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I have only watched the movies and I am currently reading The Fellowship of the Ring (haven't finished it yet, I am at the Bridge in Khazad-Dum).
A number of times we see characters such as Gandalf, Aragorn or Glorfindel describe how lethal a foe the Nine are. I also read that the Nine ride horses taken in tribute from lands such as Rohan and they only bother with the black cloaks to give some form to their nothingness when they go out in the world of the living.
But the moment Frodo crossed the Ford at Bruinen (and the subsequent flooding of the river), we see the same characters talking about how the Nine will not bother them for some time because apparently they have lost their horses. It seems bizarre to me that such terrible an enemy be dismayed by mere loss of mounts. I understand that the Nine cannot see in the light (but their horses can) yet that doesn't seem to really hamper them as they utilise other senses to track their target.
So why do the people assembled at Rivendell seem to think that just because the Nine have lost their mounts, the threat is somehow temporarily over? They know the flood couldn't have killed or hurt the Nazgul. They know that they have no physical form to begin with that might have been hurt in the flooding. So what gives?
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I have only watched the movies and I am currently reading The Fellowship of the Ring (haven't finished it yet, I am at the Bridge in Khazad-Dum).
A number of times we see characters such as Gandalf, Aragorn or Glorfindel describe how lethal a foe the Nine are. I also read that the Nine ride horses taken in tribute from lands such as Rohan and they only bother with the black cloaks to give some form to their nothingness when they go out in the world of the living.
But the moment Frodo crossed the Ford at Bruinen (and the subsequent flooding of the river), we see the same characters talking about how the Nine will not bother them for some time because apparently they have lost their horses. It seems bizarre to me that such terrible an enemy be dismayed by mere loss of mounts. I understand that the Nine cannot see in the light (but their horses can) yet that doesn't seem to really hamper them as they utilise other senses to track their target.
So why do the people assembled at Rivendell seem to think that just because the Nine have lost their mounts, the threat is somehow temporarily over? They know the flood couldn't have killed or hurt the Nazgul. They know that they have no physical form to begin with that might have been hurt in the flooding. So what gives?
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When the Nazgul are defeated, their spirits return to Barad Dur where they must recover for some time, a month or so. I believe this is what "unhorsed" refers to.
– Amarth
10 hours ago
Another point of view (inconsistent): recent videogame shadow of war show ringwraiths teleporting like crazy.
– nicolallias
9 hours ago
@Amarth Is it ju'st their spirit that teleports in that manner? Or their very selves? Do they just sort of "die" (For want of a better word) whenever they fail a task given by the Darklord?
– Aegon
7 hours ago
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I have only watched the movies and I am currently reading The Fellowship of the Ring (haven't finished it yet, I am at the Bridge in Khazad-Dum).
A number of times we see characters such as Gandalf, Aragorn or Glorfindel describe how lethal a foe the Nine are. I also read that the Nine ride horses taken in tribute from lands such as Rohan and they only bother with the black cloaks to give some form to their nothingness when they go out in the world of the living.
But the moment Frodo crossed the Ford at Bruinen (and the subsequent flooding of the river), we see the same characters talking about how the Nine will not bother them for some time because apparently they have lost their horses. It seems bizarre to me that such terrible an enemy be dismayed by mere loss of mounts. I understand that the Nine cannot see in the light (but their horses can) yet that doesn't seem to really hamper them as they utilise other senses to track their target.
So why do the people assembled at Rivendell seem to think that just because the Nine have lost their mounts, the threat is somehow temporarily over? They know the flood couldn't have killed or hurt the Nazgul. They know that they have no physical form to begin with that might have been hurt in the flooding. So what gives?
tolkiens-legendarium the-lord-of-the-rings
I have only watched the movies and I am currently reading The Fellowship of the Ring (haven't finished it yet, I am at the Bridge in Khazad-Dum).
A number of times we see characters such as Gandalf, Aragorn or Glorfindel describe how lethal a foe the Nine are. I also read that the Nine ride horses taken in tribute from lands such as Rohan and they only bother with the black cloaks to give some form to their nothingness when they go out in the world of the living.
But the moment Frodo crossed the Ford at Bruinen (and the subsequent flooding of the river), we see the same characters talking about how the Nine will not bother them for some time because apparently they have lost their horses. It seems bizarre to me that such terrible an enemy be dismayed by mere loss of mounts. I understand that the Nine cannot see in the light (but their horses can) yet that doesn't seem to really hamper them as they utilise other senses to track their target.
So why do the people assembled at Rivendell seem to think that just because the Nine have lost their mounts, the threat is somehow temporarily over? They know the flood couldn't have killed or hurt the Nazgul. They know that they have no physical form to begin with that might have been hurt in the flooding. So what gives?
