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I read this article and it seems like activists from cultures without a long history of whaling are inconsistent in their criticism of Japan for its whaling.
Many cultural cuisines like rabbits, cows, trout, pigs, chicken, reindeer or walruses are consumed without international criticism. Why does the international community strongly condemn whaling and not other forms of fishing and hunting? I'm looking for the stated reasons from environmental groups and governments that have signed the the International Convention for the Regulation of Whaling.
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I read this article and it seems like activists from cultures without a long history of whaling are inconsistent in their criticism of Japan for its whaling.
Many cultural cuisines like rabbits, cows, trout, pigs, chicken, reindeer or walruses are consumed without international criticism. Why does the international community strongly condemn whaling and not other forms of fishing and hunting? I'm looking for the stated reasons from environmental groups and governments that have signed the the International Convention for the Regulation of Whaling.
international-law japan discrimination environmental-policy
I edited this question pretty hard to keep it from being closed as not-objective. Kentaro, please feel free to edit if I distorted your original meaning.
– lazarusL
8 hours ago
@lazarusL Nah, it's OK. or rather thank you. :) Mt style would've been bad as native speakers read mine. :).
– Kentaro Tomono
8 hours ago
What incenses me is, while Koreans eat dogs, oh yeah, the long time friends to every people almost everywhere, but they are not in that "category". Why do we become the target on the distractor of the Nature??
– Kentaro Tomono
8 hours ago
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@JamesK considering the amount of political capital spent on urging Japan to stop whaling, it seems a political question to me.
– Jontia
6 hours ago
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@JamesK So, for example, Norway is the second largest country that catches ( I am sorry I have not investigated so much ) next to Japan. They catch and "kill" 594 species every year which is the half of the number of Japan. Why does the peace boat always attack japan?
– Kentaro Tomono
5 hours ago
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I read this article and it seems like activists from cultures without a long history of whaling are inconsistent in their criticism of Japan for its whaling.
Many cultural cuisines like rabbits, cows, trout, pigs, chicken, reindeer or walruses are consumed without international criticism. Why does the international community strongly condemn whaling and not other forms of fishing and hunting? I'm looking for the stated reasons from environmental groups and governments that have signed the the International Convention for the Regulation of Whaling.
international-law japan discrimination environmental-policy
I read this article and it seems like activists from cultures without a long history of whaling are inconsistent in their criticism of Japan for its whaling.
Many cultural cuisines like rabbits, cows, trout, pigs, chicken, reindeer or walruses are consumed without international criticism. Why does the international community strongly condemn whaling and not other forms of fishing and hunting? I'm looking for the stated reasons from environmental groups and governments that have signed the the International Convention for the Regulation of Whaling.
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I edited this question pretty hard to keep it from being closed as not-objective. Kentaro, please feel free to edit if I distorted your original meaning.
– lazarusL
8 hours ago
@lazarusL Nah, it's OK. or rather thank you. :) Mt style would've been bad as native speakers read mine. :).
– Kentaro Tomono
8 hours ago
What incenses me is, while Koreans eat dogs, oh yeah, the long time friends to every people almost everywhere, but they are not in that "category". Why do we become the target on the distractor of the Nature??
– Kentaro Tomono
8 hours ago
2
@JamesK considering the amount of political capital spent on urging Japan to stop whaling, it seems a political question to me.
– Jontia
6 hours ago
1
@JamesK So, for example, Norway is the second largest country that catches ( I am sorry I have not investigated so much ) next to Japan. They catch and "kill" 594 species every year which is the half of the number of Japan. Why does the peace boat always attack japan?
– Kentaro Tomono
5 hours ago
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I edited this question pretty hard to keep it from being closed as not-objective. Kentaro, please feel free to edit if I distorted your original meaning.
– lazarusL
8 hours ago
@lazarusL Nah, it's OK. or rather thank you. :) Mt style would've been bad as native speakers read mine. :).
– Kentaro Tomono
8 hours ago
What incenses me is, while Koreans eat dogs, oh yeah, the long time friends to every people almost everywhere, but they are not in that "category". Why do we become the target on the distractor of the Nature??
– Kentaro Tomono
8 hours ago
2
@JamesK considering the amount of political capital spent on urging Japan to stop whaling, it seems a political question to me.
– Jontia
6 hours ago
1
@JamesK So, for example, Norway is the second largest country that catches ( I am sorry I have not investigated so much ) next to Japan. They catch and "kill" 594 species every year which is the half of the number of Japan. Why does the peace boat always attack japan?
– Kentaro Tomono
5 hours ago
I edited this question pretty hard to keep it from being closed as not-objective. Kentaro, please feel free to edit if I distorted your original meaning.
– lazarusL
8 hours ago
I edited this question pretty hard to keep it from being closed as not-objective. Kentaro, please feel free to edit if I distorted your original meaning.
– lazarusL
8 hours ago
@lazarusL Nah, it's OK. or rather thank you. :) Mt style would've been bad as native speakers read mine. :).
– Kentaro Tomono
8 hours ago
@lazarusL Nah, it's OK. or rather thank you. :) Mt style would've been bad as native speakers read mine. :).
– Kentaro Tomono
8 hours ago
What incenses me is, while Koreans eat dogs, oh yeah, the long time friends to every people almost everywhere, but they are not in that "category". Why do we become the target on the distractor of the Nature??
– Kentaro Tomono
8 hours ago
What incenses me is, while Koreans eat dogs, oh yeah, the long time friends to every people almost everywhere, but they are not in that "category". Why do we become the target on the distractor of the Nature??
– Kentaro Tomono
8 hours ago
2
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@JamesK considering the amount of political capital spent on urging Japan to stop whaling, it seems a political question to me.
– Jontia
6 hours ago
@JamesK considering the amount of political capital spent on urging Japan to stop whaling, it seems a political question to me.
