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Meaning of the negation in phrases like “не должен прочитать”
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I am often confused by phrases like "не должен прочитать," "не должен сделать," "не должен работать," "не должен платить" and so on. Sometimes the negation appears to refer to "должен," and sometimes - to the subsequent verb (i.e., to "прочитать" or whatever follows after "должен"). That is, I often get confused as to which interpretation is correct - "is not obliged to read" or "is obliged not to read."
My question is this: Is there any simple rule or trick to determine which verb is implied to be negated in phrases like "не должен прочитать"?
There might be some rule I am not aware of. Or should I always assume that both interpretations are possible unless one of them is excluded by the context?
значения выражения глаголы отрицание
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I am often confused by phrases like "не должен прочитать," "не должен сделать," "не должен работать," "не должен платить" and so on. Sometimes the negation appears to refer to "должен," and sometimes - to the subsequent verb (i.e., to "прочитать" or whatever follows after "должен"). That is, I often get confused as to which interpretation is correct - "is not obliged to read" or "is obliged not to read."
My question is this: Is there any simple rule or trick to determine which verb is implied to be negated in phrases like "не должен прочитать"?
There might be some rule I am not aware of. Or should I always assume that both interpretations are possible unless one of them is excluded by the context?
значения выражения глаголы отрицание
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I am often confused by phrases like "не должен прочитать," "не должен сделать," "не должен работать," "не должен платить" and so on. Sometimes the negation appears to refer to "должен," and sometimes - to the subsequent verb (i.e., to "прочитать" or whatever follows after "должен"). That is, I often get confused as to which interpretation is correct - "is not obliged to read" or "is obliged not to read."
My question is this: Is there any simple rule or trick to determine which verb is implied to be negated in phrases like "не должен прочитать"?
There might be some rule I am not aware of. Or should I always assume that both interpretations are possible unless one of them is excluded by the context?
значения выражения глаголы отрицание
I am often confused by phrases like "не должен прочитать," "не должен сделать," "не должен работать," "не должен платить" and so on. Sometimes the negation appears to refer to "должен," and sometimes - to the subsequent verb (i.e., to "прочитать" or whatever follows after "должен"). That is, I often get confused as to which interpretation is correct - "is not obliged to read" or "is obliged not to read."
My question is this: Is there any simple rule or trick to determine which verb is implied to be negated in phrases like "не должен прочитать"?
There might be some rule I am not aware of. Or should I always assume that both interpretations are possible unless one of them is excluded by the context?
значения выражения глаголы отрицание
значения выражения глаголы отрицание
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Usually (usually), imperfective means "should not be doing it":
Он не должен это читать // He cannot be required to be reading this
and perfective means "should be not doing it":
Он не должен это прочитать // He is not allowed to read that.
Ohh, so the key is in the aspect (perfective vs imperfective)! I had no idea it could be that simple.
– Mitsuko
9 hours ago
I just tried to recall numerous examples and feel that your rule is not universal. In particular, I recall something like "он не должен сейчас быть в университете, потому что сегодня выходной день." I now see two possible interpretations: (1) "He is not obliged to be in the university now, because today is a holiday." (2) "He is expected not to be in the university now, because today is a holiday." I am confused... This verb "должен" is already extremely tricky by itself, and now this ambiguity with the negation adds insult to injury...
– Mitsuko
8 hours ago
@Mitsuko: you're right, that's why I put the "usually" there twice.
– Quassnoi♦
8 hours ago
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Usually (usually), imperfective means "should not be doing it":
Он не должен это читать // He cannot be required to be reading this
and perfective means "should be not doing it":
Он не должен это прочитать // He is not allowed to read that.
Ohh, so the key is in the aspect (perfective vs imperfective)! I had no idea it could be that simple.
– Mitsuko
9 hours ago
I just tried to recall numerous examples and feel that your rule is not universal. In particular, I recall something like "он не должен сейчас быть в университете, потому что сегодня выходной день." I now see two possible interpretations: (1) "He is not obliged to be in the university now, because today is a holiday." (2) "He is expected not to be in the university now, because today is a holiday." I am confused... This verb "должен" is already extremely tricky by itself, and now this ambiguity with the negation adds insult to injury...