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When the Nazgul are defeated, their spirits return to Barad Dur where they must recover for some time, a month or so. I believe this is what "unhorsed" refers to.
– Amarth
10 hours ago
Another point of view (inconsistent): recent videogame shadow of war show ringwraiths teleporting like crazy.
– nicolallias
9 hours ago
@Amarth Is it ju'st their spirit that teleports in that manner? Or their very selves? Do they just sort of "die" (For want of a better word) whenever they fail a task given by the Darklord?
– Aegon
7 hours ago
add a comment |
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When the Nazgul are defeated, their spirits return to Barad Dur where they must recover for some time, a month or so. I believe this is what "unhorsed" refers to.
– Amarth
10 hours ago
Another point of view (inconsistent): recent videogame shadow of war show ringwraiths teleporting like crazy.
– nicolallias
9 hours ago
@Amarth Is it ju'st their spirit that teleports in that manner? Or their very selves? Do they just sort of "die" (For want of a better word) whenever they fail a task given by the Darklord?
– Aegon
7 hours ago
1
1
When the Nazgul are defeated, their spirits return to Barad Dur where they must recover for some time, a month or so. I believe this is what "unhorsed" refers to.
– Amarth
10 hours ago
When the Nazgul are defeated, their spirits return to Barad Dur where they must recover for some time, a month or so. I believe this is what "unhorsed" refers to.
– Amarth
10 hours ago
Another point of view (inconsistent): recent videogame shadow of war show ringwraiths teleporting like crazy.
– nicolallias
9 hours ago
Another point of view (inconsistent): recent videogame shadow of war show ringwraiths teleporting like crazy.
– nicolallias
9 hours ago
@Amarth Is it ju'st their spirit that teleports in that manner? Or their very selves? Do they just sort of "die" (For want of a better word) whenever they fail a task given by the Darklord?
– Aegon
7 hours ago
@Amarth Is it ju'st their spirit that teleports in that manner? Or their very selves? Do they just sort of "die" (For want of a better word) whenever they fail a task given by the Darklord?
– Aegon
7 hours ago
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The Ringwraiths couldn't fly on their own or teleport. To get from point A (near Rivendell) to point B (Mordor) they had to travel every foot in between. In LotR, they walk, ride horseback and fly. With their horses gone, their only option was to get new transport or walk back to Mordor -- a very long way!
'You cannot destroy Ringwraiths like that,' said Gandalf. 'The power of their master is in them, and they stand or fall by him. We hope that they were all unhorsed and unmasked, and so made for a while less dangerous;
But getting horses would not be easy. To start with, they're in a wilderness with no towns, farmers or herders. But secondly, animals do not react well to the presence of the ringwraiths and it's not clear that a stolen horse would carry them without extensive training.
'Because they are real horses; just as the black robes are real robes that they wear to give shape to their nothingness when they have dealings with the living.’
‘Then why do these black horses endure such riders? All other animals are terrified when they draw near, even the elf-horse of Glorfindel..."
‘Because these horses are born and bred to the service of the Dark Lord in Mordor. Not all his servants and chattels are wraiths!'
So they were for a time out of the game -- much to the benefit of the Fellowship!
Note also that the Nine could not attack the Fellowship in Rivendell -- Elrond and elven lords like Glorfindel were far too powerful. Nor, even if they knew that the Fellowship would eventually set off, could they lurk around Rivendell waiting, since Elrond sent out scouts and the Nazgul clould not hope to withstand a mounted posse including Gandalf, Elrond, Glorfindel and Aragorn.
But most of all, they had no reason to. Neither Sauron nor (as far as we are told) any of his minions guessed that they would seek to destroy the Ring. The "logical" decision would be to hunker down in Rivendell -- the strongest, best-defended point left in Middle-Earth -- and guard the Ring. Sauron needed that news more than anything.
1
Another answer with a few more details: scifi.stackexchange.com/a/11742/101407
– DavidW
10 hours ago
@DavidW Thanks -- I knew that quote was in LotR, but I couldn't find it.
– Mark Olson
10 hours ago
Thanks, that makes sense. I'll accept it in the morning in order to give it more visibility (If a better answer doesn't come, though I don't know how will they top that)
– Aegon
7 hours ago
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The Ringwraiths couldn't fly on their own or teleport. To get from point A (near Rivendell) to point B (Mordor) they had to travel every foot in between. In LotR, they walk, ride horseback and fly. With their horses gone, their only option was to get new transport or walk back to Mordor -- a very long way!
'You cannot destroy Ringwraiths like that,' said Gandalf. 'The power of their master is in them, and they stand or fall by him. We hope that they were all unhorsed and unmasked, and so made for a while less dangerous;
But getting horses would not be easy. To start with, they're in a wilderness with no towns, farmers or herders. But secondly, animals do not react well to the presence of the ringwraiths and it's not clear that a stolen horse would carry them without extensive training.
