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In the wake of the accident that affected Simon Gautier who made a bad fall while trekking in Italy, and emergency services took over a week to locate him after he called them, one may wonder: in an emergency, how do I find and share my position when I am lost or disoriented?



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  • One is going on what they (should) know is a perilous trip, probably requiring special preparation, and possibly where cell signal will not be available.

  • One is just going on their day-to-day business, but happens to require emergency services in a location they don't know well (breakdown or accident on a road somewhere in the countryside, for instance), and they are able to get at least minimal (voice) cell coverage to reach emergency service, but just need to be able to find out and share their location.










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In the wake of the accident that affected Simon Gautier who made a bad fall while trekking in Italy, and emergency services took over a week to locate him after he called them, one may wonder: in an emergency, how do I find and share my position when I am lost or disoriented?



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In the wake of the accident that affected Simon Gautier who made a bad fall while trekking in Italy, and emergency services took over a week to locate him after he called them, one may wonder: in an emergency, how do I find and share my position when I am lost or disoriented?



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To make it clear, both of these scenarios should be considered:




  • One is going on what they (should) know is a perilous trip, probably requiring special preparation, and possibly where cell signal will not be available.

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In the wake of the accident that affected Simon Gautier who made a bad fall while trekking in Italy, and emergency services took over a week to locate him after he called them, one may wonder: in an emergency, how do I find and share my position when I am lost or disoriented?



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To make it clear, both of these scenarios should be considered:




  • One is going on what they (should) know is a perilous trip, probably requiring special preparation, and possibly where cell signal will not be available.

  • One is just going on their day-to-day business, but happens to require emergency services in a location they don't know well (breakdown or accident on a road somewhere in the countryside, for instance), and they are able to get at least minimal (voice) cell coverage to reach emergency service, but just need to be able to find out and share their location.







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If away from civilization (and I will count this particular instance as falling there), the real answer is to have either a Personal Locator Beacon (PLB) or a Spot/InReach device. They each have their relative pluses and minuses.



A PLB is a small handheld (about the size of an adult fist) device that uses multiple emergency channels to provide information to trigger and aid a search and rescue effort. You unfold the antenna and hit a button. Using a built-in GPS it attempts to get a fix. Whether it finds that fix or not, it uses an international emergency frequency in the 400MHz range to send distress messages to satellites. If a GPS fix is available, your location is contained in the message. If not, provided you have updated your on-line profile for your trip, it has some info to go on. Of course, the particular satellite that receives the information also gives some idea of where to start looking. Further, the PLB transmits on 121.5MHz, the international frequency for downed aircraft. All search and rescue teams are trained in using this signal to home in on the source. The PLB I use (well, haven't used yet) has a single use battery that needs to be replaced every 5 years - you don't have to worry about it not working when you need it.



Devices such as Spot and InReach use the Iridium constellation to send messages. Either can trigger a search and rescue operation through the network. They also provide GPS coordinates (if a fix is available) to emergency responders. One advantage is they have 2-way messaging on them, a feature the PLB lacks. If used in non-emergency situations to track your position for friends, send messages, etc., you might worry about running out of battery power at the wrong time.



Either one, properly cared and treated, is the proper way to be prepared to alert search and rescue when away from civilization (be it just hiking in the hills - lets not talk about how hard it was to get 911 to respond to a trailhead in the foothills near town - since I didn't have a street address to give them they were really confused for a while until I used Google maps to find a house address near the trailhead).






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In some countries, AML (Advanced Mobile Location) will automatically send your location to the emergency services when you call them.



However:




  • This currently only works in 15 countries

  • This may not work with all phones

  • This may not work using all emergency services numbers

  • It may not work if you are roaming


One can refer to the EENA (European Emergency Number Association) latest report for details.



Otherwise:





  • If you have Google Maps on your phone (standard on all Android phones AFAIK, easy download on iOS phones):




    • Open Google Maps

    • Wait a few seconds for it to find your location (the light blue circle is as small as possible around the blue dot, or even disappears completely)

    • Do a long press on your location

    • Swipe up the card at the bottom

    • Read the "Plus code" next to the sign.

    • Anyone can then type this into Google to find the exact location

    • Alternatively, you can read out the coordinates just above, though it's a long series of digits, and may be more difficult to read out than the short Plus code.




  • On iOS




    • Open the Compass app (stock app)

    • Wait a few seconds for it to find your location

    • Read out the latitude and longitude

    • You can also share you location via message, e-mail, or any of the messaging apps on your phone.



  • In some places, emergency services recommend the use of the What 3 Words app. This will give a code made of 3 words identifying your position.



Do NOT wait for an emergency. Make sure you have at least one of those 3 apps, and learn out to find your own location NOW, so you are prepared for the day you need it.






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I'm amazed that the answers here are all reliant on technology. This is a problem that existed long before the advent of phones, GPS and satellite communications. The real answer is that you must be personally responsible and do a bit of planning and preparation. Here is what they teach children about trekking/hiking in the UK and I assume most of the rest of Europe.




  1. Plan your route in advance, including backup/escape routes

  2. Let someone know your plans; your route and when you expect to finish*

  3. Carry a map and compass and know how to use them

  4. Carry emergency equipment in case you need it; whistle, torch, survival bag, first aid kit, spare food and water, warm clothes

  5. Keep up to date with weather and conditions and be prepared to turn back


Every outdoor/expedition advice or guidance will tell you not to rely on a mobile phone. Locator beacons are more reliable in terms of signal but have their downsides in that they are expensive and you need to register them (and maintain your registration). If you activate a PLB in the Alps simply because you are lost the authorities will charge you for the rescue, which will be thousands of Euro and will not be covered by your insurance. The false alarm rate is also astonishingly high, so there are questions over how these would be prioritised by SAR. There are a few instances of PLB triggered rescues in the UK, but not many.



Of course the reality is that mobile phones can prove to be, in many cases, an amazing tool for alerting the authorities to an emergency. Simon did manage to make a call but he couldn't tell them where he was. If he knew his location (map & compass) he would have been able to get rescuers near enough so that they could hear his whistle blowing.



All rescue teams publish regular reports which include details of callouts and rescues. They are very interesting reading and can give great insight into the how SAR works, what mistakes are often made and how to avoid them. I would advise anyone interested in the outdoors to read them.



Edit: If you have a map and compass (and know how to use them) you can quickly and easily find your position when lost and disoriented. This is just basic navigation skills - look around you for features you can identify on the map and use the compass to find their bearing. Track this back to the map and bingo you have a decent idea of your position. If you have a sighting compass and good skills you can find your position as accurately as GPS. The map and compass isn't just for planning!



* In my experience most outdoor focused accommodation will expect you to tell them this when you book. This is certainly true of YHA in the UK and alpine refuges.






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    To point 4, I would add a bright headlight. Not only so you can use it in blinking mode in emergencies, but also to help avert disaster if you simply get lost and it becomes dark. And what is YHA? Youth Hostel Association?

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    Most of this is not answering the question. The question wants to know how to find and share a position "when I am lost or disoriented". Things like planning your route and carrying a map will help you avoid getting lost, but OP wants to know what to do when he is lost (in spite of whatever could have helped him avoid it). That is perhaps why you are surprised that the other answers are relying on technology. Your answer contains lots of good advice, but most of it is off-topic.

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    @JBentley - the map and compass allows you to find your position when lost - that's half its purpose

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  • @PatriciaShanahan a wind up torch is a last resort - they tend to be fairly low power and not suitable for navigation at night. Spare batteries are advised instead.

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There's a really neat app I just discovered called what3words. It encodes your location (precise to 3x3 meters) as three words in the English language. The statue of liberty is encoded as toned.melt.ship.



If you were to call emergency services, the idea would be that it's far easier to give them three words that correspond to your exact location than to somehow pass them GPS coordinates.



(Obviously, you'll need a GPS connection for the app to find your location on your phone.)






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    What 3 Words is a great app. An additional note that it's not just in English - it covers the globe in multiple languages, so you could give them three words in German, Italian, etc. and you can still be located. I try to promote W3W whenever I'm in areas that have limited address information as it can be a great way to find specific locations, and 3 words are easy to remember as a pseudo address

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    As @Midavalo says, this isn’t just English, it’s many languages. You can edit your answer to improve it. Also this is officially used and recognised by many emergency services in the UK.

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    Please do not use What3Words as it is not an open standard. Go for Plus codes, which are also supported in Google Maps.

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    What3Words is recommended by a number of police forces in the UK bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-49319760

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    @Jontia the people in that news story were idiots. They got lost and chose to call 999 to get instructions about how to download and use a proprietary geolocation app. They should have been fined for wasting valuable time of emergency service personnel.

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If you've got a data signal and smartphone, in some countries the emergency services can send you a text (SMS) containing a link. You click the link, give the browser permission to send your location, and they know where you are. This worked well for me when I crashed my bike in Ireland and had to call an ambulance for myself (in the middle of nowhere, late at night). I knew where I was but the remote road name wasn't on their map.



I have an app installed (GPS status & Toolbox) that gives me my location whenever my GPS is locked on, but it was set to (GB) OS grid reference so no use in Ireland. If you're reasonably confident of a GPS signal this or a similar app is good to have (it's also useful if you're using your phone as a pure GPS combined with paper mapping). This doesn't need data so works if you've got a really weak mobile signal.



You can also use various services to share your location with your friends at all times (Google maps allows this, but there are better services sharing your track as well, such as Locatoweb). This will mean that if you lose signal and fail to return or contact anyone, your friends will have your recent position when they call for help.* In mountainous terrain you often get a bit of signal at odd times. The downside is heavy battery use, as you need both GPS and mobile data running.



* Assuming you've let someone know where you're going and when you plan to get back, as is good practice when going into the wilderness.






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  • This will mean that if you lose signal and fail to check in, your friends will have your recent position when they call for help., that sounds positively disastrous. As soon as my battery is dead (which will be quick with such an app) or I am out of coverage or data roaming (which likely applies to the majority of the world), my friends will think I'm in an emergency?

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    @gerrit, my wording was perhaps more suited to outdoors.se: it's a long established practice to leave details of where you're going and when you're expected back, then to check in when you do get back. In that context failing to check in is equivalent to failing to return. I now realise Facebook et al apply the term in a way that changes the meaning of my answer - I'll be more specific

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Emergency Locator Transmitters are marvelous things, but the infrastructure to support a truly excellent one is fantastically expensive. As such, the world actually got together on something, and built one system called the 406 MHz ELT. Everyone uses it - ships at sea, jetliners, and hikers willing to throw down the ~$350 for a transmitter able to share the playfield with 747's. There's a jointly run NOC that knows how to reach all the world's emergency responders, from the Eritrean Coast Guard to CalFire. This system was conceived in the 1980s, so it doesn't think about mundane uses like tweeting, and in fact is not 2-way.



The 406 system has one job and one use. It has a long life, one-shot battery, so it doesn't need to be occasionallly charged like a normal electronic device.



There is a private effort called SPoT, which is less optimized to be an ELT and more optimized to be a social media toy. It uses the Iridium sat phone network, which is intended for satellite phones not emergency locators. As such, Spot's coverage is poorer than the dedicated 406 MHz ELT network. By "poorer" I mean ability to function in valleys and canyons, and also ability to communicate with more obscure emergency services.



However, because SPoT is rooted in newer 2-way system, it has some bells and whistles the 406 MHz system does not have. It hourly logs your location, creating a "breadcrumb" log of your route (when able to communicate) or when commanded by the user. And of course, it has its primary function of 2-way messaging, which you can do anytime you have signal.



SPoT is also a pay service, which means you must have it paid up, and it has an ordinary rechargeable battery that must be recharged every few months at least. You can,t just stick it in your glove box for a rainy day.



This equipment can also be rented. Emergency responders call the owner, who states who they rented it to. (Of course that's a link in the chain!)



This is a corner case, though



Because he was in a crevasse, he's more likely to get signal from a 406 MHz ELT than a SPoT, but realistically there's a fair chance he wouldn't get signal for either one of them. In that case, each of them would contribute something different.




  • SPoT would contribute the "breadcrumb" locations from the hours before, which would get them within a couple kilometers. That's if authorities could associate his 911 call with his SPoT account - and that's a big if!

  • the 406 MHz ELT has a second trick: it transmits a tone on the 121.5 MHz emergency frequency, which is an older, pre-satellite emergency location system designed to direct terrestrial rescue efforts. It is used and monitored (not least by passing airliners) and emergency services are well-practiced at triangulating on signals from it. Ideally, 406 gets them in the neighborhood and 121 brings them home. There's also a chance his tone would be heard organically, even with a 406 failure due to terrain. If he had specifically said on the cell phone that he'd activated an ELT, they surely would have sent a plane up and down the coast to listen. They would have triangulated quickly, between the tone and the verbal description "I can see the ocean".


Again, this is a corner case. On an average activation, especially assuming terrain is involved, the 406 is better than the SPoT, and certainly works more places in the world (because the 406 NOC is better equipped to reach relevant authorities).