– Jontia
6 hours ago
1
1
@JamesK So, for example, Norway is the second largest country that catches ( I am sorry I have not investigated so much ) next to Japan. They catch and "kill" 594 species every year which is the half of the number of Japan. Why does the peace boat always attack japan?
– Kentaro Tomono
5 hours ago
@JamesK So, for example, Norway is the second largest country that catches ( I am sorry I have not investigated so much ) next to Japan. They catch and "kill" 594 species every year which is the half of the number of Japan. Why does the peace boat always attack japan?
– Kentaro Tomono
5 hours ago
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I think there are two main reasons. Ethics (which does apply to dogs in many parts of the world) and the fact that there aren't that many whales (as opposed to dogs).
Ethics
It's seen as immoral. This arguments also applies to dogs. As such, you see a lot of outrage about dog consumption as well.
For example, these quotes from a BBC article on dog consumption in Vietnam illustrate this point:
The Hanoi People's Committee said the practice could tarnish the city's image as a "civilised and modern capital".
[...]
A growing number of people in Vietnam disapprove of eating dog meat but it still remains "very much a deep-rooted habit", according to Linh Nguyen, a journalist with the BBC's Vietnamese service.
Threatened species
The second argument doesn't apply to dogs: there aren't that many left. This raises conservationist issues as many people and countries don't think it's worth making (some species) of whales extinct just for some delicatessen.
Specifically, the whale is an endangered species, meaning (from Wikipedia):
a species which has been categorized as very likely to become extinct in the near future. Endangered (EN), as categorized by the International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN) Red List, is the second most severe conservation status for wild populations in the IUCN's schema after Critically Endangered (CR).
The WWF provides some info on why whales are important for ocean life:
Whales are at the top of the food chain and have an important role in the overall health of the marine environment. Unfortunately their large size and mythical aura does not protect them; six out of the 13 great whale species are classified as endangered, even after decades of protection.
It might be worth noting that many such activists are vegetarian or vegan, and as such likely don't approve of people ratings cows or rats or whatnot.
– Obie 2.0
6 hours ago
@Obie2.0 I think many governments express concern over whaling, it's not some fringe stance I think. I also think it's not sustainable and one way or the other it will stop (either because they stop whaling or because they die out, not just because of whaling, but it's not helping).
– JJJ
6 hours ago
I'd like to reply to you as a format of an answer later. Though, it is very interesting to have found out that in the history of Japan and the U.S, the U.S came to nearby sea chasing the whales to kill and use its oil from late 18th and the middle 19th. And out Arthur Conan Doyle worked as a doctor is the U.K's whaling ship. Uhm interesting^^.
– Kentaro Tomono
5 hours ago
3
@KentaroTomono but that has little bearing on the situation now, right? It's interesting as a piece of history, but as an argument in the current debate it's more of a whataboutism.
– JJJ
5 hours ago
@JJJ Yes, you are right. I am currently ( or later ) try to draft make a counter answer ( in the format of answer ) , quoting both international research and the voice from Japanese Fisher's agency.
– Kentaro Tomono
5 hours ago
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What is the fundamental difference between catching whales and hunting other animals?
Culture
There is no fundamental difference between whales, and e.g. dogs or cows. All are mammals; Some people eat some (or all) of those, while some other people consider it immoral to eat some (or all) of those.
Therefore, the main difference is culture. Many people are used to eat beef, while they are not used to eating whale meat.
According to the Wikil [ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whaling ] "The hunt takes around 50 bowhead whales a year from a population of about 10,500 in Alaskan waters." Jeeze, if your country is big enough, your country becomes non country grata. lol.
– Kentaro Tomono
5 hours ago
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I'm only going to try to cover things that haven't been mentioned in other answers and try to preempt any begging of the question that might come.
There are environmental and practical concerns to eating certain animals that don't apply to the same degree as other animals.
For example, pretty much all meat provided by domesticated animals come from prey animals, this means that less energy is lost as they are grown since they're lower on the trophic level. Meat that is "harvested" from the wild tends to be relegated to commercial fishing, where the large majority of fish is again, not placed at the top of the food chain. From this perspective, eating chicken is superior to eating beef, and eating anchovies is superior to eating swordfish.
Whales are either apex predators or filter feeders that have no natural predators. They are as a group the physically largest animals that exist on Earth. Eating them is highly inefficient from the perspective of obtaining cheap efficient calories (you basically can't get worse than eating whale). Allowing only market forces to regulate this (I expect whale meat would be quite expensive), is not enough since the externalities involved in losing large amounts of whales would not be calculated into their sale.
Since there is already an answer stating that only cultural differences apply when choosing among a variety of meat animals, I will point out another problem (though it doesn't really apply very well to whales in particular). The consumption of certain animals are more dangerous when it comes to public health, generally this applies to animals more closely related to the predator, which is why you see things like Ebola breakouts in Africa, where people are still in contact with various large primates (and occasionally eats them). Following the logic that all meat is equal would mean that something like the ritualized cannibalism of dead relatives is equivalent to eating pork (cannibalism might even be morally superior under various ethical frameworks assuming you didn't kill your relative and did kill the pig). However human flesh is statistically much deadlier than pork and it's probably a bad idea to engage in cannibalism when you have safer sources of food around. To relate this Japan it would be better to look at the sale of the Japanese Pufferfish, which is either banned or highly regulated across the world because its body is full of neurotoxins. The fact that there is still private demand for something that can be considered a "cultural cuisine", doesn't preempt government regulation or mean that the regulation is attempt to impose foreign values on native cultures.
>The consumption of certain animals are more dangerous when it comes to public health, generally this applies to animals more closely related to the predator, which is why you see things like Ebola breakouts in Africa, where people are still in contact with various large primates (and occasionally eats them). Are you sure that eating whales is damaging to our human being's health? Please look at this site [ luna.pos.to/whale/jwa_v8_suzu.html ], it says,
– Kentaro Tomono
1 hour ago
>Protein is composed of 20 different amino acids. Protein ingested as food is broken down into amino acids inside the body. These amino acids are then synthesized back into protein, producing elements such as muscles, internal organs, blood, skin, and hair. There are eight amino acids that the human body cannot produce, and these are termed essential amino acids. Whale meat is excellent in the quantity and balance of essential amino acids that determine the nutritional value of proteins, and in this respect it is as good as, if not better than, other animal meats.