– Mitsuko
8 hours ago
@Mitsuko: you're right, that's why I put the "usually" there twice.
– Quassnoi♦
8 hours ago
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Usually (usually), imperfective means "should not be doing it":
Он не должен это читать // He cannot be required to be reading this
and perfective means "should be not doing it":
Он не должен это прочитать // He is not allowed to read that.
Ohh, so the key is in the aspect (perfective vs imperfective)! I had no idea it could be that simple.
– Mitsuko
9 hours ago
I just tried to recall numerous examples and feel that your rule is not universal. In particular, I recall something like "он не должен сейчас быть в университете, потому что сегодня выходной день." I now see two possible interpretations: (1) "He is not obliged to be in the university now, because today is a holiday." (2) "He is expected not to be in the university now, because today is a holiday." I am confused... This verb "должен" is already extremely tricky by itself, and now this ambiguity with the negation adds insult to injury...
– Mitsuko
8 hours ago
@Mitsuko: you're right, that's why I put the "usually" there twice.
– Quassnoi♦
8 hours ago
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Usually (usually), imperfective means "should not be doing it":
Он не должен это читать // He cannot be required to be reading this
and perfective means "should be not doing it":
Он не должен это прочитать // He is not allowed to read that.
Usually (usually), imperfective means "should not be doing it":
Он не должен это читать // He cannot be required to be reading this
and perfective means "should be not doing it":
Он не должен это прочитать // He is not allowed to read that.
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Ohh, so the key is in the aspect (perfective vs imperfective)! I had no idea it could be that simple.
– Mitsuko
9 hours ago
I just tried to recall numerous examples and feel that your rule is not universal. In particular, I recall something like "он не должен сейчас быть в университете, потому что сегодня выходной день." I now see two possible interpretations: (1) "He is not obliged to be in the university now, because today is a holiday." (2) "He is expected not to be in the university now, because today is a holiday." I am confused... This verb "должен" is already extremely tricky by itself, and now this ambiguity with the negation adds insult to injury...
– Mitsuko
8 hours ago
@Mitsuko: you're right, that's why I put the "usually" there twice.
– Quassnoi♦
8 hours ago
add a comment |
Ohh, so the key is in the aspect (perfective vs imperfective)! I had no idea it could be that simple.
– Mitsuko
9 hours ago
I just tried to recall numerous examples and feel that your rule is not universal. In particular, I recall something like "он не должен сейчас быть в университете, потому что сегодня выходной день." I now see two possible interpretations: (1) "He is not obliged to be in the university now, because today is a holiday." (2) "He is expected not to be in the university now, because today is a holiday." I am confused... This verb "должен" is already extremely tricky by itself, and now this ambiguity with the negation adds insult to injury...
– Mitsuko
8 hours ago
@Mitsuko: you're right, that's why I put the "usually" there twice.
– Quassnoi♦
8 hours ago
Ohh, so the key is in the aspect (perfective vs imperfective)! I had no idea it could be that simple.
– Mitsuko
9 hours ago
Ohh, so the key is in the aspect (perfective vs imperfective)! I had no idea it could be that simple.
– Mitsuko
9 hours ago
I just tried to recall numerous examples and feel that your rule is not universal. In particular, I recall something like "он не должен сейчас быть в университете, потому что сегодня выходной день." I now see two possible interpretations: (1) "He is not obliged to be in the university now, because today is a holiday." (2) "He is expected not to be in the university now, because today is a holiday." I am confused... This verb "должен" is already extremely tricky by itself, and now this ambiguity with the negation adds insult to injury...
– Mitsuko
8 hours ago
I just tried to recall numerous examples and feel that your rule is not universal. In particular, I recall something like "он не должен сейчас быть в университете, потому что сегодня выходной день." I now see two possible interpretations: (1) "He is not obliged to be in the university now, because today is a holiday." (2) "He is expected not to be in the university now, because today is a holiday." I am confused... This verb "должен" is already extremely tricky by itself, and now this ambiguity with the negation adds insult to injury...
– Mitsuko
8 hours ago
@Mitsuko: you're right, that's why I put the "usually" there twice.
– Quassnoi♦
8 hours ago
@Mitsuko: you're right, that's why I put the "usually" there twice.
– Quassnoi♦
8 hours ago
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