I am also concerned with cases like James Kim. SPoT requires you keep a subscription paid up and a typical smart-device battery recharged. If either of those is let to slide, SPoT is worthless. A 406 can be thrown under the car seat with the flares and poncho, and forgotten about for several years.






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    @Harper They'll call the owning rental company which will have the details of the tenant/renter — at least that's what I was told when I rented them (which I haven't done recently; I rent a satellite phone nowadays).

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    The aviation guard frequency is 121.5 MHz. I can't find anything that specifically mentioned 121.75 MHz as an emergency frequency of any sort

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  • There's a separate aviation air-to-air frequency for general use on 122.75, but that's clearly not relevant here. I really think 121.5 is the intended frequency here.

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One practically free option is to have a strobe light app installed on your mobile phone. Some of those apps support the "SOS" pattern. It doesn't help much during daylight, but after the sunset light beacons are very effective. Even on the bottom of a ravine, there's a good chance that strobe light will be visible to rescue boats / helicopters. Obviously, that works best if you could reach the rescue services and they are looking for you.



Another cheap (but not free) option is an online GPS tracker. Since it uploads your GPS coordinates regularly, it provides useful data even if fall somewhere with no GPS coverage: the coordinates of where you were before the fall.






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  • Many headlights have such a function, and they're much brighter than any smartphone light.

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  • @gerrit The smartphone has an advantage of always being there.

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    Wouldn't that empty the phone's battery pretty quickly?

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Potentially better than a PLB may be a satellite phone, of course in combination with GPS. Although I'm not sure if coverage is better, with a satellite phone one can talk.



Only Iridium has global coverage, but you can consider cheaper alternatives if they have coverage where you're going. Forget about regular mobile phones: mobile phones only have coverage where many people live or visit. You might have coverage elsewhere, or you might not. Do not rely on regular mobile phones. Some people even leave their mobile phone switched on when in nature, which of course means it will run out of battery (in particular if using GPS, camera, data, tracking apps) and cannot be suitable as an emergency device.



The major advantage of a satellite phone is that you can talk. When you're in a crevasse and lucky enough to still have signal, describing the details of your precise location can save your life ("I fell into the long crevasse with the oddly shaped rock near the lower end"). With poor multipath reception GPS location may be easily be 30 metre off (as opposed to 2–3 metre with good reception), and if emergency services have to explore all crevasses in a 30 metre radius, that is not helpful.



Not knowing where you are can be deadly. Bring a modern handheld GPS device, or be very confident of your navigational skills and constantly follow your position on a high quality topography map.



A good Iridium satellite phone is expensive (well over €1000 for the device), and owning one is uneconomical for most ordinary users. When I go to remote places, I rent a satellite phone. Prices may be in the order of 5–10 €, $, or £ per day, perhaps twice the cost of renting a PLB.






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  • PLB still wins on reliability in rough terrain. SPoT uses Iridium's network, so a sat phone doesn't have any better coverage than SPoT. If anything a phone is worse off, because simple messaging is easier to connect than a voice call, especially down in a hole where satellites aren't in your sky long.

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  • @Harper I'd be curious about evidence of the reliability of PLB vs. SPoT vs. a high-end Iridium satphone. The latter might have a better antenna than SPoT? I don't know.

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If you have a working internet connection (and I realize that it is a big "if"), then chances are that you already have a messaging app installed that can do that: Whatsapp, Telegram, and Facebook Messenger all have an option to send your GPS-determined location to a contact with a couple of clicks.



This is probably obvious for many of you, but I thought it was worth remarking.






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    This answer explains the importance and value of maps and compasses. An additional point worth making is that many popular trails will have periodic signs giving location information such as nearest street, postcodes, and, best of all, Ordnance survey grid-references (here is an example where the grid-reference is ST835128 (the 'ST' part is not on the sign)). The point of those signs is to enable you to give concise location data in the event of requiring emergency services. So, as you walk along, look out for these signs and either take note of or memorise some of these data (until you get to the next sign).






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      You can use an old-fashioned flare gun and hope that someone will report it. Whistles and mirrors/lights are also often used in case of emergencies.



      More modern option is Spot which uploads your position at least every 60 minutes and allows you to call for help or mark as safe. Because it uses GPS and sends messages through similar frequencies you need to have the sky visible to be able to communicate. As your position is updated periodically someone can monitor your progress and call for help when there is no movement. This will help you in case you are unconscious or stuck in a cave/dense woods and are unable to communicate.






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      If you do have cell service and have an iPhone on you, you can send an Emergency SOS. It will call Emergency Services for you and send your location to your emergency contacts. Your emergency contact will have your location and should be able to provide it to the emergency services, if you are unable to do so (for example when you lose consciousness) or your connection is not reliable enough to provide it over a phone call.




      Here's how to make the call on iPhone 8 or later:




      1. Press and hold the side button and one of the Volume buttons until the Emergency SOS slider appears.

      2. Drag the Emergency SOS slider to call emergency services. If you continue to hold down the side button and Volume button, instead of dragging the slider, a countdown begins and an alert sounds. If you hold down the buttons until the countdown ends, your iPhone automatically calls emergency services.


      Here's how to make the call on iPhone 7 or earlier:




      1. Rapidly press the side (or top) button five times. The Emergency SOS slider will appear. (In India, you only need to press the button three times, then your iPhone automatically calls emergency services.)

      2. Drag the Emergency SOS slider to call emergency services.


      After the call ends, your iPhone sends your Emergency contacts a text message with your current location, unless you choose to cancel. If Location Services is off, it will temporarily turn on. If your location changes, your contacts will get an update, and you'll get a notification about 10 minutes later.







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        If you use an Android phone with Google services enabled (which is the case if you did not put your own firmware) then you can continuously share your location with people you choose. The positioning is not always 100% accurate but for a slow moving person (walking) it should be good enough (I noticed that when biking, some of the points (maybe one or two over 15 km) are off by ~100 m).



        Go to Google Maps and choose "position sharing" in the menu (I have the French version so this is a translation).



        Make sure to do that before leaving so that your position is recorded all the time and someone can see the "last good" one if you would not have data access when being in danger.






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          I have an app called Life360. It tracks your location using GPS, and at any time you can send a help alert witch notifies emergency contacts by text and email and you can call emergency services. Your last known location can be viewed by selected people at any time. Link to download.






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            If away from civilization (and I will count this particular instance as falling there), the real answer is to have either a Personal Locator Beacon (PLB) or a Spot/InReach device. They each have their relative pluses and minuses.



            A PLB is a small handheld (about the size of an adult fist) device that uses multiple emergency channels to provide information to trigger and aid a search and rescue effort. You unfold the antenna and hit a button. Using a built-in GPS it attempts to get a fix. Whether it finds that fix or not, it uses an international emergency frequency in the 400MHz range to send distress messages to satellites. If a GPS fix is available, your location is contained in the message. If not, provided you have updated your on-line profile for your trip, it has some info to go on. Of course, the particular satellite that receives the information also gives some idea of where to start looking. Further, the PLB transmits on 121.5MHz, the international frequency for downed aircraft. All search and rescue teams are trained in using this signal to home in on the source. The PLB I use (well, haven't used yet) has a single use battery that needs to be replaced every 5 years - you don't have to worry about it not working when you need it.



            Devices such as Spot and InReach use the Iridium constellation to send messages. Either can trigger a search and rescue operation through the network. They also provide GPS coordinates (if a fix is available) to emergency responders. One advantage is they have 2-way messaging on them, a feature the PLB lacks. If used in non-emergency situations to track your position for friends, send messages, etc., you might worry about running out of battery power at the wrong time.



            Either one, properly cared and treated, is the proper way to be prepared to alert search and rescue when away from civilization (be it just hiking in the hills - lets not talk about how hard it was to get 911 to respond to a trailhead in the foothills near town - since I didn't have a street address to give them they were really confused for a while until I used Google maps to find a house address near the trailhead).






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            If away from civilization (and I will count this particular instance as falling there), the real answer is to have either a Personal Locator Beacon (PLB) or a Spot/InReach device. They each have their relative pluses and minuses.



            A PLB is a small handheld (about the size of an adult fist) device that uses multiple emergency channels to provide information to trigger and aid a search and rescue effort. You unfold the antenna and hit a button. Using a built-in GPS it attempts to get a fix. Whether it finds that fix or not, it uses an international emergency frequency in the 400MHz range to send distress messages to satellites. If a GPS fix is available, your location is contained in the message. If not, provided you have updated your on-line profile for your trip, it has some info to go on. Of course, the particular satellite that receives the information also gives some idea of where to start looking. Further, the PLB transmits on 121.5MHz, the international frequency for downed aircraft. All search and rescue teams are trained in using this signal to home in on the source. The PLB I use (well, haven't used yet) has a single use battery that needs to be replaced every 5 years - you don't have to worry about it not working when you need it.



            Devices such as Spot and InReach use the Iridium constellation to send messages. Either can trigger a search and rescue operation through the network. They also provide GPS coordinates (if a fix is available) to emergency responders. One advantage is they have 2-way messaging on them, a feature the PLB lacks. If used in non-emergency situations to track your position for friends, send messages, etc., you might worry about running out of battery power at the wrong time.



            Either one, properly cared and treated, is the proper way to be prepared to alert search and rescue when away from civilization (be it just hiking in the hills - lets not talk about how hard it was to get 911 to respond to a trailhead in the foothills near town - since I didn't have a street address to give them they were really confused for a while until I used Google maps to find a house address near the trailhead).






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            If away from civilization (and I will count this particular instance as falling there), the real answer is to have either a Personal Locator Beacon (PLB) or a Spot/InReach device. They each have their relative pluses and minuses.



            A PLB is a small handheld (about the size of an adult fist) device that uses multiple emergency channels to provide information to trigger and aid a search and rescue effort. You unfold the antenna and hit a button. Using a built-in GPS it attempts to get a fix. Whether it finds that fix or not, it uses an international emergency frequency in the 400MHz range to send distress messages to satellites. If a GPS fix is available, your location is contained in the message. If not, provided you have updated your on-line profile for your trip, it has some info to go on. Of course, the particular satellite that receives the information also gives some idea of where to start looking. Further, the PLB transmits on 121.5MHz, the international frequency for downed aircraft. All search and rescue teams are trained in using this signal to home in on the source. The PLB I use (well, haven't used yet) has a single use battery that needs to be replaced every 5 years - you don't have to worry about it not working when you need it.



            Devices such as Spot and InReach use the Iridium constellation to send messages. Either can trigger a search and rescue operation through the network. They also provide GPS coordinates (if a fix is available) to emergency responders. One advantage is they have 2-way messaging on them, a feature the PLB lacks. If used in non-emergency situations to track your position for friends, send messages, etc., you might worry about running out of battery power at the wrong time.



            Either one, properly cared and treated, is the proper way to be prepared to alert search and rescue when away from civilization (be it just hiking in the hills - lets not talk about how hard it was to get 911 to respond to a trailhead in the foothills near town - since I didn't have a street address to give them they were really confused for a while until I used Google maps to find a house address near the trailhead).






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            If away from civilization (and I will count this particular instance as falling there), the real answer is to have either a Personal Locator Beacon (PLB) or a Spot/InReach device. They each have their relative pluses and minuses.



            A PLB is a small handheld (about the size of an adult fist) device that uses multiple emergency channels to provide information to trigger and aid a search and rescue effort. You unfold the antenna and hit a button. Using a built-in GPS it attempts to get a fix. Whether it finds that fix or not, it uses an international emergency frequency in the 400MHz range to send distress messages to satellites. If a GPS fix is available, your location is contained in the message. If not, provided you have updated your on-line profile for your trip, it has some info to go on. Of course, the particular satellite that receives the information also gives some idea of where to start looking. Further, the PLB transmits on 121.5MHz, the international frequency for downed aircraft. All search and rescue teams are trained in using this signal to home in on the source. The PLB I use (well, haven't used yet) has a single use battery that needs to be replaced every 5 years - you don't have to worry about it not working when you need it.



            Devices such as Spot and InReach use the Iridium constellation to send messages. Either can trigger a search and rescue operation through the network. They also provide GPS coordinates (if a fix is available) to emergency responders. One advantage is they have 2-way messaging on them, a feature the PLB lacks. If used in non-emergency situations to track your position for friends, send messages, etc., you might worry about running out of battery power at the wrong time.



            Either one, properly cared and treated, is the proper way to be prepared to alert search and rescue when away from civilization (be it just hiking in the hills - lets not talk about how hard it was to get 911 to respond to a trailhead in the foothills near town - since I didn't have a street address to give them they were really confused for a while until I used Google maps to find a house address near the trailhead).







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            In some countries, AML (Advanced Mobile Location) will automatically send your location to the emergency services when you call them.



