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Why is the second S silent in “Sens dessus dessous”?
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The expression "sens dessus dessous" is pronounced as "sans dessus dessous" or "sang dessus dessous". But I have yet to find another sentence where "sens" is pronounced that way. I always find it pronounced with the S being non-silent. Such as "les cinq sens".
I am wondering why, then, would the second S in "sens dessus dessous" be silent?
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The expression "sens dessus dessous" is pronounced as "sans dessus dessous" or "sang dessus dessous". But I have yet to find another sentence where "sens" is pronounced that way. I always find it pronounced with the S being non-silent. Such as "les cinq sens".
I am wondering why, then, would the second S in "sens dessus dessous" be silent?
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Very interresting question as a lot of natives would certainly fail to write it correctly exactly because of this specificity
– Laurent S.
11 hours ago
@LaurentS. In my experience, a lot of natives know how to spell it but actually fail to pronounce it correctly!
– Arnaud Mortier
1 hour ago
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The expression "sens dessus dessous" is pronounced as "sans dessus dessous" or "sang dessus dessous". But I have yet to find another sentence where "sens" is pronounced that way. I always find it pronounced with the S being non-silent. Such as "les cinq sens".
I am wondering why, then, would the second S in "sens dessus dessous" be silent?
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The expression "sens dessus dessous" is pronounced as "sans dessus dessous" or "sang dessus dessous". But I have yet to find another sentence where "sens" is pronounced that way. I always find it pronounced with the S being non-silent. Such as "les cinq sens".
I am wondering why, then, would the second S in "sens dessus dessous" be silent?
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Very interresting question as a lot of natives would certainly fail to write it correctly exactly because of this specificity
– Laurent S.
11 hours ago
@LaurentS. In my experience, a lot of natives know how to spell it but actually fail to pronounce it correctly!
– Arnaud Mortier
1 hour ago
add a comment |
Very interresting question as a lot of natives would certainly fail to write it correctly exactly because of this specificity
– Laurent S.
11 hours ago
@LaurentS. In my experience, a lot of natives know how to spell it but actually fail to pronounce it correctly!
– Arnaud Mortier
1 hour ago
Very interresting question as a lot of natives would certainly fail to write it correctly exactly because of this specificity
– Laurent S.
11 hours ago
Very interresting question as a lot of natives would certainly fail to write it correctly exactly because of this specificity
– Laurent S.
11 hours ago
@LaurentS. In my experience, a lot of natives know how to spell it but actually fail to pronounce it correctly!
– Arnaud Mortier
1 hour ago
@LaurentS. In my experience, a lot of natives know how to spell it but actually fail to pronounce it correctly!
– Arnaud Mortier
1 hour ago
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It seems that the reason for this unique pronunciation would be the ancient form of the word "sens"; this is suggested by the Wiktionnaire;
« sens » dans cette locution vient de « c’en » et il est prononcé sɑ̃, d’où une fréquente confusion avec « sans ».
This is confirmed by the etymology in the TLFi ;
Les loc. adv. sous B (sens dessus dessous, sens devant derrière)¹, sont prob. dues à des altér. graph. d'apr. « sens » de « sen », lui-même altér. de « cen », contraction de « ce en » (cf. sen dessus dessouz, mil. XVe s., CHARLES D'ORLÉANS, Rondeaux, 98, éd. Champion, p. 404; c'en dessus dessoubz, 1511, GRINGORE, Farce à la suite du Jeu du Prince des Sots, éd. D'Héricault et Montaiglon, t. 1, p. 281). En a. fr. et m. fr., on rencontre les formes « ce devant derriere » (1268, Claris et Laris, 11802 ds T.-L., s.v. devant), « ce dessus dessoubs » (1342, JEHAN BRUYANT, Pauvreté et Richesse, 30b, ibid., s.v. desus).
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According to "l'Académie Française", it's because of the earlier use of it "ce en" (ce qui est en) dessus dessous, meaning "what is upside down".
"Ce en" is then pronounced like "cent / sang / sans".
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It seems that the reason for this unique pronunciation would be the ancient form of the word "sens"; this is suggested by the Wiktionnaire;
« sens » dans cette locution vient de « c’en » et il est prononcé sɑ̃, d’où une fréquente confusion avec « sans ».
This is confirmed by the etymology in the TLFi ;
Les loc. adv. sous B (sens dessus dessous, sens devant derrière)¹, sont prob. dues à des altér. graph. d'apr. « sens » de « sen », lui-même altér. de « cen », contraction de « ce en » (cf. sen dessus dessouz, mil. XVe s., CHARLES D'ORLÉANS, Rondeaux, 98, éd. Champion, p. 404; c'en dessus dessoubz, 1511, GRINGORE, Farce à la suite du Jeu du Prince des Sots, éd. D'Héricault et Montaiglon, t. 1, p. 281). En a. fr. et m. fr., on rencontre les formes « ce devant derriere » (1268, Claris et Laris, 11802 ds T.-L., s.v. devant), « ce dessus dessoubs » (1342, JEHAN BRUYANT, Pauvreté et Richesse, 30b, ibid., s.v. desus).
