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Help differentating $f(x) = sqrtfrac{x^2-1}{x^2+1}$


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The equation I'm trying to differentiate is, $ f(x) = sqrtfrac{x^2-1}{x^2+1}$ and I know the answer is meant to be



$$=frac{frac{xsqrt {x^2+1}}{sqrt {x^2-1}}-frac{xsqrt {x^2-1}}{sqrt {x^2+1}}}{x^2+1}$$



But when I do the working out I get this



$$=frac{(x^2-1)^frac{1}{2}}{(x^2+1)^frac{1}{2}}$$



$$=frac{frac{1}{2}(x^2-1)^frac{-1}{2}cdot2xcdot(x^2+1)^frac{1}{2}-(x^2-1)^frac{1}{2}cdotfrac{1}{2}(x^2+1)^frac{-1}{2}cdot2x}{x^2+1}$$



simplify
$$=frac{x(x^2-1)^frac{-1}{2}cdot(x^2+1)^frac{1}{2}-(x^2-1)^frac{1}{2}cdot x(x^2+1)^frac{-1}{2}}{x^2+1}$$



$$=frac{frac{sqrt {x^2+1}}{xsqrt {x^2-1}}-frac{sqrt {x^2-1}}{xsqrt {x^2+1}}}{x^2+1}$$



As you can see two of my $x$'s are in the wrong location, and I just can't figure out what I'm doing wrong. Any help as to what steps I'm doing wrong or missing would be much appreciated.










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    my reasoning for putting the two $x$'s on the bottom is because they're apart of $x(x^2-1)^frac{-1}{2}$ and $x(x^2+1)^frac{-1}{2}$, and both have negative exponents.
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    @DrMolo As I explained in my updated answer, the $frac{-1}{2}$ powers only apply to the expressions in the brackets, i.e., the $x^2 - 1$ and $x^2 + 1$. As the $x$ factors are outside of the brackets, they are not affected by that. For example, $x(x^2 - 1)^{frac{-1}{2}} = xleft((x^2 - 1)^{frac{-1}{2}}right)$.
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The equation I'm trying to differentiate is, $ f(x) = sqrtfrac{x^2-1}{x^2+1}$ and I know the answer is meant to be



$$=frac{frac{xsqrt {x^2+1}}{sqrt {x^2-1}}-frac{xsqrt {x^2-1}}{sqrt {x^2+1}}}{x^2+1}$$



But when I do the working out I get this



$$=frac{(x^2-1)^frac{1}{2}}{(x^2+1)^frac{1}{2}}$$



$$=frac{frac{1}{2}(x^2-1)^frac{-1}{2}cdot2xcdot(x^2+1)^frac{1}{2}-(x^2-1)^frac{1}{2}cdotfrac{1}{2}(x^2+1)^frac{-1}{2}cdot2x}{x^2+1}$$



simplify
$$=frac{x(x^2-1)^frac{-1}{2}cdot(x^2+1)^frac{1}{2}-(x^2-1)^frac{1}{2}cdot x(x^2+1)^frac{-1}{2}}{x^2+1}$$



$$=frac{frac{sqrt {x^2+1}}{xsqrt {x^2-1}}-frac{sqrt {x^2-1}}{xsqrt {x^2+1}}}{x^2+1}$$



As you can see two of my $x$'s are in the wrong location, and I just can't figure out what I'm doing wrong. Any help as to what steps I'm doing wrong or missing would be much appreciated.










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    @DrMolo As I explained in my updated answer, the $frac{-1}{2}$ powers only apply to the expressions in the brackets, i.e., the $x^2 - 1$ and $x^2 + 1$. As the $x$ factors are outside of the brackets, they are not affected by that. For example, $x(x^2 - 1)^{frac{-1}{2}} = xleft((x^2 - 1)^{frac{-1}{2}}right)$.
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The equation I'm trying to differentiate is, $ f(x) = sqrtfrac{x^2-1}{x^2+1}$ and I know the answer is meant to be



$$=frac{frac{xsqrt {x^2+1}}{sqrt {x^2-1}}-frac{xsqrt {x^2-1}}{sqrt {x^2+1}}}{x^2+1}$$



