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I work in one of these open office plans (which now I dread) and there is a bunch of guys around who make really offensive jokes. I'm not all PC but these guys really cross the line. I want to bring this issue up.
I was thinking of getting evidence by setting up a mic at my desk and record what happens. I am in Nevada, where it is legal to record this way.
What would be the repercussions of this approach? Is there a better way to make a complaint so that I am believed?
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I work in one of these open office plans (which now I dread) and there is a bunch of guys around who make really offensive jokes. I'm not all PC but these guys really cross the line. I want to bring this issue up.
I was thinking of getting evidence by setting up a mic at my desk and record what happens. I am in Nevada, where it is legal to record this way.
What would be the repercussions of this approach? Is there a better way to make a complaint so that I am believed?
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Is there a reason why you think your word would not be believed?
– thursdaysgeek
10 hours ago
2
I suspect the downvotes are because making a recording is considered such a bad idea, not because the question itself is bad.
– thursdaysgeek
10 hours ago
4
I edited the question, because I don't think it is a bad question. Give it a chance, rather than trying to delete it.
– thursdaysgeek
10 hours ago
1
Important note: being one-party consent does not mean you are able to record anything going on around/near you, especially not at work! This could easily fall into felony territory (to say nothing of the company opinion) even in Nevada. For deeper legal analysis: p2lawyers.com/blog/2016/1/31/…
– BrianH
4 hours ago
Rather than complain about specific people, have you considered raising a concern with HR that there is a lot of inappropriate things getting said by a variety of people?
– Gregory Currie
35 mins ago
add a comment |
I work in one of these open office plans (which now I dread) and there is a bunch of guys around who make really offensive jokes. I'm not all PC but these guys really cross the line. I want to bring this issue up.
I was thinking of getting evidence by setting up a mic at my desk and record what happens. I am in Nevada, where it is legal to record this way.
What would be the repercussions of this approach? Is there a better way to make a complaint so that I am believed?
colleagues united-states legal noise
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I work in one of these open office plans (which now I dread) and there is a bunch of guys around who make really offensive jokes. I'm not all PC but these guys really cross the line. I want to bring this issue up.
I was thinking of getting evidence by setting up a mic at my desk and record what happens. I am in Nevada, where it is legal to record this way.
What would be the repercussions of this approach? Is there a better way to make a complaint so that I am believed?
colleagues united-states legal noise
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Is there a reason why you think your word would not be believed?
– thursdaysgeek
10 hours ago
2
I suspect the downvotes are because making a recording is considered such a bad idea, not because the question itself is bad.
– thursdaysgeek
10 hours ago
4
I edited the question, because I don't think it is a bad question. Give it a chance, rather than trying to delete it.
– thursdaysgeek
10 hours ago
1
Important note: being one-party consent does not mean you are able to record anything going on around/near you, especially not at work! This could easily fall into felony territory (to say nothing of the company opinion) even in Nevada. For deeper legal analysis: p2lawyers.com/blog/2016/1/31/…
– BrianH
4 hours ago
Rather than complain about specific people, have you considered raising a concern with HR that there is a lot of inappropriate things getting said by a variety of people?
– Gregory Currie
35 mins ago
add a comment |
3
Is there a reason why you think your word would not be believed?
– thursdaysgeek
10 hours ago
2
I suspect the downvotes are because making a recording is considered such a bad idea, not because the question itself is bad.
– thursdaysgeek
10 hours ago
4
I edited the question, because I don't think it is a bad question. Give it a chance, rather than trying to delete it.
– thursdaysgeek
10 hours ago
1
Important note: being one-party consent does not mean you are able to record anything going on around/near you, especially not at work! This could easily fall into felony territory (to say nothing of the company opinion) even in Nevada. For deeper legal analysis: p2lawyers.com/blog/2016/1/31/…
– BrianH
4 hours ago
Rather than complain about specific people, have you considered raising a concern with HR that there is a lot of inappropriate things getting said by a variety of people?
– Gregory Currie
35 mins ago
3
3
Is there a reason why you think your word would not be believed?
– thursdaysgeek
10 hours ago
Is there a reason why you think your word would not be believed?
