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Alice's body is found inside a locked room. She had been getting ready for the day, and had only just gotten out of the shower and had written a letter when she died. The police had to break the door down in order to enter. In the room they find the following:
- A pen
- A cup of tea, half drunk.
- Trash can, including a used teabag
- Lipstick, open.
- Letter sealed in novelty envelope
- A humidifier, still running when the police arrive
- The broken chain from the door lock
- The broken latch from the door lock
The police discover that Alice has been poisoned by Cyanide! Immediately, the tea is tested, but there is no poison in the tea. Forensics confirm that Alice consumed the poison in the room! But how?
Can you solve Alice's murder?
Hint:
The murder method has nothing to do with her shower, or anything in the bathroom. She was killed by one of the items listed.
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Alice's body is found inside a locked room. She had been getting ready for the day, and had only just gotten out of the shower and had written a letter when she died. The police had to break the door down in order to enter. In the room they find the following:
- A pen
- A cup of tea, half drunk.
- Trash can, including a used teabag
- Lipstick, open.
- Letter sealed in novelty envelope
- A humidifier, still running when the police arrive
- The broken chain from the door lock
- The broken latch from the door lock
The police discover that Alice has been poisoned by Cyanide! Immediately, the tea is tested, but there is no poison in the tea. Forensics confirm that Alice consumed the poison in the room! But how?
Can you solve Alice's murder?
Hint:
The murder method has nothing to do with her shower, or anything in the bathroom. She was killed by one of the items listed.
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Alice's body is found inside a locked room. She had been getting ready for the day, and had only just gotten out of the shower and had written a letter when she died. The police had to break the door down in order to enter. In the room they find the following:
- A pen
- A cup of tea, half drunk.
- Trash can, including a used teabag
- Lipstick, open.
- Letter sealed in novelty envelope
- A humidifier, still running when the police arrive
- The broken chain from the door lock
- The broken latch from the door lock
The police discover that Alice has been poisoned by Cyanide! Immediately, the tea is tested, but there is no poison in the tea. Forensics confirm that Alice consumed the poison in the room! But how?
Can you solve Alice's murder?
Hint:
The murder method has nothing to do with her shower, or anything in the bathroom. She was killed by one of the items listed.
story mystery
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Alice's body is found inside a locked room. She had been getting ready for the day, and had only just gotten out of the shower and had written a letter when she died. The police had to break the door down in order to enter. In the room they find the following:
- A pen
- A cup of tea, half drunk.
- Trash can, including a used teabag
- Lipstick, open.
- Letter sealed in novelty envelope
- A humidifier, still running when the police arrive
- The broken chain from the door lock
- The broken latch from the door lock
The police discover that Alice has been poisoned by Cyanide! Immediately, the tea is tested, but there is no poison in the tea. Forensics confirm that Alice consumed the poison in the room! But how?
Can you solve Alice's murder?
Hint:
The murder method has nothing to do with her shower, or anything in the bathroom. She was killed by one of the items listed.
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I suspect the cyanide was hidden
on the envelope, as it's common practice to seal it using your tongue.
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+1 for quick solution! I will accept the answer once the mandatory waiting period expires
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Or on the stamp.
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– Florian F
6 hours ago
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@GridAlien - Could have been in the lipstick, too, no?
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Seems like the murder has been watching too much Seinfeld...
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– Nuclear Wang
1 hour ago
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It's also possible that:
The cyanide was in the lipstick. If it is open, the riddle implies that could have been used. Lipstick can be put on anywhere, not just in the bathroom.
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Was trying to imply that this was not possible, as she had just gotten out of the shower, hadn't yet reached that stage of getting ready. +1 for thinking of it
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Thanks. And at least you know now so you can better your next riddle!
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– Rewan Demontay
23 hours ago
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@GridAlien rot13(crbcyr qba'g rng yvcfgvpx fb gur vagraqrq nafjre vf jnl zber yvxryl!)
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– Adam
22 hours ago
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@Adam While I agree with you, it's still TECHNICALLY a possibility! ;)
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If the lipstick is open, it suggests it was being used.
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Another possibility could be
I'm no chem expert but a quick google search says Cyanide could exist in the air in the form of Hydrogen Cyanide, which could've been added in this case through the humidifier.
Although
Since the humidifier was still running when the room was opened, it would also kill anyone who enters the room too, or at least cause some adverse effects.
Edit :
If the killer was a good engineer he/she could tamper the humidifier to only emit poisonous Hydrogen Cyanide for a certain amount of time, this would ensure that anyone who enters the room later on will not be affected as severely. Still keeping in mind that would leave traces of the poison in the air. But most of it could leave through any openings in the door.
Edit 2:
Nothing to see here, Thanks to @Loong, we know this edit to be pointless.
My friend informs me, The International Standard Atmosphere states the density of air is 1.225 kg/m³ at sea level and 15° C. Hydrogen Cyanide is extremely dense at 687 kg/m³, it would not disperse in the air and immediately fall low to the ground. Rendering the poison ineffective. So there's that theory down the drain.