But when I do the working out I get this



$$=frac{(x^2-1)^frac{1}{2}}{(x^2+1)^frac{1}{2}}$$



$$=frac{frac{1}{2}(x^2-1)^frac{-1}{2}cdot2xcdot(x^2+1)^frac{1}{2}-(x^2-1)^frac{1}{2}cdotfrac{1}{2}(x^2+1)^frac{-1}{2}cdot2x}{x^2+1}$$



simplify
$$=frac{x(x^2-1)^frac{-1}{2}cdot(x^2+1)^frac{1}{2}-(x^2-1)^frac{1}{2}cdot x(x^2+1)^frac{-1}{2}}{x^2+1}$$



$$=frac{frac{sqrt {x^2+1}}{xsqrt {x^2-1}}-frac{sqrt {x^2-1}}{xsqrt {x^2+1}}}{x^2+1}$$



As you can see two of my $x$'s are in the wrong location, and I just can't figure out what I'm doing wrong. Any help as to what steps I'm doing wrong or missing would be much appreciated.










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The equation I'm trying to differentiate is, $ f(x) = sqrtfrac{x^2-1}{x^2+1}$ and I know the answer is meant to be



$$=frac{frac{xsqrt {x^2+1}}{sqrt {x^2-1}}-frac{xsqrt {x^2-1}}{sqrt {x^2+1}}}{x^2+1}$$



But when I do the working out I get this



$$=frac{(x^2-1)^frac{1}{2}}{(x^2+1)^frac{1}{2}}$$



$$=frac{frac{1}{2}(x^2-1)^frac{-1}{2}cdot2xcdot(x^2+1)^frac{1}{2}-(x^2-1)^frac{1}{2}cdotfrac{1}{2}(x^2+1)^frac{-1}{2}cdot2x}{x^2+1}$$



simplify
$$=frac{x(x^2-1)^frac{-1}{2}cdot(x^2+1)^frac{1}{2}-(x^2-1)^frac{1}{2}cdot x(x^2+1)^frac{-1}{2}}{x^2+1}$$



$$=frac{frac{sqrt {x^2+1}}{xsqrt {x^2-1}}-frac{sqrt {x^2-1}}{xsqrt {x^2+1}}}{x^2+1}$$



As you can see two of my $x$'s are in the wrong location, and I just can't figure out what I'm doing wrong. Any help as to what steps I'm doing wrong or missing would be much appreciated.







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    @DrMolo As I explained in my updated answer, the $frac{-1}{2}$ powers only apply to the expressions in the brackets, i.e., the $x^2 - 1$ and $x^2 + 1$. As the $x$ factors are outside of the brackets, they are not affected by that. For example, $x(x^2 - 1)^{frac{-1}{2}} = xleft((x^2 - 1)^{frac{-1}{2}}right)$.
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    @DrMolo As I explained in my updated answer, the $frac{-1}{2}$ powers only apply to the expressions in the brackets, i.e., the $x^2 - 1$ and $x^2 + 1$. As the $x$ factors are outside of the brackets, they are not affected by that. For example, $x(x^2 - 1)^{frac{-1}{2}} = xleft((x^2 - 1)^{frac{-1}{2}}right)$.
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@DrMolo As I explained in my updated answer, the $frac{-1}{2}$ powers only apply to the expressions in the brackets, i.e., the $x^2 - 1$ and $x^2 + 1$. As the $x$ factors are outside of the brackets, they are not affected by that. For example, $x(x^2 - 1)^{frac{-1}{2}} = xleft((x^2 - 1)^{frac{-1}{2}}right)$.
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Going from your second last line to the last line, you put the $x$ factors into the denominator. Instead, you need to leave them in the numerator. This is because the power of $frac{-1}{2}$ only apply to the expressions in the brackets, but the $x$ factors are outside of the brackets, so they are not affected. Thus, for example, with the first term in the numerator, you have



$$begin{equation}begin{aligned}
x(x^2-1)^frac{-1}{2}cdot(x^2+1)^frac{1}{2} & = xleft((x^2-1)^frac{-1}{2}cdot(x^2+1)^frac{1}{2}right) \
& = xleft(frac{sqrt {x^2+1}}{sqrt {x^2-1}}right) \
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    You have erroneously transposed the two lone $x$'s in the second-last line into $1/x$'s in the last. (That is, they incongrously turn from being mulitplied with the radicals to dividing them.)



    $$=frac{color{blue}x(x^2-1)^frac{-1}{2}cdot(x^2+1)^frac{1}{2}-(x^2-1)^frac{1}{2}cdot color{blue}x(x^2+1)^frac{-1}{2}}{x^2+1}$$



    $$=frac{frac{sqrt {x^2+1}}{color{red}xsqrt {x^2-1}}-frac{sqrt {x^2-1}}{color{red}xsqrt {x^2+1}}}{x^2+1}$$






