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I have read that "Dallas" is a soap, I know that it is a genre, but what are key elements of a soap? Is it just anything schmaltzy?



Wikipedia does not help me a lot:




A soap opera is an ongoing drama serial on television or radio, featuring the lives of many characters and their familial, platonic and intimate relationships.




According to this, I would say the following series are soap operas:




  • "Supergirl"

  • "Lucifer"

  • "Supernatural"

  • "The Big Bang Theory"

  • "How I met your mother"

  • ... basically all series?


Except for "How I met your mother", I would not have called any of the above a soap. Can somebody give me a definition and some examples + counter-examples? How is a soap different from a sitcom?










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    A soap opera focuses on the day to day lives of essentially normal people. In Lucifer, the main focus is solving crimes (and it's the Devil solving them), the relationships between characters just add to the ongoing storylines. Similar thing with Supergirl and Supernatural - the relationships are important, but the point of the show is definitely not normal people in definitely not normal situations. The difference between a soap opera and a sitcom (such as The Big Bang Theory) is less clear to me, hence comment rather than answer.

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    @AnthonyGrist I agree with you, except that a soap opera does not necessarily have to be about normal people (e.g. the original Dark Shadows).

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    @Raj Yes, Dark Shadows was certainly a soap opera in many important respects, but certainly a horror/fantasy/science fiction/suspense show in other respects. So it was an an example of several different genres at once.

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    Think in terms of General Hospital, Days of Our Lives...or the penultimate male soap opera - WWE shows.

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    I always thought this was an economic thing. Soap operas tend to have very cheap production costs (4-5 people + extras, fewer sets, etc.) such that the entire production cost would be covered by the cost of the advertiser(s). This would mean that the show only needed to be shown once to cover its cost (which also gave the advertiser a captive and consistent audience), whereas other productions required investment which in turn would require actors with a higher reputation to attract audiences, repeated showings, marketing, and balancing against other network programming.

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I have read that "Dallas" is a soap, I know that it is a genre, but what are key elements of a soap? Is it just anything schmaltzy?



Wikipedia does not help me a lot:




A soap opera is an ongoing drama serial on television or radio, featuring the lives of many characters and their familial, platonic and intimate relationships.




According to this, I would say the following series are soap operas:




  • "Supergirl"

  • "Lucifer"

  • "Supernatural"

  • "The Big Bang Theory"

  • "How I met your mother"

  • ... basically all series?


Except for "How I met your mother", I would not have called any of the above a soap. Can somebody give me a definition and some examples + counter-examples? How is a soap different from a sitcom?










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    A soap opera focuses on the day to day lives of essentially normal people. In Lucifer, the main focus is solving crimes (and it's the Devil solving them), the relationships between characters just add to the ongoing storylines. Similar thing with Supergirl and Supernatural - the relationships are important, but the point of the show is definitely not normal people in definitely not normal situations. The difference between a soap opera and a sitcom (such as The Big Bang Theory) is less clear to me, hence comment rather than answer.

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    @AnthonyGrist I agree with you, except that a soap opera does not necessarily have to be about normal people (e.g. the original Dark Shadows).

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    @Raj Yes, Dark Shadows was certainly a soap opera in many important respects, but certainly a horror/fantasy/science fiction/suspense show in other respects. So it was an an example of several different genres at once.

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    Think in terms of General Hospital, Days of Our Lives...or the penultimate male soap opera - WWE shows.

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    I always thought this was an economic thing. Soap operas tend to have very cheap production costs (4-5 people + extras, fewer sets, etc.) such that the entire production cost would be covered by the cost of the advertiser(s). This would mean that the show only needed to be shown once to cover its cost (which also gave the advertiser a captive and consistent audience), whereas other productions required investment which in turn would require actors with a higher reputation to attract audiences, repeated showings, marketing, and balancing against other network programming.

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I have read that "Dallas" is a soap, I know that it is a genre, but what are key elements of a soap? Is it just anything schmaltzy?



Wikipedia does not help me a lot:




A soap opera is an ongoing drama serial on television or radio, featuring the lives of many characters and their familial, platonic and intimate relationships.




According to this, I would say the following series are soap operas:




  • "Supergirl"

  • "Lucifer"

  • "Supernatural"

  • "The Big Bang Theory"

  • "How I met your mother"

  • ... basically all series?


Except for "How I met your mother", I would not have called any of the above a soap. Can somebody give me a definition and some examples + counter-examples? How is a soap different from a sitcom?










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I have read that "Dallas" is a soap, I know that it is a genre, but what are key elements of a soap? Is it just anything schmaltzy?



Wikipedia does not help me a lot:




A soap opera is an ongoing drama serial on television or radio, featuring the lives of many characters and their familial, platonic and intimate relationships.




According to this, I would say the following series are soap operas:




  • "Supergirl"

  • "Lucifer"

  • "Supernatural"

  • "The Big Bang Theory"

  • "How I met your mother"

  • ... basically all series?


Except for "How I met your mother", I would not have called any of the above a soap. Can somebody give me a definition and some examples + counter-examples? How is a soap different from a sitcom?







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    A soap opera focuses on the day to day lives of essentially normal people. In Lucifer, the main focus is solving crimes (and it's the Devil solving them), the relationships between characters just add to the ongoing storylines. Similar thing with Supergirl and Supernatural - the relationships are important, but the point of the show is definitely not normal people in definitely not normal situations. The difference between a soap opera and a sitcom (such as The Big Bang Theory) is less clear to me, hence comment rather than answer.

    – Anthony Grist
    yesterday






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    @AnthonyGrist I agree with you, except that a soap opera does not necessarily have to be about normal people (e.g. the original Dark Shadows).

    – Raj
    yesterday








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    @Raj Yes, Dark Shadows was certainly a soap opera in many important respects, but certainly a horror/fantasy/science fiction/suspense show in other respects. So it was an an example of several different genres at once.

    – M. A. Golding
    23 hours ago






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    Think in terms of General Hospital, Days of Our Lives...or the penultimate male soap opera - WWE shows.

    – SiXandSeven8ths
    21 hours ago






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    I always thought this was an economic thing. Soap operas tend to have very cheap production costs (4-5 people + extras, fewer sets, etc.) such that the entire production cost would be covered by the cost of the advertiser(s). This would mean that the show only needed to be shown once to cover its cost (which also gave the advertiser a captive and consistent audience), whereas other productions required investment which in turn would require actors with a higher reputation to attract audiences, repeated showings, marketing, and balancing against other network programming.

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    A soap opera focuses on the day to day lives of essentially normal people. In Lucifer, the main focus is solving crimes (and it's the Devil solving them), the relationships between characters just add to the ongoing storylines. Similar thing with Supergirl and Supernatural - the relationships are important, but the point of the show is definitely not normal people in definitely not normal situations. The difference between a soap opera and a sitcom (such as The Big Bang Theory) is less clear to me, hence comment rather than answer.

    – Anthony Grist
    yesterday






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    @AnthonyGrist I agree with you, except that a soap opera does not necessarily have to be about normal people (e.g. the original Dark Shadows).

    – Raj
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    @Raj Yes, Dark Shadows was certainly a soap opera in many important respects, but certainly a horror/fantasy/science fiction/suspense show in other respects. So it was an an example of several different genres at once.

    – M. A. Golding
    23 hours ago






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    Think in terms of General Hospital, Days of Our Lives...or the penultimate male soap opera - WWE shows.

    – SiXandSeven8ths
    21 hours ago






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    I always thought this was an economic thing. Soap operas tend to have very cheap production costs (4-5 people + extras, fewer sets, etc.) such that the entire production cost would be covered by the cost of the advertiser(s). This would mean that the show only needed to be shown once to cover its cost (which also gave the advertiser a captive and consistent audience), whereas other productions required investment which in turn would require actors with a higher reputation to attract audiences, repeated showings, marketing, and balancing against other network programming.

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A soap opera focuses on the day to day lives of essentially normal people. In Lucifer, the main focus is solving crimes (and it's the Devil solving them), the relationships between characters just add to the ongoing storylines. Similar thing with Supergirl and Supernatural - the relationships are important, but the point of the show is definitely not normal people in definitely not normal situations. The difference between a soap opera and a sitcom (such as The Big Bang Theory) is less clear to me, hence comment rather than answer.

– Anthony Grist
yesterday





A soap opera focuses on the day to day lives of essentially normal people. In Lucifer, the main focus is solving crimes (and it's the Devil solving them), the relationships between characters just add to the ongoing storylines. Similar thing with Supergirl and Supernatural - the relationships are important, but the point of the show is definitely not normal people in definitely not normal situations. The difference between a soap opera and a sitcom (such as The Big Bang Theory) is less clear to me, hence comment rather than answer.

– Anthony Grist
yesterday




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@AnthonyGrist I agree with you, except that a soap opera does not necessarily have to be about normal people (e.g. the original Dark Shadows).

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@AnthonyGrist I agree with you, except that a soap opera does not necessarily have to be about normal people (e.g. the original Dark Shadows).

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@Raj Yes, Dark Shadows was certainly a soap opera in many important respects, but certainly a horror/fantasy/science fiction/suspense show in other respects. So it was an an example of several different genres at once.

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@Raj Yes, Dark Shadows was certainly a soap opera in many important respects, but certainly a horror/fantasy/science fiction/suspense show in other respects. So it was an an example of several different genres at once.

– M. A. Golding
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Think in terms of General Hospital, Days of Our Lives...or the penultimate male soap opera - WWE shows.

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Think in terms of General Hospital, Days of Our Lives...or the penultimate male soap opera - WWE shows.

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I always thought this was an economic thing. Soap operas tend to have very cheap production costs (4-5 people + extras, fewer sets, etc.) such that the entire production cost would be covered by the cost of the advertiser(s). This would mean that the show only needed to be shown once to cover its cost (which also gave the advertiser a captive and consistent audience), whereas other productions required investment which in turn would require actors with a higher reputation to attract audiences, repeated showings, marketing, and balancing against other network programming.

– tudor
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I always thought this was an economic thing. Soap operas tend to have very cheap production costs (4-5 people + extras, fewer sets, etc.) such that the entire production cost would be covered by the cost of the advertiser(s). This would mean that the show only needed to be shown once to cover its cost (which also gave the advertiser a captive and consistent audience), whereas other productions required investment which in turn would require actors with a higher reputation to attract audiences, repeated showings, marketing, and balancing against other network programming.

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Wikipedia's definition of soap opera is obviously flawed. If it was a perfect definition of soap opera you wouldn't have any questions about which shows are soap opera and which are not.



Of course, it's much easier to see that a definition is flawed than to to come up with a better definition and very hard to come up with a flawless definition (or to be able to tell whether a definition is flawed or flawless).



So let's start with Wikipedia's definition of soap opera and change it a little.



Wikipedia's definition of soap operas is:




A soap opera is an ongoing drama serial on television or radio, featuring the lives of many characters and their familial, platonic and intimate relationships. The term soap opera originated from radio dramas being sponsored by soap manufacturers.




So I might change the definition to something like this:



A soap opera is an ongoing drama serial on television or radio, primarily featuring the day to day lives of many characters, who are more or less ordinary people, and their familial, platonic and intimate relationships, in more or less ordinary situations, and created to be primarily an example of the soap opera genre. The term soap opera originated from radio dramas being sponsored by soap manufacturers.



I added primarily to show the main focus of a typical soap opera, and I emphasized that the characters and the situations they are in are more or less ordinary - in some soap operas more or less ordinary than in others.



In recent decades more and more dramatic programs in the USA have become more serialized and less episodic. Thus they come to resemble soap operas in some ways. But those shows are often primarily intended to be examples of the crime, fantasy, historical, horror, medical, police, suspense, spy, science fiction, western, etc. genres, and not primarily soap operas.



I added "created to be primarily an example of the soap opera genre." to help distinguish shows that could be considered "true" soap operas from other shows, shows that are like soap operas but are primarily examples of other genres like crime, fantasy, historical, horror, medical, police, suspense, spy, science fiction, western, etc.



For example, most Star Trek series are episodic, with each episode being a separate story. In fact, I favor the theory that most episodes of most Star Trek series happen in alternate universes of their own, separate from the alternate universes of other episodes within their series.



But a number of Star Trek series had continuing story arcs spread out over a few or sometimes many episodes and thus seemed much more serialized than the original Star Trek and more like soap operas than like pure episodic shows. But they differ from soap operas in being partially episodic and partially serialized instead of totally serialized, and by being primarily science fiction space opera shows where the characters are in situations which are certainly not ordinary for the viewers in the present and often get highly unusual even for the future society the future characters live in.