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All hail science! :-D
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– Rewan Demontay
22 hours ago
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But the forensics confirmed that Alice rot13(pbafhzrq, abg vaunyrq) plus they also confirmed that rot13(gurer jnfa'g n genpr bs plnavqr va gur grn). Also, based on the circumstances rot13(Nyvpr jbhyq or yrff yvxryl gb qvr ol gur uhzvqvsvre guna gur vairfgvtngvba grnz qhr gb znal ernfbaf). Oh and rot13(gur vairfgvtngvba grnz zhfg'ir fcrag zber gvzr vafvqr gur ebbz guna Nyvpr)
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– Adam
22 hours ago
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pbafhzrq, abg vaunyrq that'd be a good point if rot13(gurer'f n qvfgvapgvba orgjrra gur gjb), rot13(Jul jbhyq gurer or hayrff Ulqebtra Plnavqr pna ernpg jvgu gur grn ryrzragf?) the other two arguments seem to counter each other, I'm not sure what to say to that, except I did add that bit in my answer.
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– Abbas
21 hours ago
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However these are all shots in the dark, I feel we need a real chemist to accredit or discredit the theory.
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– Abbas
20 hours ago
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The density mentioned in your "Edit 2" is for liquid HCN. At typical room temperatures, however, HCN has a vapour pressure of about 800–1000 hPa; i.e. HCN would evaporate quickly and not form a liquid.
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She was well-known among her friends for chewing on the end of her pen, especially while thinking about what to write. The murderer is obviously a close friend of hers, and the poison was applied only on the very tip of her pen, impossible for the police to find.
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I did not read the answers, but I believe that she licked the envelope, and the adhesive layer was poisoned with cyanide.
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It's not reasonable to be running a humidifier during or after a shower, as the shower itself will accomplish that function. We may thus find it likely that the humidifier was interfered with. If it was an ultrasonic humidifier, it would form a mist from the liquid in the reservoir. If that liquid were spiked with a cyanide salt such as potassium cyanide, the victim would consume it by inhalation.
Edit: this answer does not account for the locked door, so I consider this to not be a great solution. (It would be cheating to add "and the attacker had a key", since that's against the spirit of the question design: the door was not opened from the outside.)
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You might want to read the other answers, one of which covers this possibility (and notes why it isn't applicable).
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– Rubio♦
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@Rubio I found that the answer you mention did not address any of my points. However, I will add a clarification (regarding the exact compound) to distinguish further. See this reference which describes that this delivery mechanism is plausible, regardless of what the other answer claimed: cdc.gov/niosh/ershdb/emergencyresponsecard_29750037.html
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Also, the ROT13 thing is driving me nuts, so I can't argue this any further. If my points as written are not convincing, I nonetheless have to let them stand.
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– piojo
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@piojo Me too. The worst is comments that start in english and end in gibberish. Please stackoverflow, add spoiler tags that work in comments!
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– Florian F
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Sorry, I forgot to say that the symptoms are a huge problem with this delivery method. There is a clear difference between the different exposures so the investigation wouldn't mix them up. However, the main flaw is actually how death can occur in minutes - it is unreasonable for the humidifier to be running during her shower. Then it must've been switched on while she was writing the letter. But if this is the case then it doesn't make sense why the humidifier was still running on discovery as the first thing I would do when feeling ill is turn it off! Keep in mind she finished the letter
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Another possible answer is:
The poison was planted inside the shower-head. Enough of that stuff gets on you in a shower and you might absorb it through your skin. Or some people might take a gulp of water while in the shower.
You might also want to check:
Any oral hygiene products in the bathroom - toothpaste, toothbrush, mouthwash, dental floss, etc. Many people use those during or after a shower. Generally you spit them out, but you might ingest enough from normal dental care to be lethal if there's cyanide in there. (Also, minty flavor would be a good way to mask the taste of the poison.)
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rot13(V guvax fur'q qvr vzzrqvngryl nsgre pbafhzvat gur cbvfba, plnavqr jbexf irel snfg, fur jbhyqa'g unir unq gur gvzr gb jevgr n yrggre be qb nalguvat.)
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– Abbas
3 hours ago
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Oh, whoops, I missed the hidden text in the hint that negates this answer - or was that added afterwards?
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I suspect the cyanide was hidden
on the envelope, as it's common practice to seal it using your tongue.
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+1 for quick solution! I will accept the answer once the mandatory waiting period expires
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– GridAlien
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Or on the stamp.
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– Florian F
6 hours ago
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@GridAlien - Could have been in the lipstick, too, no?
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– Voldemort's Wrath
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Seems like the murder has been watching too much Seinfeld...
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I suspect the cyanide was hidden
on the envelope, as it's common practice to seal it using your tongue.
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+1 for quick solution! I will accept the answer once the mandatory waiting period expires
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– GridAlien
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Or on the stamp.
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– Florian F
6 hours ago
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@GridAlien - Could have been in the lipstick, too, no?
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– Voldemort's Wrath
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Seems like the murder has been watching too much Seinfeld...
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I suspect the cyanide was hidden
on the envelope, as it's common practice to seal it using your tongue.
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I suspect the cyanide was hidden
on the envelope, as it's common practice to seal it using your tongue.
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+1 for quick solution! I will accept the answer once the mandatory waiting period expires
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– GridAlien
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Or on the stamp.