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      When you face expressions which contains products, quotients, powers, logarithmic differentiation makes life easier.



      $$y= sqrtfrac{x^2-1}{x^2+1}implies log(y)=frac 12 log(x^2-1)-frac 12 log(x^2+1)$$ Differentiate both sides
      $$frac {y'} y=frac 12 frac {2x}{x^2-1}-frac 12 frac {2x}{x^2+1}=frac{2x}{(x^2-1)(x^2+1)}$$



      $$y'=ytimesfrac {y'} y=sqrtfrac{x^2-1}{x^2+1}timesfrac{2x}{(x^2-1)(x^2+1)}$$ and simplify.






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        Going from your second last line to the last line, you put the $x$ factors into the denominator. Instead, you need to leave them in the numerator. This is because the power of $frac{-1}{2}$ only apply to the expressions in the brackets, but the $x$ factors are outside of the brackets, so they are not affected. Thus, for example, with the first term in the numerator, you have



        $$begin{equation}begin{aligned}
        x(x^2-1)^frac{-1}{2}cdot(x^2+1)^frac{1}{2} & = xleft((x^2-1)^frac{-1}{2}cdot(x^2+1)^frac{1}{2}right) \
        & = xleft(frac{sqrt {x^2+1}}{sqrt {x^2-1}}right) \
        & = frac{xsqrt {x^2+1}}{sqrt {x^2-1}}
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          Going from your second last line to the last line, you put the $x$ factors into the denominator. Instead, you need to leave them in the numerator. This is because the power of $frac{-1}{2}$ only apply to the expressions in the brackets, but the $x$ factors are outside of the brackets, so they are not affected. Thus, for example, with the first term in the numerator, you have



          $$begin{equation}begin{aligned}
          x(x^2-1)^frac{-1}{2}cdot(x^2+1)^frac{1}{2} & = xleft((x^2-1)^frac{-1}{2}cdot(x^2+1)^frac{1}{2}right) \
          & = xleft(frac{sqrt {x^2+1}}{sqrt {x^2-1}}right) \
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            Going from your second last line to the last line, you put the $x$ factors into the denominator. Instead, you need to leave them in the numerator. This is because the power of $frac{-1}{2}$ only apply to the expressions in the brackets, but the $x$ factors are outside of the brackets, so they are not affected. Thus, for example, with the first term in the numerator, you have



            $$begin{equation}begin{aligned}
            x(x^2-1)^frac{-1}{2}cdot(x^2+1)^frac{1}{2} & = xleft((x^2-1)^frac{-1}{2}cdot(x^2+1)^frac{1}{2}right) \
            & = xleft(frac{sqrt {x^2+1}}{sqrt {x^2-1}}right) \
            & = frac{xsqrt {x^2+1}}{sqrt {x^2-1}}
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            Going from your second last line to the last line, you put the $x$ factors into the denominator. Instead, you need to leave them in the numerator. This is because the power of $frac{-1}{2}$ only apply to the expressions in the brackets, but the $x$ factors are outside of the brackets, so they are not affected. Thus, for example, with the first term in the numerator, you have



            $$begin{equation}begin{aligned}
            x(x^2-1)^frac{-1}{2}cdot(x^2+1)^frac{1}{2} & = xleft((x^2-1)^frac{-1}{2}cdot(x^2+1)^frac{1}{2}right) \
            & = xleft(frac{sqrt {x^2+1}}{sqrt {x^2-1}}right) \
            & = frac{xsqrt {x^2+1}}{sqrt {x^2-1}}
            end{aligned}end{equation}tag{1}label{eq1}$$







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                You have erroneously transposed the two lone $x$'s in the second-last line into $1/x$'s in the last. (That is, they incongrously turn from being mulitplied with the radicals to dividing them.)



                $$=frac{color{blue}x(x^2-1)^frac{-1}{2}cdot(x^2+1)^frac{1}{2}-(x^2-1)^frac{1}{2}cdot color{blue}x(x^2+1)^frac{-1}{2}}{x^2+1}$$



                $$=frac{frac{sqrt {x^2+1}}{color{red}xsqrt {x^2-1}}-frac{sqrt {x^2-1}}{color{red}xsqrt {x^2+1}}}{x^2+1}$$






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                  You have erroneously transposed the two lone $x$'s in the second-last line into $1/x$'s in the last. (That is, they incongrously turn from being mulitplied with the radicals to dividing them.)