– Kentaro Tomono
58 mins ago
Whale meat is red, which indicates there is a large quantity of myoglobin contained in its muscle fibers. Myoglobin, like the blood pigment hemoglobin, is a combination of a chemical component heme, which contains iron, and globin, a >simple protein. Iron plays an important role in carrying oxygen to the body tissues and organs. In so far as iron deficiency can cause anemia, it is necessary to ingest sufficient iron through food intake. Whale meat is thus an excellent source of iron.
– Kentaro Tomono
56 mins ago
@KentaroTomono I said that it didn't apply to whale at the start of that paragraph, it was a response to the false equivalency of all meat products being the same.
– Teleka
56 mins ago
So I think rather eating whale is good for our bodies than eating fat saturated burgers or pork steaks etc, wound't you think? Wouldn't you like to solve the now prevalent problem, that is, most Americans are not slim enough?
– Kentaro Tomono
54 mins ago
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I think there are two main reasons. Ethics (which does apply to dogs in many parts of the world) and the fact that there aren't that many whales (as opposed to dogs).
Ethics
It's seen as immoral. This arguments also applies to dogs. As such, you see a lot of outrage about dog consumption as well.
For example, these quotes from a BBC article on dog consumption in Vietnam illustrate this point:
The Hanoi People's Committee said the practice could tarnish the city's image as a "civilised and modern capital".
[...]
A growing number of people in Vietnam disapprove of eating dog meat but it still remains "very much a deep-rooted habit", according to Linh Nguyen, a journalist with the BBC's Vietnamese service.
Threatened species
The second argument doesn't apply to dogs: there aren't that many left. This raises conservationist issues as many people and countries don't think it's worth making (some species) of whales extinct just for some delicatessen.
Specifically, the whale is an endangered species, meaning (from Wikipedia):
a species which has been categorized as very likely to become extinct in the near future. Endangered (EN), as categorized by the International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN) Red List, is the second most severe conservation status for wild populations in the IUCN's schema after Critically Endangered (CR).
The WWF provides some info on why whales are important for ocean life:
Whales are at the top of the food chain and have an important role in the overall health of the marine environment. Unfortunately their large size and mythical aura does not protect them; six out of the 13 great whale species are classified as endangered, even after decades of protection.
It might be worth noting that many such activists are vegetarian or vegan, and as such likely don't approve of people ratings cows or rats or whatnot.
– Obie 2.0
6 hours ago
@Obie2.0 I think many governments express concern over whaling, it's not some fringe stance I think. I also think it's not sustainable and one way or the other it will stop (either because they stop whaling or because they die out, not just because of whaling, but it's not helping).
– JJJ
6 hours ago
I'd like to reply to you as a format of an answer later. Though, it is very interesting to have found out that in the history of Japan and the U.S, the U.S came to nearby sea chasing the whales to kill and use its oil from late 18th and the middle 19th. And out Arthur Conan Doyle worked as a doctor is the U.K's whaling ship. Uhm interesting^^.
– Kentaro Tomono
5 hours ago
3
@KentaroTomono but that has little bearing on the situation now, right? It's interesting as a piece of history, but as an argument in the current debate it's more of a whataboutism.
– JJJ
5 hours ago
@JJJ Yes, you are right. I am currently ( or later ) try to draft make a counter answer ( in the format of answer ) , quoting both international research and the voice from Japanese Fisher's agency.
– Kentaro Tomono
5 hours ago
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I think there are two main reasons. Ethics (which does apply to dogs in many parts of the world) and the fact that there aren't that many whales (as opposed to dogs).
Ethics
It's seen as immoral. This arguments also applies to dogs. As such, you see a lot of outrage about dog consumption as well.
For example, these quotes from a BBC article on dog consumption in Vietnam illustrate this point:
The Hanoi People's Committee said the practice could tarnish the city's image as a "civilised and modern capital".
[...]
A growing number of people in Vietnam disapprove of eating dog meat but it still remains "very much a deep-rooted habit", according to Linh Nguyen, a journalist with the BBC's Vietnamese service.
Threatened species
The second argument doesn't apply to dogs: there aren't that many left. This raises conservationist issues as many people and countries don't think it's worth making (some species) of whales extinct just for some delicatessen.
Specifically, the whale is an endangered species, meaning (from Wikipedia):
a species which has been categorized as very likely to become extinct in the near future. Endangered (EN), as categorized by the International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN) Red List, is the second most severe conservation status for wild populations in the IUCN's schema after Critically Endangered (CR).
The WWF provides some info on why whales are important for ocean life:
Whales are at the top of the food chain and have an important role in the overall health of the marine environment. Unfortunately their large size and mythical aura does not protect them; six out of the 13 great whale species are classified as endangered, even after decades of protection.
It might be worth noting that many such activists are vegetarian or vegan, and as such likely don't approve of people ratings cows or rats or whatnot.
– Obie 2.0
6 hours ago
@Obie2.0 I think many governments express concern over whaling, it's not some fringe stance I think. I also think it's not sustainable and one way or the other it will stop (either because they stop whaling or because they die out, not just because of whaling, but it's not helping).
– JJJ
6 hours ago
I'd like to reply to you as a format of an answer later. Though, it is very interesting to have found out that in the history of Japan and the U.S, the U.S came to nearby sea chasing the whales to kill and use its oil from late 18th and the middle 19th. And out Arthur Conan Doyle worked as a doctor is the U.K's whaling ship. Uhm interesting^^.
– Kentaro Tomono
5 hours ago
3
@KentaroTomono but that has little bearing on the situation now, right? It's interesting as a piece of history, but as an argument in the current debate it's more of a whataboutism.
