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Been writing something and was wondering how I should notate these measures to ensure readability.

These three ideas are floating around in my head but if anyone else has input please send it my way.

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  Ledger lines are usually not a problem if one of the notes is on the staff, as long as the intervals are not too big. For example, in the first measure I can tell at a glance that the interval is a fifth, so I only need to look at the upper note to know what to play. I don't need to count ledger lines.
  
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Been writing something and was wondering how I should notate these measures to ensure readability.

These three ideas are floating around in my head but if anyone else has input please send it my way.

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  Ledger lines are usually not a problem if one of the notes is on the staff, as long as the intervals are not too big. For example, in the first measure I can tell at a glance that the interval is a fifth, so I only need to look at the upper note to know what to play. I don't need to count ledger lines.
  
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  I need to ask: how did you come up with the first one?
  
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Been writing something and was wondering how I should notate these measures to ensure readability.

These three ideas are floating around in my head but if anyone else has input please send it my way.

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Certainly not the first. The second is unobjectionable. But why not the third? It's the standard notation, and is just fine.

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I'd go with the second or the third, depending on the clef that you need before and after this passage.

The first one feels more uncomfortable that the others.

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  Did you mean "second or the third"?
  
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  I believe OP did mean 2nd or 3rd. These are the opening measures and they lead into a passage with standard treble and bass clefs. I will press on with number three.
  
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I'd guess you're trying to improve readability by reducing the use of ledger lines? below or above? The thing is, the piano is an instrument which is notable for it's range (on paper, a wider range of pitches than a standard orchestra). So pianists have to handle these a lot, and most will be used to reading off either end of the score (depending on their level of ability).

I'd usually consider using 8va marks or changing clef if...

• The entire passage is outside of the clef.


• It's a repetition of a previous passage, moved up or down by an octave (I.E. so the score looks the same with the octave shift).


• You've having to space the staves further apart to fit the stray notes in.


• The pianist needs to literally sit in a different place to play the piece.

These are just guidelines, anyway. There's a judgement call to be made here.

---

Also worth considering, if your player is uncomfortable with this, you could try inverting the two notes in the right hand. With the repeating F at the bottom and the moving line played above it. (This would have the dual effect of making the moving notes act as the main melody. Which is probably better if it's a solo piano piece, but might steal attention if there's also a melodic instrument playing).

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17

Certainly not the first. The second is unobjectionable. But why not the third? It's the standard notation, and is just fine.

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  @ConnorSannipoli No worse than the second option.
  
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Certainly not the first. The second is unobjectionable. But why not the third? It's the standard notation, and is just fine.

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  Fair point. I suppose there really aren't that many ledger lines now that I think about it.
  
  – Connor Sannipoli
  20 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  @ConnorSannipoli No worse than the second option.
  
  – Chipster
  15 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

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Certainly not the first. The second is unobjectionable. But why not the third? It's the standard notation, and is just fine.

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I'd go with the second or the third, depending on the clef that you need before and after this passage.

The first one feels more uncomfortable that the others.

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• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Did you mean "second or the third"?
  
  – Richard
  23 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  I believe OP did mean 2nd or 3rd. These are the opening measures and they lead into a passage with standard treble and bass clefs. I will press on with number three.
  
  – Connor Sannipoli
  20 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Right, that was a typo.
  
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  19 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

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I'd go with the second or the third, depending on the clef that you need before and after this passage.

The first one feels more uncomfortable that the others.

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answered 23 hours ago

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• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Did you mean "second or the third"?
  
  – Richard
  23 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  I believe OP did mean 2nd or 3rd. These are the opening measures and they lead into a passage with standard treble and bass clefs. I will press on with number three.
  
  – Connor Sannipoli
  20 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Right, that was a typo.
  
  – 89f3a1c
  19 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

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I'd go with the second or the third, depending on the clef that you need before and after this passage.

The first one feels more uncomfortable that the others.

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answered 23 hours ago

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answered 23 hours ago

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I'd guess you're trying to improve readability by reducing the use of ledger lines? below or above? The thing is, the piano is an instrument which is notable for it's range (on paper, a wider range of pitches than a standard orchestra). So pianists have to handle these a lot, and most will be used to reading off either end of the score (depending on their level of ability).

I'd usually consider using 8va marks or changing clef if...

• The entire passage is outside of the clef.


• It's a repetition of a previous passage, moved up or down by an octave (I.E. so the score looks the same with the octave shift).


• You've having to space the staves further apart to fit the stray notes in.


• The pianist needs to literally sit in a different place to play the piece.

These are just guidelines, anyway. There's a judgement call to be made here.

---

Also worth considering, if your player is uncomfortable with this, you could try inverting the two notes in the right hand. With the repeating F at the bottom and the moving line played above it. (This would have the dual effect of making the moving notes act as the main melody. Which is probably better if it's a solo piano piece, but might steal attention if there's also a melodic instrument playing).

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I'd guess you're trying to improve readability by reducing the use of ledger lines? below or above? The thing is, the piano is an instrument which is notable for it's range (on paper, a wider range of pitches than a standard orchestra). So pianists have to handle these a lot, and most will be used to reading off either end of the score (depending on their level of ability).

I'd usually consider using 8va marks or changing clef if...

• The entire passage is outside of the clef.


• It's a repetition of a previous passage, moved up or down by an octave (I.E. so the score looks the same with the octave shift).


• You've having to space the staves further apart to fit the stray notes in.


• The pianist needs to literally sit in a different place to play the piece.

These are just guidelines, anyway. There's a judgement call to be made here.

---

Also worth considering, if your player is uncomfortable with this, you could try inverting the two notes in the right hand. With the repeating F at the bottom and the moving line played above it. (This would have the dual effect of making the moving notes act as the main melody. Which is probably better if it's a solo piano piece, but might steal attention if there's also a melodic instrument playing).

share|improve this answer

answered 8 hours ago

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I'd guess you're trying to improve readability by reducing the use of ledger lines? below or above? The thing is, the piano is an instrument which is notable for it's range (on paper, a wider range of pitches than a standard orchestra). So pianists have to handle these a lot, and most will be used to reading off either end of the score (depending on their level of ability).

I'd usually consider using 8va marks or changing clef if...

• The entire passage is outside of the clef.


• It's a repetition of a previous passage, moved up or down by an octave (I.E. so the score looks the same with the octave shift).


• You've having to space the staves further apart to fit the stray notes in.


• The pianist needs to literally sit in a different place to play the piece.

These are just guidelines, anyway. There's a judgement call to be made here.

---

Also worth considering, if your player is uncomfortable with this, you could try inverting the two notes in the right hand. With the repeating F at the bottom and the moving line played above it. (This would have the dual effect of making the moving notes act as the main melody. Which is probably better if it's a solo piano piece, but might steal attention if there's also a melodic instrument playing).

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