– thursdaysgeek
10 hours ago
2
2
I suspect the downvotes are because making a recording is considered such a bad idea, not because the question itself is bad.
– thursdaysgeek
10 hours ago
I suspect the downvotes are because making a recording is considered such a bad idea, not because the question itself is bad.
– thursdaysgeek
10 hours ago
4
4
I edited the question, because I don't think it is a bad question. Give it a chance, rather than trying to delete it.
– thursdaysgeek
10 hours ago
I edited the question, because I don't think it is a bad question. Give it a chance, rather than trying to delete it.
– thursdaysgeek
10 hours ago
1
1
Important note: being one-party consent does not mean you are able to record anything going on around/near you, especially not at work! This could easily fall into felony territory (to say nothing of the company opinion) even in Nevada. For deeper legal analysis: p2lawyers.com/blog/2016/1/31/…
– BrianH
4 hours ago
Important note: being one-party consent does not mean you are able to record anything going on around/near you, especially not at work! This could easily fall into felony territory (to say nothing of the company opinion) even in Nevada. For deeper legal analysis: p2lawyers.com/blog/2016/1/31/…
– BrianH
4 hours ago
Rather than complain about specific people, have you considered raising a concern with HR that there is a lot of inappropriate things getting said by a variety of people?
– Gregory Currie
35 mins ago
Rather than complain about specific people, have you considered raising a concern with HR that there is a lot of inappropriate things getting said by a variety of people?
– Gregory Currie
35 mins ago
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Although it seems like getting proof up front is a good idea, and appears to be legal in your location, it generally is not the best first option, and might not be a good option even as a last one, if it isn't actually legal.
It doesn't hurt to take notes on what is said, by whom, and when, instead of making a recording. HR and management looks on that as a much more appropriate approach when making a complaint. Generally, making a recording is a very aggressive move, and viewed very negatively by most parties, including management, even when it is legal.
Take your notes (if you have them), and make a verbal complaint to whoever it is appropriate to complain to. It should be investigated, and it is very likely that someone else will acknowledge the gist of what was said, which then gives the proof that you want from the recording.
answered 10 hours ago
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Yes agreed. People view someone very negatively when they complain about things that don't directly affect them. This indirectly offends the OP as the jokes are just noise pollution and not directed towards the OP. So it's best to simply make it known that the noise pollution is not welcomed and needs to be turned down.
– Dan
10 hours ago
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@Dan if the comments are racist or sexist, then it is right for the OP to complain. It's not merely "noise pollution", it is inappropriate in a work setting.
– thursdaysgeek
10 hours ago
2
Important note, it may not actually be legal in the location, as one-party consent is not the same as "not a party to the conversation but able to overhear it" consent. If it could be even reasonably argued that the conversation was not held in public (being able to overhear does not necessarily define it as public), recording it would be a felony if the OP was not a party to the conversation/jokes directly. To say nothing of workplace prohibitions/rules against recording people without their consent. Otherwise good advice, but it is dangerous to say directly "it is legal in your location".
– BrianH
4 hours ago
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It could be against the law or against the company's rules.
If its against company rules then your going get fired and if its against the law your gonna get arrested.
Even if there are no laws or rules your going to be known as the one who recorded people and nobody is going to trust you. Then the boss is going to ask you why you didn't tell them to knock it off first. You do this and nobody is going to say a word around you.
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When you report your annoyance to <whomever you intend to bring it up to>, it is very unlikely that the offensive jokers will deny talking loud and telling jokes. And if you quote them from your notes, they are not going to deny what they said. Any resistance will revolve around how they didn't mean to offend, how sensitive you're allowed to be, etc. A recording would just be evidence of something not in dispute.
Of course, if the loud talkers deny they said what you say they said, then you could offer to gather evidence. Even then, don't go right to secret recording. Let <whomever you intend to bring it up to> suggest what evidence they would like. Perhaps a witness can be found, perhaps someone could listen in via intercom.