– JJJ
5 hours ago
@JJJ Yes, you are right. I am currently ( or later ) try to draft make a counter answer ( in the format of answer ) , quoting both international research and the voice from Japanese Fisher's agency.
– Kentaro Tomono
5 hours ago
|
show 4 more comments
I think there are two main reasons. Ethics (which does apply to dogs in many parts of the world) and the fact that there aren't that many whales (as opposed to dogs).
Ethics
It's seen as immoral. This arguments also applies to dogs. As such, you see a lot of outrage about dog consumption as well.
For example, these quotes from a BBC article on dog consumption in Vietnam illustrate this point:
The Hanoi People's Committee said the practice could tarnish the city's image as a "civilised and modern capital".
[...]
A growing number of people in Vietnam disapprove of eating dog meat but it still remains "very much a deep-rooted habit", according to Linh Nguyen, a journalist with the BBC's Vietnamese service.
Threatened species
The second argument doesn't apply to dogs: there aren't that many left. This raises conservationist issues as many people and countries don't think it's worth making (some species) of whales extinct just for some delicatessen.
Specifically, the whale is an endangered species, meaning (from Wikipedia):
a species which has been categorized as very likely to become extinct in the near future. Endangered (EN), as categorized by the International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN) Red List, is the second most severe conservation status for wild populations in the IUCN's schema after Critically Endangered (CR).
The WWF provides some info on why whales are important for ocean life:
Whales are at the top of the food chain and have an important role in the overall health of the marine environment. Unfortunately their large size and mythical aura does not protect them; six out of the 13 great whale species are classified as endangered, even after decades of protection.
I think there are two main reasons. Ethics (which does apply to dogs in many parts of the world) and the fact that there aren't that many whales (as opposed to dogs).
Ethics
It's seen as immoral. This arguments also applies to dogs. As such, you see a lot of outrage about dog consumption as well.
For example, these quotes from a BBC article on dog consumption in Vietnam illustrate this point:
The Hanoi People's Committee said the practice could tarnish the city's image as a "civilised and modern capital".
[...]
A growing number of people in Vietnam disapprove of eating dog meat but it still remains "very much a deep-rooted habit", according to Linh Nguyen, a journalist with the BBC's Vietnamese service.
Threatened species
The second argument doesn't apply to dogs: there aren't that many left. This raises conservationist issues as many people and countries don't think it's worth making (some species) of whales extinct just for some delicatessen.
Specifically, the whale is an endangered species, meaning (from Wikipedia):
a species which has been categorized as very likely to become extinct in the near future. Endangered (EN), as categorized by the International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN) Red List, is the second most severe conservation status for wild populations in the IUCN's schema after Critically Endangered (CR).
The WWF provides some info on why whales are important for ocean life:
Whales are at the top of the food chain and have an important role in the overall health of the marine environment. Unfortunately their large size and mythical aura does not protect them; six out of the 13 great whale species are classified as endangered, even after decades of protection.
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It might be worth noting that many such activists are vegetarian or vegan, and as such likely don't approve of people ratings cows or rats or whatnot.
– Obie 2.0
6 hours ago
@Obie2.0 I think many governments express concern over whaling, it's not some fringe stance I think. I also think it's not sustainable and one way or the other it will stop (either because they stop whaling or because they die out, not just because of whaling, but it's not helping).
– JJJ
6 hours ago
I'd like to reply to you as a format of an answer later. Though, it is very interesting to have found out that in the history of Japan and the U.S, the U.S came to nearby sea chasing the whales to kill and use its oil from late 18th and the middle 19th. And out Arthur Conan Doyle worked as a doctor is the U.K's whaling ship. Uhm interesting^^.
– Kentaro Tomono
5 hours ago
3
@KentaroTomono but that has little bearing on the situation now, right? It's interesting as a piece of history, but as an argument in the current debate it's more of a whataboutism.
– JJJ
5 hours ago
@JJJ Yes, you are right. I am currently ( or later ) try to draft make a counter answer ( in the format of answer ) , quoting both international research and the voice from Japanese Fisher's agency.
– Kentaro Tomono
5 hours ago
|
show 4 more comments
It might be worth noting that many such activists are vegetarian or vegan, and as such likely don't approve of people ratings cows or rats or whatnot.
– Obie 2.0
6 hours ago
@Obie2.0 I think many governments express concern over whaling, it's not some fringe stance I think. I also think it's not sustainable and one way or the other it will stop (either because they stop whaling or because they die out, not just because of whaling, but it's not helping).
– JJJ
6 hours ago
I'd like to reply to you as a format of an answer later. Though, it is very interesting to have found out that in the history of Japan and the U.S, the U.S came to nearby sea chasing the whales to kill and use its oil from late 18th and the middle 19th. And out Arthur Conan Doyle worked as a doctor is the U.K's whaling ship. Uhm interesting^^.
– Kentaro Tomono
5 hours ago
3
@KentaroTomono but that has little bearing on the situation now, right? It's interesting as a piece of history, but as an argument in the current debate it's more of a whataboutism.
– JJJ
5 hours ago
@JJJ Yes, you are right. I am currently ( or later ) try to draft make a counter answer ( in the format of answer ) , quoting both international research and the voice from Japanese Fisher's agency.
– Kentaro Tomono
5 hours ago
It might be worth noting that many such activists are vegetarian or vegan, and as such likely don't approve of people ratings cows or rats or whatnot.
– Obie 2.0
6 hours ago
It might be worth noting that many such activists are vegetarian or vegan, and as such likely don't approve of people ratings cows or rats or whatnot.
– Obie 2.0
6 hours ago
@Obie2.0 I think many governments express concern over whaling, it's not some fringe stance I think. I also think it's not sustainable and one way or the other it will stop (either because they stop whaling or because they die out, not just because of whaling, but it's not helping).
