
Sorry that I'm seemingly overloading the questions. This is not a Purim type question. I'm really puzzled by all this.
kashrut-kosher technology
asked 9 hours ago
DanFDanF
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I have to admit that my phone is far smarter than me, and I am not "with it". So, I was surprised when a neighbor who is sending his kid to Israel told me that her kid needs a special "kosher" smart phone for use in his yeshiva.
When my kids went to yeshiva, the rule seemed simple. They weren't allowed to bring the phone into class. If they used it, it was confiscated and the school reported that they misbehaved. Sounds simple, I guess.
Apparently, something happened in the past ten years, roughly, and yeshivot are requiring a "kosher" phone. What is that about? Does it mean no web access at all; accessing specific web sites? No games? No apps at all, it's only for calls?
What makes this "kosher"? Is there a rav or Va'ad Harbganim certifying these phones? Are there different certifications? Who decides on the kashrut? Are there yeshivot or people that don't trust the kashrut of another smart phone? Are there specific brands or manufacturers that make such kosher phones? Do these cost more than other phones?
Sorry that I'm seemingly overloading the questions. This is not a Purim type question. I'm really puzzled by all this.
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In my experience, "kosher phone" usually means a phone that is not a smartphone. There are a variety of levels of locking down a smartphone from internet access depending on what you're looking for. AFAIK there's no certifying agency for these things as the level of locked-down-ness is easily verified.
– Daniel
8 hours ago
A phone becomes kosher when you can't get porn on it or access potentially heretical ideas on it.
– Clint Eastwood
8 hours ago
2
A kosher phone has to be the right species, must be properly schected by a trained phone shochet, the forbidden chipsets must be tribbored out, and it must be salted and soaked for the appropriate amount of time. Simple, really
– Josh K
6 hours ago
1
@JoshK You're celebrating Purim a bit too early, methinks. Also, you're way off. The phone does not need to be "shechted" (what an awful Yeshivish word!!!) But it needs both fins and scales.
– DanF
2 hours ago
1
A person I know in Bnei Brak has Whatsapp (the texting app most commonly used in Israel) but without pictures - even the faces of your friends have their profile pics removed. Of course in other communities this is considered heresy and nothing but a "soap bar phone" is accepted
– mbloch
2 hours ago
|
show 1 more comment
1
In my experience, "kosher phone" usually means a phone that is not a smartphone. There are a variety of levels of locking down a smartphone from internet access depending on what you're looking for. AFAIK there's no certifying agency for these things as the level of locked-down-ness is easily verified.
– Daniel
8 hours ago
A phone becomes kosher when you can't get porn on it or access potentially heretical ideas on it.
– Clint Eastwood
8 hours ago
2
A kosher phone has to be the right species, must be properly schected by a trained phone shochet, the forbidden chipsets must be tribbored out, and it must be salted and soaked for the appropriate amount of time. Simple, really
– Josh K
6 hours ago
1
@JoshK You're celebrating Purim a bit too early, methinks. Also, you're way off. The phone does not need to be "shechted" (what an awful Yeshivish word!!!) But it needs both fins and scales.
– DanF
2 hours ago
1
A person I know in Bnei Brak has Whatsapp (the texting app most commonly used in Israel) but without pictures - even the faces of your friends have their profile pics removed. Of course in other communities this is considered heresy and nothing but a "soap bar phone" is accepted
– mbloch
2 hours ago
1
1
In my experience, "kosher phone" usually means a phone that is not a smartphone. There are a variety of levels of locking down a smartphone from internet access depending on what you're looking for. AFAIK there's no certifying agency for these things as the level of locked-down-ness is easily verified.
– Daniel
8 hours ago
In my experience, "kosher phone" usually means a phone that is not a smartphone. There are a variety of levels of locking down a smartphone from internet access depending on what you're looking for. AFAIK there's no certifying agency for these things as the level of locked-down-ness is easily verified.
– Daniel
8 hours ago
A phone becomes kosher when you can't get porn on it or access potentially heretical ideas on it.
– Clint Eastwood
8 hours ago
A phone becomes kosher when you can't get porn on it or access potentially heretical ideas on it.