'Because they are real horses; just as the black robes are real robes that they wear to give shape to their nothingness when they have dealings with the living.’
‘Then why do these black horses endure such riders? All other animals are terrified when they draw near, even the elf-horse of Glorfindel..."
‘Because these horses are born and bred to the service of the Dark Lord in Mordor. Not all his servants and chattels are wraiths!'
So they were for a time out of the game -- much to the benefit of the Fellowship!
Note also that the Nine could not attack the Fellowship in Rivendell -- Elrond and elven lords like Glorfindel were far too powerful. Nor, even if they knew that the Fellowship would eventually set off, could they lurk around Rivendell waiting, since Elrond sent out scouts and the Nazgul clould not hope to withstand a mounted posse including Gandalf, Elrond, Glorfindel and Aragorn.
But most of all, they had no reason to. Neither Sauron nor (as far as we are told) any of his minions guessed that they would seek to destroy the Ring. The "logical" decision would be to hunker down in Rivendell -- the strongest, best-defended point left in Middle-Earth -- and guard the Ring. Sauron needed that news more than anything.
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Another answer with a few more details: scifi.stackexchange.com/a/11742/101407
– DavidW
10 hours ago
@DavidW Thanks -- I knew that quote was in LotR, but I couldn't find it.
– Mark Olson
10 hours ago
Thanks, that makes sense. I'll accept it in the morning in order to give it more visibility (If a better answer doesn't come, though I don't know how will they top that)
– Aegon
7 hours ago
add a comment |
The Ringwraiths couldn't fly on their own or teleport. To get from point A (near Rivendell) to point B (Mordor) they had to travel every foot in between. In LotR, they walk, ride horseback and fly. With their horses gone, their only option was to get new transport or walk back to Mordor -- a very long way!
'You cannot destroy Ringwraiths like that,' said Gandalf. 'The power of their master is in them, and they stand or fall by him. We hope that they were all unhorsed and unmasked, and so made for a while less dangerous;
But getting horses would not be easy. To start with, they're in a wilderness with no towns, farmers or herders. But secondly, animals do not react well to the presence of the ringwraiths and it's not clear that a stolen horse would carry them without extensive training.
'Because they are real horses; just as the black robes are real robes that they wear to give shape to their nothingness when they have dealings with the living.’
‘Then why do these black horses endure such riders? All other animals are terrified when they draw near, even the elf-horse of Glorfindel..."
‘Because these horses are born and bred to the service of the Dark Lord in Mordor. Not all his servants and chattels are wraiths!'
So they were for a time out of the game -- much to the benefit of the Fellowship!
Note also that the Nine could not attack the Fellowship in Rivendell -- Elrond and elven lords like Glorfindel were far too powerful. Nor, even if they knew that the Fellowship would eventually set off, could they lurk around Rivendell waiting, since Elrond sent out scouts and the Nazgul clould not hope to withstand a mounted posse including Gandalf, Elrond, Glorfindel and Aragorn.
But most of all, they had no reason to. Neither Sauron nor (as far as we are told) any of his minions guessed that they would seek to destroy the Ring. The "logical" decision would be to hunker down in Rivendell -- the strongest, best-defended point left in Middle-Earth -- and guard the Ring. Sauron needed that news more than anything.
1
Another answer with a few more details: scifi.stackexchange.com/a/11742/101407
– DavidW
10 hours ago
@DavidW Thanks -- I knew that quote was in LotR, but I couldn't find it.
– Mark Olson
10 hours ago
Thanks, that makes sense. I'll accept it in the morning in order to give it more visibility (If a better answer doesn't come, though I don't know how will they top that)
– Aegon
7 hours ago
add a comment |
The Ringwraiths couldn't fly on their own or teleport. To get from point A (near Rivendell) to point B (Mordor) they had to travel every foot in between. In LotR, they walk, ride horseback and fly. With their horses gone, their only option was to get new transport or walk back to Mordor -- a very long way!
'You cannot destroy Ringwraiths like that,' said Gandalf. 'The power of their master is in them, and they stand or fall by him. We hope that they were all unhorsed and unmasked, and so made for a while less dangerous;
But getting horses would not be easy. To start with, they're in a wilderness with no towns, farmers or herders. But secondly, animals do not react well to the presence of the ringwraiths and it's not clear that a stolen horse would carry them without extensive training.
'Because they are real horses; just as the black robes are real robes that they wear to give shape to their nothingness when they have dealings with the living.’
‘Then why do these black horses endure such riders? All other animals are terrified when they draw near, even the elf-horse of Glorfindel..."
