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I decided to make an unreasonable demand from nearby town and to gain an advantage in upcoming dispute I want an undead horde reinforcing my arguments. I am not looking for quality (after all, those buffoons can't tell skeleton from lich), but quantity.

My question is: how many undead creatures a Player Character can have under their control at the same time?

Constraints:

• Only official WOTC content.


• Small and larger undead only: it is hard to be intimidated by something you have to look for.


• Target number should be able to be attained without explicit DM cooperation. No dozens of tomes thrown at character, no unlikely situations, no DM fiat (so no Boons, for example).


• No Legendary magic items.


• After attaining desired amount of undead, character should be able to sustain that amount for at least seven days without outside help while travelling with the horde.

dnd-5e optimization undead necromancy

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  What extent of magic items are available then? How many rings with spells stored in them? Is the PC acting entirely alone or can they use resources from other characters as well during the summoning portion? Can the caster summon creatures to help them maintain the undead?
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  @Medix2 No more that 1 copy of any permanent magic item. I would say, in typical campaing character will get around 25 magic items: up to 4 very rare items and up to seven of each category below (based on treasure distribution in XGTE). PC can use outside help while gathering his horde, but after he departs on his 7-days journey, he will act completely alone.
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I decided to make an unreasonable demand from nearby town and to gain an advantage in upcoming dispute I want an undead horde reinforcing my arguments. I am not looking for quality (after all, those buffoons can't tell skeleton from lich), but quantity.

My question is: how many undead creatures a Player Character can have under their control at the same time?

Constraints:

• Only official WOTC content.


• Small and larger undead only: it is hard to be intimidated by something you have to look for.


• Target number should be able to be attained without explicit DM cooperation. No dozens of tomes thrown at character, no unlikely situations, no DM fiat (so no Boons, for example).


• No Legendary magic items.


• After attaining desired amount of undead, character should be able to sustain that amount for at least seven days without outside help while travelling with the horde.

dnd-5e optimization undead necromancy

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  What extent of magic items are available then? How many rings with spells stored in them? Is the PC acting entirely alone or can they use resources from other characters as well during the summoning portion? Can the caster summon creatures to help them maintain the undead?
  $endgroup$
  – Medix2
  9 hours ago
  
  
  

  
  
  
  


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  @Medix2 No more that 1 copy of any permanent magic item. I would say, in typical campaing character will get around 25 magic items: up to 4 very rare items and up to seven of each category below (based on treasure distribution in XGTE). PC can use outside help while gathering his horde, but after he departs on his 7-days journey, he will act completely alone.
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  – Revolver_Ocelot
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I decided to make an unreasonable demand from nearby town and to gain an advantage in upcoming dispute I want an undead horde reinforcing my arguments. I am not looking for quality (after all, those buffoons can't tell skeleton from lich), but quantity.

My question is: how many undead creatures a Player Character can have under their control at the same time?

Constraints:

• Only official WOTC content.


• Small and larger undead only: it is hard to be intimidated by something you have to look for.


• Target number should be able to be attained without explicit DM cooperation. No dozens of tomes thrown at character, no unlikely situations, no DM fiat (so no Boons, for example).


• No Legendary magic items.


• After attaining desired amount of undead, character should be able to sustain that amount for at least seven days without outside help while travelling with the horde.

dnd-5e optimization undead necromancy

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Unlimited

There is no upper limit to the number of undead that you can control...the process is pretty simple, too.

1. Attain access to True Polymorph
   


2. Turn yourself into a Death Tyrant Beholder, hold the spell until it becomes permanent


3. Massacre vast numbers of humanoids while within your Negative Energy Cone. Target goblins or orcs if you have something resembling scruples.
   
   

   
   

   Any humanoid that dies there becomes a zombie under the tyrant’s command.

   
   

   
   


4. Do whatever you want.

There is no upper limit to how many zombies a Death Tyrant can command. So.... have fun!

You can have a friend Dispel Magic on you if you ever get tired of being a Death Tyrant... but make sure to lock up your Zombie Horde first.

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  And here I was, trying to optimise beyond 113 zombies. I doubt someone going to beat that, but I will hold off accepting this answer for now to not discourage alternative answers.
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  -1 "Target goblins or orcs if you have something resembling scruples." Pretty sure genocide is more or less the opposite of "scrupulous."
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Unlimited (even if you don't want to be a Beholder)

While the concept is bizarre to me, some people might not want to spend their time as a Beholder... For them, the process is actually simpler.

1. Attain access to Finger of Death
   


2. Wander through the land, murdering hapless peasants.
   
   

   
   

   A humanoid killed by this spell rises at the start of your next turn
   as a zombie that is permanently under your command, following your
   verbal orders to the best of its ability.

   
   

   
   


3. Do whatever you want.

Just be careful not to get silenced, or at least issue contingency orders for if you do. Otherwise you might find yourself with a large horde of directionless undead.

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  This is a better answer... any reasonable DM would make all the created undead from time spent as a Death Tyrant free when the True Polymorph wore off, so it is not "permanent" in that regard.
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6

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Unlimited

There is no upper limit to the number of undead that you can control...the process is pretty simple, too.

1. Attain access to True Polymorph
   


2. Turn yourself into a Death Tyrant Beholder, hold the spell until it becomes permanent


3. Massacre vast numbers of humanoids while within your Negative Energy Cone. Target goblins or orcs if you have something resembling scruples.
   