                  $$=frac{color{blue}x(x^2-1)^frac{-1}{2}cdot(x^2+1)^frac{1}{2}-(x^2-1)^frac{1}{2}cdot color{blue}x(x^2+1)^frac{-1}{2}}{x^2+1}$$



                  $$=frac{frac{sqrt {x^2+1}}{color{red}xsqrt {x^2-1}}-frac{sqrt {x^2-1}}{color{red}xsqrt {x^2+1}}}{x^2+1}$$






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                    You have erroneously transposed the two lone $x$'s in the second-last line into $1/x$'s in the last. (That is, they incongrously turn from being mulitplied with the radicals to dividing them.)



                    $$=frac{color{blue}x(x^2-1)^frac{-1}{2}cdot(x^2+1)^frac{1}{2}-(x^2-1)^frac{1}{2}cdot color{blue}x(x^2+1)^frac{-1}{2}}{x^2+1}$$



                    $$=frac{frac{sqrt {x^2+1}}{color{red}xsqrt {x^2-1}}-frac{sqrt {x^2-1}}{color{red}xsqrt {x^2+1}}}{x^2+1}$$






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                    You have erroneously transposed the two lone $x$'s in the second-last line into $1/x$'s in the last. (That is, they incongrously turn from being mulitplied with the radicals to dividing them.)



                    $$=frac{color{blue}x(x^2-1)^frac{-1}{2}cdot(x^2+1)^frac{1}{2}-(x^2-1)^frac{1}{2}cdot color{blue}x(x^2+1)^frac{-1}{2}}{x^2+1}$$



                    $$=frac{frac{sqrt {x^2+1}}{color{red}xsqrt {x^2-1}}-frac{sqrt {x^2-1}}{color{red}xsqrt {x^2+1}}}{x^2+1}$$







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                        Just a small trick.



                        When you face expressions which contains products, quotients, powers, logarithmic differentiation makes life easier.



                        $$y= sqrtfrac{x^2-1}{x^2+1}implies log(y)=frac 12 log(x^2-1)-frac 12 log(x^2+1)$$ Differentiate both sides
                        $$frac {y'} y=frac 12 frac {2x}{x^2-1}-frac 12 frac {2x}{x^2+1}=frac{2x}{(x^2-1)(x^2+1)}$$



                        $$y'=ytimesfrac {y'} y=sqrtfrac{x^2-1}{x^2+1}timesfrac{2x}{(x^2-1)(x^2+1)}$$ and simplify.






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                          When you face expressions which contains products, quotients, powers, logarithmic differentiation makes life easier.



                          $$y= sqrtfrac{x^2-1}{x^2+1}implies log(y)=frac 12 log(x^2-1)-frac 12 log(x^2+1)$$ Differentiate both sides
                          $$frac {y'} y=frac 12 frac {2x}{x^2-1}-frac 12 frac {2x}{x^2+1}=frac{2x}{(x^2-1)(x^2+1)}$$



                          $$y'=ytimesfrac {y'} y=sqrtfrac{x^2-1}{x^2+1}timesfrac{2x}{(x^2-1)(x^2+1)}$$ and simplify.






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                            Just a small trick.



                            When you face expressions which contains products, quotients, powers, logarithmic differentiation makes life easier.



                            $$y= sqrtfrac{x^2-1}{x^2+1}implies log(y)=frac 12 log(x^2-1)-frac 12 log(x^2+1)$$ Differentiate both sides
                            $$frac {y'} y=frac 12 frac {2x}{x^2-1}-frac 12 frac {2x}{x^2+1}=frac{2x}{(x^2-1)(x^2+1)}$$



                            $$y'=ytimesfrac {y'} y=sqrtfrac{x^2-1}{x^2+1}timesfrac{2x}{(x^2-1)(x^2+1)}$$ and simplify.






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                            Just a small trick.



                            When you face expressions which contains products, quotients, powers, logarithmic differentiation makes life easier.



                            $$y= sqrtfrac{x^2-1}{x^2+1}implies log(y)=frac 12 log(x^2-1)-frac 12 log(x^2+1)$$ Differentiate both sides
                            $$frac {y'} y=frac 12 frac {2x}{x^2-1}-frac 12 frac {2x}{x^2+1}=frac{2x}{(x^2-1)(x^2+1)}$$



                            $$y'=ytimesfrac {y'} y=sqrtfrac{x^2-1}{x^2+1}timesfrac{2x}{(x^2-1)(x^2+1)}$$ and simplify.







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