            However:




            • This currently only works in 15 countries

            • This may not work with all phones

            • This may not work using all emergency services numbers

            • It may not work if you are roaming


            One can refer to the EENA (European Emergency Number Association) latest report for details.



            Otherwise:





            • If you have Google Maps on your phone (standard on all Android phones AFAIK, easy download on iOS phones):




              • Open Google Maps

              • Wait a few seconds for it to find your location (the light blue circle is as small as possible around the blue dot, or even disappears completely)

              • Do a long press on your location

              • Swipe up the card at the bottom

              • Read the "Plus code" next to the sign.

              • Anyone can then type this into Google to find the exact location

              • Alternatively, you can read out the coordinates just above, though it's a long series of digits, and may be more difficult to read out than the short Plus code.




            • On iOS




              • Open the Compass app (stock app)

              • Wait a few seconds for it to find your location

              • Read out the latitude and longitude

              • You can also share you location via message, e-mail, or any of the messaging apps on your phone.



            • In some places, emergency services recommend the use of the What 3 Words app. This will give a code made of 3 words identifying your position.



            Do NOT wait for an emergency. Make sure you have at least one of those 3 apps, and learn out to find your own location NOW, so you are prepared for the day you need it.






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            In some countries, AML (Advanced Mobile Location) will automatically send your location to the emergency services when you call them.



            However:




            • This currently only works in 15 countries

            • This may not work with all phones

            • This may not work using all emergency services numbers

            • It may not work if you are roaming


            One can refer to the EENA (European Emergency Number Association) latest report for details.



            Otherwise:





            • If you have Google Maps on your phone (standard on all Android phones AFAIK, easy download on iOS phones):




              • Open Google Maps

              • Wait a few seconds for it to find your location (the light blue circle is as small as possible around the blue dot, or even disappears completely)

              • Do a long press on your location

              • Swipe up the card at the bottom

              • Read the "Plus code" next to the sign.

              • Anyone can then type this into Google to find the exact location

              • Alternatively, you can read out the coordinates just above, though it's a long series of digits, and may be more difficult to read out than the short Plus code.




            • On iOS




              • Open the Compass app (stock app)

              • Wait a few seconds for it to find your location

              • Read out the latitude and longitude

              • You can also share you location via message, e-mail, or any of the messaging apps on your phone.



            • In some places, emergency services recommend the use of the What 3 Words app. This will give a code made of 3 words identifying your position.



            Do NOT wait for an emergency. Make sure you have at least one of those 3 apps, and learn out to find your own location NOW, so you are prepared for the day you need it.






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            In some countries, AML (Advanced Mobile Location) will automatically send your location to the emergency services when you call them.



            However:




            • This currently only works in 15 countries

            • This may not work with all phones

            • This may not work using all emergency services numbers

            • It may not work if you are roaming


            One can refer to the EENA (European Emergency Number Association) latest report for details.



            Otherwise:





            • If you have Google Maps on your phone (standard on all Android phones AFAIK, easy download on iOS phones):




              • Open Google Maps

              • Wait a few seconds for it to find your location (the light blue circle is as small as possible around the blue dot, or even disappears completely)

              • Do a long press on your location

              • Swipe up the card at the bottom

              • Read the "Plus code" next to the sign.

              • Anyone can then type this into Google to find the exact location

              • Alternatively, you can read out the coordinates just above, though it's a long series of digits, and may be more difficult to read out than the short Plus code.




            • On iOS




              • Open the Compass app (stock app)

              • Wait a few seconds for it to find your location

              • Read out the latitude and longitude

              • You can also share you location via message, e-mail, or any of the messaging apps on your phone.



            • In some places, emergency services recommend the use of the What 3 Words app. This will give a code made of 3 words identifying your position.



            Do NOT wait for an emergency. Make sure you have at least one of those 3 apps, and learn out to find your own location NOW, so you are prepared for the day you need it.






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            In some countries, AML (Advanced Mobile Location) will automatically send your location to the emergency services when you call them.



            However:




            • This currently only works in 15 countries

            • This may not work with all phones

            • This may not work using all emergency services numbers

            • It may not work if you are roaming


            One can refer to the EENA (European Emergency Number Association) latest report for details.



            Otherwise:





            • If you have Google Maps on your phone (standard on all Android phones AFAIK, easy download on iOS phones):




              • Open Google Maps

              • Wait a few seconds for it to find your location (the light blue circle is as small as possible around the blue dot, or even disappears completely)

              • Do a long press on your location

              • Swipe up the card at the bottom

              • Read the "Plus code" next to the sign.

              • Anyone can then type this into Google to find the exact location

              • Alternatively, you can read out the coordinates just above, though it's a long series of digits, and may be more difficult to read out than the short Plus code.




            • On iOS




              • Open the Compass app (stock app)

              • Wait a few seconds for it to find your location

              • Read out the latitude and longitude

              • You can also share you location via message, e-mail, or any of the messaging apps on your phone.



            • In some places, emergency services recommend the use of the What 3 Words app. This will give a code made of 3 words identifying your position.



            Do NOT wait for an emergency. Make sure you have at least one of those 3 apps, and learn out to find your own location NOW, so you are prepared for the day you need it.







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            I'm amazed that the answers here are all reliant on technology. This is a problem that existed long before the advent of phones, GPS and satellite communications. The real answer is that you must be personally responsible and do a bit of planning and preparation. Here is what they teach children about trekking/hiking in the UK and I assume most of the rest of Europe.




            1. Plan your route in advance, including backup/escape routes

            2. Let someone know your plans; your route and when you expect to finish*

            3. Carry a map and compass and know how to use them

            4. Carry emergency equipment in case you need it; whistle, torch, survival bag, first aid kit, spare food and water, warm clothes

            5. Keep up to date with weather and conditions and be prepared to turn back


            Every outdoor/expedition advice or guidance will tell you not to rely on a mobile phone. Locator beacons are more reliable in terms of signal but have their downsides in that they are expensive and you need to register them (and maintain your registration). If you activate a PLB in the Alps simply because you are lost the authorities will charge you for the rescue, which will be thousands of Euro and will not be covered by your insurance. The false alarm rate is also astonishingly high, so there are questions over how these would be prioritised by SAR. There are a few instances of PLB triggered rescues in the UK, but not many.



            Of course the reality is that mobile phones can prove to be, in many cases, an amazing tool for alerting the authorities to an emergency. Simon did manage to make a call but he couldn't tell them where he was. If he knew his location (map & compass) he would have been able to get rescuers near enough so that they could hear his whistle blowing.



            All rescue teams publish regular reports which include details of callouts and rescues. They are very interesting reading and can give great insight into the how SAR works, what mistakes are often made and how to avoid them. I would advise anyone interested in the outdoors to read them.



            Edit: If you have a map and compass (and know how to use them) you can quickly and easily find your position when lost and disoriented. This is just basic navigation skills - look around you for features you can identify on the map and use the compass to find their bearing. Track this back to the map and bingo you have a decent idea of your position. If you have a sighting compass and good skills you can find your position as accurately as GPS. The map and compass isn't just for planning!



            * In my experience most outdoor focused accommodation will expect you to tell them this when you book. This is certainly true of YHA in the UK and alpine refuges.






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              To point 4, I would add a bright headlight. Not only so you can use it in blinking mode in emergencies, but also to help avert disaster if you simply get lost and it becomes dark. And what is YHA? Youth Hostel Association?

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              Most of this is not answering the question. The question wants to know how to find and share a position "when I am lost or disoriented". Things like planning your route and carrying a map will help you avoid getting lost, but OP wants to know what to do when he is lost (in spite of whatever could have helped him avoid it). That is perhaps why you are surprised that the other answers are relying on technology. Your answer contains lots of good advice, but most of it is off-topic.

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              @JBentley - the map and compass allows you to find your position when lost - that's half its purpose

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            • @PatriciaShanahan a wind up torch is a last resort - they tend to be fairly low power and not suitable for navigation at night. Spare batteries are advised instead.

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            28















            I'm amazed that the answers here are all reliant on technology. This is a problem that existed long before the advent of phones, GPS and satellite communications. The real answer is that you must be personally responsible and do a bit of planning and preparation. Here is what they teach children about trekking/hiking in the UK and I assume most of the rest of Europe.




            1. Plan your route in advance, including backup/escape routes

            2. Let someone know your plans; your route and when you expect to finish*

            3. Carry a map and compass and know how to use them

            4. Carry emergency equipment in case you need it; whistle, torch, survival bag, first aid kit, spare food and water, warm clothes

            5. Keep up to date with weather and conditions and be prepared to turn back


            Every outdoor/expedition advice or guidance will tell you not to rely on a mobile phone. Locator beacons are more reliable in terms of signal but have their downsides in that they are expensive and you need to register them (and maintain your registration). If you activate a PLB in the Alps simply because you are lost the authorities will charge you for the rescue, which will be thousands of Euro and will not be covered by your insurance. The false alarm rate is also astonishingly high, so there are questions over how these would be prioritised by SAR. There are a few instances of PLB triggered rescues in the UK, but not many.



            Of course the reality is that mobile phones can prove to be, in many cases, an amazing tool for alerting the authorities to an emergency. Simon did manage to make a call but he couldn't tell them where he was. If he knew his location (map & compass) he would have been able to get rescuers near enough so that they could hear his whistle blowing.



            All rescue teams publish regular reports which include details of callouts and rescues. They are very interesting reading and can give great insight into the how SAR works, what mistakes are often made and how to avoid them. I would advise anyone interested in the outdoors to read them.



            Edit: If you have a map and compass (and know how to use them) you can quickly and easily find your position when lost and disoriented. This is just basic navigation skills - look around you for features you can identify on the map and use the compass to find their bearing. Track this back to the map and bingo you have a decent idea of your position. If you have a sighting compass and good skills you can find your position as accurately as GPS. The map and compass isn't just for planning!



            * In my experience most outdoor focused accommodation will expect you to tell them this when you book. This is certainly true of YHA in the UK and alpine refuges.






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              To point 4, I would add a bright headlight. Not only so you can use it in blinking mode in emergencies, but also to help avert disaster if you simply get lost and it becomes dark. And what is YHA? Youth Hostel Association?

              – gerrit
              yesterday













            • I suggest a headlight with a hand crank, so you don't have to worry about conserving batteries.

              – Patricia Shanahan
              yesterday






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              Most of this is not answering the question. The question wants to know how to find and share a position "when I am lost or disoriented". Things like planning your route and carrying a map will help you avoid getting lost, but OP wants to know what to do when he is lost (in spite of whatever could have helped him avoid it). That is perhaps why you are surprised that the other answers are relying on technology. Your answer contains lots of good advice, but most of it is off-topic.

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              @JBentley - the map and compass allows you to find your position when lost - that's half its purpose

              – Qwerky
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            • @PatriciaShanahan a wind up torch is a last resort - they tend to be fairly low power and not suitable for navigation at night. Spare batteries are advised instead.

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            I'm amazed that the answers here are all reliant on technology. This is a problem that existed long before the advent of phones, GPS and satellite communications. The real answer is that you must be personally responsible and do a bit of planning and preparation. Here is what they teach children about trekking/hiking in the UK and I assume most of the rest of Europe.




            1. Plan your route in advance, including backup/escape routes

            2. Let someone know your plans; your route and when you expect to finish*

            3. Carry a map and compass and know how to use them

            4. Carry emergency equipment in case you need it; whistle, torch, survival bag, first aid kit, spare food and water, warm clothes

            5. Keep up to date with weather and conditions and be prepared to turn back


            Every outdoor/expedition advice or guidance will tell you not to rely on a mobile phone. Locator beacons are more reliable in terms of signal but have their downsides in that they are expensive and you need to register them (and maintain your registration). If you activate a PLB in the Alps simply because you are lost the authorities will charge you for the rescue, which will be thousands of Euro and will not be covered by your insurance. The false alarm rate is also astonishingly high, so there are questions over how these would be prioritised by SAR. There are a few instances of PLB triggered rescues in the UK, but not many.



            Of course the reality is that mobile phones can prove to be, in many cases, an amazing tool for alerting the authorities to an emergency. Simon did manage to make a call but he couldn't tell them where he was. If he knew his location (map & compass) he would have been able to get rescuers near enough so that they could hear his whistle blowing.



            All rescue teams publish regular reports which include details of callouts and rescues. They are very interesting reading and can give great insight into the how SAR works, what mistakes are often made and how to avoid them. I would advise anyone interested in the outdoors to read them.



            Edit: If you have a map and compass (and know how to use them) you can quickly and easily find your position when lost and disoriented. This is just basic navigation skills - look around you for features you can identify on the map and use the compass to find their bearing. Track this back to the map and bingo you have a decent idea of your position. If you have a sighting compass and good skills you can find your position as accurately as GPS. The map and compass isn't just for planning!



            * In my experience most outdoor focused accommodation will expect you to tell them this when you book. This is certainly true of YHA in the UK and alpine refuges.






