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I’m quite confused with regards to photon emission throughout the creation of the universe.



From what I’ve heard, there was no light (of any frequency) in the universe until 300,000 years after the Big Bang. This because then the universe cooled down enough to allow for atoms. However, it seems that electrons were created at ~3 minutes after the Big Bang. In this big electron soup, where they are constantly being thrusted around, aren’t they being accelerated and hence would release radiation? Then there should be light due to the accelerated electrons (just like how accelerated electrons produce radio waves right?)










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    Electrons were not created 3 minutes after the big bang. You can't see photons from times earlier than about 300,000 years after the big bang simply because the universe was not transparent back then.
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I’m quite confused with regards to photon emission throughout the creation of the universe.



From what I’ve heard, there was no light (of any frequency) in the universe until 300,000 years after the Big Bang. This because then the universe cooled down enough to allow for atoms. However, it seems that electrons were created at ~3 minutes after the Big Bang. In this big electron soup, where they are constantly being thrusted around, aren’t they being accelerated and hence would release radiation? Then there should be light due to the accelerated electrons (just like how accelerated electrons produce radio waves right?)










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    Electrons were not created 3 minutes after the big bang. You can't see photons from times earlier than about 300,000 years after the big bang simply because the universe was not transparent back then.
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I’m quite confused with regards to photon emission throughout the creation of the universe.



From what I’ve heard, there was no light (of any frequency) in the universe until 300,000 years after the Big Bang. This because then the universe cooled down enough to allow for atoms. However, it seems that electrons were created at ~3 minutes after the Big Bang. In this big electron soup, where they are constantly being thrusted around, aren’t they being accelerated and hence would release radiation? Then there should be light due to the accelerated electrons (just like how accelerated electrons produce radio waves right?)










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I’m quite confused with regards to photon emission throughout the creation of the universe.



From what I’ve heard, there was no light (of any frequency) in the universe until 300,000 years after the Big Bang. This because then the universe cooled down enough to allow for atoms. However, it seems that electrons were created at ~3 minutes after the Big Bang. In this big electron soup, where they are constantly being thrusted around, aren’t they being accelerated and hence would release radiation? Then there should be light due to the accelerated electrons (just like how accelerated electrons produce radio waves right?)







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  • $begingroup$
    Electrons were not created 3 minutes after the big bang. You can't see photons from times earlier than about 300,000 years after the big bang simply because the universe was not transparent back then.
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    Electrons were not created 3 minutes after the big bang. You can't see photons from times earlier than about 300,000 years after the big bang simply because the universe was not transparent back then.
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Electrons were not created 3 minutes after the big bang. You can't see photons from times earlier than about 300,000 years after the big bang simply because the universe was not transparent back then.
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Electrons were not created 3 minutes after the big bang. You can't see photons from times earlier than about 300,000 years after the big bang simply because the universe was not transparent back then.
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You heard wrong. There were photons, electrons, protons, and neutrons before 300,000 years. (And very early, before there were protons and neutrons, there were quarks.)



Before 300,000 years, the photons could not propagate freely; they were being constantly scattered by the charged plasma of protons and electrons. The universe was effectively opaque.



Around 300,000 years, the universe had cooled enough that protons and electrons could form hydrogen atoms. A few other light elements also formed, because protons and neutrons had earlier formed helium nuclei, etc.



Atoms are overall electrically neutral and do not scatter photons nearly as much as a charged plasma does. So, after 300,000 years, the photons could move right through the neutral hydrogen gas. The universe became transparent. Cosmic photons created in the Big Bang have been moving without scattering for billions of years since “recombination”, the formation of neutral atoms.






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    You heard wrong. There were photons, electrons, protons, and neutrons before 300,000 years. (And very early, before there were protons and neutrons, there were quarks.)



    Before 300,000 years, the photons could not propagate freely; they were being constantly scattered by the charged plasma of protons and electrons. The universe was effectively opaque.



    Around 300,000 years, the universe had cooled enough that protons and electrons could form hydrogen atoms. A few other light elements also formed, because protons and neutrons had earlier formed helium nuclei, etc.



    Atoms are overall electrically neutral and do not scatter photons nearly as much as a charged plasma does. So, after 300,000 years, the photons could move right through the neutral hydrogen gas. The universe became transparent. Cosmic photons created in the Big Bang have been moving without scattering for billions of years since “recombination”, the formation of neutral atoms.






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      You heard wrong. There were photons, electrons, protons, and neutrons before 300,000 years. (And very early, before there were protons and neutrons, there were quarks.)



      Before 300,000 years, the photons could not propagate freely; they were being constantly scattered by the charged plasma of protons and electrons. The universe was effectively opaque.



      Around 300,000 years, the universe had cooled enough that protons and electrons could form hydrogen atoms. A few other light elements also formed, because protons and neutrons had earlier formed helium nuclei, etc.



      Atoms are overall electrically neutral and do not scatter photons nearly as much as a charged plasma does. So, after 300,000 years, the photons could move right through the neutral hydrogen gas. The universe became transparent. Cosmic photons created in the Big Bang have been moving without scattering for billions of years since “recombination”, the formation of neutral atoms.






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        You heard wrong. There were photons, electrons, protons, and neutrons before 300,000 years. (And very early, before there were protons and neutrons, there were quarks.)



        Before 300,000 years, the photons could not propagate freely; they were being constantly scattered by the charged plasma of protons and electrons. The universe was effectively opaque.



        Around 300,000 years, the universe had cooled enough that protons and electrons could form hydrogen atoms. A few other light elements also formed, because protons and neutrons had earlier formed helium nuclei, etc.



        Atoms are overall electrically neutral and do not scatter photons nearly as much as a charged plasma does. So, after 300,000 years, the photons could move right through the neutral hydrogen gas. The universe became transparent. Cosmic photons created in the Big Bang have been moving without scattering for billions of years since “recombination”, the formation of neutral atoms.






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        You heard wrong. There were photons, electrons, protons, and neutrons before 300,000 years. (And very early, before there were protons and neutrons, there were quarks.)



        Before 300,000 years, the photons could not propagate freely; they were being constantly scattered by the charged plasma of protons and electrons. The universe was effectively opaque.



        Around 300,000 years, the universe had cooled enough that protons and electrons could form hydrogen atoms. A few other light elements also formed, because protons and neutrons had earlier formed helium nuclei, etc.



        Atoms are overall electrically neutral and do not scatter photons nearly as much as a charged plasma does. So, after 300,000 years, the photons could move right through the neutral hydrogen gas. The universe became transparent. Cosmic photons created in the Big Bang have been moving without scattering for billions of years since “recombination”, the formation of neutral atoms.







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