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I'd like to try this bete noir recipe, but it's for Passover. I'd like to make it parve (dairy free). I'm thinking about substituting butter with margarine (which seems pretty straightforward), and for the ganoche, whipping cream with almond milk (which feels iffier).

Any immediate thoughts on a better approach, or advice for using the almond milk, in particular??

dairy-free almond-milk margarine

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  You may want to read this very elaborate Q/A on coconut milk ganache and whipping.
  
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  The expression is properly spelt bête noire : the beast being feminine and all, and the chapeau being obligatory. :)
  
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I'd like to try this bete noir recipe, but it's for Passover. I'd like to make it parve (dairy free). I'm thinking about substituting butter with margarine (which seems pretty straightforward), and for the ganoche, whipping cream with almond milk (which feels iffier).

Any immediate thoughts on a better approach, or advice for using the almond milk, in particular??

dairy-free almond-milk margarine

share|improve this question

asked 7 hours ago

Scott SeidmanScott Seidman

1413

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  3
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  You may want to read this very elaborate Q/A on coconut milk ganache and whipping.
  
  – Stephie♦
  6 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  The expression is properly spelt bête noire : the beast being feminine and all, and the chapeau being obligatory. :)
  
  – tchrist
  44 mins ago
  
  
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

I'd like to try this bete noir recipe, but it's for Passover. I'd like to make it parve (dairy free). I'm thinking about substituting butter with margarine (which seems pretty straightforward), and for the ganoche, whipping cream with almond milk (which feels iffier).

Any immediate thoughts on a better approach, or advice for using the almond milk, in particular??

dairy-free almond-milk margarine

share|improve this question

asked 7 hours ago

Scott SeidmanScott Seidman

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The key to a smooth ganache is fat - add too much water and you will end up with a “grainy” product. There are even recipes that use butter instead of cream (full or partial substitution), and while that’s probably a heart attack on a spoon, the texture is excellent. Almond milk is at least as “watery” as regular cows milk, so yes, that’s a questionable substitute without further changes.

You can benefit from the recent vegan trend and either use full-fat coconut milk (if the flavor is to your liking) or buy a vegan cream substitute, just check what your local store has available. If you want to use almond milk, consider adding a butter substitute (solid vegetable fat?).

Margarine instead of butter in the crust won’t be an issue, alternatively, you may want to check vegetable shortening. We may have a few Q/As on that substitution on the site. And don’t forget to get dairy-free chocolate.

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answered 6 hours ago

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  Wow-- thanks for the heads up on the almond milk!! This was a disappointment waiting to happen. The margarine is for the decadent chocolate non-ganache part, not crust, but it still looks right.
  
  – Scott Seidman
  6 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


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  good point on the chocolate. After looking around near me a few years back, I found that Wegman's store brand chocolate chips are dairy free.
  
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  Most of the chocolate on the Kosher for Passover rack in Wegmans seem to be dairy free.
  
  – Scott Seidman
  5 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

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The cream is the entire point of ganache. You should wait a week and make the real thing. And pick something more suitable for passover.

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  Re: "You should wait a week and make the real thing": The OP's wording is confusing, but the linked recipe is fine for Passover; presumably that's why he chose it. The reason he wants a dairy-free version is most likely that he intends to have meat at the Passover seder, so can't have a dairy dessert immediately afterward. So, he doesn't need to wait a full week -- he can just make this a different night during the holiday. :-)
  
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The key to a smooth ganache is fat - add too much water and you will end up with a “grainy” product. There are even recipes that use butter instead of cream (full or partial substitution), and while that’s probably a heart attack on a spoon, the texture is excellent. Almond milk is at least as “watery” as regular cows milk, so yes, that’s a questionable substitute without further changes.

You can benefit from the recent vegan trend and either use full-fat coconut milk (if the flavor is to your liking) or buy a vegan cream substitute, just check what your local store has available. If you want to use almond milk, consider adding a butter substitute (solid vegetable fat?).

Margarine instead of butter in the crust won’t be an issue, alternatively, you may want to check vegetable shortening. We may have a few Q/As on that substitution on the site. And don’t forget to get dairy-free chocolate.

share|improve this answer

answered 6 hours ago

Stephie♦Stephie

38.1k6101140

• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Wow-- thanks for the heads up on the almond milk!! This was a disappointment waiting to happen. The margarine is for the decadent chocolate non-ganache part, not crust, but it still looks right.
  