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            I'm amazed that the answers here are all reliant on technology. This is a problem that existed long before the advent of phones, GPS and satellite communications. The real answer is that you must be personally responsible and do a bit of planning and preparation. Here is what they teach children about trekking/hiking in the UK and I assume most of the rest of Europe.




            1. Plan your route in advance, including backup/escape routes

            2. Let someone know your plans; your route and when you expect to finish*

            3. Carry a map and compass and know how to use them

            4. Carry emergency equipment in case you need it; whistle, torch, survival bag, first aid kit, spare food and water, warm clothes

            5. Keep up to date with weather and conditions and be prepared to turn back


            Every outdoor/expedition advice or guidance will tell you not to rely on a mobile phone. Locator beacons are more reliable in terms of signal but have their downsides in that they are expensive and you need to register them (and maintain your registration). If you activate a PLB in the Alps simply because you are lost the authorities will charge you for the rescue, which will be thousands of Euro and will not be covered by your insurance. The false alarm rate is also astonishingly high, so there are questions over how these would be prioritised by SAR. There are a few instances of PLB triggered rescues in the UK, but not many.



            Of course the reality is that mobile phones can prove to be, in many cases, an amazing tool for alerting the authorities to an emergency. Simon did manage to make a call but he couldn't tell them where he was. If he knew his location (map & compass) he would have been able to get rescuers near enough so that they could hear his whistle blowing.



            All rescue teams publish regular reports which include details of callouts and rescues. They are very interesting reading and can give great insight into the how SAR works, what mistakes are often made and how to avoid them. I would advise anyone interested in the outdoors to read them.



            Edit: If you have a map and compass (and know how to use them) you can quickly and easily find your position when lost and disoriented. This is just basic navigation skills - look around you for features you can identify on the map and use the compass to find their bearing. Track this back to the map and bingo you have a decent idea of your position. If you have a sighting compass and good skills you can find your position as accurately as GPS. The map and compass isn't just for planning!



            * In my experience most outdoor focused accommodation will expect you to tell them this when you book. This is certainly true of YHA in the UK and alpine refuges.







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              To point 4, I would add a bright headlight. Not only so you can use it in blinking mode in emergencies, but also to help avert disaster if you simply get lost and it becomes dark. And what is YHA? Youth Hostel Association?

              – gerrit
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            • I suggest a headlight with a hand crank, so you don't have to worry about conserving batteries.

              – Patricia Shanahan
              yesterday






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              Most of this is not answering the question. The question wants to know how to find and share a position "when I am lost or disoriented". Things like planning your route and carrying a map will help you avoid getting lost, but OP wants to know what to do when he is lost (in spite of whatever could have helped him avoid it). That is perhaps why you are surprised that the other answers are relying on technology. Your answer contains lots of good advice, but most of it is off-topic.

              – JBentley
              yesterday








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              @JBentley - the map and compass allows you to find your position when lost - that's half its purpose

              – Qwerky
              20 hours ago











            • @PatriciaShanahan a wind up torch is a last resort - they tend to be fairly low power and not suitable for navigation at night. Spare batteries are advised instead.

              – Qwerky
              20 hours ago














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              To point 4, I would add a bright headlight. Not only so you can use it in blinking mode in emergencies, but also to help avert disaster if you simply get lost and it becomes dark. And what is YHA? Youth Hostel Association?

              – gerrit
              yesterday













            • I suggest a headlight with a hand crank, so you don't have to worry about conserving batteries.

              – Patricia Shanahan
              yesterday






            • 5





              Most of this is not answering the question. The question wants to know how to find and share a position "when I am lost or disoriented". Things like planning your route and carrying a map will help you avoid getting lost, but OP wants to know what to do when he is lost (in spite of whatever could have helped him avoid it). That is perhaps why you are surprised that the other answers are relying on technology. Your answer contains lots of good advice, but most of it is off-topic.

              – JBentley
              yesterday








            • 2





              @JBentley - the map and compass allows you to find your position when lost - that's half its purpose

              – Qwerky
              20 hours ago











            • @PatriciaShanahan a wind up torch is a last resort - they tend to be fairly low power and not suitable for navigation at night. Spare batteries are advised instead.

              – Qwerky
              20 hours ago








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            To point 4, I would add a bright headlight. Not only so you can use it in blinking mode in emergencies, but also to help avert disaster if you simply get lost and it becomes dark. And what is YHA? Youth Hostel Association?

            – gerrit
            yesterday







            To point 4, I would add a bright headlight. Not only so you can use it in blinking mode in emergencies, but also to help avert disaster if you simply get lost and it becomes dark. And what is YHA? Youth Hostel Association?

            – gerrit
            yesterday















            I suggest a headlight with a hand crank, so you don't have to worry about conserving batteries.

            – Patricia Shanahan
            yesterday





            I suggest a headlight with a hand crank, so you don't have to worry about conserving batteries.

            – Patricia Shanahan
            yesterday




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            Most of this is not answering the question. The question wants to know how to find and share a position "when I am lost or disoriented". Things like planning your route and carrying a map will help you avoid getting lost, but OP wants to know what to do when he is lost (in spite of whatever could have helped him avoid it). That is perhaps why you are surprised that the other answers are relying on technology. Your answer contains lots of good advice, but most of it is off-topic.

            – JBentley
            yesterday







            Most of this is not answering the question. The question wants to know how to find and share a position "when I am lost or disoriented". Things like planning your route and carrying a map will help you avoid getting lost, but OP wants to know what to do when he is lost (in spite of whatever could have helped him avoid it). That is perhaps why you are surprised that the other answers are relying on technology. Your answer contains lots of good advice, but most of it is off-topic.

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            yesterday






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            @JBentley - the map and compass allows you to find your position when lost - that's half its purpose

            – Qwerky
            20 hours ago





            @JBentley - the map and compass allows you to find your position when lost - that's half its purpose

            – Qwerky
            20 hours ago













            @PatriciaShanahan a wind up torch is a last resort - they tend to be fairly low power and not suitable for navigation at night. Spare batteries are advised instead.

            – Qwerky
            20 hours ago





            @PatriciaShanahan a wind up torch is a last resort - they tend to be fairly low power and not suitable for navigation at night. Spare batteries are advised instead.

            – Qwerky
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            There's a really neat app I just discovered called what3words. It encodes your location (precise to 3x3 meters) as three words in the English language. The statue of liberty is encoded as toned.melt.ship.



            If you were to call emergency services, the idea would be that it's far easier to give them three words that correspond to your exact location than to somehow pass them GPS coordinates.



            (Obviously, you'll need a GPS connection for the app to find your location on your phone.)






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              What 3 Words is a great app. An additional note that it's not just in English - it covers the globe in multiple languages, so you could give them three words in German, Italian, etc. and you can still be located. I try to promote W3W whenever I'm in areas that have limited address information as it can be a great way to find specific locations, and 3 words are easy to remember as a pseudo address

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              2 days ago








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              As @Midavalo says, this isn’t just English, it’s many languages. You can edit your answer to improve it. Also this is officially used and recognised by many emergency services in the UK.

              – Notts90
              2 days ago






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              Please do not use What3Words as it is not an open standard. Go for Plus codes, which are also supported in Google Maps.

              – Diti
              yesterday






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              What3Words is recommended by a number of police forces in the UK bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-49319760

              – Jontia
              yesterday






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              @Jontia the people in that news story were idiots. They got lost and chose to call 999 to get instructions about how to download and use a proprietary geolocation app. They should have been fined for wasting valuable time of emergency service personnel.

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            There's a really neat app I just discovered called what3words. It encodes your location (precise to 3x3 meters) as three words in the English language. The statue of liberty is encoded as toned.melt.ship.



            If you were to call emergency services, the idea would be that it's far easier to give them three words that correspond to your exact location than to somehow pass them GPS coordinates.



            (Obviously, you'll need a GPS connection for the app to find your location on your phone.)






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              What 3 Words is a great app. An additional note that it's not just in English - it covers the globe in multiple languages, so you could give them three words in German, Italian, etc. and you can still be located. I try to promote W3W whenever I'm in areas that have limited address information as it can be a great way to find specific locations, and 3 words are easy to remember as a pseudo address

              – Midavalo
              2 days ago








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              As @Midavalo says, this isn’t just English, it’s many languages. You can edit your answer to improve it. Also this is officially used and recognised by many emergency services in the UK.

              – Notts90
              2 days ago






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              Please do not use What3Words as it is not an open standard. Go for Plus codes, which are also supported in Google Maps.

              – Diti
              yesterday






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              What3Words is recommended by a number of police forces in the UK bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-49319760

              – Jontia
              yesterday






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              @Jontia the people in that news story were idiots. They got lost and chose to call 999 to get instructions about how to download and use a proprietary geolocation app. They should have been fined for wasting valuable time of emergency service personnel.

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            There's a really neat app I just discovered called what3words. It encodes your location (precise to 3x3 meters) as three words in the English language. The statue of liberty is encoded as toned.melt.ship.



            If you were to call emergency services, the idea would be that it's far easier to give them three words that correspond to your exact location than to somehow pass them GPS coordinates.



            (Obviously, you'll need a GPS connection for the app to find your location on your phone.)






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            There's a really neat app I just discovered called what3words. It encodes your location (precise to 3x3 meters) as three words in the English language. The statue of liberty is encoded as toned.melt.ship.



            If you were to call emergency services, the idea would be that it's far easier to give them three words that correspond to your exact location than to somehow pass them GPS coordinates.



            (Obviously, you'll need a GPS connection for the app to find your location on your phone.)







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            • 5





              What 3 Words is a great app. An additional note that it's not just in English - it covers the globe in multiple languages, so you could give them three words in German, Italian, etc. and you can still be located. I try to promote W3W whenever I'm in areas that have limited address information as it can be a great way to find specific locations, and 3 words are easy to remember as a pseudo address

              – Midavalo
              2 days ago








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              As @Midavalo says, this isn’t just English, it’s many languages. You can edit your answer to improve it. Also this is officially used and recognised by many emergency services in the UK.

              – Notts90
              2 days ago






            • 19





              Please do not use What3Words as it is not an open standard. Go for Plus codes, which are also supported in Google Maps.

              – Diti
              yesterday






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              What3Words is recommended by a number of police forces in the UK bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-49319760

              – Jontia
              yesterday






            • 4





              @Jontia the people in that news story were idiots. They got lost and chose to call 999 to get instructions about how to download and use a proprietary geolocation app. They should have been fined for wasting valuable time of emergency service personnel.

              – Aaron F
              yesterday














            • 5





              What 3 Words is a great app. An additional note that it's not just in English - it covers the globe in multiple languages, so you could give them three words in German, Italian, etc. and you can still be located. I try to promote W3W whenever I'm in areas that have limited address information as it can be a great way to find specific locations, and 3 words are easy to remember as a pseudo address

              – Midavalo
              2 days ago








            • 2





              As @Midavalo says, this isn’t just English, it’s many languages. You can edit your answer to improve it. Also this is officially used and recognised by many emergency services in the UK.

              – Notts90
              2 days ago






            • 19





              Please do not use What3Words as it is not an open standard. Go for Plus codes, which are also supported in Google Maps.

              – Diti
              yesterday






            • 4





              What3Words is recommended by a number of police forces in the UK bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-49319760

              – Jontia
              yesterday






            • 4





              @Jontia the people in that news story were idiots. They got lost and chose to call 999 to get instructions about how to download and use a proprietary geolocation app. They should have been fined for wasting valuable time of emergency service personnel.

              – Aaron F
              yesterday








            5




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            What 3 Words is a great app. An additional note that it's not just in English - it covers the globe in multiple languages, so you could give them three words in German, Italian, etc. and you can still be located. I try to promote W3W whenever I'm in areas that have limited address information as it can be a great way to find specific locations, and 3 words are easy to remember as a pseudo address

            – Midavalo
            2 days ago







            What 3 Words is a great app. An additional note that it's not just in English - it covers the globe in multiple languages, so you could give them three words in German, Italian, etc. and you can still be located. I try to promote W3W whenever I'm in areas that have limited address information as it can be a great way to find specific locations, and 3 words are easy to remember as a pseudo address

            – Midavalo
            2 days ago






            2




            2





            As @Midavalo says, this isn’t just English, it’s many languages. You can edit your answer to improve it. Also this is officially used and recognised by many emergency services in the UK.

            – Notts90
            2 days ago





            As @Midavalo says, this isn’t just English, it’s many languages. You can edit your answer to improve it. Also this is officially used and recognised by many emergency services in the UK.

            – Notts90
            2 days ago




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            Please do not use What3Words as it is not an open standard. Go for Plus codes, which are also supported in Google Maps.

            – Diti
            yesterday





            Please do not use What3Words as it is not an open standard. Go for Plus codes, which are also supported in Google Maps.

            – Diti
            yesterday




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            What3Words is recommended by a number of police forces in the UK bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-49319760

            – Jontia
            yesterday





            What3Words is recommended by a number of police forces in the UK bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-49319760

            – Jontia
            yesterday




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            4





            @Jontia the people in that news story were idiots. They got lost and chose to call 999 to get instructions about how to download and use a proprietary geolocation app. They should have been fined for wasting valuable time of emergency service personnel.