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– Florian F
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@GridAlien - Could have been in the lipstick, too, no?
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Seems like the murder has been watching too much Seinfeld...
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+1 for quick solution! I will accept the answer once the mandatory waiting period expires
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– GridAlien
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Or on the stamp.
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– Florian F
6 hours ago
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@GridAlien - Could have been in the lipstick, too, no?
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Seems like the murder has been watching too much Seinfeld...
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– Nuclear Wang
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+1 for quick solution! I will accept the answer once the mandatory waiting period expires
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+1 for quick solution! I will accept the answer once the mandatory waiting period expires
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Or on the stamp.
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– Florian F
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Or on the stamp.
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– Florian F
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@GridAlien - Could have been in the lipstick, too, no?
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@GridAlien - Could have been in the lipstick, too, no?
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Seems like the murder has been watching too much Seinfeld...
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– Nuclear Wang
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Seems like the murder has been watching too much Seinfeld...
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It's also possible that:
The cyanide was in the lipstick. If it is open, the riddle implies that could have been used. Lipstick can be put on anywhere, not just in the bathroom.
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Was trying to imply that this was not possible, as she had just gotten out of the shower, hadn't yet reached that stage of getting ready. +1 for thinking of it
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– GridAlien
23 hours ago
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Thanks. And at least you know now so you can better your next riddle!
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– Rewan Demontay
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@GridAlien rot13(crbcyr qba'g rng yvcfgvpx fb gur vagraqrq nafjre vf jnl zber yvxryl!)
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– Adam
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@Adam While I agree with you, it's still TECHNICALLY a possibility! ;)
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– Rewan Demontay
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If the lipstick is open, it suggests it was being used.
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It's also possible that:
The cyanide was in the lipstick. If it is open, the riddle implies that could have been used. Lipstick can be put on anywhere, not just in the bathroom.
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Was trying to imply that this was not possible, as she had just gotten out of the shower, hadn't yet reached that stage of getting ready. +1 for thinking of it
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– GridAlien
23 hours ago
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Thanks. And at least you know now so you can better your next riddle!
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– Rewan Demontay
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@GridAlien rot13(crbcyr qba'g rng yvcfgvpx fb gur vagraqrq nafjre vf jnl zber yvxryl!)
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– Adam
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@Adam While I agree with you, it's still TECHNICALLY a possibility! ;)
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– Rewan Demontay
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If the lipstick is open, it suggests it was being used.
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It's also possible that:
The cyanide was in the lipstick. If it is open, the riddle implies that could have been used. Lipstick can be put on anywhere, not just in the bathroom.
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It's also possible that:
The cyanide was in the lipstick. If it is open, the riddle implies that could have been used. Lipstick can be put on anywhere, not just in the bathroom.
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Was trying to imply that this was not possible, as she had just gotten out of the shower, hadn't yet reached that stage of getting ready. +1 for thinking of it
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Thanks. And at least you know now so you can better your next riddle!
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– Rewan Demontay
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@GridAlien rot13(crbcyr qba'g rng yvcfgvpx fb gur vagraqrq nafjre vf jnl zber yvxryl!)
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@Adam While I agree with you, it's still TECHNICALLY a possibility! ;)
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– Rewan Demontay
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If the lipstick is open, it suggests it was being used.
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Was trying to imply that this was not possible, as she had just gotten out of the shower, hadn't yet reached that stage of getting ready. +1 for thinking of it
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– GridAlien
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Thanks. And at least you know now so you can better your next riddle!
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– Rewan Demontay
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@GridAlien rot13(crbcyr qba'g rng yvcfgvpx fb gur vagraqrq nafjre vf jnl zber yvxryl!)
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– Adam
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@Adam While I agree with you, it's still TECHNICALLY a possibility! ;)
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– Rewan Demontay
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If the lipstick is open, it suggests it was being used.
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– Florian F
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Was trying to imply that this was not possible, as she had just gotten out of the shower, hadn't yet reached that stage of getting ready. +1 for thinking of it
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– GridAlien
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Was trying to imply that this was not possible, as she had just gotten out of the shower, hadn't yet reached that stage of getting ready. +1 for thinking of it
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– GridAlien
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Thanks. And at least you know now so you can better your next riddle!
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– Rewan Demontay
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Thanks. And at least you know now so you can better your next riddle!
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@GridAlien rot13(crbcyr qba'g rng yvcfgvpx fb gur vagraqrq nafjre vf jnl zber yvxryl!)
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@GridAlien rot13(crbcyr qba'g rng yvcfgvpx fb gur vagraqrq nafjre vf jnl zber yvxryl!)
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– Adam
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@Adam While I agree with you, it's still TECHNICALLY a possibility! ;)
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– Rewan Demontay
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@Adam While I agree with you, it's still TECHNICALLY a possibility! ;)
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If the lipstick is open, it suggests it was being used.
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Another possibility could be
I'm no chem expert but a quick google search says Cyanide could exist in the air in the form of Hydrogen Cyanide, which could've been added in this case through the humidifier.
Although
Since the humidifier was still running when the room was opened, it would also kill anyone who enters the room too, or at least cause some adverse effects.