The main focus of even the most serialized Star Trek series is science fiction space opera type events, and the day to day daily activities of ordinary people, even the ordinary people of a future society, are not the prime focus, as they would be in a true science fiction soap opera.



Each season of 24 (2001-2010) was extremely serialized, telling of events in a 24 hour period in a series of hour long episodes. But 24 (2001-2010) was about political intrigue, action, counter terrorism, espionage, etc., and 24 (2001-2010) is described as "an American action drama television series" in Wikipedia,not as a soap opera.



One important method of telling a soap opera is its broadcast schedule. In the USA a prime time soap opera, like Dallas, would broadcast first run episodes once a week for about twenty odd weeks each year, and have reruns the other weeks of the year, with a schedule very similar to those of prime time shows that are not soap operas. But daytime soap operas tend to broadcast first run episodes five days a week, 52 weeks a year, with no reruns.



Some soap operas were broadcast live, and so viewers got to see every production blooper made in every episode, though that is not a characteristic of prime time soap operas.



And genres are not exclusive. It is perfectly possible for a series to be an example of two or more genres at once.



A famous example is Dark Shadows (1966-1971), mentioned by Raj in his comment, a daytime soap opera that can also be considered an example of the suspense genre, sometimes the crime genre (a lot of crimes were committed), sometimes fantasy (there was a lot of magic), horror (vampires and werewolves, etc.), science fiction (time travel and alternate universes, etc.), and historical (characters traveled to past centuries and stayed there for months at a time), etc.



Or some people might claim that Dark Shadows (1966-1971) was an example of the Dark Shadows genre, being a genre to itself.



Another soap opera example is Passions (1999-2008) which was a soap opera with strong supernatural elements. One of the main characters was a witch, Tabitha, who was so powerful that she brought a doll, Timmy, to life, & he become another character on the show.



(curiously, according to this site, Passions (1999-2008) is in the same fictional universe - imaginatively labeled as Group 10 - as a few other series, including all the Star Trek series.)



Another famous example is Get Smart (1965-1970), a situation comedy which was also a spy series. The protagonists were in deadly danger in almost every episode, and killed a lot of people, which is very unusual for a situation comedy.



So it is possible for a series to be both a soap opera and a horse opera, a soap opera and a space opera, a soap opera and a spy drama, a soap opera and a medical show, etc., etc., and some people may be able to suggest a number of examples of such hybrid, multi-genre series.






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    I would say daytime soaps are distinguished by having their airing schedule and production style and that serialization is not enough to make a show a soap or even partly a soap. Radio dramas of various genres were sometimes partly serialized before TV.

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  • If I'm reading your definition right, it basically boils down to a serialized show about ordinary people without "genre" elements. But I can think of many shows that fit this description that I don't think are usually considered "soap operas": Gilmore Girls, Party of Five, Everwood, 7th Heaven, etc. Heck, This Is Us fits your description except for its multiple-timeline conceit, but that's not really enough to make it a "genre" show. It may just be that there's no bright line between "soap operas" and "not soap operas".

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TLDR: A "Soap" is a serialized show that's about ordinary people having interpersonal drama. There's not a high concept, story arc, external villains, or greater purpose.



Don't confuse "serialized" and "soap opera".



Not Serialized



What serialization isn't: From the 1960s to 1990s, in the vast majority of TV shows, every episode starts the same, and ends right there. Wesley has saved the day, Riker's latest fling has moved on, Sam Beckett has finished his work and "quantum leapt", Monk and Psych solve the case, etc. The show always reset back to starting conditions; no evolution ever happened, it's jokingly called "Groundhog Day". That's because real money was made in syndication, and small stations don't want to deal with airing sequence, and want a show anyone can start at any episode and enjoy. If you catch the show every Monday at the laundromat (even though it airs daily), that should work.



Serialized (not soap)



Some shows threw away the opportunities for syndication, to tell a deeper tale in a big story arc. The apocryphal example being Babylon-5. They became serialized - there are fewer (or no) "Groundhog Day" episodes, events cause irrevocable changes, and it's super confusing to join in the middle. If you catch the show every Monday at the laundromat, you'll be totally confused - why is Babylon-5 fighting Earth all of a sudden?



You're expected to watch from episode 1. This is a big difference between serials and soaps - you can't possibly watch a soap opera from episode 1; they're so hastily produced they didn't even keep the tapes.



Soap operas



The prototypical soap opera was a show like General Hospital. These aired for 30 minutes every weekday. They were cheap shows to begin with, and at that tempo, they pretty much had to be done live, or in a live (3-camera) format with very simple editing. They were so cheap they didn't bother filming or videotaping the as-aired episodes. Needless to say, they're not meant to start watching at episode 1; you're expected to join the fun today and then tune in tomorrow. They certainly didn't deal with "big head" stuff like intergalactic wars, because that's too hard to join in the middle.



But the writing makes them a "soap" - it was hasty, and was all about interpersonal relationships, because that's universally appealing and easy to film in simple sets. No high-concept stories, no epics, no big arcs, it's just people living daily lives bickering and making interpersonal drama (literally).



Some series may have higher production values (Dallas being an apocryphal example) but what makes them a soap is




  • Serialized

  • About interpersonal drama, without an epic, high-concept story.



Soap: Gossip Girl, What/If, Pretty Little Liars, Revenge



Non-Soap: Orphan Black, Man in the High Castle, Humans, Halt and Catch Fire






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    Yes, best answer so far! However, I would still not call prime-time TV series like Gossip Girl soaps because of all the other reasons you mentioned (production value, air time, story arcs). It's just a drama series.

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    Is "apocryphal" really how you want to describe Dallas? I'm pretty sure it did in fact exist.

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  • @Ian Agreed. Gossip Girl and the other shows listed with it are not soaps. They might have many things in common with soaps, but they're not soaps because no one calls them soaps.

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I asked a similar question myself a few years ago because it didn't make sense to me. One of my favorite old shows was simply called "Soap", and as a young kid, I didn't get the joke.



The term "soap" comes from the fact that many shows in the golden age of television were, in fact, sponsored by soap and detergent manufacturers. Many of the original shows aired during the daytime and featured the serialized goings-on within a household or extended family with a recurring cast. These shows attracted a lot of stay-at-home female viewers who were the target demographic for these types of commercial placements.



As time went on into the 70's, more risqué and controversial subject matters entered the storylines, as did more diversity. They also played around with airing them at different times of day. Nonetheless, the soaps continued their tradition of concurrent, drawn-out story arcs with defined beginnings and endings.



So, if you are watching a show with storylines that span numerous episodes or even seasons, like Game of Thrones, it tends to fall in the category of a soap.






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    I don't think many people would categorize Game of Thrones as a soap opera. For the most parts, soaps don't have additional "spectacular" features such as magic, dragons, or bloody battles, as well as other "spectacular" features like robots, car chases, and spaceships. The main thrust is on the relationships among everyday people. GOT has a lot to do with relationships, but they are often overshadowed by the spectacular features of the show.

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    I used to think the same thing myself, @BrettFromLA, but there's an article on Vulture about how Game of Thrones and other primetime shows are modern-day soaps: vulture.com/2015/10/primetime-soap-operas-are-back.html

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    Interesting article, and it underscores (to me) how various genres aren't distinct like they were originally. TV & movies now often encompasses features from multiple genres: the dramedy, news-entertainment hybrids, legal procedural comedies like Boston Legal and Ally McBeal, etc.

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    Soap opera stories didn’t end. Or at least one always ran into the next. Unless it’s called a “prime time soap opera”, a soap opera runs during the day on network television. Soap operas do not have other genre elements, meaning they are set more or less in the present day with regular people doing regular things. There’s also a specific story style to soaps. You could get to make the case that ER or House were prime time soaps (I think it’s clear they weren’t but it’s arguable), but GoT is definitely nothing like a soap opera in any way.

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    I like that this answer tells the origin of the word soap opera, but I strongly disagree with the definition of soaps. "a show with storylines that span numerous episodes or even seasons" is just a series. This definition fits to almost everything, even documentaries.

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In the UK the term "soap" is usually used to refer to TV fictional dramas that broadcast new episodes regularly, without a break, featuring recurring characters and on-going plots. Broadcasts are usually made more than once a week, often daily. Less than once a week would probably not be considered a soap.



Any show that has series or significant gaps in its broadcast schedule, or which has different stories and characters each week, is not considered to be a soap.



Soaps are often associated with poor writing and acting, as well as a low budget since episodes are usually only shown once or twice and are produced at a rate of up to 5 a week.






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    I disagree with the other answers here. Shows like Game of Thrones are obviously not soap operas, so the definition being used can't be accurate.



    A soap opera is defined, in my opinion, by its serialization scheme. A soap opera airs at least once a week (usually more) with no gaps between seasons. This is on top of requiring an ongoing storyline. By this definition, you only get actual soaps like Coronation Street .






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      Just to add to the conversation of answers here,



      I think in very contemporary context, what a lot of modern Television takes from the original and often day-time AMERICAN TELEVISION soap operas, is not just this idea of interpersonal relationships, but also characters and the reactions to plots that tend to be VERY "melodramatic".



      The following link is a article of a paper I found on the posisble correlation between Soap Operas and the Melodramatic, as the earliest forms coming from British Radio Soaps were often based in [British social] realism and make no mention of melodrama, when that argument is then counteracted when referring to American Prime Time Television with the likes of Dallas. In other words, I think the definition changed over time and through cultural (British to American) and medium (Radio to Television) differences and we now have both the original Soap Opera Realism & The Soap Opera Melodrama.



      And as others have mentioned, it's these melodramatic elements are what allow many RECENT shows (Supergirl, Lucifer, Gilmore Girls) that are often sited to be primarily set in other drama genres (fantasy/superhero, crime/family, family) to still have "soapy" elements (interpersonal relationships and heavy romance) within the series and they often then also have a hybrid serialized and episodic structuring, which may also then go back to the original definition.



      Some more recant contemporary examples of mixed genre shows with "Soapy" elements are



      The Good Wife - Often toted as an "American legal & political Drama", is really a legal, political, family Dramedy & melodramatic romance. It's also a serialized-hybrid having both ongoing overarching arcs and 'case of the week' episodic elements within the bigger narrative(s). Click Here to see a decent breakdown of just how complex a single episode the Kings' series can be and how it is seamlessly able to mix that romantic melodrama into it's legal and political plots and physical scapes.




      When the CBS legal drama/political soap opera hybrid debuted in 2009,
      it was easy to identify the glaring similarities between the show and
      the still-fresh details of the Spitzer prostitution scandal
      that was
      unveiled the previous spring. The series launched with an
      all-too-familiar scene: Alicia Florrick (played with elegant ferocity
      by Julianna Margulies) stands stunned and stonefaced next to her
      politico husband (Chris Noth)—who had just been caught cheating on her
      with a hooker—at his press conference announcing his resignation. It
      was as if Margulies had taken care to recreate, second-by-second, the
      expression worn by Silda Wall Spitzer as she stood by her husband in
      the press conference that served as inspiration for the series.




      Grey's Anatomy - Much truer to American day-time saops, Shanda Rhimes "medical drama" is much closer to soaps like General Hospital, as interpersonal relationships, especially romantic are always on display being the series' corner stone and like those often long-running television soaps of the 80's, Grey's is going on season 16! However, even though a lot of what's portrayed on the series, is medically inaccurate, two doctors are executive producers and the cases themselves are often taken seriously, which is most likley why, along with the heavy serialization,
      Grey's is considered more of a "drama", despite those interpersonal romantic/family elements.




      By any standards, Grey's Anatomy has been successful television,
      ranking highly in the ratings for nine seasons and entering the
      cultural lexicon via phrases as cloying yet catchy as 'McDreamy', the
      show has had its periods of being intensely irritating, and it has had
      its periods when it seems as if Shonda Rhimes has taken leave of her
      faculties, but it's also got an amazingly high batting average,
      particularly with every solid season that passes along in this second
      act of its run." The site lauded the show saying, "On average, it's
      been very good TV, filled with interesting, driven characters who run
      the gamut of professions within the show's hospital setting. It's
      been, by turns, a good soap, a good romantic comedy, a good medical
      drama, and a good interpersonal show about an unexpected workplace
      family.
      --Samantha Highfill, Entertainment Weekly




      Downton Abbey - Mostly seen as a British Historical Period Drama, really has a lot of melodrama coming from both it's upstairs/downstairs approach, along with racial and class divides providing for some juicy melodramatic romances such as Sybil & Tom, Mary & Matthew, or Rose & Jack, especially since all three tragically come to an end.