– JJJ
6 hours ago
@Obie2.0 I think many governments express concern over whaling, it's not some fringe stance I think. I also think it's not sustainable and one way or the other it will stop (either because they stop whaling or because they die out, not just because of whaling, but it's not helping).
– JJJ
6 hours ago
I'd like to reply to you as a format of an answer later. Though, it is very interesting to have found out that in the history of Japan and the U.S, the U.S came to nearby sea chasing the whales to kill and use its oil from late 18th and the middle 19th. And out Arthur Conan Doyle worked as a doctor is the U.K's whaling ship. Uhm interesting^^.
– Kentaro Tomono
5 hours ago
I'd like to reply to you as a format of an answer later. Though, it is very interesting to have found out that in the history of Japan and the U.S, the U.S came to nearby sea chasing the whales to kill and use its oil from late 18th and the middle 19th. And out Arthur Conan Doyle worked as a doctor is the U.K's whaling ship. Uhm interesting^^.
– Kentaro Tomono
5 hours ago
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@KentaroTomono but that has little bearing on the situation now, right? It's interesting as a piece of history, but as an argument in the current debate it's more of a whataboutism.
– JJJ
5 hours ago
@KentaroTomono but that has little bearing on the situation now, right? It's interesting as a piece of history, but as an argument in the current debate it's more of a whataboutism.
– JJJ
5 hours ago
@JJJ Yes, you are right. I am currently ( or later ) try to draft make a counter answer ( in the format of answer ) , quoting both international research and the voice from Japanese Fisher's agency.
– Kentaro Tomono
5 hours ago
@JJJ Yes, you are right. I am currently ( or later ) try to draft make a counter answer ( in the format of answer ) , quoting both international research and the voice from Japanese Fisher's agency.
– Kentaro Tomono
5 hours ago
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What is the fundamental difference between catching whales and hunting other animals?
Culture
There is no fundamental difference between whales, and e.g. dogs or cows. All are mammals; Some people eat some (or all) of those, while some other people consider it immoral to eat some (or all) of those.
Therefore, the main difference is culture. Many people are used to eat beef, while they are not used to eating whale meat.
According to the Wikil [ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whaling ] "The hunt takes around 50 bowhead whales a year from a population of about 10,500 in Alaskan waters." Jeeze, if your country is big enough, your country becomes non country grata. lol.
– Kentaro Tomono
5 hours ago
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What is the fundamental difference between catching whales and hunting other animals?
Culture
There is no fundamental difference between whales, and e.g. dogs or cows. All are mammals; Some people eat some (or all) of those, while some other people consider it immoral to eat some (or all) of those.
Therefore, the main difference is culture. Many people are used to eat beef, while they are not used to eating whale meat.
According to the Wikil [ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whaling ] "The hunt takes around 50 bowhead whales a year from a population of about 10,500 in Alaskan waters." Jeeze, if your country is big enough, your country becomes non country grata. lol.
– Kentaro Tomono
5 hours ago
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What is the fundamental difference between catching whales and hunting other animals?
Culture
There is no fundamental difference between whales, and e.g. dogs or cows. All are mammals; Some people eat some (or all) of those, while some other people consider it immoral to eat some (or all) of those.
Therefore, the main difference is culture. Many people are used to eat beef, while they are not used to eating whale meat.
What is the fundamental difference between catching whales and hunting other animals?
Culture
There is no fundamental difference between whales, and e.g. dogs or cows. All are mammals; Some people eat some (or all) of those, while some other people consider it immoral to eat some (or all) of those.
Therefore, the main difference is culture. Many people are used to eat beef, while they are not used to eating whale meat.
answered 5 hours ago
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According to the Wikil [ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whaling ] "The hunt takes around 50 bowhead whales a year from a population of about 10,500 in Alaskan waters." Jeeze, if your country is big enough, your country becomes non country grata. lol.
– Kentaro Tomono
5 hours ago
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According to the Wikil [ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whaling ] "The hunt takes around 50 bowhead whales a year from a population of about 10,500 in Alaskan waters." Jeeze, if your country is big enough, your country becomes non country grata. lol.
– Kentaro Tomono
5 hours ago
According to the Wikil [ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whaling ] "The hunt takes around 50 bowhead whales a year from a population of about 10,500 in Alaskan waters." Jeeze, if your country is big enough, your country becomes non country grata. lol.
– Kentaro Tomono
5 hours ago
According to the Wikil [ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whaling ] "The hunt takes around 50 bowhead whales a year from a population of about 10,500 in Alaskan waters." Jeeze, if your country is big enough, your country becomes non country grata. lol.
– Kentaro Tomono
5 hours ago
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I'm only going to try to cover things that haven't been mentioned in other answers and try to preempt any begging of the question that might come.
There are environmental and practical concerns to eating certain animals that don't apply to the same degree as other animals.
For example, pretty much all meat provided by domesticated animals come from prey animals, this means that less energy is lost as they are grown since they're lower on the trophic level. Meat that is "harvested" from the wild tends to be relegated to commercial fishing, where the large majority of fish is again, not placed at the top of the food chain. From this perspective, eating chicken is superior to eating beef, and eating anchovies is superior to eating swordfish.
Whales are either apex predators or filter feeders that have no natural predators. They are as a group the physically largest animals that exist on Earth. Eating them is highly inefficient from the perspective of obtaining cheap efficient calories (you basically can't get worse than eating whale). Allowing only market forces to regulate this (I expect whale meat would be quite expensive), is not enough since the externalities involved in losing large amounts of whales would not be calculated into their sale.