Edit :
If the killer was a good engineer he/she could tamper the humidifier to only emit poisonous Hydrogen Cyanide for a certain amount of time, this would ensure that anyone who enters the room later on will not be affected as severely. Still keeping in mind that would leave traces of the poison in the air. But most of it could leave through any openings in the door.
Edit 2:
Nothing to see here, Thanks to @Loong, we know this edit to be pointless.
My friend informs me, The International Standard Atmosphere states the density of air is 1.225 kg/m³ at sea level and 15° C. Hydrogen Cyanide is extremely dense at 687 kg/m³, it would not disperse in the air and immediately fall low to the ground. Rendering the poison ineffective. So there's that theory down the drain.
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– Rewan Demontay
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But the forensics confirmed that Alice rot13(pbafhzrq, abg vaunyrq) plus they also confirmed that rot13(gurer jnfa'g n genpr bs plnavqr va gur grn). Also, based on the circumstances rot13(Nyvpr jbhyq or yrff yvxryl gb qvr ol gur uhzvqvsvre guna gur vairfgvtngvba grnz qhr gb znal ernfbaf). Oh and rot13(gur vairfgvtngvba grnz zhfg'ir fcrag zber gvzr vafvqr gur ebbz guna Nyvpr)
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– Adam
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pbafhzrq, abg vaunyrq that'd be a good point if rot13(gurer'f n qvfgvapgvba orgjrra gur gjb), rot13(Jul jbhyq gurer or hayrff Ulqebtra Plnavqr pna ernpg jvgu gur grn ryrzragf?) the other two arguments seem to counter each other, I'm not sure what to say to that, except I did add that bit in my answer.
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– Abbas
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However these are all shots in the dark, I feel we need a real chemist to accredit or discredit the theory.
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– Abbas
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The density mentioned in your "Edit 2" is for liquid HCN. At typical room temperatures, however, HCN has a vapour pressure of about 800–1000 hPa; i.e. HCN would evaporate quickly and not form a liquid.
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Another possibility could be
I'm no chem expert but a quick google search says Cyanide could exist in the air in the form of Hydrogen Cyanide, which could've been added in this case through the humidifier.
Although
Since the humidifier was still running when the room was opened, it would also kill anyone who enters the room too, or at least cause some adverse effects.
Edit :
If the killer was a good engineer he/she could tamper the humidifier to only emit poisonous Hydrogen Cyanide for a certain amount of time, this would ensure that anyone who enters the room later on will not be affected as severely. Still keeping in mind that would leave traces of the poison in the air. But most of it could leave through any openings in the door.
Edit 2:
Nothing to see here, Thanks to @Loong, we know this edit to be pointless.
My friend informs me, The International Standard Atmosphere states the density of air is 1.225 kg/m³ at sea level and 15° C. Hydrogen Cyanide is extremely dense at 687 kg/m³, it would not disperse in the air and immediately fall low to the ground. Rendering the poison ineffective. So there's that theory down the drain.
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All hail science! :-D
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– Rewan Demontay
22 hours ago
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But the forensics confirmed that Alice rot13(pbafhzrq, abg vaunyrq) plus they also confirmed that rot13(gurer jnfa'g n genpr bs plnavqr va gur grn). Also, based on the circumstances rot13(Nyvpr jbhyq or yrff yvxryl gb qvr ol gur uhzvqvsvre guna gur vairfgvtngvba grnz qhr gb znal ernfbaf). Oh and rot13(gur vairfgvtngvba grnz zhfg'ir fcrag zber gvzr vafvqr gur ebbz guna Nyvpr)
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– Adam
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pbafhzrq, abg vaunyrq that'd be a good point if rot13(gurer'f n qvfgvapgvba orgjrra gur gjb), rot13(Jul jbhyq gurer or hayrff Ulqebtra Plnavqr pna ernpg jvgu gur grn ryrzragf?) the other two arguments seem to counter each other, I'm not sure what to say to that, except I did add that bit in my answer.
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– Abbas
21 hours ago
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However these are all shots in the dark, I feel we need a real chemist to accredit or discredit the theory.
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– Abbas
20 hours ago
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The density mentioned in your "Edit 2" is for liquid HCN. At typical room temperatures, however, HCN has a vapour pressure of about 800–1000 hPa; i.e. HCN would evaporate quickly and not form a liquid.
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– Loong
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Another possibility could be
I'm no chem expert but a quick google search says Cyanide could exist in the air in the form of Hydrogen Cyanide, which could've been added in this case through the humidifier.
Although
Since the humidifier was still running when the room was opened, it would also kill anyone who enters the room too, or at least cause some adverse effects.
Edit :
If the killer was a good engineer he/she could tamper the humidifier to only emit poisonous Hydrogen Cyanide for a certain amount of time, this would ensure that anyone who enters the room later on will not be affected as severely. Still keeping in mind that would leave traces of the poison in the air. But most of it could leave through any openings in the door.
Edit 2:
Nothing to see here, Thanks to @Loong, we know this edit to be pointless.