– Clint Eastwood
8 hours ago
2
2
A kosher phone has to be the right species, must be properly schected by a trained phone shochet, the forbidden chipsets must be tribbored out, and it must be salted and soaked for the appropriate amount of time. Simple, really
– Josh K
6 hours ago
A kosher phone has to be the right species, must be properly schected by a trained phone shochet, the forbidden chipsets must be tribbored out, and it must be salted and soaked for the appropriate amount of time. Simple, really
– Josh K
6 hours ago
1
1
@JoshK You're celebrating Purim a bit too early, methinks. Also, you're way off. The phone does not need to be "shechted" (what an awful Yeshivish word!!!) But it needs both fins and scales.
– DanF
2 hours ago
@JoshK You're celebrating Purim a bit too early, methinks. Also, you're way off. The phone does not need to be "shechted" (what an awful Yeshivish word!!!) But it needs both fins and scales.
– DanF
2 hours ago
1
1
A person I know in Bnei Brak has Whatsapp (the texting app most commonly used in Israel) but without pictures - even the faces of your friends have their profile pics removed. Of course in other communities this is considered heresy and nothing but a "soap bar phone" is accepted
– mbloch
2 hours ago
A person I know in Bnei Brak has Whatsapp (the texting app most commonly used in Israel) but without pictures - even the faces of your friends have their profile pics removed. Of course in other communities this is considered heresy and nothing but a "soap bar phone" is accepted
– mbloch
2 hours ago
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For Israel and the USA:
TAG certifies individual phones in the USA with a holographic sticker. Israel has a vaad that prints their hechsher directly on the phone (appropriate to their stricter standards, they don’t have a website). In short, a Kosher phone is one with limited technology and a hechsher attesting to that.
In Israel, Kosher phone plans are cheaper than regular plans, often significantly. The USA doesn’t have special Kosher plans.
Some Kosher phones, particularly in Israel, have call only capabilities: no texting, no camera, no internet. Along the spectrum you will find Kosher phones with limited apps. In general, a Kosher phone does not have a working internet browser. As usual, to each their own standards.
Source: direct experience
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Sounds great! A phone that's actually a phone and phone only, what a concept.
– Gary
3 hours ago
1
The link for TAG is sounding alarms in my browser. Can you verify it's what you intended?
– Monica Cellio♦
3 hours ago
@Gary Now this is the real Maxwell "Smart" phone!
– DanF
2 hours ago
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1 Answer
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oldest
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1 Answer
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active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
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active
oldest
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For Israel and the USA:
TAG certifies individual phones in the USA with a holographic sticker. Israel has a vaad that prints their hechsher directly on the phone (appropriate to their stricter standards, they don’t have a website). In short, a Kosher phone is one with limited technology and a hechsher attesting to that.
In Israel, Kosher phone plans are cheaper than regular plans, often significantly. The USA doesn’t have special Kosher plans.
Some Kosher phones, particularly in Israel, have call only capabilities: no texting, no camera, no internet. Along the spectrum you will find Kosher phones with limited apps. In general, a Kosher phone does not have a working internet browser. As usual, to each their own standards.
Source: direct experience
answered 8 hours ago
LN6595LN6595
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Sounds great! A phone that's actually a phone and phone only, what a concept.
– Gary
3 hours ago
1
The link for TAG is sounding alarms in my browser. Can you verify it's what you intended?
– Monica Cellio♦
3 hours ago
@Gary Now this is the real Maxwell "Smart" phone!
– DanF
2 hours ago
add a comment
|
For Israel and the USA:
TAG certifies individual phones in the USA with a holographic sticker. Israel has a vaad that prints their hechsher directly on the phone (appropriate to their stricter standards, they don’t have a website). In short, a Kosher phone is one with limited technology and a hechsher attesting to that.
In Israel, Kosher phone plans are cheaper than regular plans, often significantly. The USA doesn’t have special Kosher plans.
Some Kosher phones, particularly in Israel, have call only capabilities: no texting, no camera, no internet. Along the spectrum you will find Kosher phones with limited apps. In general, a Kosher phone does not have a working internet browser. As usual, to each their own standards.
Source: direct experience
answered 8 hours ago
LN6595LN6595
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1
Sounds great! A phone that's actually a phone and phone only, what a concept.