Or, maybe nobody will care no matter what you do. In that case they wouldn't listen to your recording either.
answered 2 hours ago
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This is a legal question - chances are it is illegal, what law it falls under depends on your jurisdiction. On a personal note, it is a vile act to secretly film or record people just to ruin their lives because you personally don't agree with their sense of humor or worldviews.
Why not move on to a better place where better people like you belong and leave these horrible terrible persons behind?
PS: I find it very hard to believe this would be legal in Nevada (or anywhere in any Western country without a court order or consent).
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This highly depends on state laws and what country you're in. In most states in the USA, you can record conversations with a 1 party consent. Since you are the 1 party, you're legally allowed to do so. But again it differs each state, and with each country.
However, keep in mind unless there is some sort of serious thing going on, regardless of state laws (or whatever country you're in) the end result might be you getting canned. You bring a video of someone making silly jokes, and HR would just look at each other funny and next thing is you being escorted by security out the door.
So unless they are harassing you or making your life horrible and preventing you from working, then I wouldn't do it. Instead I would just email the manager and state that your coworkers are making really rude and offensive jokes that you do not find funny. Otherwise recording them, and showing it to the boss will make you look like a tattle tale as their jokes and behavior is just between each other.
answered 10 hours ago
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Does 'One Party Consent' consistently extend to "I can hear it, therefore I'm a party within the conversation"? So I'm not sure if that advice is entirely true and seems potentially unsafe.
– TheLuckless
5 hours ago
Obviously the OP is not a party in the conversation.
– Gregory Currie
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Although it seems like getting proof up front is a good idea, and appears to be legal in your location, it generally is not the best first option, and might not be a good option even as a last one, if it isn't actually legal.
It doesn't hurt to take notes on what is said, by whom, and when, instead of making a recording. HR and management looks on that as a much more appropriate approach when making a complaint. Generally, making a recording is a very aggressive move, and viewed very negatively by most parties, including management, even when it is legal.
Take your notes (if you have them), and make a verbal complaint to whoever it is appropriate to complain to. It should be investigated, and it is very likely that someone else will acknowledge the gist of what was said, which then gives the proof that you want from the recording.
answered 10 hours ago
thursdaysgeekthursdaysgeek
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Yes agreed. People view someone very negatively when they complain about things that don't directly affect them. This indirectly offends the OP as the jokes are just noise pollution and not directed towards the OP. So it's best to simply make it known that the noise pollution is not welcomed and needs to be turned down.
– Dan
10 hours ago
9
@Dan if the comments are racist or sexist, then it is right for the OP to complain. It's not merely "noise pollution", it is inappropriate in a work setting.
– thursdaysgeek
10 hours ago
2
Important note, it may not actually be legal in the location, as one-party consent is not the same as "not a party to the conversation but able to overhear it" consent. If it could be even reasonably argued that the conversation was not held in public (being able to overhear does not necessarily define it as public), recording it would be a felony if the OP was not a party to the conversation/jokes directly. To say nothing of workplace prohibitions/rules against recording people without their consent. Otherwise good advice, but it is dangerous to say directly "it is legal in your location".
– BrianH
4 hours ago
add a comment |
Although it seems like getting proof up front is a good idea, and appears to be legal in your location, it generally is not the best first option, and might not be a good option even as a last one, if it isn't actually legal.
It doesn't hurt to take notes on what is said, by whom, and when, instead of making a recording. HR and management looks on that as a much more appropriate approach when making a complaint. Generally, making a recording is a very aggressive move, and viewed very negatively by most parties, including management, even when it is legal.
Take your notes (if you have them), and make a verbal complaint to whoever it is appropriate to complain to. It should be investigated, and it is very likely that someone else will acknowledge the gist of what was said, which then gives the proof that you want from the recording.
answered 10 hours ago
thursdaysgeekthursdaysgeek
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Yes agreed. People view someone very negatively when they complain about things that don't directly affect them. This indirectly offends the OP as the jokes are just noise pollution and not directed towards the OP. So it's best to simply make it known that the noise pollution is not welcomed and needs to be turned down.
– Dan
10 hours ago
9
@Dan if the comments are racist or sexist, then it is right for the OP to complain. It's not merely "noise pollution", it is inappropriate in a work setting.