Since there is already an answer stating that only cultural differences apply when choosing among a variety of meat animals, I will point out another problem (though it doesn't really apply very well to whales in particular). The consumption of certain animals are more dangerous when it comes to public health, generally this applies to animals more closely related to the predator, which is why you see things like Ebola breakouts in Africa, where people are still in contact with various large primates (and occasionally eats them). Following the logic that all meat is equal would mean that something like the ritualized cannibalism of dead relatives is equivalent to eating pork (cannibalism might even be morally superior under various ethical frameworks assuming you didn't kill your relative and did kill the pig). However human flesh is statistically much deadlier than pork and it's probably a bad idea to engage in cannibalism when you have safer sources of food around. To relate this Japan it would be better to look at the sale of the Japanese Pufferfish, which is either banned or highly regulated across the world because its body is full of neurotoxins. The fact that there is still private demand for something that can be considered a "cultural cuisine", doesn't preempt government regulation or mean that the regulation is attempt to impose foreign values on native cultures.
>The consumption of certain animals are more dangerous when it comes to public health, generally this applies to animals more closely related to the predator, which is why you see things like Ebola breakouts in Africa, where people are still in contact with various large primates (and occasionally eats them). Are you sure that eating whales is damaging to our human being's health? Please look at this site [ luna.pos.to/whale/jwa_v8_suzu.html ], it says,
– Kentaro Tomono
1 hour ago
>Protein is composed of 20 different amino acids. Protein ingested as food is broken down into amino acids inside the body. These amino acids are then synthesized back into protein, producing elements such as muscles, internal organs, blood, skin, and hair. There are eight amino acids that the human body cannot produce, and these are termed essential amino acids. Whale meat is excellent in the quantity and balance of essential amino acids that determine the nutritional value of proteins, and in this respect it is as good as, if not better than, other animal meats.
– Kentaro Tomono
58 mins ago
Whale meat is red, which indicates there is a large quantity of myoglobin contained in its muscle fibers. Myoglobin, like the blood pigment hemoglobin, is a combination of a chemical component heme, which contains iron, and globin, a >simple protein. Iron plays an important role in carrying oxygen to the body tissues and organs. In so far as iron deficiency can cause anemia, it is necessary to ingest sufficient iron through food intake. Whale meat is thus an excellent source of iron.
– Kentaro Tomono
56 mins ago
@KentaroTomono I said that it didn't apply to whale at the start of that paragraph, it was a response to the false equivalency of all meat products being the same.
– Teleka
56 mins ago
So I think rather eating whale is good for our bodies than eating fat saturated burgers or pork steaks etc, wound't you think? Wouldn't you like to solve the now prevalent problem, that is, most Americans are not slim enough?
– Kentaro Tomono
54 mins ago
add a comment |
I'm only going to try to cover things that haven't been mentioned in other answers and try to preempt any begging of the question that might come.
There are environmental and practical concerns to eating certain animals that don't apply to the same degree as other animals.
For example, pretty much all meat provided by domesticated animals come from prey animals, this means that less energy is lost as they are grown since they're lower on the trophic level. Meat that is "harvested" from the wild tends to be relegated to commercial fishing, where the large majority of fish is again, not placed at the top of the food chain. From this perspective, eating chicken is superior to eating beef, and eating anchovies is superior to eating swordfish.
Whales are either apex predators or filter feeders that have no natural predators. They are as a group the physically largest animals that exist on Earth. Eating them is highly inefficient from the perspective of obtaining cheap efficient calories (you basically can't get worse than eating whale). Allowing only market forces to regulate this (I expect whale meat would be quite expensive), is not enough since the externalities involved in losing large amounts of whales would not be calculated into their sale.
Since there is already an answer stating that only cultural differences apply when choosing among a variety of meat animals, I will point out another problem (though it doesn't really apply very well to whales in particular). The consumption of certain animals are more dangerous when it comes to public health, generally this applies to animals more closely related to the predator, which is why you see things like Ebola breakouts in Africa, where people are still in contact with various large primates (and occasionally eats them). Following the logic that all meat is equal would mean that something like the ritualized cannibalism of dead relatives is equivalent to eating pork (cannibalism might even be morally superior under various ethical frameworks assuming you didn't kill your relative and did kill the pig). However human flesh is statistically much deadlier than pork and it's probably a bad idea to engage in cannibalism when you have safer sources of food around. To relate this Japan it would be better to look at the sale of the Japanese Pufferfish, which is either banned or highly regulated across the world because its body is full of neurotoxins. The fact that there is still private demand for something that can be considered a "cultural cuisine", doesn't preempt government regulation or mean that the regulation is attempt to impose foreign values on native cultures.
>The consumption of certain animals are more dangerous when it comes to public health, generally this applies to animals more closely related to the predator, which is why you see things like Ebola breakouts in Africa, where people are still in contact with various large primates (and occasionally eats them). Are you sure that eating whales is damaging to our human being's health? Please look at this site [ luna.pos.to/whale/jwa_v8_suzu.html ], it says,
– Kentaro Tomono
1 hour ago
>Protein is composed of 20 different amino acids. Protein ingested as food is broken down into amino acids inside the body. These amino acids are then synthesized back into protein, producing elements such as muscles, internal organs, blood, skin, and hair. There are eight amino acids that the human body cannot produce, and these are termed essential amino acids. Whale meat is excellent in the quantity and balance of essential amino acids that determine the nutritional value of proteins, and in this respect it is as good as, if not better than, other animal meats.
– Kentaro Tomono
58 mins ago
Whale meat is red, which indicates there is a large quantity of myoglobin contained in its muscle fibers. Myoglobin, like the blood pigment hemoglobin, is a combination of a chemical component heme, which contains iron, and globin, a >simple protein. Iron plays an important role in carrying oxygen to the body tissues and organs. In so far as iron deficiency can cause anemia, it is necessary to ingest sufficient iron through food intake. Whale meat is thus an excellent source of iron.
– Kentaro Tomono
56 mins ago
@KentaroTomono I said that it didn't apply to whale at the start of that paragraph, it was a response to the false equivalency of all meat products being the same.
– Teleka
56 mins ago
So I think rather eating whale is good for our bodies than eating fat saturated burgers or pork steaks etc, wound't you think? Wouldn't you like to solve the now prevalent problem, that is, most Americans are not slim enough?