‘Because these horses are born and bred to the service of the Dark Lord in Mordor. Not all his servants and chattels are wraiths!'
So they were for a time out of the game -- much to the benefit of the Fellowship!
Note also that the Nine could not attack the Fellowship in Rivendell -- Elrond and elven lords like Glorfindel were far too powerful. Nor, even if they knew that the Fellowship would eventually set off, could they lurk around Rivendell waiting, since Elrond sent out scouts and the Nazgul clould not hope to withstand a mounted posse including Gandalf, Elrond, Glorfindel and Aragorn.
But most of all, they had no reason to. Neither Sauron nor (as far as we are told) any of his minions guessed that they would seek to destroy the Ring. The "logical" decision would be to hunker down in Rivendell -- the strongest, best-defended point left in Middle-Earth -- and guard the Ring. Sauron needed that news more than anything.
The Ringwraiths couldn't fly on their own or teleport. To get from point A (near Rivendell) to point B (Mordor) they had to travel every foot in between. In LotR, they walk, ride horseback and fly. With their horses gone, their only option was to get new transport or walk back to Mordor -- a very long way!
'You cannot destroy Ringwraiths like that,' said Gandalf. 'The power of their master is in them, and they stand or fall by him. We hope that they were all unhorsed and unmasked, and so made for a while less dangerous;
But getting horses would not be easy. To start with, they're in a wilderness with no towns, farmers or herders. But secondly, animals do not react well to the presence of the ringwraiths and it's not clear that a stolen horse would carry them without extensive training.
'Because they are real horses; just as the black robes are real robes that they wear to give shape to their nothingness when they have dealings with the living.’
‘Then why do these black horses endure such riders? All other animals are terrified when they draw near, even the elf-horse of Glorfindel..."
‘Because these horses are born and bred to the service of the Dark Lord in Mordor. Not all his servants and chattels are wraiths!'
So they were for a time out of the game -- much to the benefit of the Fellowship!
Note also that the Nine could not attack the Fellowship in Rivendell -- Elrond and elven lords like Glorfindel were far too powerful. Nor, even if they knew that the Fellowship would eventually set off, could they lurk around Rivendell waiting, since Elrond sent out scouts and the Nazgul clould not hope to withstand a mounted posse including Gandalf, Elrond, Glorfindel and Aragorn.
But most of all, they had no reason to. Neither Sauron nor (as far as we are told) any of his minions guessed that they would seek to destroy the Ring. The "logical" decision would be to hunker down in Rivendell -- the strongest, best-defended point left in Middle-Earth -- and guard the Ring. Sauron needed that news more than anything.
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Another answer with a few more details: scifi.stackexchange.com/a/11742/101407
– DavidW
10 hours ago
@DavidW Thanks -- I knew that quote was in LotR, but I couldn't find it.
– Mark Olson
10 hours ago
Thanks, that makes sense. I'll accept it in the morning in order to give it more visibility (If a better answer doesn't come, though I don't know how will they top that)
– Aegon
7 hours ago
add a comment |
1
Another answer with a few more details: scifi.stackexchange.com/a/11742/101407
– DavidW
10 hours ago
@DavidW Thanks -- I knew that quote was in LotR, but I couldn't find it.
– Mark Olson
10 hours ago
Thanks, that makes sense. I'll accept it in the morning in order to give it more visibility (If a better answer doesn't come, though I don't know how will they top that)
– Aegon
7 hours ago
1
1
Another answer with a few more details: scifi.stackexchange.com/a/11742/101407
– DavidW
10 hours ago
Another answer with a few more details: scifi.stackexchange.com/a/11742/101407
– DavidW
10 hours ago
@DavidW Thanks -- I knew that quote was in LotR, but I couldn't find it.
– Mark Olson
10 hours ago
@DavidW Thanks -- I knew that quote was in LotR, but I couldn't find it.
– Mark Olson
10 hours ago
Thanks, that makes sense. I'll accept it in the morning in order to give it more visibility (If a better answer doesn't come, though I don't know how will they top that)
– Aegon
7 hours ago
Thanks, that makes sense. I'll accept it in the morning in order to give it more visibility (If a better answer doesn't come, though I don't know how will they top that)
– Aegon
7 hours ago
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When the Nazgul are defeated, their spirits return to Barad Dur where they must recover for some time, a month or so. I believe this is what "unhorsed" refers to.
– Amarth
10 hours ago
Another point of view (inconsistent): recent videogame shadow of war show ringwraiths teleporting like crazy.
– nicolallias
9 hours ago
@Amarth Is it ju'st their spirit that teleports in that manner? Or their very selves? Do they just sort of "die" (For want of a better word) whenever they fail a task given by the Darklord?
– Aegon
7 hours ago