      Downton Abbey has been a commercial success and received general
      acclaim from critics, although some criticize it as superficial,
      melodramatic or unrealistic. Others defend these qualities as the
      reason for the show's appeal. David Kamp of Vanity Fair wrote,
      "Melodrama is an uncool thing to trade in these days, but then, that's
      precisely why Downton Abbey is so pleasurable. In its clear
      delineation between the goodies and the baddies, in its regulated
      dosages of highs and lows, the show is welcome counter-programming to
      the slow-burning despair and moral ambiguity of most quality drama on
      television right now."



      Downton Abbey is a jointly produced UK-US period soap opera drama
      that ran from 2010-2015 on ITV in the UK, and as a series on the long
      running United States anthology series, Masterpiece, on PBS. It was
      produced by Carnival Films/Masterpiece Productions.




      So my own conclusion is that what Soap Operas originally were have been discarded or have evolved into varied categories either through a false perception given to the name/definition of American day-time television melodramatic shows that were "set-up" structurally like British soaps, and often visually contrasted the higher brow visuals of Hollywood (not unlike "Reality TV", I might add), which in itself also changed when someone tried to take the melodrama and interpersonal relationships aspects of those day-time soaps and apply them to a "drama" creating something like Dallas or it's spin off, Knotts Landing allowing them to have "soap operas" on prime time television and then these elements (structure, day in the life, melodrama) have now worked their way into other genres as well...






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        Wikipedia's definition of soap opera is obviously flawed. If it was a perfect definition of soap opera you wouldn't have any questions about which shows are soap opera and which are not.



        Of course, it's much easier to see that a definition is flawed than to to come up with a better definition and very hard to come up with a flawless definition (or to be able to tell whether a definition is flawed or flawless).



        So let's start with Wikipedia's definition of soap opera and change it a little.



        Wikipedia's definition of soap operas is:




        A soap opera is an ongoing drama serial on television or radio, featuring the lives of many characters and their familial, platonic and intimate relationships. The term soap opera originated from radio dramas being sponsored by soap manufacturers.




        So I might change the definition to something like this:



        A soap opera is an ongoing drama serial on television or radio, primarily featuring the day to day lives of many characters, who are more or less ordinary people, and their familial, platonic and intimate relationships, in more or less ordinary situations, and created to be primarily an example of the soap opera genre. The term soap opera originated from radio dramas being sponsored by soap manufacturers.



        I added primarily to show the main focus of a typical soap opera, and I emphasized that the characters and the situations they are in are more or less ordinary - in some soap operas more or less ordinary than in others.



        In recent decades more and more dramatic programs in the USA have become more serialized and less episodic. Thus they come to resemble soap operas in some ways. But those shows are often primarily intended to be examples of the crime, fantasy, historical, horror, medical, police, suspense, spy, science fiction, western, etc. genres, and not primarily soap operas.



        I added "created to be primarily an example of the soap opera genre." to help distinguish shows that could be considered "true" soap operas from other shows, shows that are like soap operas but are primarily examples of other genres like crime, fantasy, historical, horror, medical, police, suspense, spy, science fiction, western, etc.



        For example, most Star Trek series are episodic, with each episode being a separate story. In fact, I favor the theory that most episodes of most Star Trek series happen in alternate universes of their own, separate from the alternate universes of other episodes within their series.



        But a number of Star Trek series had continuing story arcs spread out over a few or sometimes many episodes and thus seemed much more serialized than the original Star Trek and more like soap operas than like pure episodic shows. But they differ from soap operas in being partially episodic and partially serialized instead of totally serialized, and by being primarily science fiction space opera shows where the characters are in situations which are certainly not ordinary for the viewers in the present and often get highly unusual even for the future society the future characters live in.



        The main focus of even the most serialized Star Trek series is science fiction space opera type events, and the day to day daily activities of ordinary people, even the ordinary people of a future society, are not the prime focus, as they would be in a true science fiction soap opera.



        Each season of 24 (2001-2010) was extremely serialized, telling of events in a 24 hour period in a series of hour long episodes. But 24 (2001-2010) was about political intrigue, action, counter terrorism, espionage, etc., and 24 (2001-2010) is described as "an American action drama television series" in Wikipedia,not as a soap opera.



        One important method of telling a soap opera is its broadcast schedule. In the USA a prime time soap opera, like Dallas, would broadcast first run episodes once a week for about twenty odd weeks each year, and have reruns the other weeks of the year, with a schedule very similar to those of prime time shows that are not soap operas. But daytime soap operas tend to broadcast first run episodes five days a week, 52 weeks a year, with no reruns.



        Some soap operas were broadcast live, and so viewers got to see every production blooper made in every episode, though that is not a characteristic of prime time soap operas.



        And genres are not exclusive. It is perfectly possible for a series to be an example of two or more genres at once.



        A famous example is Dark Shadows (1966-1971), mentioned by Raj in his comment, a daytime soap opera that can also be considered an example of the suspense genre, sometimes the crime genre (a lot of crimes were committed), sometimes fantasy (there was a lot of magic), horror (vampires and werewolves, etc.), science fiction (time travel and alternate universes, etc.), and historical (characters traveled to past centuries and stayed there for months at a time), etc.



        Or some people might claim that Dark Shadows (1966-1971) was an example of the Dark Shadows genre, being a genre to itself.



        Another soap opera example is Passions (1999-2008) which was a soap opera with strong supernatural elements. One of the main characters was a witch, Tabitha, who was so powerful that she brought a doll, Timmy, to life, & he become another character on the show.



        (curiously, according to this site, Passions (1999-2008) is in the same fictional universe - imaginatively labeled as Group 10 - as a few other series, including all the Star Trek series.)



        Another famous example is Get Smart (1965-1970), a situation comedy which was also a spy series. The protagonists were in deadly danger in almost every episode, and killed a lot of people, which is very unusual for a situation comedy.



        So it is possible for a series to be both a soap opera and a horse opera, a soap opera and a space opera, a soap opera and a spy drama, a soap opera and a medical show, etc., etc., and some people may be able to suggest a number of examples of such hybrid, multi-genre series.






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          I would say daytime soaps are distinguished by having their airing schedule and production style and that serialization is not enough to make a show a soap or even partly a soap. Radio dramas of various genres were sometimes partly serialized before TV.

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        • If I'm reading your definition right, it basically boils down to a serialized show about ordinary people without "genre" elements. But I can think of many shows that fit this description that I don't think are usually considered "soap operas": Gilmore Girls, Party of Five, Everwood, 7th Heaven, etc. Heck, This Is Us fits your description except for its multiple-timeline conceit, but that's not really enough to make it a "genre" show. It may just be that there's no bright line between "soap operas" and "not soap operas".

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        Wikipedia's definition of soap opera is obviously flawed. If it was a perfect definition of soap opera you wouldn't have any questions about which shows are soap opera and which are not.



        Of course, it's much easier to see that a definition is flawed than to to come up with a better definition and very hard to come up with a flawless definition (or to be able to tell whether a definition is flawed or flawless).



        So let's start with Wikipedia's definition of soap opera and change it a little.



        Wikipedia's definition of soap operas is:




        A soap opera is an ongoing drama serial on television or radio, featuring the lives of many characters and their familial, platonic and intimate relationships. The term soap opera originated from radio dramas being sponsored by soap manufacturers.




        So I might change the definition to something like this:



        A soap opera is an ongoing drama serial on television or radio, primarily featuring the day to day lives of many characters, who are more or less ordinary people, and their familial, platonic and intimate relationships, in more or less ordinary situations, and created to be primarily an example of the soap opera genre. The term soap opera originated from radio dramas being sponsored by soap manufacturers.



        I added primarily to show the main focus of a typical soap opera, and I emphasized that the characters and the situations they are in are more or less ordinary - in some soap operas more or less ordinary than in others.



        In recent decades more and more dramatic programs in the USA have become more serialized and less episodic. Thus they come to resemble soap operas in some ways. But those shows are often primarily intended to be examples of the crime, fantasy, historical, horror, medical, police, suspense, spy, science fiction, western, etc. genres, and not primarily soap operas.



        I added "created to be primarily an example of the soap opera genre." to help distinguish shows that could be considered "true" soap operas from other shows, shows that are like soap operas but are primarily examples of other genres like crime, fantasy, historical, horror, medical, police, suspense, spy, science fiction, western, etc.



        For example, most Star Trek series are episodic, with each episode being a separate story. In fact, I favor the theory that most episodes of most Star Trek series happen in alternate universes of their own, separate from the alternate universes of other episodes within their series.



        But a number of Star Trek series had continuing story arcs spread out over a few or sometimes many episodes and thus seemed much more serialized than the original Star Trek and more like soap operas than like pure episodic shows. But they differ from soap operas in being partially episodic and partially serialized instead of totally serialized, and by being primarily science fiction space opera shows where the characters are in situations which are certainly not ordinary for the viewers in the present and often get highly unusual even for the future society the future characters live in.



        The main focus of even the most serialized Star Trek series is science fiction space opera type events, and the day to day daily activities of ordinary people, even the ordinary people of a future society, are not the prime focus, as they would be in a true science fiction soap opera.



        Each season of 24 (2001-2010) was extremely serialized, telling of events in a 24 hour period in a series of hour long episodes. But 24 (2001-2010) was about political intrigue, action, counter terrorism, espionage, etc., and 24 (2001-2010) is described as "an American action drama television series" in Wikipedia,not as a soap opera.



        One important method of telling a soap opera is its broadcast schedule. In the USA a prime time soap opera, like Dallas, would broadcast first run episodes once a week for about twenty odd weeks each year, and have reruns the other weeks of the year, with a schedule very similar to those of prime time shows that are not soap operas. But daytime soap operas tend to broadcast first run episodes five days a week, 52 weeks a year, with no reruns.



        Some soap operas were broadcast live, and so viewers got to see every production blooper made in every episode, though that is not a characteristic of prime time soap operas.



        And genres are not exclusive. It is perfectly possible for a series to be an example of two or more genres at once.



        A famous example is Dark Shadows (1966-1971), mentioned by Raj in his comment, a daytime soap opera that can also be considered an example of the suspense genre, sometimes the crime genre (a lot of crimes were committed), sometimes fantasy (there was a lot of magic), horror (vampires and werewolves, etc.), science fiction (time travel and alternate universes, etc.), and historical (characters traveled to past centuries and stayed there for months at a time), etc.



        Or some people might claim that Dark Shadows (1966-1971) was an example of the Dark Shadows genre, being a genre to itself.



        Another soap opera example is Passions (1999-2008) which was a soap opera with strong supernatural elements. One of the main characters was a witch, Tabitha, who was so powerful that she brought a doll, Timmy, to life, & he become another character on the show.



        (curiously, according to this site, Passions (1999-2008) is in the same fictional universe - imaginatively labeled as Group 10 - as a few other series, including all the Star Trek series.)



        Another famous example is Get Smart (1965-1970), a situation comedy which was also a spy series. The protagonists were in deadly danger in almost every episode, and killed a lot of people, which is very unusual for a situation comedy.



        So it is possible for a series to be both a soap opera and a horse opera, a soap opera and a space opera, a soap opera and a spy drama, a soap opera and a medical show, etc., etc., and some people may be able to suggest a number of examples of such hybrid, multi-genre series.






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          I would say daytime soaps are distinguished by having their airing schedule and production style and that serialization is not enough to make a show a soap or even partly a soap. Radio dramas of various genres were sometimes partly serialized before TV.

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        • If I'm reading your definition right, it basically boils down to a serialized show about ordinary people without "genre" elements. But I can think of many shows that fit this description that I don't think are usually considered "soap operas": Gilmore Girls, Party of Five, Everwood, 7th Heaven, etc. Heck, This Is Us fits your description except for its multiple-timeline conceit, but that's not really enough to make it a "genre" show. It may just be that there's no bright line between "soap operas" and "not soap operas".

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        Wikipedia's definition of soap opera is obviously flawed. If it was a perfect definition of soap opera you wouldn't have any questions about which shows are soap opera and which are not.



        Of course, it's much easier to see that a definition is flawed than to to come up with a better definition and very hard to come up with a flawless definition (or to be able to tell whether a definition is flawed or flawless).