            – Aaron F
            yesterday





            @Jontia the people in that news story were idiots. They got lost and chose to call 999 to get instructions about how to download and use a proprietary geolocation app. They should have been fined for wasting valuable time of emergency service personnel.

            – Aaron F
            yesterday











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            If you've got a data signal and smartphone, in some countries the emergency services can send you a text (SMS) containing a link. You click the link, give the browser permission to send your location, and they know where you are. This worked well for me when I crashed my bike in Ireland and had to call an ambulance for myself (in the middle of nowhere, late at night). I knew where I was but the remote road name wasn't on their map.



            I have an app installed (GPS status & Toolbox) that gives me my location whenever my GPS is locked on, but it was set to (GB) OS grid reference so no use in Ireland. If you're reasonably confident of a GPS signal this or a similar app is good to have (it's also useful if you're using your phone as a pure GPS combined with paper mapping). This doesn't need data so works if you've got a really weak mobile signal.



            You can also use various services to share your location with your friends at all times (Google maps allows this, but there are better services sharing your track as well, such as Locatoweb). This will mean that if you lose signal and fail to return or contact anyone, your friends will have your recent position when they call for help.* In mountainous terrain you often get a bit of signal at odd times. The downside is heavy battery use, as you need both GPS and mobile data running.



            * Assuming you've let someone know where you're going and when you plan to get back, as is good practice when going into the wilderness.






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            • This will mean that if you lose signal and fail to check in, your friends will have your recent position when they call for help., that sounds positively disastrous. As soon as my battery is dead (which will be quick with such an app) or I am out of coverage or data roaming (which likely applies to the majority of the world), my friends will think I'm in an emergency?

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              @gerrit, my wording was perhaps more suited to outdoors.se: it's a long established practice to leave details of where you're going and when you're expected back, then to check in when you do get back. In that context failing to check in is equivalent to failing to return. I now realise Facebook et al apply the term in a way that changes the meaning of my answer - I'll be more specific

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            If you've got a data signal and smartphone, in some countries the emergency services can send you a text (SMS) containing a link. You click the link, give the browser permission to send your location, and they know where you are. This worked well for me when I crashed my bike in Ireland and had to call an ambulance for myself (in the middle of nowhere, late at night). I knew where I was but the remote road name wasn't on their map.



            I have an app installed (GPS status & Toolbox) that gives me my location whenever my GPS is locked on, but it was set to (GB) OS grid reference so no use in Ireland. If you're reasonably confident of a GPS signal this or a similar app is good to have (it's also useful if you're using your phone as a pure GPS combined with paper mapping). This doesn't need data so works if you've got a really weak mobile signal.



            You can also use various services to share your location with your friends at all times (Google maps allows this, but there are better services sharing your track as well, such as Locatoweb). This will mean that if you lose signal and fail to return or contact anyone, your friends will have your recent position when they call for help.* In mountainous terrain you often get a bit of signal at odd times. The downside is heavy battery use, as you need both GPS and mobile data running.



            * Assuming you've let someone know where you're going and when you plan to get back, as is good practice when going into the wilderness.






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            • This will mean that if you lose signal and fail to check in, your friends will have your recent position when they call for help., that sounds positively disastrous. As soon as my battery is dead (which will be quick with such an app) or I am out of coverage or data roaming (which likely applies to the majority of the world), my friends will think I'm in an emergency?

              – gerrit
              yesterday






            • 2





              @gerrit, my wording was perhaps more suited to outdoors.se: it's a long established practice to leave details of where you're going and when you're expected back, then to check in when you do get back. In that context failing to check in is equivalent to failing to return. I now realise Facebook et al apply the term in a way that changes the meaning of my answer - I'll be more specific

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            If you've got a data signal and smartphone, in some countries the emergency services can send you a text (SMS) containing a link. You click the link, give the browser permission to send your location, and they know where you are. This worked well for me when I crashed my bike in Ireland and had to call an ambulance for myself (in the middle of nowhere, late at night). I knew where I was but the remote road name wasn't on their map.



            I have an app installed (GPS status & Toolbox) that gives me my location whenever my GPS is locked on, but it was set to (GB) OS grid reference so no use in Ireland. If you're reasonably confident of a GPS signal this or a similar app is good to have (it's also useful if you're using your phone as a pure GPS combined with paper mapping). This doesn't need data so works if you've got a really weak mobile signal.



            You can also use various services to share your location with your friends at all times (Google maps allows this, but there are better services sharing your track as well, such as Locatoweb). This will mean that if you lose signal and fail to return or contact anyone, your friends will have your recent position when they call for help.* In mountainous terrain you often get a bit of signal at odd times. The downside is heavy battery use, as you need both GPS and mobile data running.



            * Assuming you've let someone know where you're going and when you plan to get back, as is good practice when going into the wilderness.






            share|improve this answer















            If you've got a data signal and smartphone, in some countries the emergency services can send you a text (SMS) containing a link. You click the link, give the browser permission to send your location, and they know where you are. This worked well for me when I crashed my bike in Ireland and had to call an ambulance for myself (in the middle of nowhere, late at night). I knew where I was but the remote road name wasn't on their map.



            I have an app installed (GPS status & Toolbox) that gives me my location whenever my GPS is locked on, but it was set to (GB) OS grid reference so no use in Ireland. If you're reasonably confident of a GPS signal this or a similar app is good to have (it's also useful if you're using your phone as a pure GPS combined with paper mapping). This doesn't need data so works if you've got a really weak mobile signal.



            You can also use various services to share your location with your friends at all times (Google maps allows this, but there are better services sharing your track as well, such as Locatoweb). This will mean that if you lose signal and fail to return or contact anyone, your friends will have your recent position when they call for help.* In mountainous terrain you often get a bit of signal at odd times. The downside is heavy battery use, as you need both GPS and mobile data running.



            * Assuming you've let someone know where you're going and when you plan to get back, as is good practice when going into the wilderness.







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            • This will mean that if you lose signal and fail to check in, your friends will have your recent position when they call for help., that sounds positively disastrous. As soon as my battery is dead (which will be quick with such an app) or I am out of coverage or data roaming (which likely applies to the majority of the world), my friends will think I'm in an emergency?

              – gerrit
              yesterday






            • 2





              @gerrit, my wording was perhaps more suited to outdoors.se: it's a long established practice to leave details of where you're going and when you're expected back, then to check in when you do get back. In that context failing to check in is equivalent to failing to return. I now realise Facebook et al apply the term in a way that changes the meaning of my answer - I'll be more specific

              – Chris H
              yesterday



















            • This will mean that if you lose signal and fail to check in, your friends will have your recent position when they call for help., that sounds positively disastrous. As soon as my battery is dead (which will be quick with such an app) or I am out of coverage or data roaming (which likely applies to the majority of the world), my friends will think I'm in an emergency?

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              yesterday






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              @gerrit, my wording was perhaps more suited to outdoors.se: it's a long established practice to leave details of where you're going and when you're expected back, then to check in when you do get back. In that context failing to check in is equivalent to failing to return. I now realise Facebook et al apply the term in a way that changes the meaning of my answer - I'll be more specific

              – Chris H
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            This will mean that if you lose signal and fail to check in, your friends will have your recent position when they call for help., that sounds positively disastrous. As soon as my battery is dead (which will be quick with such an app) or I am out of coverage or data roaming (which likely applies to the majority of the world), my friends will think I'm in an emergency?

            – gerrit
            yesterday





            This will mean that if you lose signal and fail to check in, your friends will have your recent position when they call for help., that sounds positively disastrous. As soon as my battery is dead (which will be quick with such an app) or I am out of coverage or data roaming (which likely applies to the majority of the world), my friends will think I'm in an emergency?

            – gerrit
            yesterday




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            @gerrit, my wording was perhaps more suited to outdoors.se: it's a long established practice to leave details of where you're going and when you're expected back, then to check in when you do get back. In that context failing to check in is equivalent to failing to return. I now realise Facebook et al apply the term in a way that changes the meaning of my answer - I'll be more specific

            – Chris H
            yesterday





            @gerrit, my wording was perhaps more suited to outdoors.se: it's a long established practice to leave details of where you're going and when you're expected back, then to check in when you do get back. In that context failing to check in is equivalent to failing to return. I now realise Facebook et al apply the term in a way that changes the meaning of my answer - I'll be more specific

            – Chris H
            yesterday











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            Jack of all trades vs master of one, and terrain



            Emergency Locator Transmitters are marvelous things, but the infrastructure to support a truly excellent one is fantastically expensive. As such, the world actually got together on something, and built one system called the 406 MHz ELT. Everyone uses it - ships at sea, jetliners, and hikers willing to throw down the ~$350 for a transmitter able to share the playfield with 747's. There's a jointly run NOC that knows how to reach all the world's emergency responders, from the Eritrean Coast Guard to CalFire. This system was conceived in the 1980s, so it doesn't think about mundane uses like tweeting, and in fact is not 2-way.



            The 406 system has one job and one use. It has a long life, one-shot battery, so it doesn't need to be occasionallly charged like a normal electronic device.



            There is a private effort called SPoT, which is less optimized to be an ELT and more optimized to be a social media toy. It uses the Iridium sat phone network, which is intended for satellite phones not emergency locators. As such, Spot's coverage is poorer than the dedicated 406 MHz ELT network. By "poorer" I mean ability to function in valleys and canyons, and also ability to communicate with more obscure emergency services.



            However, because SPoT is rooted in newer 2-way system, it has some bells and whistles the 406 MHz system does not have. It hourly logs your location, creating a "breadcrumb" log of your route (when able to communicate) or when commanded by the user. And of course, it has its primary function of 2-way messaging, which you can do anytime you have signal.



            SPoT is also a pay service, which means you must have it paid up, and it has an ordinary rechargeable battery that must be recharged every few months at least. You can,t just stick it in your glove box for a rainy day.



            This equipment can also be rented. Emergency responders call the owner, who states who they rented it to. (Of course that's a link in the chain!)



            This is a corner case, though



            Because he was in a crevasse, he's more likely to get signal from a 406 MHz ELT than a SPoT, but realistically there's a fair chance he wouldn't get signal for either one of them. In that case, each of them would contribute something different.




            • SPoT would contribute the "breadcrumb" locations from the hours before, which would get them within a couple kilometers. That's if authorities could associate his 911 call with his SPoT account - and that's a big if!

            • the 406 MHz ELT has a second trick: it transmits a tone on the 121.5 MHz emergency frequency, which is an older, pre-satellite emergency location system designed to direct terrestrial rescue efforts. It is used and monitored (not least by passing airliners) and emergency services are well-practiced at triangulating on signals from it. Ideally, 406 gets them in the neighborhood and 121 brings them home. There's also a chance his tone would be heard organically, even with a 406 failure due to terrain. If he had specifically said on the cell phone that he'd activated an ELT, they surely would have sent a plane up and down the coast to listen. They would have triangulated quickly, between the tone and the verbal description "I can see the ocean".


            Again, this is a corner case. On an average activation, especially assuming terrain is involved, the 406 is better than the SPoT, and certainly works more places in the world (because the 406 NOC is better equipped to reach relevant authorities).



            I am also concerned with cases like James Kim. SPoT requires you keep a subscription paid up and a typical smart-device battery recharged. If either of those is let to slide, SPoT is worthless. A 406 can be thrown under the car seat with the flares and poncho, and forgotten about for several years.






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            • Note, you can rent PLBs too.

              – gerrit
              yesterday






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              @Harper They'll call the owning rental company which will have the details of the tenant/renter — at least that's what I was told when I rented them (which I haven't done recently; I rent a satellite phone nowadays).

              – gerrit
              yesterday













            • @gerrit okay...

              – Harper
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              The aviation guard frequency is 121.5 MHz. I can't find anything that specifically mentioned 121.75 MHz as an emergency frequency of any sort

              – Phil Miller
              yesterday











            • There's a separate aviation air-to-air frequency for general use on 122.75, but that's clearly not relevant here. I really think 121.5 is the intended frequency here.

              – Phil Miller
              yesterday
















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            Jack of all trades vs master of one, and terrain



            Emergency Locator Transmitters are marvelous things, but the infrastructure to support a truly excellent one is fantastically expensive. As such, the world actually got together on something, and built one system called the 406 MHz ELT. Everyone uses it - ships at sea, jetliners, and hikers willing to throw down the ~$350 for a transmitter able to share the playfield with 747's. There's a jointly run NOC that knows how to reach all the world's emergency responders, from the Eritrean Coast Guard to CalFire. This system was conceived in the 1980s, so it doesn't think about mundane uses like tweeting, and in fact is not 2-way.



            The 406 system has one job and one use. It has a long life, one-shot battery, so it doesn't need to be occasionallly charged like a normal electronic device.