– thursdaysgeek
10 hours ago
2
Important note, it may not actually be legal in the location, as one-party consent is not the same as "not a party to the conversation but able to overhear it" consent. If it could be even reasonably argued that the conversation was not held in public (being able to overhear does not necessarily define it as public), recording it would be a felony if the OP was not a party to the conversation/jokes directly. To say nothing of workplace prohibitions/rules against recording people without their consent. Otherwise good advice, but it is dangerous to say directly "it is legal in your location".
– BrianH
4 hours ago
add a comment |
Although it seems like getting proof up front is a good idea, and appears to be legal in your location, it generally is not the best first option, and might not be a good option even as a last one, if it isn't actually legal.
It doesn't hurt to take notes on what is said, by whom, and when, instead of making a recording. HR and management looks on that as a much more appropriate approach when making a complaint. Generally, making a recording is a very aggressive move, and viewed very negatively by most parties, including management, even when it is legal.
Take your notes (if you have them), and make a verbal complaint to whoever it is appropriate to complain to. It should be investigated, and it is very likely that someone else will acknowledge the gist of what was said, which then gives the proof that you want from the recording.
answered 10 hours ago
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Although it seems like getting proof up front is a good idea, and appears to be legal in your location, it generally is not the best first option, and might not be a good option even as a last one, if it isn't actually legal.
It doesn't hurt to take notes on what is said, by whom, and when, instead of making a recording. HR and management looks on that as a much more appropriate approach when making a complaint. Generally, making a recording is a very aggressive move, and viewed very negatively by most parties, including management, even when it is legal.
Take your notes (if you have them), and make a verbal complaint to whoever it is appropriate to complain to. It should be investigated, and it is very likely that someone else will acknowledge the gist of what was said, which then gives the proof that you want from the recording.
answered 10 hours ago
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answered 10 hours ago
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Yes agreed. People view someone very negatively when they complain about things that don't directly affect them. This indirectly offends the OP as the jokes are just noise pollution and not directed towards the OP. So it's best to simply make it known that the noise pollution is not welcomed and needs to be turned down.
– Dan
10 hours ago
9
@Dan if the comments are racist or sexist, then it is right for the OP to complain. It's not merely "noise pollution", it is inappropriate in a work setting.
– thursdaysgeek
10 hours ago
2
Important note, it may not actually be legal in the location, as one-party consent is not the same as "not a party to the conversation but able to overhear it" consent. If it could be even reasonably argued that the conversation was not held in public (being able to overhear does not necessarily define it as public), recording it would be a felony if the OP was not a party to the conversation/jokes directly. To say nothing of workplace prohibitions/rules against recording people without their consent. Otherwise good advice, but it is dangerous to say directly "it is legal in your location".
– BrianH
4 hours ago
add a comment |
Yes agreed. People view someone very negatively when they complain about things that don't directly affect them. This indirectly offends the OP as the jokes are just noise pollution and not directed towards the OP. So it's best to simply make it known that the noise pollution is not welcomed and needs to be turned down.
– Dan
10 hours ago
9
@Dan if the comments are racist or sexist, then it is right for the OP to complain. It's not merely "noise pollution", it is inappropriate in a work setting.
– thursdaysgeek
10 hours ago
2
Important note, it may not actually be legal in the location, as one-party consent is not the same as "not a party to the conversation but able to overhear it" consent. If it could be even reasonably argued that the conversation was not held in public (being able to overhear does not necessarily define it as public), recording it would be a felony if the OP was not a party to the conversation/jokes directly. To say nothing of workplace prohibitions/rules against recording people without their consent. Otherwise good advice, but it is dangerous to say directly "it is legal in your location".
– BrianH
4 hours ago
Yes agreed. People view someone very negatively when they complain about things that don't directly affect them. This indirectly offends the OP as the jokes are just noise pollution and not directed towards the OP. So it's best to simply make it known that the noise pollution is not welcomed and needs to be turned down.