My friend informs me, The International Standard Atmosphere states the density of air is 1.225 kg/m³ at sea level and 15° C. Hydrogen Cyanide is extremely dense at 687 kg/m³, it would not disperse in the air and immediately fall low to the ground. Rendering the poison ineffective. So there's that theory down the drain.
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Another possibility could be
I'm no chem expert but a quick google search says Cyanide could exist in the air in the form of Hydrogen Cyanide, which could've been added in this case through the humidifier.
Although
Since the humidifier was still running when the room was opened, it would also kill anyone who enters the room too, or at least cause some adverse effects.
Edit :
If the killer was a good engineer he/she could tamper the humidifier to only emit poisonous Hydrogen Cyanide for a certain amount of time, this would ensure that anyone who enters the room later on will not be affected as severely. Still keeping in mind that would leave traces of the poison in the air. But most of it could leave through any openings in the door.
Edit 2:
Nothing to see here, Thanks to @Loong, we know this edit to be pointless.
My friend informs me, The International Standard Atmosphere states the density of air is 1.225 kg/m³ at sea level and 15° C. Hydrogen Cyanide is extremely dense at 687 kg/m³, it would not disperse in the air and immediately fall low to the ground. Rendering the poison ineffective. So there's that theory down the drain.
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All hail science! :-D
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– Rewan Demontay
22 hours ago
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But the forensics confirmed that Alice rot13(pbafhzrq, abg vaunyrq) plus they also confirmed that rot13(gurer jnfa'g n genpr bs plnavqr va gur grn). Also, based on the circumstances rot13(Nyvpr jbhyq or yrff yvxryl gb qvr ol gur uhzvqvsvre guna gur vairfgvtngvba grnz qhr gb znal ernfbaf). Oh and rot13(gur vairfgvtngvba grnz zhfg'ir fcrag zber gvzr vafvqr gur ebbz guna Nyvpr)
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– Adam
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pbafhzrq, abg vaunyrq that'd be a good point if rot13(gurer'f n qvfgvapgvba orgjrra gur gjb), rot13(Jul jbhyq gurer or hayrff Ulqebtra Plnavqr pna ernpg jvgu gur grn ryrzragf?) the other two arguments seem to counter each other, I'm not sure what to say to that, except I did add that bit in my answer.
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– Abbas
21 hours ago
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However these are all shots in the dark, I feel we need a real chemist to accredit or discredit the theory.
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– Abbas
20 hours ago
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The density mentioned in your "Edit 2" is for liquid HCN. At typical room temperatures, however, HCN has a vapour pressure of about 800–1000 hPa; i.e. HCN would evaporate quickly and not form a liquid.
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– Loong
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All hail science! :-D
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– Rewan Demontay
22 hours ago
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But the forensics confirmed that Alice rot13(pbafhzrq, abg vaunyrq) plus they also confirmed that rot13(gurer jnfa'g n genpr bs plnavqr va gur grn). Also, based on the circumstances rot13(Nyvpr jbhyq or yrff yvxryl gb qvr ol gur uhzvqvsvre guna gur vairfgvtngvba grnz qhr gb znal ernfbaf). Oh and rot13(gur vairfgvtngvba grnz zhfg'ir fcrag zber gvzr vafvqr gur ebbz guna Nyvpr)
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– Adam
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pbafhzrq, abg vaunyrq that'd be a good point if rot13(gurer'f n qvfgvapgvba orgjrra gur gjb), rot13(Jul jbhyq gurer or hayrff Ulqebtra Plnavqr pna ernpg jvgu gur grn ryrzragf?) the other two arguments seem to counter each other, I'm not sure what to say to that, except I did add that bit in my answer.
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– Abbas
21 hours ago
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However these are all shots in the dark, I feel we need a real chemist to accredit or discredit the theory.
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– Abbas
20 hours ago
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The density mentioned in your "Edit 2" is for liquid HCN. At typical room temperatures, however, HCN has a vapour pressure of about 800–1000 hPa; i.e. HCN would evaporate quickly and not form a liquid.
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– Loong
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All hail science! :-D
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– Rewan Demontay
22 hours ago
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All hail science! :-D
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– Rewan Demontay
22 hours ago
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But the forensics confirmed that Alice rot13(pbafhzrq, abg vaunyrq) plus they also confirmed that rot13(gurer jnfa'g n genpr bs plnavqr va gur grn). Also, based on the circumstances rot13(Nyvpr jbhyq or yrff yvxryl gb qvr ol gur uhzvqvsvre guna gur vairfgvtngvba grnz qhr gb znal ernfbaf). Oh and rot13(gur vairfgvtngvba grnz zhfg'ir fcrag zber gvzr vafvqr gur ebbz guna Nyvpr)
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– Adam
22 hours ago
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But the forensics confirmed that Alice rot13(pbafhzrq, abg vaunyrq) plus they also confirmed that rot13(gurer jnfa'g n genpr bs plnavqr va gur grn). Also, based on the circumstances rot13(Nyvpr jbhyq or yrff yvxryl gb qvr ol gur uhzvqvsvre guna gur vairfgvtngvba grnz qhr gb znal ernfbaf). Oh and rot13(gur vairfgvtngvba grnz zhfg'ir fcrag zber gvzr vafvqr gur ebbz guna Nyvpr)
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– Adam
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pbafhzrq, abg vaunyrq that'd be a good point if rot13(gurer'f n qvfgvapgvba orgjrra gur gjb), rot13(Jul jbhyq gurer or hayrff Ulqebtra Plnavqr pna ernpg jvgu gur grn ryrzragf?) the other two arguments seem to counter each other, I'm not sure what to say to that, except I did add that bit in my answer.