            There is a private effort called SPoT, which is less optimized to be an ELT and more optimized to be a social media toy. It uses the Iridium sat phone network, which is intended for satellite phones not emergency locators. As such, Spot's coverage is poorer than the dedicated 406 MHz ELT network. By "poorer" I mean ability to function in valleys and canyons, and also ability to communicate with more obscure emergency services.



            However, because SPoT is rooted in newer 2-way system, it has some bells and whistles the 406 MHz system does not have. It hourly logs your location, creating a "breadcrumb" log of your route (when able to communicate) or when commanded by the user. And of course, it has its primary function of 2-way messaging, which you can do anytime you have signal.



            SPoT is also a pay service, which means you must have it paid up, and it has an ordinary rechargeable battery that must be recharged every few months at least. You can,t just stick it in your glove box for a rainy day.



            This equipment can also be rented. Emergency responders call the owner, who states who they rented it to. (Of course that's a link in the chain!)



            This is a corner case, though



            Because he was in a crevasse, he's more likely to get signal from a 406 MHz ELT than a SPoT, but realistically there's a fair chance he wouldn't get signal for either one of them. In that case, each of them would contribute something different.




            • SPoT would contribute the "breadcrumb" locations from the hours before, which would get them within a couple kilometers. That's if authorities could associate his 911 call with his SPoT account - and that's a big if!

            • the 406 MHz ELT has a second trick: it transmits a tone on the 121.5 MHz emergency frequency, which is an older, pre-satellite emergency location system designed to direct terrestrial rescue efforts. It is used and monitored (not least by passing airliners) and emergency services are well-practiced at triangulating on signals from it. Ideally, 406 gets them in the neighborhood and 121 brings them home. There's also a chance his tone would be heard organically, even with a 406 failure due to terrain. If he had specifically said on the cell phone that he'd activated an ELT, they surely would have sent a plane up and down the coast to listen. They would have triangulated quickly, between the tone and the verbal description "I can see the ocean".


            Again, this is a corner case. On an average activation, especially assuming terrain is involved, the 406 is better than the SPoT, and certainly works more places in the world (because the 406 NOC is better equipped to reach relevant authorities).



            I am also concerned with cases like James Kim. SPoT requires you keep a subscription paid up and a typical smart-device battery recharged. If either of those is let to slide, SPoT is worthless. A 406 can be thrown under the car seat with the flares and poncho, and forgotten about for several years.






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            • Note, you can rent PLBs too.

              – gerrit
              yesterday






            • 1





              @Harper They'll call the owning rental company which will have the details of the tenant/renter — at least that's what I was told when I rented them (which I haven't done recently; I rent a satellite phone nowadays).

              – gerrit
              yesterday













            • @gerrit okay...

              – Harper
              yesterday






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              The aviation guard frequency is 121.5 MHz. I can't find anything that specifically mentioned 121.75 MHz as an emergency frequency of any sort

              – Phil Miller
              yesterday











            • There's a separate aviation air-to-air frequency for general use on 122.75, but that's clearly not relevant here. I really think 121.5 is the intended frequency here.

              – Phil Miller
              yesterday














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            Jack of all trades vs master of one, and terrain



            Emergency Locator Transmitters are marvelous things, but the infrastructure to support a truly excellent one is fantastically expensive. As such, the world actually got together on something, and built one system called the 406 MHz ELT. Everyone uses it - ships at sea, jetliners, and hikers willing to throw down the ~$350 for a transmitter able to share the playfield with 747's. There's a jointly run NOC that knows how to reach all the world's emergency responders, from the Eritrean Coast Guard to CalFire. This system was conceived in the 1980s, so it doesn't think about mundane uses like tweeting, and in fact is not 2-way.



            The 406 system has one job and one use. It has a long life, one-shot battery, so it doesn't need to be occasionallly charged like a normal electronic device.



            There is a private effort called SPoT, which is less optimized to be an ELT and more optimized to be a social media toy. It uses the Iridium sat phone network, which is intended for satellite phones not emergency locators. As such, Spot's coverage is poorer than the dedicated 406 MHz ELT network. By "poorer" I mean ability to function in valleys and canyons, and also ability to communicate with more obscure emergency services.



            However, because SPoT is rooted in newer 2-way system, it has some bells and whistles the 406 MHz system does not have. It hourly logs your location, creating a "breadcrumb" log of your route (when able to communicate) or when commanded by the user. And of course, it has its primary function of 2-way messaging, which you can do anytime you have signal.



            SPoT is also a pay service, which means you must have it paid up, and it has an ordinary rechargeable battery that must be recharged every few months at least. You can,t just stick it in your glove box for a rainy day.



            This equipment can also be rented. Emergency responders call the owner, who states who they rented it to. (Of course that's a link in the chain!)



            This is a corner case, though



            Because he was in a crevasse, he's more likely to get signal from a 406 MHz ELT than a SPoT, but realistically there's a fair chance he wouldn't get signal for either one of them. In that case, each of them would contribute something different.




            • SPoT would contribute the "breadcrumb" locations from the hours before, which would get them within a couple kilometers. That's if authorities could associate his 911 call with his SPoT account - and that's a big if!

            • the 406 MHz ELT has a second trick: it transmits a tone on the 121.5 MHz emergency frequency, which is an older, pre-satellite emergency location system designed to direct terrestrial rescue efforts. It is used and monitored (not least by passing airliners) and emergency services are well-practiced at triangulating on signals from it. Ideally, 406 gets them in the neighborhood and 121 brings them home. There's also a chance his tone would be heard organically, even with a 406 failure due to terrain. If he had specifically said on the cell phone that he'd activated an ELT, they surely would have sent a plane up and down the coast to listen. They would have triangulated quickly, between the tone and the verbal description "I can see the ocean".


            Again, this is a corner case. On an average activation, especially assuming terrain is involved, the 406 is better than the SPoT, and certainly works more places in the world (because the 406 NOC is better equipped to reach relevant authorities).



            I am also concerned with cases like James Kim. SPoT requires you keep a subscription paid up and a typical smart-device battery recharged. If either of those is let to slide, SPoT is worthless. A 406 can be thrown under the car seat with the flares and poncho, and forgotten about for several years.






            share|improve this answer















            Jack of all trades vs master of one, and terrain



            Emergency Locator Transmitters are marvelous things, but the infrastructure to support a truly excellent one is fantastically expensive. As such, the world actually got together on something, and built one system called the 406 MHz ELT. Everyone uses it - ships at sea, jetliners, and hikers willing to throw down the ~$350 for a transmitter able to share the playfield with 747's. There's a jointly run NOC that knows how to reach all the world's emergency responders, from the Eritrean Coast Guard to CalFire. This system was conceived in the 1980s, so it doesn't think about mundane uses like tweeting, and in fact is not 2-way.



            The 406 system has one job and one use. It has a long life, one-shot battery, so it doesn't need to be occasionallly charged like a normal electronic device.



            There is a private effort called SPoT, which is less optimized to be an ELT and more optimized to be a social media toy. It uses the Iridium sat phone network, which is intended for satellite phones not emergency locators. As such, Spot's coverage is poorer than the dedicated 406 MHz ELT network. By "poorer" I mean ability to function in valleys and canyons, and also ability to communicate with more obscure emergency services.



            However, because SPoT is rooted in newer 2-way system, it has some bells and whistles the 406 MHz system does not have. It hourly logs your location, creating a "breadcrumb" log of your route (when able to communicate) or when commanded by the user. And of course, it has its primary function of 2-way messaging, which you can do anytime you have signal.



            SPoT is also a pay service, which means you must have it paid up, and it has an ordinary rechargeable battery that must be recharged every few months at least. You can,t just stick it in your glove box for a rainy day.



            This equipment can also be rented. Emergency responders call the owner, who states who they rented it to. (Of course that's a link in the chain!)



            This is a corner case, though



            Because he was in a crevasse, he's more likely to get signal from a 406 MHz ELT than a SPoT, but realistically there's a fair chance he wouldn't get signal for either one of them. In that case, each of them would contribute something different.




            • SPoT would contribute the "breadcrumb" locations from the hours before, which would get them within a couple kilometers. That's if authorities could associate his 911 call with his SPoT account - and that's a big if!

            • the 406 MHz ELT has a second trick: it transmits a tone on the 121.5 MHz emergency frequency, which is an older, pre-satellite emergency location system designed to direct terrestrial rescue efforts. It is used and monitored (not least by passing airliners) and emergency services are well-practiced at triangulating on signals from it. Ideally, 406 gets them in the neighborhood and 121 brings them home. There's also a chance his tone would be heard organically, even with a 406 failure due to terrain. If he had specifically said on the cell phone that he'd activated an ELT, they surely would have sent a plane up and down the coast to listen. They would have triangulated quickly, between the tone and the verbal description "I can see the ocean".


            Again, this is a corner case. On an average activation, especially assuming terrain is involved, the 406 is better than the SPoT, and certainly works more places in the world (because the 406 NOC is better equipped to reach relevant authorities).



            I am also concerned with cases like James Kim. SPoT requires you keep a subscription paid up and a typical smart-device battery recharged. If either of those is let to slide, SPoT is worthless. A 406 can be thrown under the car seat with the flares and poncho, and forgotten about for several years.







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            • Note, you can rent PLBs too.

              – gerrit
              yesterday






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              @Harper They'll call the owning rental company which will have the details of the tenant/renter — at least that's what I was told when I rented them (which I haven't done recently; I rent a satellite phone nowadays).

              – gerrit
              yesterday













            • @gerrit okay...

              – Harper
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              The aviation guard frequency is 121.5 MHz. I can't find anything that specifically mentioned 121.75 MHz as an emergency frequency of any sort

              – Phil Miller
              yesterday











            • There's a separate aviation air-to-air frequency for general use on 122.75, but that's clearly not relevant here. I really think 121.5 is the intended frequency here.

              – Phil Miller
              yesterday



















            • Note, you can rent PLBs too.

              – gerrit
              yesterday






            • 1





              @Harper They'll call the owning rental company which will have the details of the tenant/renter — at least that's what I was told when I rented them (which I haven't done recently; I rent a satellite phone nowadays).

              – gerrit
              yesterday













            • @gerrit okay...

              – Harper
              yesterday






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              The aviation guard frequency is 121.5 MHz. I can't find anything that specifically mentioned 121.75 MHz as an emergency frequency of any sort

              – Phil Miller
              yesterday











            • There's a separate aviation air-to-air frequency for general use on 122.75, but that's clearly not relevant here. I really think 121.5 is the intended frequency here.

              – Phil Miller
              yesterday

















            Note, you can rent PLBs too.

            – gerrit
            yesterday





            Note, you can rent PLBs too.

            – gerrit
            yesterday




            1




            1





            @Harper They'll call the owning rental company which will have the details of the tenant/renter — at least that's what I was told when I rented them (which I haven't done recently; I rent a satellite phone nowadays).

            – gerrit
            yesterday







            @Harper They'll call the owning rental company which will have the details of the tenant/renter — at least that's what I was told when I rented them (which I haven't done recently; I rent a satellite phone nowadays).

            – gerrit
            yesterday















            @gerrit okay...

            – Harper
            yesterday





            @gerrit okay...

            – Harper
            yesterday




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            The aviation guard frequency is 121.5 MHz. I can't find anything that specifically mentioned 121.75 MHz as an emergency frequency of any sort

            – Phil Miller
            yesterday





            The aviation guard frequency is 121.5 MHz. I can't find anything that specifically mentioned 121.75 MHz as an emergency frequency of any sort

            – Phil Miller
            yesterday













            There's a separate aviation air-to-air frequency for general use on 122.75, but that's clearly not relevant here. I really think 121.5 is the intended frequency here.

            – Phil Miller
            yesterday





            There's a separate aviation air-to-air frequency for general use on 122.75, but that's clearly not relevant here. I really think 121.5 is the intended frequency here.

            – Phil Miller
            yesterday











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            One practically free option is to have a strobe light app installed on your mobile phone. Some of those apps support the "SOS" pattern. It doesn't help much during daylight, but after the sunset light beacons are very effective. Even on the bottom of a ravine, there's a good chance that strobe light will be visible to rescue boats / helicopters. Obviously, that works best if you could reach the rescue services and they are looking for you.



            Another cheap (but not free) option is an online GPS tracker. Since it uploads your GPS coordinates regularly, it provides useful data even if fall somewhere with no GPS coverage: the coordinates of where you were before the fall.






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            • Many headlights have such a function, and they're much brighter than any smartphone light.

              – gerrit
              yesterday











            • @gerrit The smartphone has an advantage of always being there.

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              Wouldn't that empty the phone's battery pretty quickly?

              – jcaron
              yesterday











            • @jcaron Yes, there's only so much one can get for free. If there's not much battery to begin with, I'd consider saving it for when I hear a helicopter or any other sounds suggesting I'm being rescued.