– Dan
10 hours ago
Yes agreed. People view someone very negatively when they complain about things that don't directly affect them. This indirectly offends the OP as the jokes are just noise pollution and not directed towards the OP. So it's best to simply make it known that the noise pollution is not welcomed and needs to be turned down.
– Dan
10 hours ago
9
9
@Dan if the comments are racist or sexist, then it is right for the OP to complain. It's not merely "noise pollution", it is inappropriate in a work setting.
– thursdaysgeek
10 hours ago
@Dan if the comments are racist or sexist, then it is right for the OP to complain. It's not merely "noise pollution", it is inappropriate in a work setting.
– thursdaysgeek
10 hours ago
2
2
Important note, it may not actually be legal in the location, as one-party consent is not the same as "not a party to the conversation but able to overhear it" consent. If it could be even reasonably argued that the conversation was not held in public (being able to overhear does not necessarily define it as public), recording it would be a felony if the OP was not a party to the conversation/jokes directly. To say nothing of workplace prohibitions/rules against recording people without their consent. Otherwise good advice, but it is dangerous to say directly "it is legal in your location".
– BrianH
4 hours ago
Important note, it may not actually be legal in the location, as one-party consent is not the same as "not a party to the conversation but able to overhear it" consent. If it could be even reasonably argued that the conversation was not held in public (being able to overhear does not necessarily define it as public), recording it would be a felony if the OP was not a party to the conversation/jokes directly. To say nothing of workplace prohibitions/rules against recording people without their consent. Otherwise good advice, but it is dangerous to say directly "it is legal in your location".
– BrianH
4 hours ago
add a comment |
It could be against the law or against the company's rules.
If its against company rules then your going get fired and if its against the law your gonna get arrested.
Even if there are no laws or rules your going to be known as the one who recorded people and nobody is going to trust you. Then the boss is going to ask you why you didn't tell them to knock it off first. You do this and nobody is going to say a word around you.
answered 7 hours ago
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It could be against the law or against the company's rules.
If its against company rules then your going get fired and if its against the law your gonna get arrested.
Even if there are no laws or rules your going to be known as the one who recorded people and nobody is going to trust you. Then the boss is going to ask you why you didn't tell them to knock it off first. You do this and nobody is going to say a word around you.
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It could be against the law or against the company's rules.
If its against company rules then your going get fired and if its against the law your gonna get arrested.
Even if there are no laws or rules your going to be known as the one who recorded people and nobody is going to trust you. Then the boss is going to ask you why you didn't tell them to knock it off first. You do this and nobody is going to say a word around you.
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It could be against the law or against the company's rules.
If its against company rules then your going get fired and if its against the law your gonna get arrested.
Even if there are no laws or rules your going to be known as the one who recorded people and nobody is going to trust you. Then the boss is going to ask you why you didn't tell them to knock it off first. You do this and nobody is going to say a word around you.
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When you report your annoyance to <whomever you intend to bring it up to>, it is very unlikely that the offensive jokers will deny talking loud and telling jokes. And if you quote them from your notes, they are not going to deny what they said. Any resistance will revolve around how they didn't mean to offend, how sensitive you're allowed to be, etc. A recording would just be evidence of something not in dispute.
Of course, if the loud talkers deny they said what you say they said, then you could offer to gather evidence. Even then, don't go right to secret recording. Let <whomever you intend to bring it up to> suggest what evidence they would like. Perhaps a witness can be found, perhaps someone could listen in via intercom.
Or, maybe nobody will care no matter what you do. In that case they wouldn't listen to your recording either.
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When you report your annoyance to <whomever you intend to bring it up to>, it is very unlikely that the offensive jokers will deny talking loud and telling jokes. And if you quote them from your notes, they are not going to deny what they said. Any resistance will revolve around how they didn't mean to offend, how sensitive you're allowed to be, etc. A recording would just be evidence of something not in dispute.
Of course, if the loud talkers deny they said what you say they said, then you could offer to gather evidence. Even then, don't go right to secret recording. Let <whomever you intend to bring it up to> suggest what evidence they would like. Perhaps a witness can be found, perhaps someone could listen in via intercom.
Or, maybe nobody will care no matter what you do. In that case they wouldn't listen to your recording either.