– Kentaro Tomono
54 mins ago
add a comment |
I'm only going to try to cover things that haven't been mentioned in other answers and try to preempt any begging of the question that might come.
There are environmental and practical concerns to eating certain animals that don't apply to the same degree as other animals.
For example, pretty much all meat provided by domesticated animals come from prey animals, this means that less energy is lost as they are grown since they're lower on the trophic level. Meat that is "harvested" from the wild tends to be relegated to commercial fishing, where the large majority of fish is again, not placed at the top of the food chain. From this perspective, eating chicken is superior to eating beef, and eating anchovies is superior to eating swordfish.
Whales are either apex predators or filter feeders that have no natural predators. They are as a group the physically largest animals that exist on Earth. Eating them is highly inefficient from the perspective of obtaining cheap efficient calories (you basically can't get worse than eating whale). Allowing only market forces to regulate this (I expect whale meat would be quite expensive), is not enough since the externalities involved in losing large amounts of whales would not be calculated into their sale.
Since there is already an answer stating that only cultural differences apply when choosing among a variety of meat animals, I will point out another problem (though it doesn't really apply very well to whales in particular). The consumption of certain animals are more dangerous when it comes to public health, generally this applies to animals more closely related to the predator, which is why you see things like Ebola breakouts in Africa, where people are still in contact with various large primates (and occasionally eats them). Following the logic that all meat is equal would mean that something like the ritualized cannibalism of dead relatives is equivalent to eating pork (cannibalism might even be morally superior under various ethical frameworks assuming you didn't kill your relative and did kill the pig). However human flesh is statistically much deadlier than pork and it's probably a bad idea to engage in cannibalism when you have safer sources of food around. To relate this Japan it would be better to look at the sale of the Japanese Pufferfish, which is either banned or highly regulated across the world because its body is full of neurotoxins. The fact that there is still private demand for something that can be considered a "cultural cuisine", doesn't preempt government regulation or mean that the regulation is attempt to impose foreign values on native cultures.
I'm only going to try to cover things that haven't been mentioned in other answers and try to preempt any begging of the question that might come.
There are environmental and practical concerns to eating certain animals that don't apply to the same degree as other animals.
For example, pretty much all meat provided by domesticated animals come from prey animals, this means that less energy is lost as they are grown since they're lower on the trophic level. Meat that is "harvested" from the wild tends to be relegated to commercial fishing, where the large majority of fish is again, not placed at the top of the food chain. From this perspective, eating chicken is superior to eating beef, and eating anchovies is superior to eating swordfish.
Whales are either apex predators or filter feeders that have no natural predators. They are as a group the physically largest animals that exist on Earth. Eating them is highly inefficient from the perspective of obtaining cheap efficient calories (you basically can't get worse than eating whale). Allowing only market forces to regulate this (I expect whale meat would be quite expensive), is not enough since the externalities involved in losing large amounts of whales would not be calculated into their sale.
Since there is already an answer stating that only cultural differences apply when choosing among a variety of meat animals, I will point out another problem (though it doesn't really apply very well to whales in particular). The consumption of certain animals are more dangerous when it comes to public health, generally this applies to animals more closely related to the predator, which is why you see things like Ebola breakouts in Africa, where people are still in contact with various large primates (and occasionally eats them). Following the logic that all meat is equal would mean that something like the ritualized cannibalism of dead relatives is equivalent to eating pork (cannibalism might even be morally superior under various ethical frameworks assuming you didn't kill your relative and did kill the pig). However human flesh is statistically much deadlier than pork and it's probably a bad idea to engage in cannibalism when you have safer sources of food around. To relate this Japan it would be better to look at the sale of the Japanese Pufferfish, which is either banned or highly regulated across the world because its body is full of neurotoxins. The fact that there is still private demand for something that can be considered a "cultural cuisine", doesn't preempt government regulation or mean that the regulation is attempt to impose foreign values on native cultures.
answered 1 hour ago
TelekaTeleka
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>The consumption of certain animals are more dangerous when it comes to public health, generally this applies to animals more closely related to the predator, which is why you see things like Ebola breakouts in Africa, where people are still in contact with various large primates (and occasionally eats them). Are you sure that eating whales is damaging to our human being's health? Please look at this site [ luna.pos.to/whale/jwa_v8_suzu.html ], it says,
– Kentaro Tomono
1 hour ago
>Protein is composed of 20 different amino acids. Protein ingested as food is broken down into amino acids inside the body. These amino acids are then synthesized back into protein, producing elements such as muscles, internal organs, blood, skin, and hair. There are eight amino acids that the human body cannot produce, and these are termed essential amino acids. Whale meat is excellent in the quantity and balance of essential amino acids that determine the nutritional value of proteins, and in this respect it is as good as, if not better than, other animal meats.
– Kentaro Tomono
58 mins ago
Whale meat is red, which indicates there is a large quantity of myoglobin contained in its muscle fibers. Myoglobin, like the blood pigment hemoglobin, is a combination of a chemical component heme, which contains iron, and globin, a >simple protein. Iron plays an important role in carrying oxygen to the body tissues and organs. In so far as iron deficiency can cause anemia, it is necessary to ingest sufficient iron through food intake. Whale meat is thus an excellent source of iron.
– Kentaro Tomono
56 mins ago
@KentaroTomono I said that it didn't apply to whale at the start of that paragraph, it was a response to the false equivalency of all meat products being the same.
– Teleka
56 mins ago
So I think rather eating whale is good for our bodies than eating fat saturated burgers or pork steaks etc, wound't you think? Wouldn't you like to solve the now prevalent problem, that is, most Americans are not slim enough?
