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Geologist Harrison Schmitt was Lunar Module Pilot for Apollo 17 and the last person to arrive on the moon. He was the only real scientist to walk on the moon.

Schmitt had all of the training that other Apollo astronauts received, and was qualified to fly both the CM and LM. However, he was the first astronaut who hadn't previously been a military pilot (and prior to Apollo 17, all had been military test pilots). His Wikipedia article notes:

Following his selection, Schmitt spent his first year at Air Force UPT learning to become a jet pilot.

However, that doesn't tell me if he completed military pilot training, or if he had a civilian pilot's license.

At the time of Apollo 17, was Schmitt legally a pilot (i.e. military certification or a civilian license)? He may have met NASA's requirements, but that's not what this question is about. If not, perhaps that would make him NASA's only pilot-class astronaut who wasn't legally a pilot.

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Geologist Harrison Schmitt was Lunar Module Pilot for Apollo 17 and the last person to arrive on the moon. He was the only real scientist to walk on the moon.

Schmitt had all of the training that other Apollo astronauts received, and was qualified to fly both the CM and LM. However, he was the first astronaut who hadn't previously been a military pilot (and prior to Apollo 17, all had been military test pilots). His Wikipedia article notes:

Following his selection, Schmitt spent his first year at Air Force UPT learning to become a jet pilot.

However, that doesn't tell me if he completed military pilot training, or if he had a civilian pilot's license.

At the time of Apollo 17, was Schmitt legally a pilot (i.e. military certification or a civilian license)? He may have met NASA's requirements, but that's not what this question is about. If not, perhaps that would make him NASA's only pilot-class astronaut who wasn't legally a pilot.

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  "he was the first astronaut who hadn't previously been a military pilot " Well, one of the first. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_Astronaut_Group_4 The first to fly.
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Geologist Harrison Schmitt was Lunar Module Pilot for Apollo 17 and the last person to arrive on the moon. He was the only real scientist to walk on the moon.

Schmitt had all of the training that other Apollo astronauts received, and was qualified to fly both the CM and LM. However, he was the first astronaut who hadn't previously been a military pilot (and prior to Apollo 17, all had been military test pilots). His Wikipedia article notes:

Following his selection, Schmitt spent his first year at Air Force UPT learning to become a jet pilot.

However, that doesn't tell me if he completed military pilot training, or if he had a civilian pilot's license.

At the time of Apollo 17, was Schmitt legally a pilot (i.e. military certification or a civilian license)? He may have met NASA's requirements, but that's not what this question is about. If not, perhaps that would make him NASA's only pilot-class astronaut who wasn't legally a pilot.

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According to his bio for the Heartland Institute:

Dr. Schmitt was selected as a scientist-astronaut by NASA in June 1965. He later completed a 53-week course in flight training at Williams Air Force Base, Arizona.

So I believe that year of flight training did yield a military certification.

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According to the FAA Airman Search Harrison Schmitt did not hold a Civil (FAA) Pilot Certificate during his flight to the moon, in fact, the only Civil Certificate Harrison holds is a Student Pilot Certificate issued on 4/18/2018. (The FAA does keep records going back to the 60s and before, see Maurice D Watson)

This does not preclude the possibility he was issued an Air Force Jet Pilot Certificate (this seems likely). He was trained (along with the rest of the 1965 Scientist Group) to Fly Jet Trainers at Williams AFB, in Arizona, the location of the 3525th Pilot Training Wing.

I believe Schmitt held an Air Force Jet Pilot Certificate at the time he went to the moon.

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According to his bio for the Heartland Institute:

Dr. Schmitt was selected as a scientist-astronaut by NASA in June 1965. He later completed a 53-week course in flight training at Williams Air Force Base, Arizona.

So I believe that year of flight training did yield a military certification.

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According to his bio for the Heartland Institute:

Dr. Schmitt was selected as a scientist-astronaut by NASA in June 1965. He later completed a 53-week course in flight training at Williams Air Force Base, Arizona.

So I believe that year of flight training did yield a military certification.

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According to his bio for the Heartland Institute:

Dr. Schmitt was selected as a scientist-astronaut by NASA in June 1965. He later completed a 53-week course in flight training at Williams Air Force Base, Arizona.

So I believe that year of flight training did yield a military certification.

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According to the FAA Airman Search Harrison Schmitt did not hold a Civil (FAA) Pilot Certificate during his flight to the moon, in fact, the only Civil Certificate Harrison holds is a Student Pilot Certificate issued on 4/18/2018. (The FAA does keep records going back to the 60s and before, see Maurice D Watson)

This does not preclude the possibility he was issued an Air Force Jet Pilot Certificate (this seems likely). He was trained (along with the rest of the 1965 Scientist Group) to Fly Jet Trainers at Williams AFB, in Arizona, the location of the 3525th Pilot Training Wing.

I believe Schmitt held an Air Force Jet Pilot Certificate at the time he went to the moon.

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According to the FAA Airman Search Harrison Schmitt did not hold a Civil (FAA) Pilot Certificate during his flight to the moon, in fact, the only Civil Certificate Harrison holds is a Student Pilot Certificate issued on 4/18/2018. (The FAA does keep records going back to the 60s and before, see Maurice D Watson)

This does not preclude the possibility he was issued an Air Force Jet Pilot Certificate (this seems likely). He was trained (along with the rest of the 1965 Scientist Group) to Fly Jet Trainers at Williams AFB, in Arizona, the location of the 3525th Pilot Training Wing.

I believe Schmitt held an Air Force Jet Pilot Certificate at the time he went to the moon.

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According to the FAA Airman Search Harrison Schmitt did not hold a Civil (FAA) Pilot Certificate during his flight to the moon, in fact, the only Civil Certificate Harrison holds is a Student Pilot Certificate issued on 4/18/2018. (The FAA does keep records going back to the 60s and before, see Maurice D Watson)

This does not preclude the possibility he was issued an Air Force Jet Pilot Certificate (this seems likely). He was trained (along with the rest of the 1965 Scientist Group) to Fly Jet Trainers at Williams AFB, in Arizona, the location of the 3525th Pilot Training Wing.

I believe Schmitt held an Air Force Jet Pilot Certificate at the time he went to the moon.

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