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When you report your annoyance to <whomever you intend to bring it up to>, it is very unlikely that the offensive jokers will deny talking loud and telling jokes. And if you quote them from your notes, they are not going to deny what they said. Any resistance will revolve around how they didn't mean to offend, how sensitive you're allowed to be, etc. A recording would just be evidence of something not in dispute.
Of course, if the loud talkers deny they said what you say they said, then you could offer to gather evidence. Even then, don't go right to secret recording. Let <whomever you intend to bring it up to> suggest what evidence they would like. Perhaps a witness can be found, perhaps someone could listen in via intercom.
Or, maybe nobody will care no matter what you do. In that case they wouldn't listen to your recording either.
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When you report your annoyance to <whomever you intend to bring it up to>, it is very unlikely that the offensive jokers will deny talking loud and telling jokes. And if you quote them from your notes, they are not going to deny what they said. Any resistance will revolve around how they didn't mean to offend, how sensitive you're allowed to be, etc. A recording would just be evidence of something not in dispute.
Of course, if the loud talkers deny they said what you say they said, then you could offer to gather evidence. Even then, don't go right to secret recording. Let <whomever you intend to bring it up to> suggest what evidence they would like. Perhaps a witness can be found, perhaps someone could listen in via intercom.
Or, maybe nobody will care no matter what you do. In that case they wouldn't listen to your recording either.
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This is a legal question - chances are it is illegal, what law it falls under depends on your jurisdiction. On a personal note, it is a vile act to secretly film or record people just to ruin their lives because you personally don't agree with their sense of humor or worldviews.
Why not move on to a better place where better people like you belong and leave these horrible terrible persons behind?
PS: I find it very hard to believe this would be legal in Nevada (or anywhere in any Western country without a court order or consent).
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This is a legal question - chances are it is illegal, what law it falls under depends on your jurisdiction. On a personal note, it is a vile act to secretly film or record people just to ruin their lives because you personally don't agree with their sense of humor or worldviews.
Why not move on to a better place where better people like you belong and leave these horrible terrible persons behind?
PS: I find it very hard to believe this would be legal in Nevada (or anywhere in any Western country without a court order or consent).
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This is a legal question - chances are it is illegal, what law it falls under depends on your jurisdiction. On a personal note, it is a vile act to secretly film or record people just to ruin their lives because you personally don't agree with their sense of humor or worldviews.
Why not move on to a better place where better people like you belong and leave these horrible terrible persons behind?
PS: I find it very hard to believe this would be legal in Nevada (or anywhere in any Western country without a court order or consent).
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This is a legal question - chances are it is illegal, what law it falls under depends on your jurisdiction. On a personal note, it is a vile act to secretly film or record people just to ruin their lives because you personally don't agree with their sense of humor or worldviews.
Why not move on to a better place where better people like you belong and leave these horrible terrible persons behind?
PS: I find it very hard to believe this would be legal in Nevada (or anywhere in any Western country without a court order or consent).
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This highly depends on state laws and what country you're in. In most states in the USA, you can record conversations with a 1 party consent. Since you are the 1 party, you're legally allowed to do so. But again it differs each state, and with each country.
However, keep in mind unless there is some sort of serious thing going on, regardless of state laws (or whatever country you're in) the end result might be you getting canned. You bring a video of someone making silly jokes, and HR would just look at each other funny and next thing is you being escorted by security out the door.
So unless they are harassing you or making your life horrible and preventing you from working, then I wouldn't do it. Instead I would just email the manager and state that your coworkers are making really rude and offensive jokes that you do not find funny. Otherwise recording them, and showing it to the boss will make you look like a tattle tale as their jokes and behavior is just between each other.
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Does 'One Party Consent' consistently extend to "I can hear it, therefore I'm a party within the conversation"? So I'm not sure if that advice is entirely true and seems potentially unsafe.
– TheLuckless
5 hours ago
Obviously the OP is not a party in the conversation.
– Gregory Currie
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This highly depends on state laws and what country you're in. In most states in the USA, you can record conversations with a 1 party consent. Since you are the 1 party, you're legally allowed to do so. But again it differs each state, and with each country.