        So let's start with Wikipedia's definition of soap opera and change it a little.



        Wikipedia's definition of soap operas is:




        A soap opera is an ongoing drama serial on television or radio, featuring the lives of many characters and their familial, platonic and intimate relationships. The term soap opera originated from radio dramas being sponsored by soap manufacturers.




        So I might change the definition to something like this:



        A soap opera is an ongoing drama serial on television or radio, primarily featuring the day to day lives of many characters, who are more or less ordinary people, and their familial, platonic and intimate relationships, in more or less ordinary situations, and created to be primarily an example of the soap opera genre. The term soap opera originated from radio dramas being sponsored by soap manufacturers.



        I added primarily to show the main focus of a typical soap opera, and I emphasized that the characters and the situations they are in are more or less ordinary - in some soap operas more or less ordinary than in others.



        In recent decades more and more dramatic programs in the USA have become more serialized and less episodic. Thus they come to resemble soap operas in some ways. But those shows are often primarily intended to be examples of the crime, fantasy, historical, horror, medical, police, suspense, spy, science fiction, western, etc. genres, and not primarily soap operas.



        I added "created to be primarily an example of the soap opera genre." to help distinguish shows that could be considered "true" soap operas from other shows, shows that are like soap operas but are primarily examples of other genres like crime, fantasy, historical, horror, medical, police, suspense, spy, science fiction, western, etc.



        For example, most Star Trek series are episodic, with each episode being a separate story. In fact, I favor the theory that most episodes of most Star Trek series happen in alternate universes of their own, separate from the alternate universes of other episodes within their series.



        But a number of Star Trek series had continuing story arcs spread out over a few or sometimes many episodes and thus seemed much more serialized than the original Star Trek and more like soap operas than like pure episodic shows. But they differ from soap operas in being partially episodic and partially serialized instead of totally serialized, and by being primarily science fiction space opera shows where the characters are in situations which are certainly not ordinary for the viewers in the present and often get highly unusual even for the future society the future characters live in.



        The main focus of even the most serialized Star Trek series is science fiction space opera type events, and the day to day daily activities of ordinary people, even the ordinary people of a future society, are not the prime focus, as they would be in a true science fiction soap opera.



        Each season of 24 (2001-2010) was extremely serialized, telling of events in a 24 hour period in a series of hour long episodes. But 24 (2001-2010) was about political intrigue, action, counter terrorism, espionage, etc., and 24 (2001-2010) is described as "an American action drama television series" in Wikipedia,not as a soap opera.



        One important method of telling a soap opera is its broadcast schedule. In the USA a prime time soap opera, like Dallas, would broadcast first run episodes once a week for about twenty odd weeks each year, and have reruns the other weeks of the year, with a schedule very similar to those of prime time shows that are not soap operas. But daytime soap operas tend to broadcast first run episodes five days a week, 52 weeks a year, with no reruns.



        Some soap operas were broadcast live, and so viewers got to see every production blooper made in every episode, though that is not a characteristic of prime time soap operas.



        And genres are not exclusive. It is perfectly possible for a series to be an example of two or more genres at once.



        A famous example is Dark Shadows (1966-1971), mentioned by Raj in his comment, a daytime soap opera that can also be considered an example of the suspense genre, sometimes the crime genre (a lot of crimes were committed), sometimes fantasy (there was a lot of magic), horror (vampires and werewolves, etc.), science fiction (time travel and alternate universes, etc.), and historical (characters traveled to past centuries and stayed there for months at a time), etc.



        Or some people might claim that Dark Shadows (1966-1971) was an example of the Dark Shadows genre, being a genre to itself.



        Another soap opera example is Passions (1999-2008) which was a soap opera with strong supernatural elements. One of the main characters was a witch, Tabitha, who was so powerful that she brought a doll, Timmy, to life, & he become another character on the show.



        (curiously, according to this site, Passions (1999-2008) is in the same fictional universe - imaginatively labeled as Group 10 - as a few other series, including all the Star Trek series.)



        Another famous example is Get Smart (1965-1970), a situation comedy which was also a spy series. The protagonists were in deadly danger in almost every episode, and killed a lot of people, which is very unusual for a situation comedy.



        So it is possible for a series to be both a soap opera and a horse opera, a soap opera and a space opera, a soap opera and a spy drama, a soap opera and a medical show, etc., etc., and some people may be able to suggest a number of examples of such hybrid, multi-genre series.






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        Wikipedia's definition of soap opera is obviously flawed. If it was a perfect definition of soap opera you wouldn't have any questions about which shows are soap opera and which are not.



        Of course, it's much easier to see that a definition is flawed than to to come up with a better definition and very hard to come up with a flawless definition (or to be able to tell whether a definition is flawed or flawless).



        So let's start with Wikipedia's definition of soap opera and change it a little.



        Wikipedia's definition of soap operas is:




        A soap opera is an ongoing drama serial on television or radio, featuring the lives of many characters and their familial, platonic and intimate relationships. The term soap opera originated from radio dramas being sponsored by soap manufacturers.




        So I might change the definition to something like this:



        A soap opera is an ongoing drama serial on television or radio, primarily featuring the day to day lives of many characters, who are more or less ordinary people, and their familial, platonic and intimate relationships, in more or less ordinary situations, and created to be primarily an example of the soap opera genre. The term soap opera originated from radio dramas being sponsored by soap manufacturers.



        I added primarily to show the main focus of a typical soap opera, and I emphasized that the characters and the situations they are in are more or less ordinary - in some soap operas more or less ordinary than in others.



        In recent decades more and more dramatic programs in the USA have become more serialized and less episodic. Thus they come to resemble soap operas in some ways. But those shows are often primarily intended to be examples of the crime, fantasy, historical, horror, medical, police, suspense, spy, science fiction, western, etc. genres, and not primarily soap operas.



        I added "created to be primarily an example of the soap opera genre." to help distinguish shows that could be considered "true" soap operas from other shows, shows that are like soap operas but are primarily examples of other genres like crime, fantasy, historical, horror, medical, police, suspense, spy, science fiction, western, etc.



        For example, most Star Trek series are episodic, with each episode being a separate story. In fact, I favor the theory that most episodes of most Star Trek series happen in alternate universes of their own, separate from the alternate universes of other episodes within their series.



        But a number of Star Trek series had continuing story arcs spread out over a few or sometimes many episodes and thus seemed much more serialized than the original Star Trek and more like soap operas than like pure episodic shows. But they differ from soap operas in being partially episodic and partially serialized instead of totally serialized, and by being primarily science fiction space opera shows where the characters are in situations which are certainly not ordinary for the viewers in the present and often get highly unusual even for the future society the future characters live in.



        The main focus of even the most serialized Star Trek series is science fiction space opera type events, and the day to day daily activities of ordinary people, even the ordinary people of a future society, are not the prime focus, as they would be in a true science fiction soap opera.



        Each season of 24 (2001-2010) was extremely serialized, telling of events in a 24 hour period in a series of hour long episodes. But 24 (2001-2010) was about political intrigue, action, counter terrorism, espionage, etc., and 24 (2001-2010) is described as "an American action drama television series" in Wikipedia,not as a soap opera.



        One important method of telling a soap opera is its broadcast schedule. In the USA a prime time soap opera, like Dallas, would broadcast first run episodes once a week for about twenty odd weeks each year, and have reruns the other weeks of the year, with a schedule very similar to those of prime time shows that are not soap operas. But daytime soap operas tend to broadcast first run episodes five days a week, 52 weeks a year, with no reruns.



        Some soap operas were broadcast live, and so viewers got to see every production blooper made in every episode, though that is not a characteristic of prime time soap operas.



        And genres are not exclusive. It is perfectly possible for a series to be an example of two or more genres at once.



        A famous example is Dark Shadows (1966-1971), mentioned by Raj in his comment, a daytime soap opera that can also be considered an example of the suspense genre, sometimes the crime genre (a lot of crimes were committed), sometimes fantasy (there was a lot of magic), horror (vampires and werewolves, etc.), science fiction (time travel and alternate universes, etc.), and historical (characters traveled to past centuries and stayed there for months at a time), etc.



        Or some people might claim that Dark Shadows (1966-1971) was an example of the Dark Shadows genre, being a genre to itself.



        Another soap opera example is Passions (1999-2008) which was a soap opera with strong supernatural elements. One of the main characters was a witch, Tabitha, who was so powerful that she brought a doll, Timmy, to life, & he become another character on the show.



        (curiously, according to this site, Passions (1999-2008) is in the same fictional universe - imaginatively labeled as Group 10 - as a few other series, including all the Star Trek series.)



        Another famous example is Get Smart (1965-1970), a situation comedy which was also a spy series. The protagonists were in deadly danger in almost every episode, and killed a lot of people, which is very unusual for a situation comedy.



        So it is possible for a series to be both a soap opera and a horse opera, a soap opera and a space opera, a soap opera and a spy drama, a soap opera and a medical show, etc., etc., and some people may be able to suggest a number of examples of such hybrid, multi-genre series.







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          I would say daytime soaps are distinguished by having their airing schedule and production style and that serialization is not enough to make a show a soap or even partly a soap. Radio dramas of various genres were sometimes partly serialized before TV.

          – Todd Wilcox
          14 hours ago











        • If I'm reading your definition right, it basically boils down to a serialized show about ordinary people without "genre" elements. But I can think of many shows that fit this description that I don't think are usually considered "soap operas": Gilmore Girls, Party of Five, Everwood, 7th Heaven, etc. Heck, This Is Us fits your description except for its multiple-timeline conceit, but that's not really enough to make it a "genre" show. It may just be that there's no bright line between "soap operas" and "not soap operas".

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          I would say daytime soaps are distinguished by having their airing schedule and production style and that serialization is not enough to make a show a soap or even partly a soap. Radio dramas of various genres were sometimes partly serialized before TV.

          – Todd Wilcox
          14 hours ago











        • If I'm reading your definition right, it basically boils down to a serialized show about ordinary people without "genre" elements. But I can think of many shows that fit this description that I don't think are usually considered "soap operas": Gilmore Girls, Party of Five, Everwood, 7th Heaven, etc. Heck, This Is Us fits your description except for its multiple-timeline conceit, but that's not really enough to make it a "genre" show. It may just be that there's no bright line between "soap operas" and "not soap operas".

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        I would say daytime soaps are distinguished by having their airing schedule and production style and that serialization is not enough to make a show a soap or even partly a soap. Radio dramas of various genres were sometimes partly serialized before TV.

        – Todd Wilcox
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        I would say daytime soaps are distinguished by having their airing schedule and production style and that serialization is not enough to make a show a soap or even partly a soap. Radio dramas of various genres were sometimes partly serialized before TV.

        – Todd Wilcox
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        If I'm reading your definition right, it basically boils down to a serialized show about ordinary people without "genre" elements. But I can think of many shows that fit this description that I don't think are usually considered "soap operas": Gilmore Girls, Party of Five, Everwood, 7th Heaven, etc. Heck, This Is Us fits your description except for its multiple-timeline conceit, but that's not really enough to make it a "genre" show. It may just be that there's no bright line between "soap operas" and "not soap operas".

        – Michael Seifert
        3 hours ago





        If I'm reading your definition right, it basically boils down to a serialized show about ordinary people without "genre" elements. But I can think of many shows that fit this description that I don't think are usually considered "soap operas": Gilmore Girls, Party of Five, Everwood, 7th Heaven, etc. Heck, This Is Us fits your description except for its multiple-timeline conceit, but that's not really enough to make it a "genre" show. It may just be that there's no bright line between "soap operas" and "not soap operas".

        – Michael Seifert
        3 hours ago













        9














        TLDR: A "Soap" is a serialized show that's about ordinary people having interpersonal drama. There's not a high concept, story arc, external villains, or greater purpose.



        Don't confuse "serialized" and "soap opera".



        Not Serialized



        What serialization isn't: From the 1960s to 1990s, in the vast majority of TV shows, every episode starts the same, and ends right there. Wesley has saved the day, Riker's latest fling has moved on, Sam Beckett has finished his work and "quantum leapt", Monk and Psych solve the case, etc. The show always reset back to starting conditions; no evolution ever happened, it's jokingly called "Groundhog Day". That's because real money was made in syndication, and small stations don't want to deal with airing sequence, and want a show anyone can start at any episode and enjoy. If you catch the show every Monday at the laundromat (even though it airs daily), that should work.