   

   
   

   Any humanoid that dies there becomes a zombie under the tyrant’s command.

   
   

   
   


4. Do whatever you want.

There is no upper limit to how many zombies a Death Tyrant can command. So.... have fun!

You can have a friend Dispel Magic on you if you ever get tired of being a Death Tyrant... but make sure to lock up your Zombie Horde first.

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  And here I was, trying to optimise beyond 113 zombies. I doubt someone going to beat that, but I will hold off accepting this answer for now to not discourage alternative answers.
  $endgroup$
  – Revolver_Ocelot
  8 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
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  -1 "Target goblins or orcs if you have something resembling scruples." Pretty sure genocide is more or less the opposite of "scrupulous."
  $endgroup$
  – Lexible
  12 mins ago
  

  
  
  
  

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6

$begingroup$

Unlimited

There is no upper limit to the number of undead that you can control...the process is pretty simple, too.

1. Attain access to True Polymorph
   


2. Turn yourself into a Death Tyrant Beholder, hold the spell until it becomes permanent


3. Massacre vast numbers of humanoids while within your Negative Energy Cone. Target goblins or orcs if you have something resembling scruples.
   
   

   
   

   Any humanoid that dies there becomes a zombie under the tyrant’s command.

   
   

   
   


4. Do whatever you want.

There is no upper limit to how many zombies a Death Tyrant can command. So.... have fun!

You can have a friend Dispel Magic on you if you ever get tired of being a Death Tyrant... but make sure to lock up your Zombie Horde first.

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  And here I was, trying to optimise beyond 113 zombies. I doubt someone going to beat that, but I will hold off accepting this answer for now to not discourage alternative answers.
  $endgroup$
  – Revolver_Ocelot
  8 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
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  -1 "Target goblins or orcs if you have something resembling scruples." Pretty sure genocide is more or less the opposite of "scrupulous."
  $endgroup$
  – Lexible
  12 mins ago
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

$begingroup$

Unlimited

There is no upper limit to the number of undead that you can control...the process is pretty simple, too.

1. Attain access to True Polymorph
   


2. Turn yourself into a Death Tyrant Beholder, hold the spell until it becomes permanent


3. Massacre vast numbers of humanoids while within your Negative Energy Cone. Target goblins or orcs if you have something resembling scruples.
   
   

   
   

   Any humanoid that dies there becomes a zombie under the tyrant’s command.

   
   

   
   


4. Do whatever you want.

There is no upper limit to how many zombies a Death Tyrant can command. So.... have fun!

You can have a friend Dispel Magic on you if you ever get tired of being a Death Tyrant... but make sure to lock up your Zombie Horde first.

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5

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Unlimited (even if you don't want to be a Beholder)

While the concept is bizarre to me, some people might not want to spend their time as a Beholder... For them, the process is actually simpler.

1. Attain access to Finger of Death
   


2. Wander through the land, murdering hapless peasants.
   
   

   
   

   A humanoid killed by this spell rises at the start of your next turn
   as a zombie that is permanently under your command, following your
   verbal orders to the best of its ability.

   
   

   
   


3. Do whatever you want.

Just be careful not to get silenced, or at least issue contingency orders for if you do. Otherwise you might find yourself with a large horde of directionless undead.

share|improve this answer

answered 4 hours ago

LarkeithLarkeith

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  $begingroup$
  This is a better answer... any reasonable DM would make all the created undead from time spent as a Death Tyrant free when the True Polymorph wore off, so it is not "permanent" in that regard.
  $endgroup$
  – Slagmoth
  2 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

5

$begingroup$

Unlimited (even if you don't want to be a Beholder)

While the concept is bizarre to me, some people might not want to spend their time as a Beholder... For them, the process is actually simpler.

1. Attain access to Finger of Death
   


2. Wander through the land, murdering hapless peasants.
   
   

   
   

   A humanoid killed by this spell rises at the start of your next turn
   as a zombie that is permanently under your command, following your
   verbal orders to the best of its ability.

   
   

   
   


3. Do whatever you want.

Just be careful not to get silenced, or at least issue contingency orders for if you do. Otherwise you might find yourself with a large horde of directionless undead.

share|improve this answer

answered 4 hours ago

LarkeithLarkeith

31033 bronze badges

$endgroup$

• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  $begingroup$
  This is a better answer... any reasonable DM would make all the created undead from time spent as a Death Tyrant free when the True Polymorph wore off, so it is not "permanent" in that regard.
  $endgroup$
  – Slagmoth
  2 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

$begingroup$

Unlimited (even if you don't want to be a Beholder)

While the concept is bizarre to me, some people might not want to spend their time as a Beholder... For them, the process is actually simpler.

1. Attain access to Finger of Death
   


2. Wander through the land, murdering hapless peasants.
   
   

   
   

   A humanoid killed by this spell rises at the start of your next turn
   as a zombie that is permanently under your command, following your
   verbal orders to the best of its ability.

   
   

   
   


3. Do whatever you want.

Just be careful not to get silenced, or at least issue contingency orders for if you do. Otherwise you might find yourself with a large horde of directionless undead.

share|improve this answer

answered 4 hours ago

LarkeithLarkeith

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