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– Abbas
21 hours ago
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pbafhzrq, abg vaunyrq that'd be a good point if rot13(gurer'f n qvfgvapgvba orgjrra gur gjb), rot13(Jul jbhyq gurer or hayrff Ulqebtra Plnavqr pna ernpg jvgu gur grn ryrzragf?) the other two arguments seem to counter each other, I'm not sure what to say to that, except I did add that bit in my answer.
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– Abbas
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However these are all shots in the dark, I feel we need a real chemist to accredit or discredit the theory.
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– Abbas
20 hours ago
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However these are all shots in the dark, I feel we need a real chemist to accredit or discredit the theory.
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– Abbas
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The density mentioned in your "Edit 2" is for liquid HCN. At typical room temperatures, however, HCN has a vapour pressure of about 800–1000 hPa; i.e. HCN would evaporate quickly and not form a liquid.
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– Loong
10 hours ago
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The density mentioned in your "Edit 2" is for liquid HCN. At typical room temperatures, however, HCN has a vapour pressure of about 800–1000 hPa; i.e. HCN would evaporate quickly and not form a liquid.
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She was well-known among her friends for chewing on the end of her pen, especially while thinking about what to write. The murderer is obviously a close friend of hers, and the poison was applied only on the very tip of her pen, impossible for the police to find.
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She was well-known among her friends for chewing on the end of her pen, especially while thinking about what to write. The murderer is obviously a close friend of hers, and the poison was applied only on the very tip of her pen, impossible for the police to find.
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She was well-known among her friends for chewing on the end of her pen, especially while thinking about what to write. The murderer is obviously a close friend of hers, and the poison was applied only on the very tip of her pen, impossible for the police to find.
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She was well-known among her friends for chewing on the end of her pen, especially while thinking about what to write. The murderer is obviously a close friend of hers, and the poison was applied only on the very tip of her pen, impossible for the police to find.
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I did not read the answers, but I believe that she licked the envelope, and the adhesive layer was poisoned with cyanide.
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I did not read the answers, but I believe that she licked the envelope, and the adhesive layer was poisoned with cyanide.
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I did not read the answers, but I believe that she licked the envelope, and the adhesive layer was poisoned with cyanide.
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I did not read the answers, but I believe that she licked the envelope, and the adhesive layer was poisoned with cyanide.
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It's not reasonable to be running a humidifier during or after a shower, as the shower itself will accomplish that function. We may thus find it likely that the humidifier was interfered with. If it was an ultrasonic humidifier, it would form a mist from the liquid in the reservoir. If that liquid were spiked with a cyanide salt such as potassium cyanide, the victim would consume it by inhalation.
Edit: this answer does not account for the locked door, so I consider this to not be a great solution. (It would be cheating to add "and the attacker had a key", since that's against the spirit of the question design: the door was not opened from the outside.)
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You might want to read the other answers, one of which covers this possibility (and notes why it isn't applicable).
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– Rubio♦
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@Rubio I found that the answer you mention did not address any of my points. However, I will add a clarification (regarding the exact compound) to distinguish further. See this reference which describes that this delivery mechanism is plausible, regardless of what the other answer claimed: cdc.gov/niosh/ershdb/emergencyresponsecard_29750037.html
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– piojo
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Also, the ROT13 thing is driving me nuts, so I can't argue this any further. If my points as written are not convincing, I nonetheless have to let them stand.
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– piojo
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@piojo Me too. The worst is comments that start in english and end in gibberish. Please stackoverflow, add spoiler tags that work in comments!
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Sorry, I forgot to say that the symptoms are a huge problem with this delivery method. There is a clear difference between the different exposures so the investigation wouldn't mix them up. However, the main flaw is actually how death can occur in minutes - it is unreasonable for the humidifier to be running during her shower. Then it must've been switched on while she was writing the letter. But if this is the case then it doesn't make sense why the humidifier was still running on discovery as the first thing I would do when feeling ill is turn it off! Keep in mind she finished the letter
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– Adam
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It's not reasonable to be running a humidifier during or after a shower, as the shower itself will accomplish that function. We may thus find it likely that the humidifier was interfered with. If it was an ultrasonic humidifier, it would form a mist from the liquid in the reservoir. If that liquid were spiked with a cyanide salt such as potassium cyanide, the victim would consume it by inhalation.
Edit: this answer does not account for the locked door, so I consider this to not be a great solution. (It would be cheating to add "and the attacker had a key", since that's against the spirit of the question design: the door was not opened from the outside.)
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You might want to read the other answers, one of which covers this possibility (and notes why it isn't applicable).