        Serialized (not soap)



        Some shows threw away the opportunities for syndication, to tell a deeper tale in a big story arc. The apocryphal example being Babylon-5. They became serialized - there are fewer (or no) "Groundhog Day" episodes, events cause irrevocable changes, and it's super confusing to join in the middle. If you catch the show every Monday at the laundromat, you'll be totally confused - why is Babylon-5 fighting Earth all of a sudden?



        You're expected to watch from episode 1. This is a big difference between serials and soaps - you can't possibly watch a soap opera from episode 1; they're so hastily produced they didn't even keep the tapes.



        Soap operas



        The prototypical soap opera was a show like General Hospital. These aired for 30 minutes every weekday. They were cheap shows to begin with, and at that tempo, they pretty much had to be done live, or in a live (3-camera) format with very simple editing. They were so cheap they didn't bother filming or videotaping the as-aired episodes. Needless to say, they're not meant to start watching at episode 1; you're expected to join the fun today and then tune in tomorrow. They certainly didn't deal with "big head" stuff like intergalactic wars, because that's too hard to join in the middle.



        But the writing makes them a "soap" - it was hasty, and was all about interpersonal relationships, because that's universally appealing and easy to film in simple sets. No high-concept stories, no epics, no big arcs, it's just people living daily lives bickering and making interpersonal drama (literally).



        Some series may have higher production values (Dallas being an apocryphal example) but what makes them a soap is




        • Serialized

        • About interpersonal drama, without an epic, high-concept story.



        Soap: Gossip Girl, What/If, Pretty Little Liars, Revenge



        Non-Soap: Orphan Black, Man in the High Castle, Humans, Halt and Catch Fire






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          Yes, best answer so far! However, I would still not call prime-time TV series like Gossip Girl soaps because of all the other reasons you mentioned (production value, air time, story arcs). It's just a drama series.

          – Ian
          4 hours ago






        • 2





          Is "apocryphal" really how you want to describe Dallas? I'm pretty sure it did in fact exist.

          – Michael Seifert
          3 hours ago











        • @Ian Agreed. Gossip Girl and the other shows listed with it are not soaps. They might have many things in common with soaps, but they're not soaps because no one calls them soaps.

          – only_pro
          53 mins ago
















        9














        TLDR: A "Soap" is a serialized show that's about ordinary people having interpersonal drama. There's not a high concept, story arc, external villains, or greater purpose.



        Don't confuse "serialized" and "soap opera".



        Not Serialized



        What serialization isn't: From the 1960s to 1990s, in the vast majority of TV shows, every episode starts the same, and ends right there. Wesley has saved the day, Riker's latest fling has moved on, Sam Beckett has finished his work and "quantum leapt", Monk and Psych solve the case, etc. The show always reset back to starting conditions; no evolution ever happened, it's jokingly called "Groundhog Day". That's because real money was made in syndication, and small stations don't want to deal with airing sequence, and want a show anyone can start at any episode and enjoy. If you catch the show every Monday at the laundromat (even though it airs daily), that should work.



        Serialized (not soap)



        Some shows threw away the opportunities for syndication, to tell a deeper tale in a big story arc. The apocryphal example being Babylon-5. They became serialized - there are fewer (or no) "Groundhog Day" episodes, events cause irrevocable changes, and it's super confusing to join in the middle. If you catch the show every Monday at the laundromat, you'll be totally confused - why is Babylon-5 fighting Earth all of a sudden?



        You're expected to watch from episode 1. This is a big difference between serials and soaps - you can't possibly watch a soap opera from episode 1; they're so hastily produced they didn't even keep the tapes.



        Soap operas



        The prototypical soap opera was a show like General Hospital. These aired for 30 minutes every weekday. They were cheap shows to begin with, and at that tempo, they pretty much had to be done live, or in a live (3-camera) format with very simple editing. They were so cheap they didn't bother filming or videotaping the as-aired episodes. Needless to say, they're not meant to start watching at episode 1; you're expected to join the fun today and then tune in tomorrow. They certainly didn't deal with "big head" stuff like intergalactic wars, because that's too hard to join in the middle.



        But the writing makes them a "soap" - it was hasty, and was all about interpersonal relationships, because that's universally appealing and easy to film in simple sets. No high-concept stories, no epics, no big arcs, it's just people living daily lives bickering and making interpersonal drama (literally).



        Some series may have higher production values (Dallas being an apocryphal example) but what makes them a soap is




        • Serialized

        • About interpersonal drama, without an epic, high-concept story.



        Soap: Gossip Girl, What/If, Pretty Little Liars, Revenge



        Non-Soap: Orphan Black, Man in the High Castle, Humans, Halt and Catch Fire






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          Yes, best answer so far! However, I would still not call prime-time TV series like Gossip Girl soaps because of all the other reasons you mentioned (production value, air time, story arcs). It's just a drama series.

          – Ian
          4 hours ago






        • 2





          Is "apocryphal" really how you want to describe Dallas? I'm pretty sure it did in fact exist.

          – Michael Seifert
          3 hours ago











        • @Ian Agreed. Gossip Girl and the other shows listed with it are not soaps. They might have many things in common with soaps, but they're not soaps because no one calls them soaps.

          – only_pro
          53 mins ago














        9












        9








        9







        TLDR: A "Soap" is a serialized show that's about ordinary people having interpersonal drama. There's not a high concept, story arc, external villains, or greater purpose.



        Don't confuse "serialized" and "soap opera".



        Not Serialized



        What serialization isn't: From the 1960s to 1990s, in the vast majority of TV shows, every episode starts the same, and ends right there. Wesley has saved the day, Riker's latest fling has moved on, Sam Beckett has finished his work and "quantum leapt", Monk and Psych solve the case, etc. The show always reset back to starting conditions; no evolution ever happened, it's jokingly called "Groundhog Day". That's because real money was made in syndication, and small stations don't want to deal with airing sequence, and want a show anyone can start at any episode and enjoy. If you catch the show every Monday at the laundromat (even though it airs daily), that should work.



        Serialized (not soap)



        Some shows threw away the opportunities for syndication, to tell a deeper tale in a big story arc. The apocryphal example being Babylon-5. They became serialized - there are fewer (or no) "Groundhog Day" episodes, events cause irrevocable changes, and it's super confusing to join in the middle. If you catch the show every Monday at the laundromat, you'll be totally confused - why is Babylon-5 fighting Earth all of a sudden?



        You're expected to watch from episode 1. This is a big difference between serials and soaps - you can't possibly watch a soap opera from episode 1; they're so hastily produced they didn't even keep the tapes.



        Soap operas



        The prototypical soap opera was a show like General Hospital. These aired for 30 minutes every weekday. They were cheap shows to begin with, and at that tempo, they pretty much had to be done live, or in a live (3-camera) format with very simple editing. They were so cheap they didn't bother filming or videotaping the as-aired episodes. Needless to say, they're not meant to start watching at episode 1; you're expected to join the fun today and then tune in tomorrow. They certainly didn't deal with "big head" stuff like intergalactic wars, because that's too hard to join in the middle.



        But the writing makes them a "soap" - it was hasty, and was all about interpersonal relationships, because that's universally appealing and easy to film in simple sets. No high-concept stories, no epics, no big arcs, it's just people living daily lives bickering and making interpersonal drama (literally).



        Some series may have higher production values (Dallas being an apocryphal example) but what makes them a soap is




        • Serialized

        • About interpersonal drama, without an epic, high-concept story.



        Soap: Gossip Girl, What/If, Pretty Little Liars, Revenge



        Non-Soap: Orphan Black, Man in the High Castle, Humans, Halt and Catch Fire






        share













        TLDR: A "Soap" is a serialized show that's about ordinary people having interpersonal drama. There's not a high concept, story arc, external villains, or greater purpose.



        Don't confuse "serialized" and "soap opera".



        Not Serialized



        What serialization isn't: From the 1960s to 1990s, in the vast majority of TV shows, every episode starts the same, and ends right there. Wesley has saved the day, Riker's latest fling has moved on, Sam Beckett has finished his work and "quantum leapt", Monk and Psych solve the case, etc. The show always reset back to starting conditions; no evolution ever happened, it's jokingly called "Groundhog Day". That's because real money was made in syndication, and small stations don't want to deal with airing sequence, and want a show anyone can start at any episode and enjoy. If you catch the show every Monday at the laundromat (even though it airs daily), that should work.



        Serialized (not soap)



        Some shows threw away the opportunities for syndication, to tell a deeper tale in a big story arc. The apocryphal example being Babylon-5. They became serialized - there are fewer (or no) "Groundhog Day" episodes, events cause irrevocable changes, and it's super confusing to join in the middle. If you catch the show every Monday at the laundromat, you'll be totally confused - why is Babylon-5 fighting Earth all of a sudden?



        You're expected to watch from episode 1. This is a big difference between serials and soaps - you can't possibly watch a soap opera from episode 1; they're so hastily produced they didn't even keep the tapes.



        Soap operas



        The prototypical soap opera was a show like General Hospital. These aired for 30 minutes every weekday. They were cheap shows to begin with, and at that tempo, they pretty much had to be done live, or in a live (3-camera) format with very simple editing. They were so cheap they didn't bother filming or videotaping the as-aired episodes. Needless to say, they're not meant to start watching at episode 1; you're expected to join the fun today and then tune in tomorrow. They certainly didn't deal with "big head" stuff like intergalactic wars, because that's too hard to join in the middle.



        But the writing makes them a "soap" - it was hasty, and was all about interpersonal relationships, because that's universally appealing and easy to film in simple sets. No high-concept stories, no epics, no big arcs, it's just people living daily lives bickering and making interpersonal drama (literally).



        Some series may have higher production values (Dallas being an apocryphal example) but what makes them a soap is




        • Serialized

        • About interpersonal drama, without an epic, high-concept story.



        Soap: Gossip Girl, What/If, Pretty Little Liars, Revenge



        Non-Soap: Orphan Black, Man in the High Castle, Humans, Halt and Catch Fire







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          Yes, best answer so far! However, I would still not call prime-time TV series like Gossip Girl soaps because of all the other reasons you mentioned (production value, air time, story arcs). It's just a drama series.

          – Ian
          4 hours ago






        • 2





          Is "apocryphal" really how you want to describe Dallas? I'm pretty sure it did in fact exist.

          – Michael Seifert
          3 hours ago











        • @Ian Agreed. Gossip Girl and the other shows listed with it are not soaps. They might have many things in common with soaps, but they're not soaps because no one calls them soaps.

          – only_pro
          53 mins ago














        • 3





          Yes, best answer so far! However, I would still not call prime-time TV series like Gossip Girl soaps because of all the other reasons you mentioned (production value, air time, story arcs). It's just a drama series.

          – Ian
          4 hours ago






        • 2





          Is "apocryphal" really how you want to describe Dallas? I'm pretty sure it did in fact exist.

          – Michael Seifert
          3 hours ago











        • @Ian Agreed. Gossip Girl and the other shows listed with it are not soaps. They might have many things in common with soaps, but they're not soaps because no one calls them soaps.

          – only_pro
          53 mins ago








        3




        3





        Yes, best answer so far! However, I would still not call prime-time TV series like Gossip Girl soaps because of all the other reasons you mentioned (production value, air time, story arcs). It's just a drama series.

        – Ian
        4 hours ago





        Yes, best answer so far! However, I would still not call prime-time TV series like Gossip Girl soaps because of all the other reasons you mentioned (production value, air time, story arcs). It's just a drama series.

        – Ian
        4 hours ago




        2




        2





        Is "apocryphal" really how you want to describe Dallas? I'm pretty sure it did in fact exist.

        – Michael Seifert
        3 hours ago





        Is "apocryphal" really how you want to describe Dallas? I'm pretty sure it did in fact exist.

        – Michael Seifert
        3 hours ago













        @Ian Agreed. Gossip Girl and the other shows listed with it are not soaps. They might have many things in common with soaps, but they're not soaps because no one calls them soaps.

        – only_pro
        53 mins ago





        @Ian Agreed. Gossip Girl and the other shows listed with it are not soaps. They might have many things in common with soaps, but they're not soaps because no one calls them soaps.

        – only_pro
        53 mins ago











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        I asked a similar question myself a few years ago because it didn't make sense to me. One of my favorite old shows was simply called "Soap", and as a young kid, I didn't get the joke.