– Gary
3 hours ago
1
The link for TAG is sounding alarms in my browser. Can you verify it's what you intended?
– Monica Cellio♦
3 hours ago
@Gary Now this is the real Maxwell "Smart" phone!
– DanF
2 hours ago
add a comment
|
For Israel and the USA:
TAG certifies individual phones in the USA with a holographic sticker. Israel has a vaad that prints their hechsher directly on the phone (appropriate to their stricter standards, they don’t have a website). In short, a Kosher phone is one with limited technology and a hechsher attesting to that.
In Israel, Kosher phone plans are cheaper than regular plans, often significantly. The USA doesn’t have special Kosher plans.
Some Kosher phones, particularly in Israel, have call only capabilities: no texting, no camera, no internet. Along the spectrum you will find Kosher phones with limited apps. In general, a Kosher phone does not have a working internet browser. As usual, to each their own standards.
Source: direct experience
answered 8 hours ago
LN6595LN6595
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For Israel and the USA:
TAG certifies individual phones in the USA with a holographic sticker. Israel has a vaad that prints their hechsher directly on the phone (appropriate to their stricter standards, they don’t have a website). In short, a Kosher phone is one with limited technology and a hechsher attesting to that.
In Israel, Kosher phone plans are cheaper than regular plans, often significantly. The USA doesn’t have special Kosher plans.
Some Kosher phones, particularly in Israel, have call only capabilities: no texting, no camera, no internet. Along the spectrum you will find Kosher phones with limited apps. In general, a Kosher phone does not have a working internet browser. As usual, to each their own standards.
Source: direct experience
answered 8 hours ago
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answered 8 hours ago
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answered 8 hours ago
LN6595LN6595
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1
Sounds great! A phone that's actually a phone and phone only, what a concept.
– Gary
3 hours ago
1
The link for TAG is sounding alarms in my browser. Can you verify it's what you intended?
– Monica Cellio♦
3 hours ago
@Gary Now this is the real Maxwell "Smart" phone!
– DanF
2 hours ago
add a comment
|
1
Sounds great! A phone that's actually a phone and phone only, what a concept.
– Gary
3 hours ago
1
The link for TAG is sounding alarms in my browser. Can you verify it's what you intended?
– Monica Cellio♦
3 hours ago
@Gary Now this is the real Maxwell "Smart" phone!
– DanF
2 hours ago
1
1
Sounds great! A phone that's actually a phone and phone only, what a concept.
– Gary
3 hours ago
Sounds great! A phone that's actually a phone and phone only, what a concept.
– Gary
3 hours ago
1
1
The link for TAG is sounding alarms in my browser. Can you verify it's what you intended?
– Monica Cellio♦
3 hours ago
The link for TAG is sounding alarms in my browser. Can you verify it's what you intended?
– Monica Cellio♦
3 hours ago
@Gary Now this is the real Maxwell "Smart" phone!
– DanF
2 hours ago
@Gary Now this is the real Maxwell "Smart" phone!
– DanF
2 hours ago
add a comment
|
1
In my experience, "kosher phone" usually means a phone that is not a smartphone. There are a variety of levels of locking down a smartphone from internet access depending on what you're looking for. AFAIK there's no certifying agency for these things as the level of locked-down-ness is easily verified.
– Daniel
8 hours ago
A phone becomes kosher when you can't get porn on it or access potentially heretical ideas on it.
– Clint Eastwood
8 hours ago
2
A kosher phone has to be the right species, must be properly schected by a trained phone shochet, the forbidden chipsets must be tribbored out, and it must be salted and soaked for the appropriate amount of time. Simple, really
– Josh K
6 hours ago
1
@JoshK You're celebrating Purim a bit too early, methinks. Also, you're way off. The phone does not need to be "shechted" (what an awful Yeshivish word!!!) But it needs both fins and scales.
– DanF
2 hours ago
1
A person I know in Bnei Brak has Whatsapp (the texting app most commonly used in Israel) but without pictures - even the faces of your friends have their profile pics removed. Of course in other communities this is considered heresy and nothing but a "soap bar phone" is accepted
– mbloch
2 hours ago