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It seems that the reason for this unique pronunciation would be the ancient form of the word "sens"; this is suggested by the Wiktionnaire;
« sens » dans cette locution vient de « c’en » et il est prononcé sɑ̃, d’où une fréquente confusion avec « sans ».
This is confirmed by the etymology in the TLFi ;
Les loc. adv. sous B (sens dessus dessous, sens devant derrière)¹, sont prob. dues à des altér. graph. d'apr. « sens » de « sen », lui-même altér. de « cen », contraction de « ce en » (cf. sen dessus dessouz, mil. XVe s., CHARLES D'ORLÉANS, Rondeaux, 98, éd. Champion, p. 404; c'en dessus dessoubz, 1511, GRINGORE, Farce à la suite du Jeu du Prince des Sots, éd. D'Héricault et Montaiglon, t. 1, p. 281). En a. fr. et m. fr., on rencontre les formes « ce devant derriere » (1268, Claris et Laris, 11802 ds T.-L., s.v. devant), « ce dessus dessoubs » (1342, JEHAN BRUYANT, Pauvreté et Richesse, 30b, ibid., s.v. desus).
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It seems that the reason for this unique pronunciation would be the ancient form of the word "sens"; this is suggested by the Wiktionnaire;
« sens » dans cette locution vient de « c’en » et il est prononcé sɑ̃, d’où une fréquente confusion avec « sans ».
This is confirmed by the etymology in the TLFi ;
Les loc. adv. sous B (sens dessus dessous, sens devant derrière)¹, sont prob. dues à des altér. graph. d'apr. « sens » de « sen », lui-même altér. de « cen », contraction de « ce en » (cf. sen dessus dessouz, mil. XVe s., CHARLES D'ORLÉANS, Rondeaux, 98, éd. Champion, p. 404; c'en dessus dessoubz, 1511, GRINGORE, Farce à la suite du Jeu du Prince des Sots, éd. D'Héricault et Montaiglon, t. 1, p. 281). En a. fr. et m. fr., on rencontre les formes « ce devant derriere » (1268, Claris et Laris, 11802 ds T.-L., s.v. devant), « ce dessus dessoubs » (1342, JEHAN BRUYANT, Pauvreté et Richesse, 30b, ibid., s.v. desus).
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It seems that the reason for this unique pronunciation would be the ancient form of the word "sens"; this is suggested by the Wiktionnaire;
« sens » dans cette locution vient de « c’en » et il est prononcé sɑ̃, d’où une fréquente confusion avec « sans ».
This is confirmed by the etymology in the TLFi ;
Les loc. adv. sous B (sens dessus dessous, sens devant derrière)¹, sont prob. dues à des altér. graph. d'apr. « sens » de « sen », lui-même altér. de « cen », contraction de « ce en » (cf. sen dessus dessouz, mil. XVe s., CHARLES D'ORLÉANS, Rondeaux, 98, éd. Champion, p. 404; c'en dessus dessoubz, 1511, GRINGORE, Farce à la suite du Jeu du Prince des Sots, éd. D'Héricault et Montaiglon, t. 1, p. 281). En a. fr. et m. fr., on rencontre les formes « ce devant derriere » (1268, Claris et Laris, 11802 ds T.-L., s.v. devant), « ce dessus dessoubs » (1342, JEHAN BRUYANT, Pauvreté et Richesse, 30b, ibid., s.v. desus).
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According to "l'Académie Française", it's because of the earlier use of it "ce en" (ce qui est en) dessus dessous, meaning "what is upside down".
"Ce en" is then pronounced like "cent / sang / sans".
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According to "l'Académie Française", it's because of the earlier use of it "ce en" (ce qui est en) dessus dessous, meaning "what is upside down".
"Ce en" is then pronounced like "cent / sang / sans".
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According to "l'Académie Française", it's because of the earlier use of it "ce en" (ce qui est en) dessus dessous, meaning "what is upside down".
"Ce en" is then pronounced like "cent / sang / sans".
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According to "l'Académie Française", it's because of the earlier use of it "ce en" (ce qui est en) dessus dessous, meaning "what is upside down".
"Ce en" is then pronounced like "cent / sang / sans".
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Very interresting question as a lot of natives would certainly fail to write it correctly exactly because of this specificity
– Laurent S.
11 hours ago
@LaurentS. In my experience, a lot of natives know how to spell it but actually fail to pronounce it correctly!
– Arnaud Mortier
1 hour ago