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– Rubio♦
11 hours ago
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@Rubio I found that the answer you mention did not address any of my points. However, I will add a clarification (regarding the exact compound) to distinguish further. See this reference which describes that this delivery mechanism is plausible, regardless of what the other answer claimed: cdc.gov/niosh/ershdb/emergencyresponsecard_29750037.html
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– piojo
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Also, the ROT13 thing is driving me nuts, so I can't argue this any further. If my points as written are not convincing, I nonetheless have to let them stand.
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– piojo
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@piojo Me too. The worst is comments that start in english and end in gibberish. Please stackoverflow, add spoiler tags that work in comments!
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– Florian F
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Sorry, I forgot to say that the symptoms are a huge problem with this delivery method. There is a clear difference between the different exposures so the investigation wouldn't mix them up. However, the main flaw is actually how death can occur in minutes - it is unreasonable for the humidifier to be running during her shower. Then it must've been switched on while she was writing the letter. But if this is the case then it doesn't make sense why the humidifier was still running on discovery as the first thing I would do when feeling ill is turn it off! Keep in mind she finished the letter
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– Adam
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It's not reasonable to be running a humidifier during or after a shower, as the shower itself will accomplish that function. We may thus find it likely that the humidifier was interfered with. If it was an ultrasonic humidifier, it would form a mist from the liquid in the reservoir. If that liquid were spiked with a cyanide salt such as potassium cyanide, the victim would consume it by inhalation.
Edit: this answer does not account for the locked door, so I consider this to not be a great solution. (It would be cheating to add "and the attacker had a key", since that's against the spirit of the question design: the door was not opened from the outside.)
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It's not reasonable to be running a humidifier during or after a shower, as the shower itself will accomplish that function. We may thus find it likely that the humidifier was interfered with. If it was an ultrasonic humidifier, it would form a mist from the liquid in the reservoir. If that liquid were spiked with a cyanide salt such as potassium cyanide, the victim would consume it by inhalation.
Edit: this answer does not account for the locked door, so I consider this to not be a great solution. (It would be cheating to add "and the attacker had a key", since that's against the spirit of the question design: the door was not opened from the outside.)
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You might want to read the other answers, one of which covers this possibility (and notes why it isn't applicable).
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– Rubio♦
11 hours ago
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@Rubio I found that the answer you mention did not address any of my points. However, I will add a clarification (regarding the exact compound) to distinguish further. See this reference which describes that this delivery mechanism is plausible, regardless of what the other answer claimed: cdc.gov/niosh/ershdb/emergencyresponsecard_29750037.html
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– piojo
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Also, the ROT13 thing is driving me nuts, so I can't argue this any further. If my points as written are not convincing, I nonetheless have to let them stand.
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– piojo
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@piojo Me too. The worst is comments that start in english and end in gibberish. Please stackoverflow, add spoiler tags that work in comments!
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– Florian F
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Sorry, I forgot to say that the symptoms are a huge problem with this delivery method. There is a clear difference between the different exposures so the investigation wouldn't mix them up. However, the main flaw is actually how death can occur in minutes - it is unreasonable for the humidifier to be running during her shower. Then it must've been switched on while she was writing the letter. But if this is the case then it doesn't make sense why the humidifier was still running on discovery as the first thing I would do when feeling ill is turn it off! Keep in mind she finished the letter
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You might want to read the other answers, one of which covers this possibility (and notes why it isn't applicable).
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– Rubio♦
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@Rubio I found that the answer you mention did not address any of my points. However, I will add a clarification (regarding the exact compound) to distinguish further. See this reference which describes that this delivery mechanism is plausible, regardless of what the other answer claimed: cdc.gov/niosh/ershdb/emergencyresponsecard_29750037.html
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– piojo
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Also, the ROT13 thing is driving me nuts, so I can't argue this any further. If my points as written are not convincing, I nonetheless have to let them stand.
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– piojo
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@piojo Me too. The worst is comments that start in english and end in gibberish. Please stackoverflow, add spoiler tags that work in comments!
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– Florian F
6 hours ago
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Sorry, I forgot to say that the symptoms are a huge problem with this delivery method. There is a clear difference between the different exposures so the investigation wouldn't mix them up. However, the main flaw is actually how death can occur in minutes - it is unreasonable for the humidifier to be running during her shower. Then it must've been switched on while she was writing the letter. But if this is the case then it doesn't make sense why the humidifier was still running on discovery as the first thing I would do when feeling ill is turn it off! Keep in mind she finished the letter
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– Adam
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You might want to read the other answers, one of which covers this possibility (and notes why it isn't applicable).
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– Rubio♦
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You might want to read the other answers, one of which covers this possibility (and notes why it isn't applicable).
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– Rubio♦
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@Rubio I found that the answer you mention did not address any of my points. However, I will add a clarification (regarding the exact compound) to distinguish further. See this reference which describes that this delivery mechanism is plausible, regardless of what the other answer claimed: cdc.gov/niosh/ershdb/emergencyresponsecard_29750037.html
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– piojo
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@Rubio I found that the answer you mention did not address any of my points. However, I will add a clarification (regarding the exact compound) to distinguish further. See this reference which describes that this delivery mechanism is plausible, regardless of what the other answer claimed: cdc.gov/niosh/ershdb/emergencyresponsecard_29750037.html
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– piojo
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Also, the ROT13 thing is driving me nuts, so I can't argue this any further. If my points as written are not convincing, I nonetheless have to let them stand.