However, keep in mind unless there is some sort of serious thing going on, regardless of state laws (or whatever country you're in) the end result might be you getting canned. You bring a video of someone making silly jokes, and HR would just look at each other funny and next thing is you being escorted by security out the door.
So unless they are harassing you or making your life horrible and preventing you from working, then I wouldn't do it. Instead I would just email the manager and state that your coworkers are making really rude and offensive jokes that you do not find funny. Otherwise recording them, and showing it to the boss will make you look like a tattle tale as their jokes and behavior is just between each other.
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Does 'One Party Consent' consistently extend to "I can hear it, therefore I'm a party within the conversation"? So I'm not sure if that advice is entirely true and seems potentially unsafe.
– TheLuckless
5 hours ago
Obviously the OP is not a party in the conversation.
– Gregory Currie
37 mins ago
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This highly depends on state laws and what country you're in. In most states in the USA, you can record conversations with a 1 party consent. Since you are the 1 party, you're legally allowed to do so. But again it differs each state, and with each country.
However, keep in mind unless there is some sort of serious thing going on, regardless of state laws (or whatever country you're in) the end result might be you getting canned. You bring a video of someone making silly jokes, and HR would just look at each other funny and next thing is you being escorted by security out the door.
So unless they are harassing you or making your life horrible and preventing you from working, then I wouldn't do it. Instead I would just email the manager and state that your coworkers are making really rude and offensive jokes that you do not find funny. Otherwise recording them, and showing it to the boss will make you look like a tattle tale as their jokes and behavior is just between each other.
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This highly depends on state laws and what country you're in. In most states in the USA, you can record conversations with a 1 party consent. Since you are the 1 party, you're legally allowed to do so. But again it differs each state, and with each country.
However, keep in mind unless there is some sort of serious thing going on, regardless of state laws (or whatever country you're in) the end result might be you getting canned. You bring a video of someone making silly jokes, and HR would just look at each other funny and next thing is you being escorted by security out the door.
So unless they are harassing you or making your life horrible and preventing you from working, then I wouldn't do it. Instead I would just email the manager and state that your coworkers are making really rude and offensive jokes that you do not find funny. Otherwise recording them, and showing it to the boss will make you look like a tattle tale as their jokes and behavior is just between each other.
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Does 'One Party Consent' consistently extend to "I can hear it, therefore I'm a party within the conversation"? So I'm not sure if that advice is entirely true and seems potentially unsafe.
– TheLuckless
5 hours ago
Obviously the OP is not a party in the conversation.
– Gregory Currie
37 mins ago
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Does 'One Party Consent' consistently extend to "I can hear it, therefore I'm a party within the conversation"? So I'm not sure if that advice is entirely true and seems potentially unsafe.
– TheLuckless
5 hours ago
Obviously the OP is not a party in the conversation.
– Gregory Currie
37 mins ago
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1
Does 'One Party Consent' consistently extend to "I can hear it, therefore I'm a party within the conversation"? So I'm not sure if that advice is entirely true and seems potentially unsafe.
– TheLuckless
5 hours ago
Does 'One Party Consent' consistently extend to "I can hear it, therefore I'm a party within the conversation"? So I'm not sure if that advice is entirely true and seems potentially unsafe.
– TheLuckless
5 hours ago
Obviously the OP is not a party in the conversation.
– Gregory Currie
37 mins ago
Obviously the OP is not a party in the conversation.
– Gregory Currie
37 mins ago
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Is there a reason why you think your word would not be believed?
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I suspect the downvotes are because making a recording is considered such a bad idea, not because the question itself is bad.
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I edited the question, because I don't think it is a bad question. Give it a chance, rather than trying to delete it.
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Important note: being one-party consent does not mean you are able to record anything going on around/near you, especially not at work! This could easily fall into felony territory (to say nothing of the company opinion) even in Nevada. For deeper legal analysis: p2lawyers.com/blog/2016/1/31/…
– BrianH
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Rather than complain about specific people, have you considered raising a concern with HR that there is a lot of inappropriate things getting said by a variety of people?
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