        The term "soap" comes from the fact that many shows in the golden age of television were, in fact, sponsored by soap and detergent manufacturers. Many of the original shows aired during the daytime and featured the serialized goings-on within a household or extended family with a recurring cast. These shows attracted a lot of stay-at-home female viewers who were the target demographic for these types of commercial placements.



        As time went on into the 70's, more risqué and controversial subject matters entered the storylines, as did more diversity. They also played around with airing them at different times of day. Nonetheless, the soaps continued their tradition of concurrent, drawn-out story arcs with defined beginnings and endings.



        So, if you are watching a show with storylines that span numerous episodes or even seasons, like Game of Thrones, it tends to fall in the category of a soap.






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          I don't think many people would categorize Game of Thrones as a soap opera. For the most parts, soaps don't have additional "spectacular" features such as magic, dragons, or bloody battles, as well as other "spectacular" features like robots, car chases, and spaceships. The main thrust is on the relationships among everyday people. GOT has a lot to do with relationships, but they are often overshadowed by the spectacular features of the show.

          – BrettFromLA
          23 hours ago






        • 3





          I used to think the same thing myself, @BrettFromLA, but there's an article on Vulture about how Game of Thrones and other primetime shows are modern-day soaps: vulture.com/2015/10/primetime-soap-operas-are-back.html

          – alondo
          23 hours ago






        • 2





          Interesting article, and it underscores (to me) how various genres aren't distinct like they were originally. TV & movies now often encompasses features from multiple genres: the dramedy, news-entertainment hybrids, legal procedural comedies like Boston Legal and Ally McBeal, etc.

          – BrettFromLA
          21 hours ago






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          Soap opera stories didn’t end. Or at least one always ran into the next. Unless it’s called a “prime time soap opera”, a soap opera runs during the day on network television. Soap operas do not have other genre elements, meaning they are set more or less in the present day with regular people doing regular things. There’s also a specific story style to soaps. You could get to make the case that ER or House were prime time soaps (I think it’s clear they weren’t but it’s arguable), but GoT is definitely nothing like a soap opera in any way.

          – Todd Wilcox
          14 hours ago






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          I like that this answer tells the origin of the word soap opera, but I strongly disagree with the definition of soaps. "a show with storylines that span numerous episodes or even seasons" is just a series. This definition fits to almost everything, even documentaries.

          – Ian
          9 hours ago
















        8














        I asked a similar question myself a few years ago because it didn't make sense to me. One of my favorite old shows was simply called "Soap", and as a young kid, I didn't get the joke.



        The term "soap" comes from the fact that many shows in the golden age of television were, in fact, sponsored by soap and detergent manufacturers. Many of the original shows aired during the daytime and featured the serialized goings-on within a household or extended family with a recurring cast. These shows attracted a lot of stay-at-home female viewers who were the target demographic for these types of commercial placements.



        As time went on into the 70's, more risqué and controversial subject matters entered the storylines, as did more diversity. They also played around with airing them at different times of day. Nonetheless, the soaps continued their tradition of concurrent, drawn-out story arcs with defined beginnings and endings.



        So, if you are watching a show with storylines that span numerous episodes or even seasons, like Game of Thrones, it tends to fall in the category of a soap.






        share|improve this answer





















        • 17





          I don't think many people would categorize Game of Thrones as a soap opera. For the most parts, soaps don't have additional "spectacular" features such as magic, dragons, or bloody battles, as well as other "spectacular" features like robots, car chases, and spaceships. The main thrust is on the relationships among everyday people. GOT has a lot to do with relationships, but they are often overshadowed by the spectacular features of the show.

          – BrettFromLA
          23 hours ago






        • 3





          I used to think the same thing myself, @BrettFromLA, but there's an article on Vulture about how Game of Thrones and other primetime shows are modern-day soaps: vulture.com/2015/10/primetime-soap-operas-are-back.html

          – alondo
          23 hours ago






        • 2





          Interesting article, and it underscores (to me) how various genres aren't distinct like they were originally. TV & movies now often encompasses features from multiple genres: the dramedy, news-entertainment hybrids, legal procedural comedies like Boston Legal and Ally McBeal, etc.

          – BrettFromLA
          21 hours ago






        • 10





          Soap opera stories didn’t end. Or at least one always ran into the next. Unless it’s called a “prime time soap opera”, a soap opera runs during the day on network television. Soap operas do not have other genre elements, meaning they are set more or less in the present day with regular people doing regular things. There’s also a specific story style to soaps. You could get to make the case that ER or House were prime time soaps (I think it’s clear they weren’t but it’s arguable), but GoT is definitely nothing like a soap opera in any way.

          – Todd Wilcox
          14 hours ago






        • 10





          I like that this answer tells the origin of the word soap opera, but I strongly disagree with the definition of soaps. "a show with storylines that span numerous episodes or even seasons" is just a series. This definition fits to almost everything, even documentaries.

          – Ian
          9 hours ago














        8












        8








        8







        I asked a similar question myself a few years ago because it didn't make sense to me. One of my favorite old shows was simply called "Soap", and as a young kid, I didn't get the joke.



        The term "soap" comes from the fact that many shows in the golden age of television were, in fact, sponsored by soap and detergent manufacturers. Many of the original shows aired during the daytime and featured the serialized goings-on within a household or extended family with a recurring cast. These shows attracted a lot of stay-at-home female viewers who were the target demographic for these types of commercial placements.



        As time went on into the 70's, more risqué and controversial subject matters entered the storylines, as did more diversity. They also played around with airing them at different times of day. Nonetheless, the soaps continued their tradition of concurrent, drawn-out story arcs with defined beginnings and endings.



        So, if you are watching a show with storylines that span numerous episodes or even seasons, like Game of Thrones, it tends to fall in the category of a soap.






        share|improve this answer













        I asked a similar question myself a few years ago because it didn't make sense to me. One of my favorite old shows was simply called "Soap", and as a young kid, I didn't get the joke.



        The term "soap" comes from the fact that many shows in the golden age of television were, in fact, sponsored by soap and detergent manufacturers. Many of the original shows aired during the daytime and featured the serialized goings-on within a household or extended family with a recurring cast. These shows attracted a lot of stay-at-home female viewers who were the target demographic for these types of commercial placements.



        As time went on into the 70's, more risqué and controversial subject matters entered the storylines, as did more diversity. They also played around with airing them at different times of day. Nonetheless, the soaps continued their tradition of concurrent, drawn-out story arcs with defined beginnings and endings.



        So, if you are watching a show with storylines that span numerous episodes or even seasons, like Game of Thrones, it tends to fall in the category of a soap.







        share|improve this answer












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        answered 23 hours ago









        alondoalondo

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        • 17





          I don't think many people would categorize Game of Thrones as a soap opera. For the most parts, soaps don't have additional "spectacular" features such as magic, dragons, or bloody battles, as well as other "spectacular" features like robots, car chases, and spaceships. The main thrust is on the relationships among everyday people. GOT has a lot to do with relationships, but they are often overshadowed by the spectacular features of the show.

          – BrettFromLA
          23 hours ago






        • 3





          I used to think the same thing myself, @BrettFromLA, but there's an article on Vulture about how Game of Thrones and other primetime shows are modern-day soaps: vulture.com/2015/10/primetime-soap-operas-are-back.html

          – alondo
          23 hours ago






        • 2





          Interesting article, and it underscores (to me) how various genres aren't distinct like they were originally. TV & movies now often encompasses features from multiple genres: the dramedy, news-entertainment hybrids, legal procedural comedies like Boston Legal and Ally McBeal, etc.

          – BrettFromLA
          21 hours ago






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          Soap opera stories didn’t end. Or at least one always ran into the next. Unless it’s called a “prime time soap opera”, a soap opera runs during the day on network television. Soap operas do not have other genre elements, meaning they are set more or less in the present day with regular people doing regular things. There’s also a specific story style to soaps. You could get to make the case that ER or House were prime time soaps (I think it’s clear they weren’t but it’s arguable), but GoT is definitely nothing like a soap opera in any way.

          – Todd Wilcox
          14 hours ago






        • 10





          I like that this answer tells the origin of the word soap opera, but I strongly disagree with the definition of soaps. "a show with storylines that span numerous episodes or even seasons" is just a series. This definition fits to almost everything, even documentaries.

          – Ian
          9 hours ago














        • 17





          I don't think many people would categorize Game of Thrones as a soap opera. For the most parts, soaps don't have additional "spectacular" features such as magic, dragons, or bloody battles, as well as other "spectacular" features like robots, car chases, and spaceships. The main thrust is on the relationships among everyday people. GOT has a lot to do with relationships, but they are often overshadowed by the spectacular features of the show.

          – BrettFromLA
          23 hours ago






        • 3





          I used to think the same thing myself, @BrettFromLA, but there's an article on Vulture about how Game of Thrones and other primetime shows are modern-day soaps: vulture.com/2015/10/primetime-soap-operas-are-back.html

          – alondo
          23 hours ago






        • 2





          Interesting article, and it underscores (to me) how various genres aren't distinct like they were originally. TV & movies now often encompasses features from multiple genres: the dramedy, news-entertainment hybrids, legal procedural comedies like Boston Legal and Ally McBeal, etc.

          – BrettFromLA
          21 hours ago






        • 10





          Soap opera stories didn’t end. Or at least one always ran into the next. Unless it’s called a “prime time soap opera”, a soap opera runs during the day on network television. Soap operas do not have other genre elements, meaning they are set more or less in the present day with regular people doing regular things. There’s also a specific story style to soaps. You could get to make the case that ER or House were prime time soaps (I think it’s clear they weren’t but it’s arguable), but GoT is definitely nothing like a soap opera in any way.

          – Todd Wilcox
          14 hours ago






        • 10





          I like that this answer tells the origin of the word soap opera, but I strongly disagree with the definition of soaps. "a show with storylines that span numerous episodes or even seasons" is just a series. This definition fits to almost everything, even documentaries.

          – Ian
          9 hours ago








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        17





        I don't think many people would categorize Game of Thrones as a soap opera. For the most parts, soaps don't have additional "spectacular" features such as magic, dragons, or bloody battles, as well as other "spectacular" features like robots, car chases, and spaceships. The main thrust is on the relationships among everyday people. GOT has a lot to do with relationships, but they are often overshadowed by the spectacular features of the show.

        – BrettFromLA
        23 hours ago





        I don't think many people would categorize Game of Thrones as a soap opera. For the most parts, soaps don't have additional "spectacular" features such as magic, dragons, or bloody battles, as well as other "spectacular" features like robots, car chases, and spaceships. The main thrust is on the relationships among everyday people. GOT has a lot to do with relationships, but they are often overshadowed by the spectacular features of the show.

        – BrettFromLA
        23 hours ago




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        3





        I used to think the same thing myself, @BrettFromLA, but there's an article on Vulture about how Game of Thrones and other primetime shows are modern-day soaps: vulture.com/2015/10/primetime-soap-operas-are-back.html

        – alondo
        23 hours ago





        I used to think the same thing myself, @BrettFromLA, but there's an article on Vulture about how Game of Thrones and other primetime shows are modern-day soaps: vulture.com/2015/10/primetime-soap-operas-are-back.html

        – alondo
        23 hours ago




        2




        2





        Interesting article, and it underscores (to me) how various genres aren't distinct like they were originally. TV & movies now often encompasses features from multiple genres: the dramedy, news-entertainment hybrids, legal procedural comedies like Boston Legal and Ally McBeal, etc.

        – BrettFromLA
        21 hours ago





        Interesting article, and it underscores (to me) how various genres aren't distinct like they were originally. TV & movies now often encompasses features from multiple genres: the dramedy, news-entertainment hybrids, legal procedural comedies like Boston Legal and Ally McBeal, etc.

        – BrettFromLA
        21 hours ago




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        Soap opera stories didn’t end. Or at least one always ran into the next. Unless it’s called a “prime time soap opera”, a soap opera runs during the day on network television. Soap operas do not have other genre elements, meaning they are set more or less in the present day with regular people doing regular things. There’s also a specific story style to soaps. You could get to make the case that ER or House were prime time soaps (I think it’s clear they weren’t but it’s arguable), but GoT is definitely nothing like a soap opera in any way.

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        Soap opera stories didn’t end. Or at least one always ran into the next. Unless it’s called a “prime time soap opera”, a soap opera runs during the day on network television. Soap operas do not have other genre elements, meaning they are set more or less in the present day with regular people doing regular things. There’s also a specific story style to soaps. You could get to make the case that ER or House were prime time soaps (I think it’s clear they weren’t but it’s arguable), but GoT is definitely nothing like a soap opera in any way.