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            One practically free option is to have a strobe light app installed on your mobile phone. Some of those apps support the "SOS" pattern. It doesn't help much during daylight, but after the sunset light beacons are very effective. Even on the bottom of a ravine, there's a good chance that strobe light will be visible to rescue boats / helicopters. Obviously, that works best if you could reach the rescue services and they are looking for you.



            Another cheap (but not free) option is an online GPS tracker. Since it uploads your GPS coordinates regularly, it provides useful data even if fall somewhere with no GPS coverage: the coordinates of where you were before the fall.






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            • Many headlights have such a function, and they're much brighter than any smartphone light.

              – gerrit
              yesterday











            • @gerrit The smartphone has an advantage of always being there.

              – Dmitry Grigoryev
              yesterday






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              Wouldn't that empty the phone's battery pretty quickly?

              – jcaron
              yesterday











            • @jcaron Yes, there's only so much one can get for free. If there's not much battery to begin with, I'd consider saving it for when I hear a helicopter or any other sounds suggesting I'm being rescued.

              – Dmitry Grigoryev
              yesterday
















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            One practically free option is to have a strobe light app installed on your mobile phone. Some of those apps support the "SOS" pattern. It doesn't help much during daylight, but after the sunset light beacons are very effective. Even on the bottom of a ravine, there's a good chance that strobe light will be visible to rescue boats / helicopters. Obviously, that works best if you could reach the rescue services and they are looking for you.



            Another cheap (but not free) option is an online GPS tracker. Since it uploads your GPS coordinates regularly, it provides useful data even if fall somewhere with no GPS coverage: the coordinates of where you were before the fall.






            share|improve this answer















            One practically free option is to have a strobe light app installed on your mobile phone. Some of those apps support the "SOS" pattern. It doesn't help much during daylight, but after the sunset light beacons are very effective. Even on the bottom of a ravine, there's a good chance that strobe light will be visible to rescue boats / helicopters. Obviously, that works best if you could reach the rescue services and they are looking for you.



            Another cheap (but not free) option is an online GPS tracker. Since it uploads your GPS coordinates regularly, it provides useful data even if fall somewhere with no GPS coverage: the coordinates of where you were before the fall.







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            • Many headlights have such a function, and they're much brighter than any smartphone light.

              – gerrit
              yesterday











            • @gerrit The smartphone has an advantage of always being there.

              – Dmitry Grigoryev
              yesterday






            • 1





              Wouldn't that empty the phone's battery pretty quickly?

              – jcaron
              yesterday











            • @jcaron Yes, there's only so much one can get for free. If there's not much battery to begin with, I'd consider saving it for when I hear a helicopter or any other sounds suggesting I'm being rescued.

              – Dmitry Grigoryev
              yesterday





















            • Many headlights have such a function, and they're much brighter than any smartphone light.

              – gerrit
              yesterday











            • @gerrit The smartphone has an advantage of always being there.

              – Dmitry Grigoryev
              yesterday






            • 1





              Wouldn't that empty the phone's battery pretty quickly?

              – jcaron
              yesterday











            • @jcaron Yes, there's only so much one can get for free. If there's not much battery to begin with, I'd consider saving it for when I hear a helicopter or any other sounds suggesting I'm being rescued.

              – Dmitry Grigoryev
              yesterday



















            Many headlights have such a function, and they're much brighter than any smartphone light.

            – gerrit
            yesterday





            Many headlights have such a function, and they're much brighter than any smartphone light.

            – gerrit
            yesterday













            @gerrit The smartphone has an advantage of always being there.

            – Dmitry Grigoryev
            yesterday





            @gerrit The smartphone has an advantage of always being there.

            – Dmitry Grigoryev
            yesterday




            1




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            Wouldn't that empty the phone's battery pretty quickly?

            – jcaron
            yesterday





            Wouldn't that empty the phone's battery pretty quickly?

            – jcaron
            yesterday













            @jcaron Yes, there's only so much one can get for free. If there's not much battery to begin with, I'd consider saving it for when I hear a helicopter or any other sounds suggesting I'm being rescued.

            – Dmitry Grigoryev
            yesterday







            @jcaron Yes, there's only so much one can get for free. If there's not much battery to begin with, I'd consider saving it for when I hear a helicopter or any other sounds suggesting I'm being rescued.

            – Dmitry Grigoryev
            yesterday













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            Potentially better than a PLB may be a satellite phone, of course in combination with GPS. Although I'm not sure if coverage is better, with a satellite phone one can talk.



            Only Iridium has global coverage, but you can consider cheaper alternatives if they have coverage where you're going. Forget about regular mobile phones: mobile phones only have coverage where many people live or visit. You might have coverage elsewhere, or you might not. Do not rely on regular mobile phones. Some people even leave their mobile phone switched on when in nature, which of course means it will run out of battery (in particular if using GPS, camera, data, tracking apps) and cannot be suitable as an emergency device.



            The major advantage of a satellite phone is that you can talk. When you're in a crevasse and lucky enough to still have signal, describing the details of your precise location can save your life ("I fell into the long crevasse with the oddly shaped rock near the lower end"). With poor multipath reception GPS location may be easily be 30 metre off (as opposed to 2–3 metre with good reception), and if emergency services have to explore all crevasses in a 30 metre radius, that is not helpful.



            Not knowing where you are can be deadly. Bring a modern handheld GPS device, or be very confident of your navigational skills and constantly follow your position on a high quality topography map.



            A good Iridium satellite phone is expensive (well over €1000 for the device), and owning one is uneconomical for most ordinary users. When I go to remote places, I rent a satellite phone. Prices may be in the order of 5–10 €, $, or £ per day, perhaps twice the cost of renting a PLB.






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            • PLB still wins on reliability in rough terrain. SPoT uses Iridium's network, so a sat phone doesn't have any better coverage than SPoT. If anything a phone is worse off, because simple messaging is easier to connect than a voice call, especially down in a hole where satellites aren't in your sky long.

              – Harper
              yesterday











            • @Harper I'd be curious about evidence of the reliability of PLB vs. SPoT vs. a high-end Iridium satphone. The latter might have a better antenna than SPoT? I don't know.

              – gerrit
              yesterday













            • @Harper Spot uses the Globalstar network, so coverage may not be as good as Iridium.

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              yesterday
















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            Potentially better than a PLB may be a satellite phone, of course in combination with GPS. Although I'm not sure if coverage is better, with a satellite phone one can talk.



            Only Iridium has global coverage, but you can consider cheaper alternatives if they have coverage where you're going. Forget about regular mobile phones: mobile phones only have coverage where many people live or visit. You might have coverage elsewhere, or you might not. Do not rely on regular mobile phones. Some people even leave their mobile phone switched on when in nature, which of course means it will run out of battery (in particular if using GPS, camera, data, tracking apps) and cannot be suitable as an emergency device.



            The major advantage of a satellite phone is that you can talk. When you're in a crevasse and lucky enough to still have signal, describing the details of your precise location can save your life ("I fell into the long crevasse with the oddly shaped rock near the lower end"). With poor multipath reception GPS location may be easily be 30 metre off (as opposed to 2–3 metre with good reception), and if emergency services have to explore all crevasses in a 30 metre radius, that is not helpful.



            Not knowing where you are can be deadly. Bring a modern handheld GPS device, or be very confident of your navigational skills and constantly follow your position on a high quality topography map.



            A good Iridium satellite phone is expensive (well over €1000 for the device), and owning one is uneconomical for most ordinary users. When I go to remote places, I rent a satellite phone. Prices may be in the order of 5–10 €, $, or £ per day, perhaps twice the cost of renting a PLB.






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            • PLB still wins on reliability in rough terrain. SPoT uses Iridium's network, so a sat phone doesn't have any better coverage than SPoT. If anything a phone is worse off, because simple messaging is easier to connect than a voice call, especially down in a hole where satellites aren't in your sky long.

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            • @Harper I'd be curious about evidence of the reliability of PLB vs. SPoT vs. a high-end Iridium satphone. The latter might have a better antenna than SPoT? I don't know.

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            Potentially better than a PLB may be a satellite phone, of course in combination with GPS. Although I'm not sure if coverage is better, with a satellite phone one can talk.



            Only Iridium has global coverage, but you can consider cheaper alternatives if they have coverage where you're going. Forget about regular mobile phones: mobile phones only have coverage where many people live or visit. You might have coverage elsewhere, or you might not. Do not rely on regular mobile phones. Some people even leave their mobile phone switched on when in nature, which of course means it will run out of battery (in particular if using GPS, camera, data, tracking apps) and cannot be suitable as an emergency device.



            The major advantage of a satellite phone is that you can talk. When you're in a crevasse and lucky enough to still have signal, describing the details of your precise location can save your life ("I fell into the long crevasse with the oddly shaped rock near the lower end"). With poor multipath reception GPS location may be easily be 30 metre off (as opposed to 2–3 metre with good reception), and if emergency services have to explore all crevasses in a 30 metre radius, that is not helpful.



            Not knowing where you are can be deadly. Bring a modern handheld GPS device, or be very confident of your navigational skills and constantly follow your position on a high quality topography map.



            A good Iridium satellite phone is expensive (well over €1000 for the device), and owning one is uneconomical for most ordinary users. When I go to remote places, I rent a satellite phone. Prices may be in the order of 5–10 €, $, or £ per day, perhaps twice the cost of renting a PLB.






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            Potentially better than a PLB may be a satellite phone, of course in combination with GPS. Although I'm not sure if coverage is better, with a satellite phone one can talk.



            Only Iridium has global coverage, but you can consider cheaper alternatives if they have coverage where you're going. Forget about regular mobile phones: mobile phones only have coverage where many people live or visit. You might have coverage elsewhere, or you might not. Do not rely on regular mobile phones. Some people even leave their mobile phone switched on when in nature, which of course means it will run out of battery (in particular if using GPS, camera, data, tracking apps) and cannot be suitable as an emergency device.



            The major advantage of a satellite phone is that you can talk. When you're in a crevasse and lucky enough to still have signal, describing the details of your precise location can save your life ("I fell into the long crevasse with the oddly shaped rock near the lower end"). With poor multipath reception GPS location may be easily be 30 metre off (as opposed to 2–3 metre with good reception), and if emergency services have to explore all crevasses in a 30 metre radius, that is not helpful.



            Not knowing where you are can be deadly. Bring a modern handheld GPS device, or be very confident of your navigational skills and constantly follow your position on a high quality topography map.



            A good Iridium satellite phone is expensive (well over €1000 for the device), and owning one is uneconomical for most ordinary users. When I go to remote places, I rent a satellite phone. Prices may be in the order of 5–10 €, $, or £ per day, perhaps twice the cost of renting a PLB.







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            • PLB still wins on reliability in rough terrain. SPoT uses Iridium's network, so a sat phone doesn't have any better coverage than SPoT. If anything a phone is worse off, because simple messaging is easier to connect than a voice call, especially down in a hole where satellites aren't in your sky long.

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            • @Harper I'd be curious about evidence of the reliability of PLB vs. SPoT vs. a high-end Iridium satphone. The latter might have a better antenna than SPoT? I don't know.

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            • @Harper Spot uses the Globalstar network, so coverage may not be as good as Iridium.

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            • PLB still wins on reliability in rough terrain. SPoT uses Iridium's network, so a sat phone doesn't have any better coverage than SPoT. If anything a phone is worse off, because simple messaging is easier to connect than a voice call, especially down in a hole where satellites aren't in your sky long.

              – Harper
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            • @Harper I'd be curious about evidence of the reliability of PLB vs. SPoT vs. a high-end Iridium satphone. The latter might have a better antenna than SPoT? I don't know.

              – gerrit
              yesterday













            • @Harper Spot uses the Globalstar network, so coverage may not be as good as Iridium.

              – vclaw
              yesterday

















            PLB still wins on reliability in rough terrain. SPoT uses Iridium's network, so a sat phone doesn't have any better coverage than SPoT. If anything a phone is worse off, because simple messaging is easier to connect than a voice call, especially down in a hole where satellites aren't in your sky long.

            – Harper
            yesterday





            PLB still wins on reliability in rough terrain. SPoT uses Iridium's network, so a sat phone doesn't have any better coverage than SPoT. If anything a phone is worse off, because simple messaging is easier to connect than a voice call, especially down in a hole where satellites aren't in your sky long.

            – Harper
            yesterday













            @Harper I'd be curious about evidence of the reliability of PLB vs. SPoT vs. a high-end Iridium satphone. The latter might have a better antenna than SPoT? I don't know.

            – gerrit
            yesterday







            @Harper I'd be curious about evidence of the reliability of PLB vs. SPoT vs. a high-end Iridium satphone. The latter might have a better antenna than SPoT? I don't know.

            – gerrit
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            @Harper Spot uses the Globalstar network, so coverage may not be as good as Iridium.

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            @Harper Spot uses the Globalstar network, so coverage may not be as good as Iridium.