– Kentaro Tomono
54 mins ago
add a comment |
>The consumption of certain animals are more dangerous when it comes to public health, generally this applies to animals more closely related to the predator, which is why you see things like Ebola breakouts in Africa, where people are still in contact with various large primates (and occasionally eats them). Are you sure that eating whales is damaging to our human being's health? Please look at this site [ luna.pos.to/whale/jwa_v8_suzu.html ], it says,
– Kentaro Tomono
1 hour ago
>Protein is composed of 20 different amino acids. Protein ingested as food is broken down into amino acids inside the body. These amino acids are then synthesized back into protein, producing elements such as muscles, internal organs, blood, skin, and hair. There are eight amino acids that the human body cannot produce, and these are termed essential amino acids. Whale meat is excellent in the quantity and balance of essential amino acids that determine the nutritional value of proteins, and in this respect it is as good as, if not better than, other animal meats.
– Kentaro Tomono
58 mins ago
Whale meat is red, which indicates there is a large quantity of myoglobin contained in its muscle fibers. Myoglobin, like the blood pigment hemoglobin, is a combination of a chemical component heme, which contains iron, and globin, a >simple protein. Iron plays an important role in carrying oxygen to the body tissues and organs. In so far as iron deficiency can cause anemia, it is necessary to ingest sufficient iron through food intake. Whale meat is thus an excellent source of iron.
– Kentaro Tomono
56 mins ago
@KentaroTomono I said that it didn't apply to whale at the start of that paragraph, it was a response to the false equivalency of all meat products being the same.
– Teleka
56 mins ago
So I think rather eating whale is good for our bodies than eating fat saturated burgers or pork steaks etc, wound't you think? Wouldn't you like to solve the now prevalent problem, that is, most Americans are not slim enough?
– Kentaro Tomono
54 mins ago
>The consumption of certain animals are more dangerous when it comes to public health, generally this applies to animals more closely related to the predator, which is why you see things like Ebola breakouts in Africa, where people are still in contact with various large primates (and occasionally eats them). Are you sure that eating whales is damaging to our human being's health? Please look at this site [ luna.pos.to/whale/jwa_v8_suzu.html ], it says,
– Kentaro Tomono
1 hour ago
>The consumption of certain animals are more dangerous when it comes to public health, generally this applies to animals more closely related to the predator, which is why you see things like Ebola breakouts in Africa, where people are still in contact with various large primates (and occasionally eats them). Are you sure that eating whales is damaging to our human being's health? Please look at this site [ luna.pos.to/whale/jwa_v8_suzu.html ], it says,
– Kentaro Tomono
1 hour ago
>Protein is composed of 20 different amino acids. Protein ingested as food is broken down into amino acids inside the body. These amino acids are then synthesized back into protein, producing elements such as muscles, internal organs, blood, skin, and hair. There are eight amino acids that the human body cannot produce, and these are termed essential amino acids. Whale meat is excellent in the quantity and balance of essential amino acids that determine the nutritional value of proteins, and in this respect it is as good as, if not better than, other animal meats.
– Kentaro Tomono
58 mins ago
>Protein is composed of 20 different amino acids. Protein ingested as food is broken down into amino acids inside the body. These amino acids are then synthesized back into protein, producing elements such as muscles, internal organs, blood, skin, and hair. There are eight amino acids that the human body cannot produce, and these are termed essential amino acids. Whale meat is excellent in the quantity and balance of essential amino acids that determine the nutritional value of proteins, and in this respect it is as good as, if not better than, other animal meats.
– Kentaro Tomono
58 mins ago
Whale meat is red, which indicates there is a large quantity of myoglobin contained in its muscle fibers. Myoglobin, like the blood pigment hemoglobin, is a combination of a chemical component heme, which contains iron, and globin, a >simple protein. Iron plays an important role in carrying oxygen to the body tissues and organs. In so far as iron deficiency can cause anemia, it is necessary to ingest sufficient iron through food intake. Whale meat is thus an excellent source of iron.
– Kentaro Tomono
56 mins ago
Whale meat is red, which indicates there is a large quantity of myoglobin contained in its muscle fibers. Myoglobin, like the blood pigment hemoglobin, is a combination of a chemical component heme, which contains iron, and globin, a >simple protein. Iron plays an important role in carrying oxygen to the body tissues and organs. In so far as iron deficiency can cause anemia, it is necessary to ingest sufficient iron through food intake. Whale meat is thus an excellent source of iron.
– Kentaro Tomono
56 mins ago
@KentaroTomono I said that it didn't apply to whale at the start of that paragraph, it was a response to the false equivalency of all meat products being the same.
– Teleka
56 mins ago
@KentaroTomono I said that it didn't apply to whale at the start of that paragraph, it was a response to the false equivalency of all meat products being the same.
– Teleka
56 mins ago
So I think rather eating whale is good for our bodies than eating fat saturated burgers or pork steaks etc, wound't you think? Wouldn't you like to solve the now prevalent problem, that is, most Americans are not slim enough?
– Kentaro Tomono
54 mins ago
So I think rather eating whale is good for our bodies than eating fat saturated burgers or pork steaks etc, wound't you think? Wouldn't you like to solve the now prevalent problem, that is, most Americans are not slim enough?
– Kentaro Tomono
54 mins ago
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I edited this question pretty hard to keep it from being closed as not-objective. Kentaro, please feel free to edit if I distorted your original meaning.
– lazarusL
8 hours ago
@lazarusL Nah, it's OK. or rather thank you. :) Mt style would've been bad as native speakers read mine. :).
– Kentaro Tomono
8 hours ago
What incenses me is, while Koreans eat dogs, oh yeah, the long time friends to every people almost everywhere, but they are not in that "category". Why do we become the target on the distractor of the Nature??
– Kentaro Tomono
8 hours ago
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@JamesK considering the amount of political capital spent on urging Japan to stop whaling, it seems a political question to me.
– Jontia
6 hours ago
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@JamesK So, for example, Norway is the second largest country that catches ( I am sorry I have not investigated so much ) next to Japan. They catch and "kill" 594 species every year which is the half of the number of Japan. Why does the peace boat always attack japan?
– Kentaro Tomono
5 hours ago