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        I like that this answer tells the origin of the word soap opera, but I strongly disagree with the definition of soaps. "a show with storylines that span numerous episodes or even seasons" is just a series. This definition fits to almost everything, even documentaries.

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        I like that this answer tells the origin of the word soap opera, but I strongly disagree with the definition of soaps. "a show with storylines that span numerous episodes or even seasons" is just a series. This definition fits to almost everything, even documentaries.

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        In the UK the term "soap" is usually used to refer to TV fictional dramas that broadcast new episodes regularly, without a break, featuring recurring characters and on-going plots. Broadcasts are usually made more than once a week, often daily. Less than once a week would probably not be considered a soap.



        Any show that has series or significant gaps in its broadcast schedule, or which has different stories and characters each week, is not considered to be a soap.



        Soaps are often associated with poor writing and acting, as well as a low budget since episodes are usually only shown once or twice and are produced at a rate of up to 5 a week.






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          In the UK the term "soap" is usually used to refer to TV fictional dramas that broadcast new episodes regularly, without a break, featuring recurring characters and on-going plots. Broadcasts are usually made more than once a week, often daily. Less than once a week would probably not be considered a soap.



          Any show that has series or significant gaps in its broadcast schedule, or which has different stories and characters each week, is not considered to be a soap.



          Soaps are often associated with poor writing and acting, as well as a low budget since episodes are usually only shown once or twice and are produced at a rate of up to 5 a week.






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            In the UK the term "soap" is usually used to refer to TV fictional dramas that broadcast new episodes regularly, without a break, featuring recurring characters and on-going plots. Broadcasts are usually made more than once a week, often daily. Less than once a week would probably not be considered a soap.



            Any show that has series or significant gaps in its broadcast schedule, or which has different stories and characters each week, is not considered to be a soap.



            Soaps are often associated with poor writing and acting, as well as a low budget since episodes are usually only shown once or twice and are produced at a rate of up to 5 a week.






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            In the UK the term "soap" is usually used to refer to TV fictional dramas that broadcast new episodes regularly, without a break, featuring recurring characters and on-going plots. Broadcasts are usually made more than once a week, often daily. Less than once a week would probably not be considered a soap.



            Any show that has series or significant gaps in its broadcast schedule, or which has different stories and characters each week, is not considered to be a soap.



            Soaps are often associated with poor writing and acting, as well as a low budget since episodes are usually only shown once or twice and are produced at a rate of up to 5 a week.







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                I disagree with the other answers here. Shows like Game of Thrones are obviously not soap operas, so the definition being used can't be accurate.



                A soap opera is defined, in my opinion, by its serialization scheme. A soap opera airs at least once a week (usually more) with no gaps between seasons. This is on top of requiring an ongoing storyline. By this definition, you only get actual soaps like Coronation Street .






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                  I disagree with the other answers here. Shows like Game of Thrones are obviously not soap operas, so the definition being used can't be accurate.



                  A soap opera is defined, in my opinion, by its serialization scheme. A soap opera airs at least once a week (usually more) with no gaps between seasons. This is on top of requiring an ongoing storyline. By this definition, you only get actual soaps like Coronation Street .






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                    I disagree with the other answers here. Shows like Game of Thrones are obviously not soap operas, so the definition being used can't be accurate.



                    A soap opera is defined, in my opinion, by its serialization scheme. A soap opera airs at least once a week (usually more) with no gaps between seasons. This is on top of requiring an ongoing storyline. By this definition, you only get actual soaps like Coronation Street .






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                    I disagree with the other answers here. Shows like Game of Thrones are obviously not soap operas, so the definition being used can't be accurate.



                    A soap opera is defined, in my opinion, by its serialization scheme. A soap opera airs at least once a week (usually more) with no gaps between seasons. This is on top of requiring an ongoing storyline. By this definition, you only get actual soaps like Coronation Street .







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                        Just to add to the conversation of answers here,



                        I think in very contemporary context, what a lot of modern Television takes from the original and often day-time AMERICAN TELEVISION soap operas, is not just this idea of interpersonal relationships, but also characters and the reactions to plots that tend to be VERY "melodramatic".



                        The following link is a article of a paper I found on the posisble correlation between Soap Operas and the Melodramatic, as the earliest forms coming from British Radio Soaps were often based in [British social] realism and make no mention of melodrama, when that argument is then counteracted when referring to American Prime Time Television with the likes of Dallas. In other words, I think the definition changed over time and through cultural (British to American) and medium (Radio to Television) differences and we now have both the original Soap Opera Realism & The Soap Opera Melodrama.



                        And as others have mentioned, it's these melodramatic elements are what allow many RECENT shows (Supergirl, Lucifer, Gilmore Girls) that are often sited to be primarily set in other drama genres (fantasy/superhero, crime/family, family) to still have "soapy" elements (interpersonal relationships and heavy romance) within the series and they often then also have a hybrid serialized and episodic structuring, which may also then go back to the original definition.



                        Some more recant contemporary examples of mixed genre shows with "Soapy" elements are



                        The Good Wife - Often toted as an "American legal & political Drama", is really a legal, political, family Dramedy & melodramatic romance. It's also a serialized-hybrid having both ongoing overarching arcs and 'case of the week' episodic elements within the bigger narrative(s). Click Here to see a decent breakdown of just how complex a single episode the Kings' series can be and how it is seamlessly able to mix that romantic melodrama into it's legal and political plots and physical scapes.




                        When the CBS legal drama/political soap opera hybrid debuted in 2009,
                        it was easy to identify the glaring similarities between the show and
                        the still-fresh details of the Spitzer prostitution scandal
                        that was
                        unveiled the previous spring. The series launched with an
                        all-too-familiar scene: Alicia Florrick (played with elegant ferocity
                        by Julianna Margulies) stands stunned and stonefaced next to her
                        politico husband (Chris Noth)—who had just been caught cheating on her
                        with a hooker—at his press conference announcing his resignation. It
                        was as if Margulies had taken care to recreate, second-by-second, the
                        expression worn by Silda Wall Spitzer as she stood by her husband in
                        the press conference that served as inspiration for the series.




                        Grey's Anatomy - Much truer to American day-time saops, Shanda Rhimes "medical drama" is much closer to soaps like General Hospital, as interpersonal relationships, especially romantic are always on display being the series' corner stone and like those often long-running television soaps of the 80's, Grey's is going on season 16! However, even though a lot of what's portrayed on the series, is medically inaccurate, two doctors are executive producers and the cases themselves are often taken seriously, which is most likley why, along with the heavy serialization,
                        Grey's is considered more of a "drama", despite those interpersonal romantic/family elements.




                        By any standards, Grey's Anatomy has been successful television,
                        ranking highly in the ratings for nine seasons and entering the
                        cultural lexicon via phrases as cloying yet catchy as 'McDreamy', the
                        show has had its periods of being intensely irritating, and it has had
                        its periods when it seems as if Shonda Rhimes has taken leave of her
                        faculties, but it's also got an amazingly high batting average,
                        particularly with every solid season that passes along in this second
                        act of its run." The site lauded the show saying, "On average, it's
                        been very good TV, filled with interesting, driven characters who run
                        the gamut of professions within the show's hospital setting. It's
                        been, by turns, a good soap, a good romantic comedy, a good medical
                        drama, and a good interpersonal show about an unexpected workplace
                        family.
                        --Samantha Highfill, Entertainment Weekly




                        Downton Abbey - Mostly seen as a British Historical Period Drama, really has a lot of melodrama coming from both it's upstairs/downstairs approach, along with racial and class divides providing for some juicy melodramatic romances such as Sybil & Tom, Mary & Matthew, or Rose & Jack, especially since all three tragically come to an end.




                        Downton Abbey has been a commercial success and received general
                        acclaim from critics, although some criticize it as superficial,
                        melodramatic or unrealistic. Others defend these qualities as the
                        reason for the show's appeal. David Kamp of Vanity Fair wrote,
                        "Melodrama is an uncool thing to trade in these days, but then, that's
                        precisely why Downton Abbey is so pleasurable. In its clear
                        delineation between the goodies and the baddies, in its regulated
                        dosages of highs and lows, the show is welcome counter-programming to
                        the slow-burning despair and moral ambiguity of most quality drama on
                        television right now."



                        Downton Abbey is a jointly produced UK-US period soap opera drama
                        that ran from 2010-2015 on ITV in the UK, and as a series on the long
                        running United States anthology series, Masterpiece, on PBS. It was
                        produced by Carnival Films/Masterpiece Productions.




                        So my own conclusion is that what Soap Operas originally were have been discarded or have evolved into varied categories either through a false perception given to the name/definition of American day-time television melodramatic shows that were "set-up" structurally like British soaps, and often visually contrasted the higher brow visuals of Hollywood (not unlike "Reality TV", I might add), which in itself also changed when someone tried to take the melodrama and interpersonal relationships aspects of those day-time soaps and apply them to a "drama" creating something like Dallas or it's spin off, Knotts Landing allowing them to have "soap operas" on prime time television and then these elements (structure, day in the life, melodrama) have now worked their way into other genres as well...






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                          Just to add to the conversation of answers here,



                          I think in very contemporary context, what a lot of modern Television takes from the original and often day-time AMERICAN TELEVISION soap operas, is not just this idea of interpersonal relationships, but also characters and the reactions to plots that tend to be VERY "melodramatic".



                          The following link is a article of a paper I found on the posisble correlation between Soap Operas and the Melodramatic, as the earliest forms coming from British Radio Soaps were often based in [British social] realism and make no mention of melodrama, when that argument is then counteracted when referring to American Prime Time Television with the likes of Dallas. In other words, I think the definition changed over time and through cultural (British to American) and medium (Radio to Television) differences and we now have both the original Soap Opera Realism & The Soap Opera Melodrama.



                          And as others have mentioned, it's these melodramatic elements are what allow many RECENT shows (Supergirl, Lucifer, Gilmore Girls) that are often sited to be primarily set in other drama genres (fantasy/superhero, crime/family, family) to still have "soapy" elements (interpersonal relationships and heavy romance) within the series and they often then also have a hybrid serialized and episodic structuring, which may also then go back to the original definition.



                          Some more recant contemporary examples of mixed genre shows with "Soapy" elements are



                          The Good Wife - Often toted as an "American legal & political Drama", is really a legal, political, family Dramedy & melodramatic romance. It's also a serialized-hybrid having both ongoing overarching arcs and 'case of the week' episodic elements within the bigger narrative(s). Click Here to see a decent breakdown of just how complex a single episode the Kings' series can be and how it is seamlessly able to mix that romantic melodrama into it's legal and political plots and physical scapes.




                          When the CBS legal drama/political soap opera hybrid debuted in 2009,
                          it was easy to identify the glaring similarities between the show and
                          the still-fresh details of the Spitzer prostitution scandal
                          that was
                          unveiled the previous spring. The series launched with an
                          all-too-familiar scene: Alicia Florrick (played with elegant ferocity
                          by Julianna Margulies) stands stunned and stonefaced next to her
                          politico husband (Chris Noth)—who had just been caught cheating on her
                          with a hooker—at his press conference announcing his resignation. It
                          was as if Margulies had taken care to recreate, second-by-second, the
                          expression worn by Silda Wall Spitzer as she stood by her husband in
                          the press conference that served as inspiration for the series.




                          Grey's Anatomy - Much truer to American day-time saops, Shanda Rhimes "medical drama" is much closer to soaps like General Hospital, as interpersonal relationships, especially romantic are always on display being the series' corner stone and like those often long-running television soaps of the 80's, Grey's is going on season 16! However, even though a lot of what's portrayed on the series, is medically inaccurate, two doctors are executive producers and the cases themselves are often taken seriously, which is most likley why, along with the heavy serialization,
                          Grey's is considered more of a "drama", despite those interpersonal romantic/family elements.




                          By any standards, Grey's Anatomy has been successful television,
                          ranking highly in the ratings for nine seasons and entering the
                          cultural lexicon via phrases as cloying yet catchy as 'McDreamy', the
                          show has had its periods of being intensely irritating, and it has had
                          its periods when it seems as if Shonda Rhimes has taken leave of her
                          faculties, but it's also got an amazingly high batting average,
                          particularly with every solid season that passes along in this second
                          act of its run." The site lauded the show saying, "On average, it's
                          been very good TV, filled with interesting, driven characters who run
                          the gamut of professions within the show's hospital setting. It's
                          been, by turns, a good soap, a good romantic comedy, a good medical
                          drama, and a good interpersonal show about an unexpected workplace
                          family.
                          --Samantha Highfill, Entertainment Weekly




                          Downton Abbey - Mostly seen as a British Historical Period Drama, really has a lot of melodrama coming from both it's upstairs/downstairs approach, along with racial and class divides providing for some juicy melodramatic romances such as Sybil & Tom, Mary & Matthew, or Rose & Jack, especially since all three tragically come to an end.