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            If you have a working internet connection (and I realize that it is a big "if"), then chances are that you already have a messaging app installed that can do that: Whatsapp, Telegram, and Facebook Messenger all have an option to send your GPS-determined location to a contact with a couple of clicks.



            This is probably obvious for many of you, but I thought it was worth remarking.






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              If you have a working internet connection (and I realize that it is a big "if"), then chances are that you already have a messaging app installed that can do that: Whatsapp, Telegram, and Facebook Messenger all have an option to send your GPS-determined location to a contact with a couple of clicks.



              This is probably obvious for many of you, but I thought it was worth remarking.






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                If you have a working internet connection (and I realize that it is a big "if"), then chances are that you already have a messaging app installed that can do that: Whatsapp, Telegram, and Facebook Messenger all have an option to send your GPS-determined location to a contact with a couple of clicks.



                This is probably obvious for many of you, but I thought it was worth remarking.






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                If you have a working internet connection (and I realize that it is a big "if"), then chances are that you already have a messaging app installed that can do that: Whatsapp, Telegram, and Facebook Messenger all have an option to send your GPS-determined location to a contact with a couple of clicks.



                This is probably obvious for many of you, but I thought it was worth remarking.







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                    This answer explains the importance and value of maps and compasses. An additional point worth making is that many popular trails will have periodic signs giving location information such as nearest street, postcodes, and, best of all, Ordnance survey grid-references (here is an example where the grid-reference is ST835128 (the 'ST' part is not on the sign)). The point of those signs is to enable you to give concise location data in the event of requiring emergency services. So, as you walk along, look out for these signs and either take note of or memorise some of these data (until you get to the next sign).






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                      This answer explains the importance and value of maps and compasses. An additional point worth making is that many popular trails will have periodic signs giving location information such as nearest street, postcodes, and, best of all, Ordnance survey grid-references (here is an example where the grid-reference is ST835128 (the 'ST' part is not on the sign)). The point of those signs is to enable you to give concise location data in the event of requiring emergency services. So, as you walk along, look out for these signs and either take note of or memorise some of these data (until you get to the next sign).






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                        This answer explains the importance and value of maps and compasses. An additional point worth making is that many popular trails will have periodic signs giving location information such as nearest street, postcodes, and, best of all, Ordnance survey grid-references (here is an example where the grid-reference is ST835128 (the 'ST' part is not on the sign)). The point of those signs is to enable you to give concise location data in the event of requiring emergency services. So, as you walk along, look out for these signs and either take note of or memorise some of these data (until you get to the next sign).






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                        This answer explains the importance and value of maps and compasses. An additional point worth making is that many popular trails will have periodic signs giving location information such as nearest street, postcodes, and, best of all, Ordnance survey grid-references (here is an example where the grid-reference is ST835128 (the 'ST' part is not on the sign)). The point of those signs is to enable you to give concise location data in the event of requiring emergency services. So, as you walk along, look out for these signs and either take note of or memorise some of these data (until you get to the next sign).







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                            You can use an old-fashioned flare gun and hope that someone will report it. Whistles and mirrors/lights are also often used in case of emergencies.



                            More modern option is Spot which uploads your position at least every 60 minutes and allows you to call for help or mark as safe. Because it uses GPS and sends messages through similar frequencies you need to have the sky visible to be able to communicate. As your position is updated periodically someone can monitor your progress and call for help when there is no movement. This will help you in case you are unconscious or stuck in a cave/dense woods and are unable to communicate.






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                            • Actually Imma withdraw my objections because this is one of the edge conditions SPoT might've actually beat 406.

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                            You can use an old-fashioned flare gun and hope that someone will report it. Whistles and mirrors/lights are also often used in case of emergencies.



                            More modern option is Spot which uploads your position at least every 60 minutes and allows you to call for help or mark as safe. Because it uses GPS and sends messages through similar frequencies you need to have the sky visible to be able to communicate. As your position is updated periodically someone can monitor your progress and call for help when there is no movement. This will help you in case you are unconscious or stuck in a cave/dense woods and are unable to communicate.






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                            You can use an old-fashioned flare gun and hope that someone will report it. Whistles and mirrors/lights are also often used in case of emergencies.



                            More modern option is Spot which uploads your position at least every 60 minutes and allows you to call for help or mark as safe. Because it uses GPS and sends messages through similar frequencies you need to have the sky visible to be able to communicate. As your position is updated periodically someone can monitor your progress and call for help when there is no movement. This will help you in case you are unconscious or stuck in a cave/dense woods and are unable to communicate.






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                            You can use an old-fashioned flare gun and hope that someone will report it. Whistles and mirrors/lights are also often used in case of emergencies.



                            More modern option is Spot which uploads your position at least every 60 minutes and allows you to call for help or mark as safe. Because it uses GPS and sends messages through similar frequencies you need to have the sky visible to be able to communicate. As your position is updated periodically someone can monitor your progress and call for help when there is no movement. This will help you in case you are unconscious or stuck in a cave/dense woods and are unable to communicate.







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                            • Actually Imma withdraw my objections because this is one of the edge conditions SPoT might've actually beat 406.

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                            • Actually Imma withdraw my objections because this is one of the edge conditions SPoT might've actually beat 406.

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                            Actually Imma withdraw my objections because this is one of the edge conditions SPoT might've actually beat 406.

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                            Actually Imma withdraw my objections because this is one of the edge conditions SPoT might've actually beat 406.

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                            If you do have cell service and have an iPhone on you, you can send an Emergency SOS. It will call Emergency Services for you and send your location to your emergency contacts. Your emergency contact will have your location and should be able to provide it to the emergency services, if you are unable to do so (for example when you lose consciousness) or your connection is not reliable enough to provide it over a phone call.




                            Here's how to make the call on iPhone 8 or later:




                            1. Press and hold the side button and one of the Volume buttons until the Emergency SOS slider appears.

                            2. Drag the Emergency SOS slider to call emergency services. If you continue to hold down the side button and Volume button, instead of dragging the slider, a countdown begins and an alert sounds. If you hold down the buttons until the countdown ends, your iPhone automatically calls emergency services.


                            Here's how to make the call on iPhone 7 or earlier:




                            1. Rapidly press the side (or top) button five times. The Emergency SOS slider will appear. (In India, you only need to press the button three times, then your iPhone automatically calls emergency services.)

                            2. Drag the Emergency SOS slider to call emergency services.


                            After the call ends, your iPhone sends your Emergency contacts a text message with your current location, unless you choose to cancel. If Location Services is off, it will temporarily turn on. If your location changes, your contacts will get an update, and you'll get a notification about 10 minutes later.







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                              If you do have cell service and have an iPhone on you, you can send an Emergency SOS. It will call Emergency Services for you and send your location to your emergency contacts. Your emergency contact will have your location and should be able to provide it to the emergency services, if you are unable to do so (for example when you lose consciousness) or your connection is not reliable enough to provide it over a phone call.




                              Here's how to make the call on iPhone 8 or later:




                              1. Press and hold the side button and one of the Volume buttons until the Emergency SOS slider appears.

                              2. Drag the Emergency SOS slider to call emergency services. If you continue to hold down the side button and Volume button, instead of dragging the slider, a countdown begins and an alert sounds. If you hold down the buttons until the countdown ends, your iPhone automatically calls emergency services.


                              Here's how to make the call on iPhone 7 or earlier:




                              1. Rapidly press the side (or top) button five times. The Emergency SOS slider will appear. (In India, you only need to press the button three times, then your iPhone automatically calls emergency services.)

                              2. Drag the Emergency SOS slider to call emergency services.


                              After the call ends, your iPhone sends your Emergency contacts a text message with your current location, unless you choose to cancel. If Location Services is off, it will temporarily turn on. If your location changes, your contacts will get an update, and you'll get a notification about 10 minutes later.







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                                If you do have cell service and have an iPhone on you, you can send an Emergency SOS. It will call Emergency Services for you and send your location to your emergency contacts. Your emergency contact will have your location and should be able to provide it to the emergency services, if you are unable to do so (for example when you lose consciousness) or your connection is not reliable enough to provide it over a phone call.




                                Here's how to make the call on iPhone 8 or later:




                                1. Press and hold the side button and one of the Volume buttons until the Emergency SOS slider appears.

                                2. Drag the Emergency SOS slider to call emergency services. If you continue to hold down the side button and Volume button, instead of dragging the slider, a countdown begins and an alert sounds. If you hold down the buttons until the countdown ends, your iPhone automatically calls emergency services.


                                Here's how to make the call on iPhone 7 or earlier:




                                1. Rapidly press the side (or top) button five times. The Emergency SOS slider will appear. (In India, you only need to press the button three times, then your iPhone automatically calls emergency services.)

                                2. Drag the Emergency SOS slider to call emergency services.


                                After the call ends, your iPhone sends your Emergency contacts a text message with your current location, unless you choose to cancel. If Location Services is off, it will temporarily turn on. If your location changes, your contacts will get an update, and you'll get a notification about 10 minutes later.







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                                If you do have cell service and have an iPhone on you, you can send an Emergency SOS. It will call Emergency Services for you and send your location to your emergency contacts. Your emergency contact will have your location and should be able to provide it to the emergency services, if you are unable to do so (for example when you lose consciousness) or your connection is not reliable enough to provide it over a phone call.




                                Here's how to make the call on iPhone 8 or later:




                                1. Press and hold the side button and one of the Volume buttons until the Emergency SOS slider appears.

                                2. Drag the Emergency SOS slider to call emergency services. If you continue to hold down the side button and Volume button, instead of dragging the slider, a countdown begins and an alert sounds. If you hold down the buttons until the countdown ends, your iPhone automatically calls emergency services.


                                Here's how to make the call on iPhone 7 or earlier:




                                1. Rapidly press the side (or top) button five times. The Emergency SOS slider will appear. (In India, you only need to press the button three times, then your iPhone automatically calls emergency services.)

                                2. Drag the Emergency SOS slider to call emergency services.


                                After the call ends, your iPhone sends your Emergency contacts a text message with your current location, unless you choose to cancel. If Location Services is off, it will temporarily turn on. If your location changes, your contacts will get an update, and you'll get a notification about 10 minutes later.








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                                    If you use an Android phone with Google services enabled (which is the case if you did not put your own firmware) then you can continuously share your location with people you choose. The positioning is not always 100% accurate but for a slow moving person (walking) it should be good enough (I noticed that when biking, some of the points (maybe one or two over 15 km) are off by ~100 m).



                                    Go to Google Maps and choose "position sharing" in the menu (I have the French version so this is a translation).



                                    Make sure to do that before leaving so that your position is recorded all the time and someone can see the "last good" one if you would not have data access when being in danger.






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                                      If you use an Android phone with Google services enabled (which is the case if you did not put your own firmware) then you can continuously share your location with people you choose. The positioning is not always 100% accurate but for a slow moving person (walking) it should be good enough (I noticed that when biking, some of the points (maybe one or two over 15 km) are off by ~100 m).



                                      Go to Google Maps and choose "position sharing" in the menu (I have the French version so this is a translation).



                                      Make sure to do that before leaving so that your position is recorded all the time and someone can see the "last good" one if you would not have data access when being in danger.






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                                        If you use an Android phone with Google services enabled (which is the case if you did not put your own firmware) then you can continuously share your location with people you choose. The positioning is not always 100% accurate but for a slow moving person (walking) it should be good enough (I noticed that when biking, some of the points (maybe one or two over 15 km) are off by ~100 m).



                                        Go to Google Maps and choose "position sharing" in the menu (I have the French version so this is a translation).



                                        Make sure to do that before leaving so that your position is recorded all the time and someone can see the "last good" one if you would not have data access when being in danger.






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                                        If you use an Android phone with Google services enabled (which is the case if you did not put your own firmware) then you can continuously share your location with people you choose. The positioning is not always 100% accurate but for a slow moving person (walking) it should be good enough (I noticed that when biking, some of the points (maybe one or two over 15 km) are off by ~100 m).



                                        Go to Google Maps and choose "position sharing" in the menu (I have the French version so this is a translation).



                                        Make sure to do that before leaving so that your position is recorded all the time and someone can see the "last good" one if you would not have data access when being in danger.







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                                            I have an app called Life360. It tracks your location using GPS, and at any time you can send a help alert witch notifies emergency contacts by text and email and you can call emergency services. Your last known location can be viewed by selected people at any time. Link to download.






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                                              I have an app called Life360. It tracks your location using GPS, and at any time you can send a help alert witch notifies emergency contacts by text and email and you can call emergency services. Your last known location can be viewed by selected people at any time. Link to download.






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                                                I have an app called Life360. It tracks your location using GPS, and at any time you can send a help alert witch notifies emergency contacts by text and email and you can call emergency services. Your last known location can be viewed by selected people at any time. Link to download.






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                                                I have an app called Life360. It tracks your location using GPS, and at any time you can send a help alert witch notifies emergency contacts by text and email and you can call emergency services. Your last known location can be viewed by selected people at any time. Link to download.







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