  – Scott Seidman
  6 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  good point on the chocolate. After looking around near me a few years back, I found that Wegman's store brand chocolate chips are dairy free.
  
  – Joe
  5 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  2
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Most of the chocolate on the Kosher for Passover rack in Wegmans seem to be dairy free.
  
  – Scott Seidman
  5 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

5

The key to a smooth ganache is fat - add too much water and you will end up with a “grainy” product. There are even recipes that use butter instead of cream (full or partial substitution), and while that’s probably a heart attack on a spoon, the texture is excellent. Almond milk is at least as “watery” as regular cows milk, so yes, that’s a questionable substitute without further changes.

You can benefit from the recent vegan trend and either use full-fat coconut milk (if the flavor is to your liking) or buy a vegan cream substitute, just check what your local store has available. If you want to use almond milk, consider adding a butter substitute (solid vegetable fat?).

Margarine instead of butter in the crust won’t be an issue, alternatively, you may want to check vegetable shortening. We may have a few Q/As on that substitution on the site. And don’t forget to get dairy-free chocolate.

share|improve this answer

answered 6 hours ago

Stephie♦Stephie

38.1k6101140

• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Wow-- thanks for the heads up on the almond milk!! This was a disappointment waiting to happen. The margarine is for the decadent chocolate non-ganache part, not crust, but it still looks right.
  
  – Scott Seidman
  6 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  good point on the chocolate. After looking around near me a few years back, I found that Wegman's store brand chocolate chips are dairy free.
  
  – Joe
  5 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  2
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Most of the chocolate on the Kosher for Passover rack in Wegmans seem to be dairy free.
  
  – Scott Seidman
  5 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

The key to a smooth ganache is fat - add too much water and you will end up with a “grainy” product. There are even recipes that use butter instead of cream (full or partial substitution), and while that’s probably a heart attack on a spoon, the texture is excellent. Almond milk is at least as “watery” as regular cows milk, so yes, that’s a questionable substitute without further changes.

You can benefit from the recent vegan trend and either use full-fat coconut milk (if the flavor is to your liking) or buy a vegan cream substitute, just check what your local store has available. If you want to use almond milk, consider adding a butter substitute (solid vegetable fat?).

Margarine instead of butter in the crust won’t be an issue, alternatively, you may want to check vegetable shortening. We may have a few Q/As on that substitution on the site. And don’t forget to get dairy-free chocolate.

share|improve this answer

answered 6 hours ago

Stephie♦Stephie

38.1k6101140

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answered 6 hours ago

Stephie♦Stephie

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answered 6 hours ago

Stephie♦Stephie

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answered 6 hours ago

Stephie♦Stephie

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The cream is the entire point of ganache. You should wait a week and make the real thing. And pick something more suitable for passover.

share|improve this answer

answered 4 hours ago

George MGeorge M

1,128110

• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Re: "You should wait a week and make the real thing": The OP's wording is confusing, but the linked recipe is fine for Passover; presumably that's why he chose it. The reason he wants a dairy-free version is most likely that he intends to have meat at the Passover seder, so can't have a dairy dessert immediately afterward. So, he doesn't need to wait a full week -- he can just make this a different night during the holiday. :-)
  
  – ruakh
  2 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

0

The cream is the entire point of ganache. You should wait a week and make the real thing. And pick something more suitable for passover.

share|improve this answer

answered 4 hours ago

George MGeorge M

1,128110

• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Re: "You should wait a week and make the real thing": The OP's wording is confusing, but the linked recipe is fine for Passover; presumably that's why he chose it. The reason he wants a dairy-free version is most likely that he intends to have meat at the Passover seder, so can't have a dairy dessert immediately afterward. So, he doesn't need to wait a full week -- he can just make this a different night during the holiday. :-)
  
  – ruakh
  2 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

The cream is the entire point of ganache. You should wait a week and make the real thing. And pick something more suitable for passover.

share|improve this answer

answered 4 hours ago

George MGeorge M

1,128110

share|improve this answer

answered 4 hours ago

George MGeorge M

1,128110

answered 4 hours ago

George MGeorge M

1,128110

answered 4 hours ago

George MGeorge M

1,128110