                          Downton Abbey has been a commercial success and received general
                          acclaim from critics, although some criticize it as superficial,
                          melodramatic or unrealistic. Others defend these qualities as the
                          reason for the show's appeal. David Kamp of Vanity Fair wrote,
                          "Melodrama is an uncool thing to trade in these days, but then, that's
                          precisely why Downton Abbey is so pleasurable. In its clear
                          delineation between the goodies and the baddies, in its regulated
                          dosages of highs and lows, the show is welcome counter-programming to
                          the slow-burning despair and moral ambiguity of most quality drama on
                          television right now."



                          Downton Abbey is a jointly produced UK-US period soap opera drama
                          that ran from 2010-2015 on ITV in the UK, and as a series on the long
                          running United States anthology series, Masterpiece, on PBS. It was
                          produced by Carnival Films/Masterpiece Productions.




                          So my own conclusion is that what Soap Operas originally were have been discarded or have evolved into varied categories either through a false perception given to the name/definition of American day-time television melodramatic shows that were "set-up" structurally like British soaps, and often visually contrasted the higher brow visuals of Hollywood (not unlike "Reality TV", I might add), which in itself also changed when someone tried to take the melodrama and interpersonal relationships aspects of those day-time soaps and apply them to a "drama" creating something like Dallas or it's spin off, Knotts Landing allowing them to have "soap operas" on prime time television and then these elements (structure, day in the life, melodrama) have now worked their way into other genres as well...






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                            Just to add to the conversation of answers here,



                            I think in very contemporary context, what a lot of modern Television takes from the original and often day-time AMERICAN TELEVISION soap operas, is not just this idea of interpersonal relationships, but also characters and the reactions to plots that tend to be VERY "melodramatic".



                            The following link is a article of a paper I found on the posisble correlation between Soap Operas and the Melodramatic, as the earliest forms coming from British Radio Soaps were often based in [British social] realism and make no mention of melodrama, when that argument is then counteracted when referring to American Prime Time Television with the likes of Dallas. In other words, I think the definition changed over time and through cultural (British to American) and medium (Radio to Television) differences and we now have both the original Soap Opera Realism & The Soap Opera Melodrama.



                            And as others have mentioned, it's these melodramatic elements are what allow many RECENT shows (Supergirl, Lucifer, Gilmore Girls) that are often sited to be primarily set in other drama genres (fantasy/superhero, crime/family, family) to still have "soapy" elements (interpersonal relationships and heavy romance) within the series and they often then also have a hybrid serialized and episodic structuring, which may also then go back to the original definition.



                            Some more recant contemporary examples of mixed genre shows with "Soapy" elements are



                            The Good Wife - Often toted as an "American legal & political Drama", is really a legal, political, family Dramedy & melodramatic romance. It's also a serialized-hybrid having both ongoing overarching arcs and 'case of the week' episodic elements within the bigger narrative(s). Click Here to see a decent breakdown of just how complex a single episode the Kings' series can be and how it is seamlessly able to mix that romantic melodrama into it's legal and political plots and physical scapes.




                            When the CBS legal drama/political soap opera hybrid debuted in 2009,
                            it was easy to identify the glaring similarities between the show and
                            the still-fresh details of the Spitzer prostitution scandal
                            that was
                            unveiled the previous spring. The series launched with an
                            all-too-familiar scene: Alicia Florrick (played with elegant ferocity
                            by Julianna Margulies) stands stunned and stonefaced next to her
                            politico husband (Chris Noth)—who had just been caught cheating on her
                            with a hooker—at his press conference announcing his resignation. It
                            was as if Margulies had taken care to recreate, second-by-second, the
                            expression worn by Silda Wall Spitzer as she stood by her husband in
                            the press conference that served as inspiration for the series.




                            Grey's Anatomy - Much truer to American day-time saops, Shanda Rhimes "medical drama" is much closer to soaps like General Hospital, as interpersonal relationships, especially romantic are always on display being the series' corner stone and like those often long-running television soaps of the 80's, Grey's is going on season 16! However, even though a lot of what's portrayed on the series, is medically inaccurate, two doctors are executive producers and the cases themselves are often taken seriously, which is most likley why, along with the heavy serialization,
                            Grey's is considered more of a "drama", despite those interpersonal romantic/family elements.




                            By any standards, Grey's Anatomy has been successful television,
                            ranking highly in the ratings for nine seasons and entering the
                            cultural lexicon via phrases as cloying yet catchy as 'McDreamy', the
                            show has had its periods of being intensely irritating, and it has had
                            its periods when it seems as if Shonda Rhimes has taken leave of her
                            faculties, but it's also got an amazingly high batting average,
                            particularly with every solid season that passes along in this second
                            act of its run." The site lauded the show saying, "On average, it's
                            been very good TV, filled with interesting, driven characters who run
                            the gamut of professions within the show's hospital setting. It's
                            been, by turns, a good soap, a good romantic comedy, a good medical
                            drama, and a good interpersonal show about an unexpected workplace
                            family.
                            --Samantha Highfill, Entertainment Weekly




                            Downton Abbey - Mostly seen as a British Historical Period Drama, really has a lot of melodrama coming from both it's upstairs/downstairs approach, along with racial and class divides providing for some juicy melodramatic romances such as Sybil & Tom, Mary & Matthew, or Rose & Jack, especially since all three tragically come to an end.




                            Downton Abbey has been a commercial success and received general
                            acclaim from critics, although some criticize it as superficial,
                            melodramatic or unrealistic. Others defend these qualities as the
                            reason for the show's appeal. David Kamp of Vanity Fair wrote,
                            "Melodrama is an uncool thing to trade in these days, but then, that's
                            precisely why Downton Abbey is so pleasurable. In its clear
                            delineation between the goodies and the baddies, in its regulated
                            dosages of highs and lows, the show is welcome counter-programming to
                            the slow-burning despair and moral ambiguity of most quality drama on
                            television right now."



                            Downton Abbey is a jointly produced UK-US period soap opera drama
                            that ran from 2010-2015 on ITV in the UK, and as a series on the long
                            running United States anthology series, Masterpiece, on PBS. It was
                            produced by Carnival Films/Masterpiece Productions.




                            So my own conclusion is that what Soap Operas originally were have been discarded or have evolved into varied categories either through a false perception given to the name/definition of American day-time television melodramatic shows that were "set-up" structurally like British soaps, and often visually contrasted the higher brow visuals of Hollywood (not unlike "Reality TV", I might add), which in itself also changed when someone tried to take the melodrama and interpersonal relationships aspects of those day-time soaps and apply them to a "drama" creating something like Dallas or it's spin off, Knotts Landing allowing them to have "soap operas" on prime time television and then these elements (structure, day in the life, melodrama) have now worked their way into other genres as well...






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                            Just to add to the conversation of answers here,



                            I think in very contemporary context, what a lot of modern Television takes from the original and often day-time AMERICAN TELEVISION soap operas, is not just this idea of interpersonal relationships, but also characters and the reactions to plots that tend to be VERY "melodramatic".



                            The following link is a article of a paper I found on the posisble correlation between Soap Operas and the Melodramatic, as the earliest forms coming from British Radio Soaps were often based in [British social] realism and make no mention of melodrama, when that argument is then counteracted when referring to American Prime Time Television with the likes of Dallas. In other words, I think the definition changed over time and through cultural (British to American) and medium (Radio to Television) differences and we now have both the original Soap Opera Realism & The Soap Opera Melodrama.



                            And as others have mentioned, it's these melodramatic elements are what allow many RECENT shows (Supergirl, Lucifer, Gilmore Girls) that are often sited to be primarily set in other drama genres (fantasy/superhero, crime/family, family) to still have "soapy" elements (interpersonal relationships and heavy romance) within the series and they often then also have a hybrid serialized and episodic structuring, which may also then go back to the original definition.



                            Some more recant contemporary examples of mixed genre shows with "Soapy" elements are



                            The Good Wife - Often toted as an "American legal & political Drama", is really a legal, political, family Dramedy & melodramatic romance. It's also a serialized-hybrid having both ongoing overarching arcs and 'case of the week' episodic elements within the bigger narrative(s). Click Here to see a decent breakdown of just how complex a single episode the Kings' series can be and how it is seamlessly able to mix that romantic melodrama into it's legal and political plots and physical scapes.




                            When the CBS legal drama/political soap opera hybrid debuted in 2009,
                            it was easy to identify the glaring similarities between the show and
                            the still-fresh details of the Spitzer prostitution scandal
                            that was
                            unveiled the previous spring. The series launched with an
                            all-too-familiar scene: Alicia Florrick (played with elegant ferocity
                            by Julianna Margulies) stands stunned and stonefaced next to her
                            politico husband (Chris Noth)—who had just been caught cheating on her
                            with a hooker—at his press conference announcing his resignation. It
                            was as if Margulies had taken care to recreate, second-by-second, the
                            expression worn by Silda Wall Spitzer as she stood by her husband in
                            the press conference that served as inspiration for the series.




                            Grey's Anatomy - Much truer to American day-time saops, Shanda Rhimes "medical drama" is much closer to soaps like General Hospital, as interpersonal relationships, especially romantic are always on display being the series' corner stone and like those often long-running television soaps of the 80's, Grey's is going on season 16! However, even though a lot of what's portrayed on the series, is medically inaccurate, two doctors are executive producers and the cases themselves are often taken seriously, which is most likley why, along with the heavy serialization,
                            Grey's is considered more of a "drama", despite those interpersonal romantic/family elements.




                            By any standards, Grey's Anatomy has been successful television,
                            ranking highly in the ratings for nine seasons and entering the
                            cultural lexicon via phrases as cloying yet catchy as 'McDreamy', the
                            show has had its periods of being intensely irritating, and it has had
                            its periods when it seems as if Shonda Rhimes has taken leave of her
                            faculties, but it's also got an amazingly high batting average,
                            particularly with every solid season that passes along in this second
                            act of its run." The site lauded the show saying, "On average, it's
                            been very good TV, filled with interesting, driven characters who run
                            the gamut of professions within the show's hospital setting. It's
                            been, by turns, a good soap, a good romantic comedy, a good medical
                            drama, and a good interpersonal show about an unexpected workplace
                            family.
                            --Samantha Highfill, Entertainment Weekly




                            Downton Abbey - Mostly seen as a British Historical Period Drama, really has a lot of melodrama coming from both it's upstairs/downstairs approach, along with racial and class divides providing for some juicy melodramatic romances such as Sybil & Tom, Mary & Matthew, or Rose & Jack, especially since all three tragically come to an end.




                            Downton Abbey has been a commercial success and received general
                            acclaim from critics, although some criticize it as superficial,
                            melodramatic or unrealistic. Others defend these qualities as the
                            reason for the show's appeal. David Kamp of Vanity Fair wrote,
                            "Melodrama is an uncool thing to trade in these days, but then, that's
                            precisely why Downton Abbey is so pleasurable. In its clear
                            delineation between the goodies and the baddies, in its regulated
                            dosages of highs and lows, the show is welcome counter-programming to
                            the slow-burning despair and moral ambiguity of most quality drama on
                            television right now."



                            Downton Abbey is a jointly produced UK-US period soap opera drama
                            that ran from 2010-2015 on ITV in the UK, and as a series on the long
                            running United States anthology series, Masterpiece, on PBS. It was
                            produced by Carnival Films/Masterpiece Productions.




                            So my own conclusion is that what Soap Operas originally were have been discarded or have evolved into varied categories either through a false perception given to the name/definition of American day-time television melodramatic shows that were "set-up" structurally like British soaps, and often visually contrasted the higher brow visuals of Hollywood (not unlike "Reality TV", I might add), which in itself also changed when someone tried to take the melodrama and interpersonal relationships aspects of those day-time soaps and apply them to a "drama" creating something like Dallas or it's spin off, Knotts Landing allowing them to have "soap operas" on prime time television and then these elements (structure, day in the life, melodrama) have now worked their way into other genres as well...







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