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– piojo
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Also, the ROT13 thing is driving me nuts, so I can't argue this any further. If my points as written are not convincing, I nonetheless have to let them stand.
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– piojo
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@piojo Me too. The worst is comments that start in english and end in gibberish. Please stackoverflow, add spoiler tags that work in comments!
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– Florian F
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@piojo Me too. The worst is comments that start in english and end in gibberish. Please stackoverflow, add spoiler tags that work in comments!
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– Florian F
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Sorry, I forgot to say that the symptoms are a huge problem with this delivery method. There is a clear difference between the different exposures so the investigation wouldn't mix them up. However, the main flaw is actually how death can occur in minutes - it is unreasonable for the humidifier to be running during her shower. Then it must've been switched on while she was writing the letter. But if this is the case then it doesn't make sense why the humidifier was still running on discovery as the first thing I would do when feeling ill is turn it off! Keep in mind she finished the letter
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– Adam
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Sorry, I forgot to say that the symptoms are a huge problem with this delivery method. There is a clear difference between the different exposures so the investigation wouldn't mix them up. However, the main flaw is actually how death can occur in minutes - it is unreasonable for the humidifier to be running during her shower. Then it must've been switched on while she was writing the letter. But if this is the case then it doesn't make sense why the humidifier was still running on discovery as the first thing I would do when feeling ill is turn it off! Keep in mind she finished the letter
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Another possible answer is:
The poison was planted inside the shower-head. Enough of that stuff gets on you in a shower and you might absorb it through your skin. Or some people might take a gulp of water while in the shower.
You might also want to check:
Any oral hygiene products in the bathroom - toothpaste, toothbrush, mouthwash, dental floss, etc. Many people use those during or after a shower. Generally you spit them out, but you might ingest enough from normal dental care to be lethal if there's cyanide in there. (Also, minty flavor would be a good way to mask the taste of the poison.)
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rot13(V guvax fur'q qvr vzzrqvngryl nsgre pbafhzvat gur cbvfba, plnavqr jbexf irel snfg, fur jbhyqa'g unir unq gur gvzr gb jevgr n yrggre be qb nalguvat.)
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Oh, whoops, I missed the hidden text in the hint that negates this answer - or was that added afterwards?
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Another possible answer is:
The poison was planted inside the shower-head. Enough of that stuff gets on you in a shower and you might absorb it through your skin. Or some people might take a gulp of water while in the shower.
You might also want to check:
Any oral hygiene products in the bathroom - toothpaste, toothbrush, mouthwash, dental floss, etc. Many people use those during or after a shower. Generally you spit them out, but you might ingest enough from normal dental care to be lethal if there's cyanide in there. (Also, minty flavor would be a good way to mask the taste of the poison.)
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– Abbas
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Another possible answer is:
The poison was planted inside the shower-head. Enough of that stuff gets on you in a shower and you might absorb it through your skin. Or some people might take a gulp of water while in the shower.
You might also want to check:
Any oral hygiene products in the bathroom - toothpaste, toothbrush, mouthwash, dental floss, etc. Many people use those during or after a shower. Generally you spit them out, but you might ingest enough from normal dental care to be lethal if there's cyanide in there. (Also, minty flavor would be a good way to mask the taste of the poison.)
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Another possible answer is:
The poison was planted inside the shower-head. Enough of that stuff gets on you in a shower and you might absorb it through your skin. Or some people might take a gulp of water while in the shower.
You might also want to check:
Any oral hygiene products in the bathroom - toothpaste, toothbrush, mouthwash, dental floss, etc. Many people use those during or after a shower. Generally you spit them out, but you might ingest enough from normal dental care to be lethal if there's cyanide in there. (Also, minty flavor would be a good way to mask the taste of the poison.)
answered 4 hours ago
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– Abbas
3 hours ago
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Oh, whoops, I missed the hidden text in the hint that negates this answer - or was that added afterwards?
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– Darrel Hoffman
2 hours ago
add a comment |
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$endgroup$
– Abbas
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
Oh, whoops, I missed the hidden text in the hint that negates this answer - or was that added afterwards?
$endgroup$
– Darrel Hoffman
2 hours ago
$begingroup$
rot13(V guvax fur'q qvr vzzrqvngryl nsgre pbafhzvat gur cbvfba, plnavqr jbexf irel snfg, fur jbhyqa'g unir unq gur gvzr gb jevgr n yrggre be qb nalguvat.)
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– Abbas
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
rot13(V guvax fur'q qvr vzzrqvngryl nsgre pbafhzvat gur cbvfba, plnavqr jbexf irel snfg, fur jbhyqa'g unir unq gur gvzr gb jevgr n yrggre be qb nalguvat.)
$endgroup$
– Abbas
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
Oh, whoops, I missed the hidden text in the hint that negates this answer - or was that added afterwards?
$endgroup$
– Darrel Hoffman
2 hours ago
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Oh, whoops, I missed the hidden text in the hint that negates this answer - or was that added afterwards?
$endgroup$
– Darrel Hoffman
2 hours ago
add a comment |
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